September 29, 2011

"The Obama Administration's hostility to oil and gas exploration is well known, but last week it took an especially fowl turn."

"The U.S. Attorney for North Dakota hauled seven oil and natural gas companies into federal court for killing 28 migratory birds that were found dead near oil waste lagoons. You may not be surprised to learn that the Administration isn't prosecuting wind companies for similar offenses."

But please take into account that they wind companies aren't killing the same number of birds. They're killing about 440,000 birds (a year). Only 15,714 times as many. What's the big deal? Have you no sense of proportion?

Isn't there some proposition — kind of like the "big lie" — that if you want to get away with something, doing it on a vast scale is a good strategy? There's some aphorism or famous quote that's just beyond my grasp, even using Google.

162 comments:

Bruce Hayden said...

And, you voted for these clowns.

Scott M said...

The Obama Administration's hostility to oil and gas exploration is well known, but last week it took an especially fowl turn.

That deserves a Mork from Ork ar-ar-ar.

Richard Dolan said...

It sounds like a version of the 'death of an individual is a tragegy, death of a million is a statistic' idea. That doesn't have the flavor of using the large number to disguise the activity (the 'wanting to get away with it' part of Ann's query), but it offers instead the substitute that, when something happens on such a vast scale, people stop noticing it.

JohnJ said...

Good, Lord, you're not thinking of Joseph Goebbels, are you?

traditionalguy said...

Never steal anything small, said Barry the clepto to himself as he stole our cheap and harmless carbon based energy supplies by telling the Biggest Lie Ever Told.

Which is another reason Chris Christie is also a failed politician.

chickenlittle said...

Sounds like something else to Chu on.

BJM said...

Wind farms kill mainly raptors, most of whom are listed as endangered species.

The Altamont Pass wind farm has long been a contentious project with local preservationists and residents.

bagoh20 said...

After reading the short translation from Mein Kampf at Wiki, I have to say this Hitler guy is a pretty astute writer. Does he have a newsletter or blog. I'd swear I saw him comment here more than once.

Thorley Winston said...

"The U.S. Attorney for North Dakota hauled seven oil and natural gas companies into federal court for killing 28 migratory birds that were found dead near oil waste lagoons. You may not be surprised to learn that the Administration isn't prosecuting wind companies for similar offenses."


I think the difference between the two isn’t just the number of migratory birds but that an oil waste lagoon could be a source of human health and environmental problems – particularly if it leads to contaminating the water table – while the blades on the wind mill aren’t.

Coketown said...

Sounds like the WSJ is in the pocket of Big Bird.

LOL!!!

bagoh20 said...

The lagoon can be cleaned up, but the blades won't stop killing until the killing is done.

Thorely, the question about proportion is worth considering.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
The U.S. Attorney for North Dakota hauled seven oil and natural gas companies into federal court for killing 28 migratory birds that were found dead near oil waste lagoons. You may not be surprised to learn that the Administration isn't prosecuting wind companies for similar offenses
Then wouldn’t we be charging them with THAT, rather than dead birds?

traditionalguy said...

Birds are collateral damage. The USA is Obama's target.

The first act in a war is to strangle the enemy's energy supplies.

Obama is at war with the USA, and he slips in false science myths to make a 5th column attack to finish us.

But Brazil has a great new offshore oil field developed with US money to benefit Soros.

And Canada is to far away to get the oil here without using a Dirty Pipeline that will kill birds.

lemondog said...

Oil and gas must be lax in their donations. This should get their attention.

If you’re going to do something wrong, do it big, because the punishment is the same either way.”

-Jayne Mansfield (via TCM)

"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."

Goebbels or Hitler or both or maybe some DC pol.

Shouting Thomas said...

The quote you're looking for, I believe, is courtesy of Josef Stalin, and goes something like this:

One death is a tragedy. One million is a statistic.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

This progressive regime isn't shy about picking its winners and losers.

That there lacks proportion in response to the wind technology killing birds is not really a surprise, is it?

Oil is evil, wind is good.

Hence our vast reserves of windy politicians and bloviating Bloombergs that have bestowed upon us their wisdom and grace.

Big Gov't = nanny state politics

MadisonMan said...

wind is good

Tonight will be very very good, then, on Lake Michigan.

Methadras said...

This is what your vote wrought, Ann. This is the way it is? You voted for an anti-energy clown, in effect, a luddite, that views oil as an evil substance. Considering the fact that you also voted for an economic simpleton who hasn't the first idea of the origination of the economy in this country if not the world starts with the letter O and comes from the ground. Oil and Ore. You cannot do anything in this world without either in this economy. He wishes to see them both remain buried. Thank Ann.

Fred4Pres said...

The Obama Administration is utterly and completely in the bag for wind power since their cronies get the subsidies for it.

And because the oil companies are perceived as "republican" they get the shaft.

Chicago politics. If the country suffers, tough shit.

Matt said...

Agreed, this is bird-brained on the part of the DOJ and Obama Admin. Although I would like to hear their explanation. Also wouldn't mind reading the entire article but don't have WSJ subscription.

DADvocate said...

Wind farms are another false hope of Obama and the green movement.

garage mahal said...

What the hell is a oil waste lagoon?

Ann Althouse said...

"It sounds like a version of the 'death of an individual is a tragegy, death of a million is a statistic' idea."

The death of 28 birds is a tragedy. The death of 440,000 birds is a statistic.

But that quote I know. I was looking for something like... I remember maybe Donald Trump saying something like: if you want to get away with borrowing money that you can't pay back, borrow a billion dollars. Or if you want to get away with cheating on your taxes, don't cheat for $100. Those are the people who get caught. Cheat for a million dollars... etc. etc. Something like that.

Fred4Pres said...

Those sand hill cranes you love so much are going to die. Everyone voting for Obama is killing living birds.

Even BP was an oil company that an Obama supporter. So you are killing sea turtles and birds.

You bastards.

Shouting Thomas said...

To what extent is Obama's war against fossil fuels responsible for our dead in the water economy?

This guy is shooting himself in the foot, too.

Sorry I said that. RAACIST!

Don't Tread 2012 said...

"What the hell is a oil waste lagoon?"

Not unlike the repository of socialist successes, replete with misery and failure in the name of power and control.

DADvocate said...

I think the difference between the two isn’t just the number of migratory birds but that an oil waste lagoon could be a source of human health and environmental problems – particularly if it leads to contaminating the water table – while the blades on the wind mill aren’t.

Then the charges and actions would be different. It would be regarding EPA regulations, ground water protection, not BIRDS.

You're either a simpleton or a tool.

ic said...

if you want to get away with something, doing it on a vast scale...

if you want to get something on a vast scale (at least a half bil vast), contribute to O's re-run.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Say's Phoebe. It's what's for dinner.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
You're either a simpleton or a tool
False Dichotomy…look at “J” he’s both, they are not mutually exclusive categories.

garage mahal said...

The death of 28 birds is a tragedy. The death of 440,000 birds is a statistic

I couldn't get through the WSJ firewall. Where do they come up with the 440,000 figure I wonder?

Lyle said...

Prosecutorial discretion is awesome!

Shouting Thomas said...

Also to be considered is the phenomenon called Lysenkoism.

The Obama administration, in its divine majesty, has decreed that wind and solar shall be our salvation.

Thus shall the rise of the oceans be halted.

drew said...

The phrase you're looking for might be the one about the bank:

If you owe the bank a thousand dollars, you're in trouble; if you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank is in trouble.

Lance said...

I've heard the phrase "If you owe the bank thousands, the bank owns you; if you owe the bank millions, you own the bank." That's the closest I can think of.

rhhardin said...

Oil used to be dinosaurs, which were just really heavy birds.

JohnJ said...

Joseph Goebbels often is "credited" with saying something like "The bigger the lie, the more likely it will be believed," but I understand this is a sloppy paraphrase of a more substantive, and likely more sinister, point.

Calypso Facto said...

While certainly still less than in oil and gas production, there are significant and growing risks to humans from wind turbines too:

Summary of Wind Turbine Incidents (December 2008):
• 41 Worker Fatalities, 16 Public- Includes falling from turbine towers.
• 39 Incidents of Blade Failure- Failed blades have been known to travel over a quarter mile, killing any unfortunate bystanders within its path of destruction.
• 110 Incidents of Fire- When a wind turbine fire occurs, local fire departments can do little but watch due to the 30-story height of these turbine units. The falling debris are then carried across the distance and cause new fires.
• 60 Incidents of Structural Failure- As turbines become more prevalent, these breakages will become more common in public areas, thereby causing more deaths and dismemberment’s from falling debris.
• 24 incidents of "hurling ice”- Ice forms on these giant blades and is reportedly hurled at deathly speeds in all directions. Author reports that some 880 ice incidents of this nature have occurred over Germany’s 13-years of harnessing wind power.
Source: Treehugger

It would be interesting to see the comparison to other fuel types on an injury per kW basis. But with oil and gas going to so many uses, even that wouldn't be fair.

wv: redowf. Wow, that brought back a long-lost memory of the Red Wolf comic book series of the 70s. Anybody else remember that? Used to love it as a kid! Probably banned from the marketplace by the PC police these days.

Alex said...

Now garage is stating that the 440K dead birds via wind farms is THE BIG LIE.

KLDAVIS said...

Go big or go home.

J said...

There has been some efforts to hold the wind-energy companies liable for the raptors' deaths,as at Altamont. Maybe the DoJ will follow suit--but the suggestion that somehow all demos are implicated--typical Althouse bullshit, as is the idea that all wind-energy is run by lib-ralls. PGE is not a progressive organization.

Ann Althouse said...

"What the hell is a oil waste lagoon?"

It sounds awful, so let's be against it!

Hoosier Daddy said...

If wed just go back to living in adobe huts and caves, we wouldn't have these problems and all the widdle animals would live happily ever after.

Scott M said...

but the suggestion that somehow all demos are implicated--typical Althouse bullshit, as is the idea that all wind-energy is run by lib-ralls. PGE is not a progressive organization.

Is that like all wicca being trash or all klan members being zionists? How about...utjudicialrewiccasatan...well, frankly you've got me stumped on that one, but you DID delete the posting afterward so even YOU must have had a moment with enough clarity to realize you'd dozed off while typing.

Come on. Call me squat and a meth tweaker, or some version of morman statanist.

J said...

Small Pathetic jew aka Joejo--yr the dimwit here- .Like not knowing the E of the military pay scale = Enlisted. Dumbass all the way. Many other examples can be provided (e.g. unaware that the Fed. govt mandated pollution policies,etc, and thinking it was due to competition. hah) . But yr not only a dimwit--but a corrupt, venal dimwit like most in...your temple.

gerry said...

garage, go to the original article using the hyperlink in the Professor's post. Copy the article's title to the clipboard. Then go to Google. Past the title into the Google search field.

Google retrieves the entire article. This has something to do with some agreement between WSJ and Google.

Michael said...

Garage. One of the problems with wind turbines is they whack a lot of birds. Birds of prey in particular. This is not new to those who either love birds or love wind power and keep up with the controversy which has gone on for decades. Wind turbines kill lots and lota of birds which is very inconvenient for environmentalists who are confounded that their sacred beliefs are often very detrimental to other living creatures. Windmills also ofend Kennedys whose views across the bay are marred by their presence. But the wind good movement trumps the birds good movement. And all forms of energy are better than oil which is trumped by everything but coal.

Shanna said...

Shocking!

TMink said...

Straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

Trey

Hoosier Daddy said...

".. Come on. Call me squat and a meth tweaker, or some version of morman statanist..."

Just don't call him Shirley.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)

.

Come on Scott, The Small Pathetic Voice was very rational and cogent, by his/her usual standards, let’s don’t cause it to wander into incoherence, prematurely. It’ll get there soon enough…BTW, “utjudicialrewiccasatan”, really?

Fred4Pres said...

Don't forget the bats. Those windmills kill lots of bats.

TCB-n-a-Flash said...

If i loan you $10,000 and you can't pay it back, you're in trouble; if I loan you $10 Billion and you can't pay it back, I'm in trouble.

Scott M said...

Like not knowing the E of the military pay scale = Enlisted

Ah, but that's not what you said originally, dumbass, and you didn't have the sense to realize it. You said ALL federal employees.

Pathetic benchpressor.

J said...

Scotty trash--it's quite beyond that okie--doke . it's another issue you don't know shit about--but suck off the oil companies-.Standard GOP-TP procedure

Stick to yr masonic handshakes with yr boyfriends here, chandala .

Lyle said...

I can't wait to vote this cat out of office.

McDonald Family said...

In the children's book 'Matilda,' by Roald Dahl the big lie comes into play. One of the kids says that parent's won't believe that the principal (i.e. Ms. Truchbull) is throwing children like she used to throw hammers in the Olympics. The reason given is that if you are going to do something bad, you do something so outrageous that nobody will believe it is true.

Shouting Thomas said...

It's as if Woodstock had taken over the entire U.S. of A.! Whoopee!

Pragmatic reality be damned! Idealism is everything!

I'd rather starve and live in a hovel than get my hands dirty!

Anne Stanley Durham has finally taken revenge against us all! Henceforth, we all all learn Indonesian native blacksmithing techniques and quit relying on industrial steel.

Scott M said...

It’ll get there soon enough…BTW, “utjudicialrewiccasatan”, really?

Yes. The actual line was "Yr just irrational, whitetrash garbage RJ, like yr TP heroes. utjudicialrewiccasatan"

But he deleted it. He deletes quite a few of his posts actually, which I don't get because it's something someone trying to make a coherent, properly spelled post might do.

TCB-n-a-Flash said...

Matt 7:3-5
7:3 Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? 7:4 Or how can you say to your neighbor, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while the log is in your own eye? 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye.

BJM said...

@Thorley Winston

particularly if it leads to contaminating the water table – while the blades on the wind mill aren’t.

True, but wind farms are more than turning blades. They require access roads, storage sheds, part boneyards and power transmission towers which are installed in pristine wilderness areas and watershed that anti-logging regs wouldn't allow in a nanosecond.

You can't have it one way for a given sector of energy production and another for so-called clean energy, which isn't so clean when you look at the collateral damage.

And the industry hasn't even begun to install solar plants in protected desert preserves such as the Mohave, which are much more fragile eco-systems.

We can't ride an ATV in the Mohave but it's peachy to cut roads and blast thru in trucks to cover hundreds of square of miles of desert with solar panels, collector towers,sheds, power transmission towers and junk. WTF?

Let me add, I am not a greenie or eco-wacko, but I do care about keeping open spaces for recreational use and to preserve some of the natural beauty around us, but most of this green BS pisses me off.

The greenies have stuffed prohibitions down our throats for 40 years until it suited their new agenda. It appears the only green these asshats care about is the color of money and the power it buys(no pun intended).

Carol_Herman said...

He who has the power, wields it.

There's no big surprises in the hostility some politians have towards oil and gas. They they're usually democraps? Surprise. Surprise.

I'd bet half of them are funded by the saud's to do this, too.

Want power?

Appeal to the most voters. Stop making arch enemies out of voters who think that if YOU had the power we'd be stepping backwards into Bork's fantasy land.

traditionalguy said...

Stopping energy extraction for a false reason to benefit solar and wind scams that cost more than they produce is insanity.

Or it is a way to launder campaign cash through friendly Dems.

High speed trains to bankruptcy make more sense.

Not that the MSM will ever tell us this truth. The Brits, Germans and Spanish have all woke up from their trance and stopped funding self destructive wind and solar scams.

Scott M said...

There's no such thing as an e-rating. It's a paygrade.

J said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Carol_Herman said...

You know, I think these complaints against obama are starting to sound like a lunatic's neighbor's car alarm.

Everybody's sleeping ... and these loud sirens go off.

Try to talk to this individual ... and all you'll get back are statistics about stolen cars!

That's why everything now is a political spitting contest.

Instead of the suggestions that would get heard ... because they'd affirm how you could run things better ... by showing BETTER examples.

Dead birds aren't gonna rouse the masses.

The people at the DOJ ... got there on their political wind power.

Not so easy to shift this stuff!

The court usage is about half the fun for politicians to manipulate after they get elected.

BUMMER.

chickenlittle said...

Couldn't we at least eat all those birds killed by wind turbines?

Grisly perhaps, but very resourceful and "green."

Sort of like eating road kill, I suppose.

Scott M said...

Define stalking.

and yll in for a treat yid satanist swine.

Why would you change that to

Keep stalking me scottfag
and yll in for a treat, swine.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Keep stalking me scottfag
and yll in for a treat, swine
.

I think he likes you, NTTATWWT.

Lincolntf said...

They're desperate these days. The tide of knowledge has turned fully against AGW and they've got to scramble. Lawsuits, Solyndra clones, off-limits designations, etc. all have to come in a rush before it's all over. Come 2013 we begin dismantling the anti-science edifice they've spent decades building.

Shouting Thomas said...

Althouse, I'm with you on opposing censoring comments.

But, this J bastard... he's got to go.

The lowlife fuck is now commonly issuing threats of violence mixed with psychotic anti-semitic ravings.

Can't you get rid of this idiot?

J said...

None of yr bidness , mormon swine .Who cares anyway. Yr the not the editor here, teaparty scum.

Now suck off the oil companies like a good republican buttboy

chickenlittle said...

If a really rare or endangered species were killed by a wind turbine, the meat could be auctioned to the highest bidder and proceeds donated to charity...win-win!

J said...

No, you got to go, Squat okietrash retard.

Im on topic. And yr not but mumbling about personal problems , like usual.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
and yll in for a treat yid satanist swine.

Why would you change that to

Keep stalking me scottfag
and yll in for a treat, swine
.

I think he confused, ME “the yid” with YOU, “scottfag”. I could be wrong, of course, trying to fathom the murky bog that passes for his/her “mind” is something I certainly can’t claim much success at.

J said...

No Lincoln, mormonswine--the most recent studies confirm AGW. Even ones funded by the Koch bros gang, dimwit

khematite@aol.com said...

"Steal a little, and they put you in jail. Steal a lot, and they make you king."

Bob Dylan, "Jokerman"

The Drill SGT said...

garage mahal said...
What the hell is a oil waste lagoon?


There are functionally two types of ponds associated with a oil well. Both are equipped with liners on top of a packed clay base, with berms and secondary spill control areas.

The first is found during drilling operations and is used to recycle back into the drilling process the "drill mud" the lubricant used in driling. As the well goes down, you pump mud into the wellhead, some of which comes out and is recycled.

The second type of containment holds oil products. this oil is typically filtered and sold aas lower grade material.

both ponds are normally restored after drilling is complete and the production head valve is in place.

DADvocate said...

False Dichotomy…look at “J” he’s both, they are not mutually exclusive categories.

You are so right. "J" obviously has a wealth of emotional issues.

garage mahal said...

Now garage is stating that the 440K dead birds via wind farms is THE BIG LIE.

I'm asking where the figure comes from. I'm looking at something that is drastically lower than 440,000. Considering the 440k figure is from a Murdoch paper, I'm disinclined to believe it.

DADvocate said...

Garage - here's a reference to "half a million" bird kills and getting worse in the Washington Post from 2 years ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/wind-farms-under-fire-for-bird-kills/2011/08/25/gIQAP0bVlJ_story.html

Lincolntf said...

Wrong J. It's all over. The bullshit game of pointing at microscopic fluctuations in tiny time frames as evidence has been utterly and thoroughly upended. The next SecEd's first order of business should be to remove every bit of the EarthFirst propaganda curricula from our schools and demand a return to actual earth sciences. Bring back Huck Finn, boot Al Gore.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Bring back Huck Finn, boot Al Gore
.

You know AlGore reminds me of some of Twain’s characters…the “Duke”…you remember the con-man?

DADvocate said...

BTW - the article also states: "Wind farms currently kill far fewer birds than the estimated 100 million that fly into glass buildings, or up to 500 million killed yearly by cats. Power lines kill an estimated 10 million, and nearly 11 million are hit by automobiles, according to studies."

Which brings back the question, why the big to do over 28 birds? Thugocracy, political harassment, crony capitalism, corruption, etc.

BJM said...

@Fred4Pres

Don't forget the bats. Those windmills kill lots of bats.

We got it dialed in CA. The wind farms killed bats which equaled fewer pollinators for West Valley fruit orchards. Then they turned off the water to 250,000 acres of prime farm land to protect another species.

Problem solved. No bats, no fruit trees, no income, no jobs, massive waves of home foreclosures...oops!

But hey! We got 1% of the daily power requirement in green wind energy to power those vacant houses and lots of tiny Delta Smelt.

Winning!

Primitive Thinker said...

Couldn't we just hire people to sit on top of the wind turbines where their job would be to shoo away the unsuspecting birds?

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
the article also states: "Wind farms currently kill far fewer birds than the estimated 100 million that fly into glass buildings, or up to 500 million killed yearly by cats. Power lines kill an estimated 10 million, and nearly 11 million are hit by automobiles, according to studies
.

This merely lays the foundations for assaulting power companies, automobile manufacturers, and the building industry…they alone kill 121 million birds…and home owners, the responsible parties for those vicious felines, we need some kind of legal remedy to bring them and their avian mass murderers to heel!

garage mahal said...

Thugocracy, political harassment, crony capitalism, corruption, etc.

Welcome to Wisconsin.

Alex said...

The problems with bats is guano, which is the same substance that comprises J's postings.

edutcher said...

I can't wait until Jarrett looks down Pennsylvania Avenue and sees nothing but pitchforks.

Ann Althouse said...

Isn't there some proposition — kind of like the "big lie" — that if you want to get away with something, doing it on a vast scale is a good strategy?

Actually, it's a whopper, one so ridiculous people refuse to believe anyone would make it up.

According to Der Fuhrer.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Welcome to Wisconsin
.

That’s OK, Scott Walker is trying to end the UNION Thug-o-cracy…OH wait, you didn’t mean it that way did you?

Shouting Thomas said...

Welcome to Wisconsin.

Things are improving since the kickback scheme between the union thugs and the Democratic Party was cut off, garbage.

I'm sure you're working hard to put the thugs back in control.

Paddy O said...

"It sounds awful, so let's be against it!"

I prefer to think of oil waste lagoons as a strength.

J said...

Yr the lowlife
Shouting-Tweekflunkie--and yr the problem as are the rest of regs at Dyslexichouse.


Now, to reiterate: suck off the oil and coal companies like good republican buttboys.

Heh heh.

Steve Koch said...

Adolf Hitler quotes - Thinkexist Quotations
thinkexist.com/quotation/make_the_lie_big...it.../175795.html

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”.

Took about 10 seconds on google. Methinks Althouse was not really trying.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Yr the lowlife
Shouting-Tweekflunkie--and yr the problem as are the rest of regs at Dyslexichouse
.

OH “J” never fails…I had to wipe my eyes…please don’t ban this person! *LMAO*

Rob Crawford said...

Thugocracy, political harassment, crony capitalism, corruption, etc.

Welcome to Wisconsin.


Thank goodness the Democrats were voted out and someone can clean that mess up.

traditionalguy said...

Garage... Remember, 440,000 is the number of innocent civilians Bush tortured and killed each year in Iraq.

That's why it sounds so familiar.

DADvocate said...

Welcome to Wisconsin.

Never been there, probably never will. I here they try to kill you with cheese. Mean, nasty folks.

J said...

See Joejoe likes to be beaten. Now teach that to yr white trash cronies, chandala.


The Wind-turbines are a success ,for the most part (tho still corporate). And reportedly pissing off some GOP pigs (a loss for the coal biz, for one).
Now ,oink along with yr TP-GOP oil-coal barons ,Atards.

Heh heh.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
The Wind-turbines are a success ,for the most part (tho still corporate
.

By “success” do you mean they generate electricity at a rate equal to or LESS than a comparable coal or natural gas fired kilowatt hour or by “success” do you mean Chinese companies sell these things to gullible Americans/Brit’s and Germans, and the owners suck up government-funded subsidies?

Dick's Birdhouses and Thoughts said...

I notice, as a new commenter, that one of the rules is,"...if your comment doesn't post, it's the spame filter." But, doesn't "J" define spam? Yet, he still gets his unintelligible comments published.

weh said...

FWIW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." Hitler believed the technique was used by Jews to unfairly blame Germany's loss in World War I on German Army officer Erich Ludendorff.

garage mahal said...

Never been there, probably never will. I here they try to kill you with cheese. Mean, nasty folks.

Nah, Wisconsinites are probably the nicest people you'll ever meet.

DADvocate said...

Yr the lowlife
Shouting-Tweekflunkie--and yr the problem as are the rest of regs at Dyslexichouse


From Mental Health Matters: Neologism

In schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders, the invention of new "words" which are meaningful to the patient but meaningless to everyone else. To form the neologisms, the patient fuses together and combines syllables or other elements from existing words


Please get some help. Community mental health centers abound. Fees are on a sliding scale based on ability to pay. Many religious organizations, colleges/universities, United Way agencies, etc have low cost or free counseling and other mental health services. Sometimes a little medication does wonders.

frank said...

I believerd Obama. Everyhing. Even that he would stop the oceans from rising. Then he blamed the poor economy on the tsunami in Japan.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Nah, Wisconsinites are probably the nicest people you'll ever meet
.

Except for the ones at the Capitol Building….they seem to be a little whacked and grouchy…

DADvocate said...

Nah, Wisconsinites are probably the nicest people you'll ever meet.

With the excepton of Madison, I'm sure.

BJM said...

Okay Garage, how about this link, credible enough or how about these Murdoch stooges.

Do the math, 9600 birds at one site alone, the Altamont Pass x 35 years = 336,000 killed, mostly federally protected raptors and migratory species as the Pass is in the Pacific Flyway.

Cedarford said...

Methadras said...
This is what your vote wrought, Ann. This is the way it is? You voted for an anti-energy clown, in effect, a luddite, that views oil as an evil substance.
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People forget how awful the alternative was. Besides stupider than Obama, and in agreement with 80% of what his dear Senate friend Obama was doing on Bailouts, trying to close GITMO...do not forget what side you beloved War Hero Who Suffered!! was on with energy.

1. A leader in the fight to close off ANWR.
2. Along with Dems, the architect of offshore drilling bans for East and West Coast. Changed his position to help get the 2008 nomination.
3. War Hero Johnny was also bought off on Gore's "carbon cap & trade" scheme. A strong supporter.
4. After the BP spill, Johnny was an enthusiastic backer of the Gulf Drilling Moratorium.
5. McCain in 2008 said he would work to reduce carbon emissions 60 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. He has said he would commit $2 billion annually for 15 years to advance clean coal technology. (He hates coal less than Obama, but coal companies are longtime donors to the Hero Senator)
6. McCain backed lavish solar and wind subsidies. Was part of the Solyndra bandwagon.
7. John McCain and Enron.

Methedras forgets McCain was as big an anti-energy clown as Obama turned out to be. And just as corrupted by fatcat donors wanting Johnny to help them get rich off Green Schemes. The difference would be that if McCain had been elected, the Republican Party would be dead as a force and McCain and Pelosi would still be trotting out their "bipartisan solutions"

E.M. Davis said...

'm looking at something that is drastically lower than 440,000.

But is it still higher than 28?

The Drill SGT said...

J said...
The Wind-turbines are a success ,for the most part (tho still corporate).


Wind, solar, and ethanol only exist because of rent seeking by statist corporate/political piglets.

1. subsidize production
2. mandate use
3. penalize alternatives
4. tax preferences

without direct government permanent intervention, none of these sources would ever be used.

all three effectively require the Goverment to redirect money from taxpayers/consumers to favored businesses

David said...

The birds suffer in an oil slick. Windmills are quick and merciful.

Mark said...

So, in a dangerously soft economy, the Administration takes yet another step toward increasing the cost of energy.

It's almost like they don't like us.

DADvocate said...

Do the math, 9600 birds at one site alone, the Altamont Pass x 35 years = 336,000 killed, mostly federally protected raptors and migratory species as the Pass is in the Pacific Flyway.

The math doesn't matter to Garage. He wants to divert the focus away from Obama and his heavily corrupt administration and its damaging policies that are hurting us more than any oil waste lagoon.

hombre said...

"J"?

Is that Jeremy after the bleed?

chickenlittle said...

Cedarford wrote: do not forget what side you beloved War Hero Who Suffered!!

That particular meme you often repeat sounds just like J endlessly ranting about Romney's mormonism. It's like a big "who cares" to me. McCain did make a deal about his father and grandfather and their service. If you want to attack someone for no reason, why don't you start there?

For that matter, why are you silent on your beloved President's background? Could it be you find your vote for Obama increasingly indefensible?

Browndog said...

Too lazy to hyperlink-

Google "wind farms kill bats"

Obvious consequences?

Tons and tons more pesticides needed-

Obvious consequences?

ah, you get the picture

Moonbattery....

Cedarford said...

While in California, in the 90s, my wife and I visited a windfarm out of curiosity. No one was around, so we did a "self-guided tour". It was snake heaven. My wife loves that stuff. So between taking pics of the tri-blades and bases, we had sticks to rake the grass and ground in front. Because in half an hour, we encountered 6 rattlesnakes (1 W diamondback, 3 S Pacific, 2 Mohave rattlers). Plus a couple of gopher snakes and 1 king snake. There was also skunk and raccoon sign, possibly rats.

What we quickly learned drew all those predators was the dead bird and bat kill. (And wounded. we mercy killed a bat on the ground with a broken wing, and saw a hobbled songbird limping past at a good speed).

One Mohave rattler still had bird feet sticking out of his mouth and 2 of the S Pacific ones and a gopher snake had "tweety bird" bulges.

I imagine the bird kill counts that dwell on "raptors" miss the many smaller birds and bats consumed within hours of hitting ground or at night when the skunks and raccoons and rats comb for what the snakes miss.

In our hikes in Cali, we never saw so many snakes as there.

The early wind farms were up in hilly or desert area and away from migratory bird paths. But I expect as the tax-subsidized windfarms grow, that many sited near waterways will produce an impressive migratory bird kill.

I also think that large solar farms out in the desert will have very bad effects on the desert ecology. And ruin the experience of hiking in what you would like to think is a natural setting, because you can see solar "farms" like Rancho Seco just about anywhere you are in its 80 square mile line of sight on a clear day from "preserved desert save sacred solar power projects". Environmentalists and conservationists agree...many have sued the government about "exciting green energy subsidies" and the various green entrepreneur sorts trying to set up on state and Fed land or private land sites that are an eyesore to other property owners or naturalists.

Bruce Hayden said...

But the wind good movement trumps the birds good movement. And all forms of energy are better than oil which is trumped by everything but coal.

Where does nuklear (nuclear) energy fall in there? After all, Amerikan imperialists killed a lot of people of color with nuklcear bombs in WWII. (Ok, at least in some places now, Japanese are now considered White...)

I would think that nuclear energy would fall between oil/gas and coal in their view.

Don't forget the bats. Those windmills kill lots of bats.

But bats are mammals, and so don't qualify for as much sympathy or protection as do birds, reptiles, or fish.

Joseph said...

Applying laws in an unequal fashion is a dangerous game to play.

This will not end well for anyone.

Cedarford said...

Cedarford wrote: do not forget what side you beloved War Hero Who Suffered!!

That particular meme you often repeat sounds just like J endlessly ranting about Romney's mormonism. It's like a big "who cares" to me. McCain did make a deal about his father and grandfather and their service. If you want to attack someone for no reason, why don't you start there?

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The only reason is no politician has leveraged his experience in Vietnam to greater self-promotion effect than McCain. Not even Kerry.
He was an abysmal candidate and a treacherous Republican. The main reason he was nominee and elected Senator in AZ was his able use of his "Suffering War Hero" bit. The military started trying to get rid of him back when he was a LT Commander, as a mediocre pilot and officer.

garage mahal said...

@BJM
Thanks for the links. Reading now.

Tigerbythetail said...

The wind industry is not killing just "any old birds" with wind turbines, but Golden Eagles, American Eagles ie. raptors plus a multitude of bats.

It truly is a travesty and needs to be stopped.

roesch-voltaire said...

How the poor birds suffer; we should at least kill cats to save some of them.According to Leslie Evans Ogden, "The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services (FWS) estimates that at least 4 million to 5 million birds are killed annually in communication tower collisions in the United States" Add this to the estimated 98 million birds killed annually by collisions with glass windows, especially those of tall office buildings, and it becomes clear that tall structures pose a very real threat to bird populations. (1)

viator said...

"All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."

Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

garage mahal said...

Madison Man
I heard 20' foot waves on Michigan, and up to 30' on Superior. Ship wrecking height. Per Twitter anywhow.

Henry said...

per R-V we should be throwing cats in oil waste lagoons.

Calypso Facto said...

Ship wrecking height.

I guess Gordon Lightfoot was in town just a couple weeks early?

garage mahal said...

@Calypso
Hah, didn't know he rolled through.

E. Fitzgerald was in 22' waves when it went down.

MadisonMan said...

Waves to 35 feet are forecast.

Not there yet

chickenlittle said...

MadisonMan said...
Waves to 35 feet are forecast.

It must be AGW. That could explain the Mataafa Storm back in 1905. People heated more with coal then.

bagoh20 said...

"500 million killed yearly by cats"

Pussy is always the biggest problem when you pursue power. They are ubiquidangerous.

bagoh20 said...

Are birds all blind or what?

bagoh20 said...

I heard that over 750 million turtles are killed by falling birds killed by wind turbines in the killing fields of America. True Story

cubanbob said...

Alex said...
The problems with bats is guano, which is the same substance that comprises J's postings.

9/29/11 2:59 PM

Alex bat guano has value. J's posting, indeed his existence is of no value. A nullity actually.

ken in sc said...

There is a 19th century poem about Napoleon whose details I don't remember, but it ends with a boy saying to his father, words to the effect, that if I ever decide to kill anyone, I will make sure to kill lots of people. I can then get away with it and be thought a great man.

MarkG said...

Are birds all blind or what?

They hit them at night when they're migrating. Except for the windows on buildings, which is probably just a daytime thing.

PatCA said...

How soon until the DOE and Mr. Chu get their own SWAT team to stop these senseless murderers??

bagoh20 said...

"Are birds all blind or what?"
~
"They hit them at night when they're migrating."

~~
Well then there should be a law requiring headlights and helmets on all birds. And start handing out FUIs (Flying Under the Influence) I see this as a bipartisan issue that would skate through.

showbiz111 said...

A bird in the lagoon is worth 16,000 in windmill blades.

Maguro said...

How come bats run into these things? Shouldn't their radar detect them?

Michael K said...

I'd bet half of them are funded by the saud's to do this, too.

The anti-Canadian pipeline effort is 99% funded by the Saudis.

Dusty said...

But 28 dead birds is a tragedy; 440,000 dead birds is a statistic.

J Allen said...

"They're killing about 440,000 birds (a year). Only 15,714 times as many. What's the big deal? Have you no sense of proportion?"

The application worked for Stalin.

EDH said...

If you want to be a bird

Just glide there
Through the clear air
Making figure eights
Through the pearly gates
Where the soul and the universe meet

If you want to be a bird
It won't take much
To get you up there
But when you come down
Land on your feet

Paul said...

Should not equal protection under the law be interpreted to also mean equal ENFORCEMENT?

It looks like Obama selectively enforces laws just to help those he wants and punish others he feels do not 'fit' in his dream world.

Equal protection should also mean equal enforcement.

All laws should apply equally to all citizens. And be enforced the same way.

Carnifex said...

"Quantity has a quality all its own"--J. Stalin?

Carnifex said...

Something I learned while driving a truck (we don't have wind farms here) is that often, individual mills are shut down. I suspect to keep the price of electricity artificially high. Has a study ever been done about that?

Carnifex said...

@Garage
Been over most of the lower 48, Wisconsin is very nice. Almost equal to my home state. Your winters are brutal though. I call it "white hell" and if I never see snow again I'll be happy. And I used to LOVE snow.

As far as people being nice, the people of Spanish Fork Utah win hands down (from personal experience)

Leora said...

Either Lenin or Stalin said something like 100 deaths is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.

Jason Keenan said...

From Megadeth's amazing album, Countdown to Extinction, part of the song "Captive Honour":

And when you kill a man, you're a murderer,
Kill many, and you're a conqueror,
Kill them all...Oooh...Oh you're a god!

Gary Rosen said...

"While in California, in the 90s, my wife and I"

Bwahaha. C-fudd has probably never had a date with a woman, let alone had sex with one. Except maybe after J's sex-change operation.

Roger J. said...

Another post filled with those events that alter and illuminate our time--including J mans gibberish--what could be better on a friday morning except dont have time to fuck with J man today

TosaGuy said...

"What the hell is a oil waste lagoon?"

It's the same thing as a stormwater lagoon by a parking lot. It is designed to catch contaminated water so it can be cleaned up. These lagoons are lined so the contaminates don't seep into the soil. Essentially, the oil companies are being punished for being good stewards of their drilling sites.

In the real world, the companies would simply be told to put a net over the top of their lagoons.

TosaGuy said...

"And ruin the experience of hiking in what you would like to think is a natural setting, because you can see solar "farms" like Rancho Seco just about anywhere you are in its 80 square mile line of sight on a clear day from "preserved desert save sacred solar power projects".

Some of the finest rolling prairie views in the nation are at Buffalo Ridge in SW Minnesota. Those views are now dominated by thousands of windmills. It is an impressive site from a machine point of view, but truly is sad from a natural one.

caplight said...

"Nah, Wisconsinites are probably the nicest people you'll ever meet."

That was my experience till I got to Madison.

BJM said...

The worst part of the Altamont Pass wind farm debacle is that it was originally conceived as a tax shelter, not a "green" energy project. Silicon Valley had a lot of profits to shelter and political muscle.

The project was designed to lose money that is why the build-out took place so fast and without much regard for the environment.

In the late 70's thru mid-80's we were offered several "opportunities" to invest. We drove out, got the tour and had a look for ourselves. We passed.

Wind energy was a taxpayer subsidized boondoggle then and still is.

Methadras said...

McDonald Family said...

In the children's book 'Matilda,' by Roald Dahl the big lie comes into play. One of the kids says that parent's won't believe that the principal (i.e. Ms. Truchbull) is throwing children like she used to throw hammers in the Olympics. The reason given is that if you are going to do something bad, you do something so outrageous that nobody will believe it is true.


Tiger Woods didn't go far enough. In the case of Gene Simmons, most people don't believe he fucked over 5000 women.

Methadras said...

garage mahal said...

What the hell is a oil waste lagoon?


Your moms mouth.

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