September 5, 2011

If he won't run for President, will Paul Ryan at least consider Vice President?

"I'm not going to focus on that only because it's someone else's decision, so what's the point of answering that question? I'm focused on doing my job right and that's so far away and it's out of my control, so I just don't spend my time worrying about it. I spend my time worrying about my job, which is balancing the budget, getting this debt under control and creating the conditions that will get jobs created in this country."

Paul Ryan is focused on the task before him. No frivolities will distract him.

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Would a truly doggedly on-task type guy make a good President? Maybe not!

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pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

I like that Ryan has accepted Ezra Klein's invites on Ezra's blog.

I've only caught glimpses of this discussion because I'm not a regular Kleinite. But, it's nice to see two informed folks directly confront each other in a back and forth conversation, with a lot of detail and specifics.

traditionalguy said...

If Ryan won't run for President, will he at least be the Sommelier at the White House?

Perry and Palin are just not wine savy.

caseym54 said...

Ryan would make a much better Speaker.

virgil xenophon said...

No. Ryan is too much of a green-eyeshade sort of guy much better suited to leadership in the House or Senate where he can be a force for fiscal sanity providing leadership by dint of his command of financial/budgetary minutia. He's not a "big picture" (you know, that "vision thing") kinda guy needed to move the masses to action; rather, he has the personality and physical mien of a CPA. Most people self-select themselves into the slots in life in which they find themselves. Exceptions aside, there IS A REASON the sort of personality that becomes a CPA doesn't become a fighter pilot and visa versa. Ryans GOP polar opposite is Perry, whose personality was made for executive branch political life.

Keep Ryan where he is..

Scott said...

I'm sure the Demolitioncrats would LOVE to have Ryan as VP. It would take him out of a very powerful position in the House and promote him to one that has few responsibilities and virtually no influence on public policy -- unless a Senate vote ties; and how often does that happen? He would be a fool to accept if he was tapped for veep, unless he's ready to check out anyway.

Insufficiently Sensitive said...

Would a truly doggedly on-task type guy make a good President? Maybe not!

If the task is taking on all of a President's responsibilities on behalf of the entire US public, then a doggedly on-task type guy would wholly eclipse the glorious, viciously partisan Obama.

He's not a "big picture" (you know, that "vision thing") kinda guy needed to move the masses to action; rather, he has the personality and physical mien of a CPA.

Oh, sure. He only stood down the great eloquent Obama on the subject of the deficit, and he moved the masses of the House to pass his deficit-reduction plan last spring. Very few in the House are as articulate as he is, and nobody else, on either side of the aisle, has thought through a plan to systematically end the endless deficits - and put it up on a website for all to see.

You can demagogue against it, sure, but until you put your own plan up in public (no Democrat has the guts) your assertions are just wind.

garage mahal said...

Paul Ryan is focused on the task before him. No frivolities will distract him.

Not even his constituents who he refuses to meet. Well that's not exactly true, he will for $15 with an appointment. Every prostitute has a price ya know.

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Chip S. said...

There is no coherent argument that says Ryan is too valuable in the House to run for President that also says that he ought to run for Vice President.

The Crack Emcee said...

Would a truly doggedly on-task type guy make a good President? Maybe not!

Two things:

1) Anytime I'm watching the news and they talk of what "may" happen, I think "may not" and tune them out. The same applies in reverse.

2) In this age of extreme frivolousness, there's a definite bias against seriousness - especially in a male. The bias, of course, is against males period (not much of a stretch for a feminist) because you don't hear ANY praise, nor is there even a search for, a "strong man" as there is for the Oprah-overloaded "strong woman," who is seemingly-everywhere. Let a strong male appear and the question of "is he too macho?" is bound to trailing not far behind. (Has anyone ever asked if a woman is "too strong"?)

All that said, when our problems are so specific - and fixable - why wouldn't "a truly doggedly on-task type guy make a good President?" Or a good anything else? Because he wouldn't pay attention to our bullshit? Well, if it's our adherence to bullshit that got us into this (and I would whole-heartedly suggest that it is) then maybe a non-destractable guy is just the remedy to the problem - the problem being, partially, our attraction to receiving attention for nothing much but trying not to be bored because, ultimately, we're boring.

We, in this case, being a nation ruled by hippies and the hippie mindset.

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Scott said...

"Not even his constituents who he refuses to meet. Well that's not exactly true, he will for $15 with an appointment. Every prostitute has a price ya know."

Just like the above commenter's veracity is a prostitute to his ideology.

In fact, Ryan never charged anybody $15 to talk to him. The $15 admission fee was charged by the private organization (the Whitnall Park Rotary Club), in part to keep neofascist progressives like the above commenter from distrupting the meeting. And I'm sure it worked like a charm, because progressives don't like to pay for anything out of pocket.

John said...

Ron Paul for VP

Let him be the curmudgeon. Put him in charge of dismantling useless programs.

Put him in charge of deleting useless govt departments.

Let him PRESIDE over the Senate which is the VP's job. (As Palin recognized in the VP debate, flummoxing Biden yet again)

Let him be the VP in charge of obstruction.

I do not support Perry because if he is the candidate, Paul can't be VP.

John Henry

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Sue D'Nhym said...

Would a truly doggedly on-task type guy make a good President?

Have we had one?

cubanbob said...

J said...
You're too stupid for politics, Cracki.

Hint: it's not about...helping the very rich and powerful by giving them additional tax breaks, de-reg, Randian crap, etc

9/5/11 12:17 PM

J you're too stupid to even breath. Put yourself out of your misery and abort yourself in an environmentally and Gaia friendly way as quickly as possible. And have a nice day.

Scott said...

Nah, progressives are known for their little kristallnacht street theater protests with property destruction and multiple arrests for civil disobedience. And for flooding the zone with invective, gainsaying, and name calling. Progressives should embrace their inner fascist nature. Come out of the closet! Your brown shirts and armbands await you.

Scott said...

(Yeah, Godwin's Law blah blah blah. So what.)

PatCA said...

He can do the most good where he is. And Sarah would be a totally awesome Department of Energy head!

William said...

Greenspan said that the only President that he had encountered who was thoroughly sane was Ford-- and Ford was an accidental President. Both Ryan and Chrystie seem sane and modest. That will probably disqualify them.

virgil xenophon said...

In-Sen/

I would never argue that Ryan is totally inarticulate or that he would be a poor chief executive, only that , unfortunately the qualities that one needs to get elected to the Presidency are NOT the qualities needed to "run the government" (a dubious concept in and of itself) once elected--as the mere existence of Obama glaringly testifies. Perry, by contrast, seems to have a better mix of the two qualities needed to succeed at both tasks. The greatest "policy wonk" in the world is no good if he a) can't get elected and/or b) once elected, can't move both the nation and Congress to action by convincing both of the necessity of his agenda--that "vision thing" again--arguably possession of which the reason Regan won election originally and the lack thereof the reason Bush 41 lost his own re-election.

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America's Politico said...

I would agree that if Ryan was the nominee (or Christie or Daniels), then the POTUS Obama team would be nervous. (Disclosure: I have been told this by many super K-street consultants.)

No one says that it is likely that Ryan will be the VP. Many reasons. One is that he (Ryan) does not care much of Perry or Romney. Second is that he believes that GOP will lose the fight and it would be best for him to be ready in 2016.

The verdict is unchanged: GOP is trashed everywhere by the POTUS. Every where. No place to hide for the GOP. Why? Because GOP has not had any deliverables, no vision, no diversity platform, no leadership in the world, etcetera.

JAL said...

At this point in time Americans are so People Magazine minded, celebrity-reality TV minded and enamored with the flashy = competence myth that someone like Paul Ryan is a an unknown known. Or is it unknown unknown?

Or maybe he is just an alien.

How about Sec Treasury in the next administration? Wherever, he has to be given a hand in us becoming financially responsible nation once again, as he seems to be one of the minority of adults left in the room known as DC.

(Imagine George Washington, Thomas Jeffereson, John Adams and the like being evaluated by today's press and people?

Booooring!!!!

They were doggedly focused on the task of starting a country based on idea which never had been formulated into a working model, much a less a functioning country. Obama should be embarrassed that he tried to to be in their lineage.)

When we get over the childish need for someone flashy to be POTUS and want someone who does the job, does it efficiently, without petty petulence, and keeps the ideals of this unique and exceptional American model of citizens owning and running their lives and mutually taking care of their international identity and welfare ....)

Well, maybe we'll be through with this asinine redistributive and humans rights squashing form of federally funded personality cultism at some point.

But not holding my breath.

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garage mahal said...

in part to keep neofascist progressives like the above commenter from distrupting the meeting.

Actually progressives were counter demonstrating the nazi rally in West Allis [note, not Madison] on Saturday. Wait, Althouse didn't let you in on that one? Shame! Where were conservatives that day I wonder. Apparently they were fine with nazi rallies. Hmmph.

Elected Republicans aren't nearly as dumb as their base, they will never put RyanCare on the national ticket, he is after all, the 3rd least popular Republican in America. While Ryan is sipping $300 wine with billionaires and calling the police on his constitutients, his challenger Rob Zerban is doing listening sessions at taverns where real folk are drinking $2 tappers.

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Scott said...

But of course, Gerald R. Ford, a co-author of the Warren Report, was a high ranking member of the Bavarian Illuminati. Ewige blumenkraft!

virgil xenophon said...

PatCA/

Yes, either Energy or Interior as another slot that would also be a perfect fit for Palin.

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Carol_Herman said...

Doesn't this news frustrate the "top runners?" Isn't there something "vanilla" about the GOP where no one comes up with a plan that satifies a majority of voters?

Yesterday, I saw a comment at a Breitbart's link ... that I thought was just top notch! The person goes by the handle: Clarity In LA. (Or, as spelled: Clarityinla). Take a look at these 13 proposals. (And even if you don't pick all of them ... why aren't these proposals on the table, yet?)

1) Repeal Obamacare

2) Repeal Dodd-Frank "Be big to fail," instead.

3) Reform the tax code.

4) Cut down the Fed's size!

5) Reform Social security. Don't destroy it!

6) Tighten borders.
This was a good one: "Issue ID cards for every single person who works in the US coming in from foreign countries. Create a database. Allow workers to cross our borders as long as they are working.

7) Require legal residence/job/taxes of aliens IF they want to use entitlements such as education, medical. Etc. For themselves or family members.

8) Allow for vouchers to replace all Federal funding of schools.

9) End corporate welfare and crony capitalism. (Sarah Palin has already said this.)

10) Legalize marijuana. Or allow states to control this. Take the Feds AWAY! (This even helps Mexico.)

11) Prevent the spread of Sharia Law. RE-STATED: No other laws supersedes our US Constitution.

12) Require ALL voters to show a valid PICTURE ID. It must contain a "mark" that you are eligible to vote.

13) Allow states to decide if they want to drill for oil. This is not a Federal decision policy!

14) KEEP OUR MILITARY STRONG

Scott said...

So J is an anti-semite. Sui generis for a progressive, obviously. Who'd a thunk it.

bagoh20 said...

It's not how a President approaches the tasks, but which tasks he chooses. After I know that, then I'll tell you how doggedly I want him on it.

Obama's incompetence is actually his best quality.

Scott said...

(I never knew I was Jewish. Why am I all of a sudden craving a bowl of Matzoh ball soup? Oy.)

virgil xenophon said...

Yes, JAL, if you're not at least a semi "hipster" anymore one need not apply. Think of a Taft or even TR and his mustache (remember, one of John Bolton's main criticisms--besides the fact he has no name recognition--concerns the size of his mustache). Short, gray-haired and/or bald(ing) un-telegenic oldish-looking (whether actually truly old or not) white men need not apply--no matter HOW qualified, knowledgeable, articulate and/or experienced they are..

n.n said...

He seems more interested and better suited to become Treasury Secretary; or, as others have implied, there are other positions (in the executive and legislative branches) which require similarly qualified individuals.

It is a mistake to assign a near divine status to executive roles (especially president) exclusively, and to disregard the other roles which also demand individuals of integrity.

Carol_Herman said...

Yup. Obama doesn't have to change his act. He just has to out-wait his opponents. (Including Merkel.)

The GOP's problem is "vanilla." Where we live in a nation full of all sorts of flavors. You couldn't become Baskin & Robbins, if all you offered was vanilla.

While too many of today's GOP condendahs feel safe by offering nothing at all.

What's ahead?

Perry wrote a book that when it gets read out loud by opponents ... will make him look like the democrap he once was.

And, Mitt? He's afraid of his own shadow! He runs by posing a great head of hair!

The GOP can't run a schlemiel, either. The role is taken.

And, I listened to Sarah's 42 minute speech, yesterday, in Iowa. She's carrying a lot of angry baggage. Speech was too long. Too narrow on specifics. And, her audience was too vanilla.

hombre said...

Did Ryan say he would consider VP? It looked to me like he declined to answer the question.

Interesting negative comments in the Journal-Sentinel about Ryan and his proposals. They make me proud to be an ex-Democrat.

John said...

J,

Check the history of Fascism and/or fascism.

Both are socialist to their boots.

Rand, Paul and other liberals (A/K/A libertarians) may be many things but they are as far from being socialist as can be.

You better learn what fascism is before you throw the term around.

John Henry

Alex said...

garage - you're despicable. Do you honestly believe Republicans are ok with Nazi rallies? Do you honestly believe that? Are you that venal?

Carol_Herman said...

Boehner's not gonna be replaced as Speaker!

Because Boehner is actually preferred by democraps. INCLUDING VOTERS! Who will vote back in the republican majority in the House.

Pelosi is the one that's HATED!

And, make of it what you wish ... Obama hates her, too!

Hillary and Pelosi are the cans that get kicked around.

Fiscal responsibility won't even start until a president decides to toss out Cabinet chairs. One by one? Two by two?

Obama is very motivated to win.

Obama will also keep sucking on vanilla ice cream cones. It seems to pass some visual test.

Alex said...

I can see that nothing gets through to J. Like water off a duck's back. He has his marching orders from Media Matters.

Alex said...

BTW - nobody should be fooled by my occasional forays into devil advocacy. It's called SATIRE.

madAsHell said...

What about the guy the would consider "throwing the game"?

Oh, yeah....he was the rational choice.

garage mahal said...

Do you honestly believe Republicans are ok with Nazi rallies?

You tell me Alex. All I know is progressives outnumbered Nazi's 50-1 in West Allis.

Maybe Broccoli Head could illuminate.

Scott said...

JAL / Virgil X.: Americans can elect radically different leaders if they need to. Look at David Dinkins, who lost to Rudy Giuliani in 1993. Obama is in a simiar situation. There is no way that he can hang on to the presidency. Americans want a more competent leader; and are going to be looking to the GOP to provide one.

John said...

Actually progressives were counter demonstrating the nazi rally in West Allis

I think what Garage meant to say was that progressive socialists were counterdemonstrating the national socialist rally.

John Henry

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Scott said...

Maybe Broccoli Head could illuminate.

"No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10

Scott said...

ROFL

Such language. My partner is a hip hop artist, but even his rhetoric is cleaner than that.

John said...

No, J, the National Socialists ("Nazis" as you call them) were not bolshevists.

Nor have most socialists in history been Bolshevists.

They were National, as opposed to international, socialists.

What they practiced was pure socialism. The control of the means of production for (allegedly) the benefit of the workers.

Doesn't matter whose name is on the title paper. Socialism is about controlling the means of production.

Read some history.

John Henry

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Scott said...

Unlike you, Orwell was an anti-Fascist.

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cubanbob said...

J said...
C-bob-- yr too stupid to be online trash, where yr life is in jeopardy, mafia swine

got that, tough teabagger trash

9/5/11 12:38 PM

The only good communist is dead communist. Now run off and be a good communist and just fuck off and die already. You are truly the dumbest and most obnoxious asshole commenter ever. Seriously, fuck off and die already. And have a nice day.

Chuck66 said...

He seems more like a guy who gets things done than someone who would have to spend all day playing politics. Making speaches. Going to fundraisers. Fighting Big Media.

Actually I don't see why any sane smart person would want to be in government.

Unless you crave power.

edutcher said...

Ryan's is last week's wet dream. This week it's Rubio.

Accomplished guy, but he may want a little more time in grade.

PS J's here? I thought he'd be out delivering all those beatdowns he's been promising.

Chuck66 said...

Virgil says: "He's not a "big picture" (you know, that "vision thing") kinda guy needed to move the masses to action; rather, he has the personality and physical mien of a CPA."

Yes, that's what it is. I have a finance background and when I see certain politicians speak, I just roll my eyes and think "that person wouldn't last 1 month out in the real world". Ryan is more like a finance-type person than a ranting politicians.

Example: Democrat says "Republicans want to kill medicare/caid/social security and starve the old folks."

It takes Ryan at least 5 or so minutes to explain the basics of his plan to save Medicare. He is more of a thinking than a sound bit ranter.

garage mahal said...

I think what Garage meant to say was that progressive socialists were counterdemonstrating the national socialist rally.

You can call it whatever you want. The left was demonstrating against Nazis. Right wing, no where to be found. You can make sense of that any way you please.

Alex said...

wow J has really jumped the shark. So Republicans are Nazis. Nice to know.

Alex said...

Hey J - are GOPers planning death camps for liberals?

Alex said...

hey garage - I wasn't demonstrating against the Nazis in the street either. I guess that makes me a Nazi right?

cubanbob said...

Scott said...
JAL / Virgil X.: Americans can elect radically different leaders if they need to. Look at David Dinkins, who lost to Rudy Giuliani in 1993. Obama is in a simiar situation. There is no way that he can hang on to the presidency. Americans want a more competent leader; and are going to be looking to the GOP to provide one.

9/5/11 1:11 PM

You pegged it right. Obama is the second coming of Dinkins and not of Carter. By the way both men can die happy knowing that Obama has them beat in the worst ever category. As for Ryan he should stay where he is. The next president is going to need a details man to keep him or her from going wobbly. Who will be Ryan's counterpart in the senate?

Chuck66 said...

garage, I didn't see any Democats counter protesting the protesters and vandels at the inner city Catholic school in Milwaukee.

Therefore Democrats are anti-Catholic bigots and also support vandelism.

cubanbob said...

garage mahal said...
I think what Garage meant to say was that progressive socialists were counterdemonstrating the national socialist rally.

You can call it whatever you want. The left was demonstrating against Nazis. Right wing, no where to be found. You can make sense of that any way you please.

9/5/11 1:32 PM

Why should 'right wingers' get in the way of left-on-left fratricide?

Alex said...

hey garage - you obviously have a lot of free time to be engaging in all these demonstrations. Are you by chance a welfare recipient?

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Chuck66 said...

West Allis was kind of like Germany circa-1927.

Nazi and commies fighting each other.

John said...

Garage said:

The left was demonstrating against Nazis. Right wing, no where to be found.


Glad you finally recognize that. National Socialists/Nazis are not right wing.

So many people, like J f'rinstance, seem to think National Socialists are right wing. Glad you are smart enough to recognize that they are of the left. ie; socialists

So yeah, progressives demoing against National Socialists? Quite right. No right wing there.

To echo Cubanbob, Why should anyone want to get in the way of a left on left pissing contest?

John Henry

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

"...where real folk are drinking $2 tappers."


Restaurant food in Norway is insanely expensive. And, I'm not talking about especially high end places. For example at a basic eatery it cost thirty bucks for a bowl of broccoli soup, which was a side.

And btw, the food is terrible. Expensive and terrible!

I'll take some PBR and a microwaved pot (not the "medicinal" sorta pot) pie from an American dive-bar any day.

Scott said...

@Alex: Garage drives a BMW. Nostalgia for the Vaterland no doubt.

Alex said...

Yo Alex the demonic bag of teabag shit--

Way to win friends and influence people.

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Scott said...

The sun on the meadow is summery warm
The deer in the forests run free
But gathered together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me

The branch on the maple is leafy and green
The children are laughing with glee
But somewhere a glory awaits unseen
Tomorrow belongs to me

Obama, Obama, please show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me

The babe in his cradle is closing his eyes
The blossom embraces the bee
But soon says the whisper, arise, arise
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me

--The Children's 2012 Campaign Song

Scott said...

Progressives (who haven't had an original idea since the 19th century) have made an industry of denying that they are closet fascists. Too bad the industry is going bankrupt.

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hombre said...

@J: The National Socialist German Workers' Party was not a leftist movement? Who knew?

That must be why they ended up with an uber-capitalist society, practicing democracy and devoted to individual freedom just like the other right-wing utopias. You know Red China, the USSR, Cuba, etc. ROTFLMAO

Mike K said...

Would a truly doggedly on-task type guy make a good President?

Have we had one?


Eisenhower

Mike K said...

I can see that nothing gets through to J. Like water off a duck's back. He has his marching orders from Media Matters.

I think he might be a bot.

cubanbob said...

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...
"...where real folk are drinking $2 tappers."


Restaurant food in Norway is insanely expensive. And, I'm not talking about especially high end places. For example at a basic eatery it cost thirty bucks for a bowl of broccoli soup, which was a side.

And btw, the food is terrible. Expensive and terrible!

I'll take some PBR and a microwaved pot (not the "medicinal" sorta pot) pie from an American dive-bar any day.

9/5/11 1:45 PM

You are right about Norway, my sister was just there and made the same observation. Cheaper to visit Norway by cruise ship. And the food would be better as well.

Mick said...

edutcher said...
Ryan's is last week's wet dream. This week it's Rubio.


Rubio is not eligible-- not a natural born Citizen, since he was born to NON US Citizen resident aliens in Miami.

Phil 3:14 said...

Ryan stay in the House. Leftist ad homogeneous at Paul are embarrassing.

Maguro said...

You tell me Alex. All I know is progressives outnumbered Nazi's 50-1 in West Allis.

So there were, what, 3 Nazis and 150 liberals standing around screaming at each other? Sounds like a big waste of time to me.

alan markus said...

The Neo-Nazi rally in West Allis:

30 neo-Nazis; 100 Police, 2000 counterprotesters. 5 arrests, but no word if any of them were neo-Nazis. Seems like there was a confrontation amongst the counter protesters themselves.
5 arrested at neo-Nazi rally

Picture:
Tempers flared during a neo-Nazi rally Saturday in West Allis. A group of young black men chanting "Peace" argued with other protesters (foreground) over the cause of violence outside State Fair last month.

Picture:
George Martin (right, in foreground with back to camera), a national board member at Peace Action tries to mediate a confrontation between two groups arguing with each other, mostly disagreeing but finding common ground on some points during a counter-demonstration before a neo-Nazi rally Saturday.

Looks like most of the action was on the counter protester side.

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Scott said...

I get it now! "J" is Ann Coulter pretending to be a progressive to make Democrats look bad.

You go girl!

Mike K said...

J badly needs to get back on his meds before we read about him in the paper.

alan markus said...

Opponents to the neo-Nazi rally attempt to drown out the speakers with song, chants and drumming along Greenfield Avenue in front of West Allis City Hall.

Makes sense that the right wing wouldn't be there: they ain't got no experience at that kind of thing, so leave it to the professionals. It does look like there was a dearth of giant puppets, though. Maybe the rain wrecks the paper mache'?

I assume this is a Tea Party guy that slipped in:
A man who did not wish to provide his name displays his displeasure for neo-Nazis during a neo-Nazi rally held in front of the West Allis City hall Saturday, Sept. 3, 2011, in West Allis, Wis.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

"Rubio is not eligible-- not a natural born Citizen, since he was born to NON US Citizen resident aliens in Miami."



Where is SevenMachos when you need him?

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bagoh20 said...

J,
I respectfully request that you give me some of that love you are spreading. I would be honored to join those you have graced with a foul name of some sort.

To help you out, I would offer that I support smaller, smarter government, I respect Palin, Ryan, Perry, Rush, etc. I hate communists, and love the Tea Party.

C'mon give it too me.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Bag,

Maybe you should comment on his blog. Although he seems less animated over there, sans "A-tard" provocation.

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Scott said...

Goodness, he's silly.

Bruce Hayden said...

yr wrong again like yr dyslexic hero Goldberg. Nationalism is not socialism. You don't know fuck about Hegel or Marx anyway. The nazis had banks, allowed the aristocrats, were capitalist. Not bolsheviks, dumbass.

I think what J misses, and what is ever more evident with this Administration, is that crony capitalism is just another form of socialism. It is not capitalism. The companies are not competing in the market place, but rather in the halls of Congress and at raising cash for Obama's reelection.

Probably the seminal book on this was "The Road to Serfdom", written contemporaneously to Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler by Hayek. Everything since, by the likes of J, to characterize the Nazis and Fascists as right wing is mere historical and economic revisionism.

The Nazis gave the big companies a choice - they could work closely with the government and thrive, or they could be destroyed. Most picked working closely with the government, which is why so many of the big German companies at the time ended up using slave or concentration camp labor.

Think of the slave labor as similar to tax breaks, TARP money, and green energy subsidies, such as GE has acquired under Obama. They give the company a big advantage in the market.

No, this isn't real capitalism, but rather, the crony capitalism of Mussolini and Hitler modernized and grafted onto the U.S. system, but without the nationalistic bent of Naziism.

SunnyJ said...

Paul Ryan came to the battle with facts and faced down the Obama rhetoric machine...and won! There was no discussion of debt and entitlements until Ryan brought his plan forward and the Tea Party picked up speed. The GOP was pissed at Ryan and wanted Obama to drown in his own rhetoric, preferring they wait for him to come up with something and then they could pick it apart.

Ryan, showed them up and the Tea Party rewarded him for having the courage to say, "this is the issue, this is right and I'm bringing it forward to save this country, policitally correct or not." No conservative worth their salt will ever forget that about Paul Ryan.

We will also not forget Obama inviting him and sitting him in the front row at his speech and then proceeding to mock him and his plan. Obama is graceless...a sure sign of new power like new money...the constant need to flaunt it.

The question posed here regarding Ryan or any candidate is the problem. You are asking the wrong question(s) and they are the same ones that got us Obama. Let the candidates come to us, let them frame the questions with their ideas and philosophies, let them tell us what they think this country needs...and then let us decide who makes the most sense.

The question on Ryan is the cart before the horse. You can have no idea of who Ryan will be because you have framed him in your limited view before he presents himself. Then he has to spend the rest of the time beating back your preconceived idea of him.

Scott said...

J deleted all his anti-semitic Jew-baiting comments regarding myself. (We'll see if he shows up in the cache.)

Now, he's shifted to gay baiting.

Sometimes you wonder if people can actually hear themselves. I think that J's posts are a cry for help.

Poor tortured soul. So much hate.

Maguro said...

Poor tortured soul. So much hate.

And so much stupidity. Let's not forget that part.

Trooper York said...

Tonight they are starting "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" on schedule. There was some doubt that would happen as one of the husbands of one of the girls killed himself a few weeks ago because of how he is portrayed on the show.

Many, many more millions of people know who that guy (Russell Armstrong) is than know who Paul Ryan is. I know youse guys do not.
But some perspective is in order. Just sayn'

Bruce Hayden said...

Let me also add that neo-Nazis are not Nazis. The one thing that they share is their belief in white supremacy, along with the name. And, that is about it.

I will postulate that they picked the name in order to horrify the rest of the country. Aryan Nation probably does the same sort of thing, for similar historic reasons - despite the reality that there are probably real Aryan nations already in existence, i.e. India and Iran (no, the Aryans were not blond Nordic types - the word is derived from Sanskrit, and Iran means the land of the Aryan).

Trooper York said...

Until Paul Ryan can penetrate the popular conciousness and brand himself properly like Snookie or Behtanny Frankel or Lady Gaga then all of his great plans won't mean a hill of beans.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

"Think of the slave labor as similar to tax breaks, TARP money, and green energy subsidies"

BH:Obama(and Nazi)-like socialism and crony capitalism was responsible for slaves in America.

Sheesh.

cubanbob said...

J said...
yo Cuban bob--you bag of lying human filth, Rush Limbaugh pedophile-- fuck yrself yid, hijo de puto, satanist . Got that, teabag anti-chirst swine? I piss on yr mama's face,puerco

and ...like coward--Ill be getting yr IP pronto perp

9/5/11 2:53 PM

Me cago en tu madre comunista de mierda. Muerete y no jodes mas. Que desgracia que la puta madre tuya que te pario no tuvo un aborto. Y tenga un buen dia.

Monkeyboy said...

I think what Garage meant to say was that progressive socialists were counterdemonstrating the national socialist rally.


"Splitters!"

Scott said...

@Maguro: Hate is the handmaiden of stupidity.

Or something.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Sorry BH,

I missed the italics.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Or maybe not.

I can't tell if you're quoting.

bagoh20 said...

Thanks J.

"Bag,

Maybe you should comment on his blog."


Oh yea, that's gonna happen. If some loser craps his pants when visiting my sandbox, I'm not gonna go play in his.

Bruce Hayden said...

Ryan is just where is should be. Spending bills start in the House, and having a green eye shades type of guy overseeing them is just what we need to pare down the size of the federal government to manageable levels.

Besides, what would he do as either a cabinet secretary or President? The money is already allocated by then by Congress. All he could do would be to go back to Congress and ask them to cut here and there - the courts made this explicit by rejecting Nixon's attempt to not spend money allocated by Congress.

No - keep him where he is.

Scott said...
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Scott said...

I don't understand Spanish, so I ran cubanbob's comment through translate.google.com. This is what came out (for the benefit of the progressives):

"Fick deine Mutter ficken Kommunist. Fick sterben und vieles mehr. Das ist verdammt Schande, dass Sie nicht langweilen Sie sich für eine Abtreibung. Und noch einen schönen Tag."

wv: pophiolo ... Hawai'ian for "chief executive"

Bruce Hayden said...

I missed the italics.

Sorry - don't know what happened. I tend to italicize quotes, and somehow my comments ended up in the middle of the italics. Possibly, I walked all over the terminator, and Blogger cleaned it up.

Hopefully, you all can tell what I wrote and what J wrote by the way it is written. Hopefully.

bagoh20 said...

"-atheist, anarcho-capitalist swine like Rush Limblow"

I don't think I would be smart enough to understand his blog. It's way over my head.

Mick said...

AndjFellowRepublican said...
"Rubio is not eligible-- not a natural born Citizen, since he was born to NON US Citizen resident aliens in Miami."



"Where is SevenMachos when you need him?"



7 Machos is only posing as a Conservative. What sort of Conservative doesn't care about the rule of law and the Constitution? Besides, I've blown ALL of his silly arguments (as well as all the rest here) out of the water.

Bruce Hayden said...

BH:Obama(and Nazi)-like socialism and crony capitalism was responsible for slaves in America.

The point was that in both cases, the government is giving large companies perks, advantages, and benefits for working closely with it. In the case of those German companies, it was low cost or no cost labor, and in our case, it is giving them tax breaks, sweat heart contracts, and a lot of money.

Maguro said...

Now I'm jealous. Can I have an incomprehisible, hate-filled spanglish rant, too, J? I may or may not be a Mormon, if that helps you get started.

Coketown said...

Paul Ryan's signature proposals have senior citizens crapping in their Depends from sheer terror. For no reason. Nothing he's proposed affects anyone over 55. But even Ann, who is 60, in one of her bloggingheads episodes said Paul Ryan "scares" her. And without the Curmudgeon Bloc, a race for the White House is futile.

So to answer the question, he's not going anywhere near the executive branch of government.

Carol_Herman said...

"No way Obama hangs on to his presidency?"

It that were true ... Obama wouldn't be the democrapic condendah. And, he is.

So far, too, Biden stays in place.

It's like coming up against, the Yankees, or something.

As to "progressives," it started with Theodore Roosevelt. And, it belongs to the elites. Because that's how they hold onto power.

It's the encumbent's role to have the advantage of already being in power.

And, when this breaks up? Well, it looks like it looked for Hoover. And, LBJ. And, Jimmy Carter. (Equal opportunity failures.)

What will Obama do to win? EVERYTHING! He'll even toss out cabinet chairs.

His favorite pick? The one Hillary is sitting in. But then, again, he has other reasons to choose between cabinet chairs ...

Now, HOW? Perhaps easily. By changing the size of the table? And? Taking his time.

Obama seems to know how to "take his time" with just about everything ... except dancing with his wife. That's over in a flash.

Are we already picking republican vice presidential candidates? Too funny.

No agenda that works with a majority of Americans. Stained by religious zealots. And, way too vanilla ...

But what is really being said by Ann's question? Your current field stinks! Gaze beyond the "obvious" contendahs.

The damaged elites can't think like they do in fly over country. They do, however, know how to build candidates that can run to pulpits!

Oh, whoever gets to run better not be carrying "baggage."

Scott said...

@bagoh20: It's like reading David Frum, init.

wv: wivesht (and I'm not going there, thank you)

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Bruce,

I'd say that in our own history our government stopped slavery in a situation where the private sector would have continued to use it because it made financial sense.

So, maybe you shouldn't get so carried away w/ your metaphysical certitude as you assure us that businesses would never use slaves unless the gov made them do it. Sometimes it takes the gov to make them stop.

So, this makes the point that businesses need to be limited from doing whatever it is that makes them the most dough. Presumably slavery isn't the only situation where it's good to have the gov regulate businesses. I know some folks who are hardcore cons, and they've made hundreds of millions of dollars, and they hate regulations. But, even they realize that too little regulation can kill real-world capitalism even faster than too much.

John said...

J doesn't seem to be getting a lot of love over at his blog.

I suggest that some of us go over and comment so that he can get some traffic.

I dropped in over there to say hello and introduce myself.

http://contingenciesblog.blogspot.com/

John Henry

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

John's comment over there is hilarious.

Bruce Hayden said...

Let me also clarify a bit. Crony capitalism is not capitalism, as that term is typically used and contrasted to socialism (just like Neo-Nazis are not Nazis, because there is no reason to believe that the former have any interest in the economic policies of the later).

Capitalism, as that term is usually used, is an economic system where firms compete against each other for buyers, and the ones that best serve their customers, while keeping their costs in line, etc. succeed, and those that don't fail. Think Adam Smith.

Crony Capitalism, on the other hand, bypasses the market, and wins by getting the government to give it special deals. The firm with the best product at the best price often does not win in this sort of economic system. Rather, the company with the best contacts and relations with those running the government often does.

The real heart of capitalism is with small and medium sized businesses. That is where most the jobs are created, and that is where most of the innovations happen (or maybe happened, with the Senate poised to pass "Patent Reform" tomorrow night - another blatant example of crony capitalism).

But large governments prefer dealing with large companies. They can bring a couple of people in the room, tell them what to do, and what they are going to give them to do it, and it happens. Hitler had his Krupp, Benz, BMW, Bayer, etc. and the present Administration has its GE, IBM, GM, UAW, etc. Everyone knows the game, and everyone at the table is playing. And, so, NBC/MSNBC turned into a mouthpiece for the Obama Administration, and its parent company at the time (GE) got TARP funds and a lot of green energy money. Everyone wins, except, of course, for those left paying for it.

Make no mistake - the Nazis were consummate planners, and that extended to their economy. National production was planned down to the widget, and implemented through a close relationship between those same large companies that received those benefits I mentioned above. Sounds a bit like a 5-year plan, except that the Germans appear to have been better at it than the Russians ever were.

There are a lot of problems though with this sort of system. First, and most obviously, the economic results are sub-optimal. How could they not be? The competitive market is being bypassed by K-street lobbyists.

Second, as Hayek pointed out almost 60 years ago, the natural result of this sort of socialism, just like with the Marxist version, is a loss of civil liberties. Those who don't want to play by the rigged rules must be made to play and pay.

So, we have raids on the Gibson guitar plants by the feds, who, conveniently ignored similar, if not identical, issues with their competitors, who coincidentally contributed to Democrats. And, we have the Clinton Administration having the IRS audit Republicans, on the basis of their opposition to the divine leadership of Hillary and Bill Clinton.

John said...

That's odd. This post was up for about 3 minutes then disappeared.

I wanted to ask J if she (he?) was this J.

http://www.amazon.com/Sensuous-Woman-J/dp/B003FJPOD6/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315257183&sr=1-3

Michael said...

J is a lightweight as evidenced by his boring comments here and the shallow "blog" he maintains. Thin thinker.

Scott said...

@Bruce Hayden: Hear, hear!

Trooper York said...

Actually J is an acquried taste with a strong opinion and a unique way of presenting it. He has a point of view and is trying to find a way to express in his jazzy improv style. I know that the personal attacks can be annoying but who am I to critize that since I love personal attacks my ownself.

I like to hear someone who thinks so much differently than me. You need both sugar and mustard. You shouldn't get caught up in his name calling. It's just a motif like garage's idoicy and Cedarffords anti-semitism.

He brings a lot to the blog in my humble opinion. Another voice that we should here. Just sayn'

Bruce Hayden said...

Another similarity between the Nazis and the present Administration, along with the "progressives" that staff it and put it into power - gun control.

The Nazis very quickly disarmed their populace after coming to power. How else could they expect to be able to exterminate entire ethnic groups without getting shot when they show up at the door of those to be exterminated?

The Germans, being German, apparently quite happily turned over their guns when told to. The progressives here are having a bit more of a problem.

The problem is that in order for a socialist government to succeed, it must monopolize the mechanisms of force and violence, because it will inevitably diminish the civil liberties and economic wealth of the majority to benefit the minority in power. And, thus, it must have a monopoly of power, so that it can not be effectively resisted by those who do not benefit from the resulting new order.

(And, that is why it is credible that Operation Fast and Furious was the result of an attempt to give guns a bad name, and, ultimately to further limit their availability).

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Folks can buy unfinished ebony legally. I bought a bunch recently for some custom furniture that I had built.

Gibson was buying it illegally.

And, even aspirational talking points can't change the fact that you don't need to be a so-called crony capitalist to get a good deal in America.

Carol_Herman said...

Has there been a tipping point where the republicans have already lost the competition?

Like when Bob Dole got selected back in 1996.

Or Kerry, in 2004.

Or when New Coke tried to replace "the Classic" one.

Given that we seem to be a nation quite divided ... And, you can win the whole pie as soon as you reach a smidgen above 50% ... Why are the republicans running such "vanilla" choices?

I don't see a winnah among them.

I see lots of baggage.

Alex said...

Trooper - J doesn't bring anything substantive. Just filth.

Scott said...

"He brings a lot to the blog in my humble opinion. Another voice that we should here."

@TrooperYork: Yeah, calling people "Jewboy" or "queer" really brings a lot to the blog. A lot of what, though?

I mean, when I get called those things, I find it difficult to respond to or even discern anything substantive that he might be struggling to say. He's like the screaming child in the supermarket. You can try to speak in normal tones with your spouse in front of the canned English peas, but then the child's scream just stops conversation dead.

In a small child, a scream is at least excusable. In an adult,flooding the zone with invective isn't.

So no, he doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table, and he doesn't deserve any respect.

wv: stoic

Scott said...

"Gibson was buying it illegally."

No, they probably weren't. At worst, the documentation was messed up. By most accounts they demonstrated good faith.

Scott said...

@Carol: Too early to tell, don't you think?

JAL said...

Somewhere above someone was tweaking the Professor: Oh, yeah....he [Obama] was the rational choice.

No. He was the "seemingly normal" choice.

There's a difference.

NYTNewYorker said...

"@Carol: Too early to tell, don't you think?"

Oh no, SHE KNOWS!

Scott said...

Eh, speculation is fun. Just like speculating whether Paul Ryan is interested in the vice presidency.

NYTNewYorker said...

It sure is and the reason we're all here I guess.

Carol_Herman said...

Actually, I think the train flew off the tracks. And, there's mounting evidence that there's been lost opportunities!

It's not too early to tell you need more flavors than just vanilla.

And, Obama's actually pretty secure in the knowledge that he'll win another term.

It's not too early to tell.

Why is there so much anger in Iowa?

When Truman (in 1948) was dealing with poor polling numbers ... He got onto a train. And, "whistle stopped." Truman found the Heartland. Probably, because he knew it!

Dewey, on the other hand, knew how to dress well!

It's not the skills you need to win.

And, anger is just a waste of energy.

Carol_Herman said...

"Crony Capitalism" ...

When Sarah Palin said this and then she said we need to drill in the USA ... I thought, GEE, BUT THAT BENEFITS BIG OIL, DOESN'T IT?

Don't think you can just go into your backyard and dig a well.

Once, though. Wells made a few families in America very rich! Some even lived in Oklahoma!

The political class isn't going anywhere!

And, the religious pulpits aren't going to be supplying America with the choices that get people elected.

Why are the republicans in the pickle they're in?

No. I have no solutions.

Maybe, it's the price of lip service that needs to be played to the right? The democraps don't have this problem.

Chuck66 said...

Bruce H, as someone who worked in corporate accounting for large companies, I can confirm what you say. My employers gave money to whoever was in office, Republican and Democrat, in order to buy access to the office holder. Then they could get legislation passed that was at least somewhat less harmful (say, limits on debit card fees for example).

Teachers and Unions need to learn how to grease both wheels.

They also got free money to build a facility, such as a distribution center.

But on the other hand, they also saw the bad things gov't did. All the laws and regulations and race baiting and fake but accurate lawsuits that costs company millions and millions a year in wasted money.

It's crony capitalism and socialism.

Scott said...

"And, Obama's actually pretty secure in the knowledge that he'll win another term."

I hope he feels secure -- right up to election day, when he loses.

Then we'll watch a mortifying string of executive orders and pardons that show America what progressivism is all about.

Then inauguration day will come. President Ron Paul and Vice President Kinky Friedman will be sworn in.

And Former President Obama will supplement his $200,000/year pension by giving obscenely expensive addresses to obscure foreign groups of wealthy crony capitalists.

J said...
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Alex said...

J - you're truly a disgusting, filthy, pig of a troll. You don't deserve anything better. Oh and Rush Limbaugh is a brilliant analyst, so go fuck yourself.

Ralph L said...

And Former President Obama will supplement his $200,000/year pension by getting Ayers to write another autobiography for him.

Scott said...

Honest to God, who the fuck cares.

Scott said...

Ralph L: Ayers didn't get paid what he deserved.

Alex said...

I noticed J mentioned "carnival barkers". Picking up his talking points from Obambi? I knew left wingers had no capability of original thought, but this is extreme.

Scott said...

Yeah, juvenile ad hominems like "Jewboy" or "queer". You mendacious hypocrite.

Except that progressives call hypocrisy "irony." It makes the cognitive dissonance a little less shrill sounding when you remove the moral component.

I wouldn't be you for a whole pile of money. Not for all the money in the world.

Alex said...

Yeah, juvenile ad hominems like "Jewboy" or "queer". You mendacious hypocrite.

Ah yes. But according to Trooper, it's all very charming. You know what - FUCK Trooper York for enabling this creep.

J said...
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Alex said...

J - if Rush wasn't so busy dining out at a $200/night steakhouse he'd sue your pathetic ass for slander. It's the lowest of the low to throw out charges of pedophilia.

So Trooper - you find THAT charming?

J said...
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Alex said...

yr the creep Alex, illiterate bag of trash.

As will be proven soon, trash. Like piss test this week, libertarian tweek trash. Getting yr dope, yr kiddie porn, yr illegal weapons.


Get that? That's supposed to be considering class-AAA charming by the likes of Trooper York.

cubanbob said...

Bruce Hayden said...

What more resembles the current situation is Peronism.
At the rate we are going we will become Argentina. And that is not a good thing.

Trooper: unlike other commenters here of a progressive bent J is beyond the pale. Cedaford the anti-semite is nearly there but J is beyond the pale.

Scott said... I don't speak German so Ican't comment on your entire translation but I do know enough that I didn't call him a communist MoFo. I did say its too bad his prostitute mother didn't have an abortion. He likes to throw bad spanish in his rants so just for giggles I told him to to eff of and die in spanish among other things.

Scott said... Ron Paul as president and Kinky Friedman as VP now that is sight worth seeing. Can you imagine Cederford and J at the "they ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore" sing-along?

J said...
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Alex said...

Trooper is fucking scum for enabling other scum. He's on my shitlist.

Scott said...

The Moving Finger writes;
and, having writ, Moves on:
nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

J said...
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Alex said...

This site already listed as terrorist (even with Feds)

LOL - now I know you're on drugs.

J said...
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J said...
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Alex said...

No, yr on dope, Alex wicca grrl. Buh bye, occultish atheist scum

LOL - more drug talk. I'm a wiccan and atheist at the same time. Now I'm starting to feel sorry for J, like I do for all mentally ill types.

Scott said...

@cubanbob: Did you go over to translate.google.com and try it? Sometimes their xlations aren't even in the ballpark. Try translating something from Spanish into German and then back into Spanish again.

Yes, the world would be a better place if we had a vice-president named "Kinky." Maybe it would convince people not to take it all too fucking seriously.

(Cubans are so hot. Tell me, what is your secret?)

Revenant said...

Why would Ryan want to be Vice-President?

J said...
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Scott said...

@Rev: Exactly. Unless he wanted to check out of politics on a high note, of course.

Ralph L said...

Why did LBJ?

Did he like warm piss?

John said...

Scott,

I had not even thought of Kinky Friedman being on the ticket.

Paul/Friedman or Friedman/Paul?

Decisions, decisions. I could live happily with either arrangement.

John Henry

Julie C said...

As someone who doesn't comment much on politics at Althouse, I must say I am most impressed by "J". His/her comments are measured, intelligent, thoughtful, and by far some of the most articulate on this blog. I have read every comment and absorbed the meaning and find myself thinking differently about political matters all thanks to the deep thinking J.

Bravo!

J said...
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Bruce Hayden said...

What more resembles the current situation is Peronism.
At the rate we are going we will become Argentina. And that is not a good thing
.

Are you surprised then that the Perons showed a lot of sympathy for Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy?

John said...

Hey J, you hurt my feelings.

It is not "John", It is John, as in John Henry.

Unlike you, I am not afraid to write here or anywhere else in cyberspace under my own name. Been doing it for more than 20 years.

Easy enough to find me if you Google. When you do, you will find out my physical address and my cell#.

It's all been out there since '89 in a wide variety of fora I host and participate in.

Never felt a need to be anonymous. Never had a problem.

What about you? Why are you "J"? What are you scared of?

John Henry

John said...

Keep it up, Folks, I think we are getting to her.

J sounds like she is about to have an apoplectic seizure.

Just a little bit more chaffing...

John Henry

Bruce Hayden said...

Now, that's stupidity, with a capital S. Hayek's a laughing stock for pro. economists (even slightly conservative ones)--another gold standard libertarian who thinks if you just ..let the rich do what they want, everything will work out.

So, are you admitting that Nobel Laureates are not omniscient? If, so, lets start the laughing with former Enron advisor Paul Krugman, and his repeated claims that if we had just doubled down on the "stimulus", we wouldn't be in this recession.

The reason that Hayek's book reverberates is that it was written while these socialist regimes were at their heights. Not, 60 years later, after much of the socialism has been written out through revisionism by progressive historians and economists uncomfortable with the reality of what was going on.

His message is still valid today - that socialism naturally and inevitably begets authoritarian repression, often at the point of a gun. His three examples were, you guessed it, the Soviet Union under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, and Italy under Mussolini. The academics trying to prove otherwise just beclown themselves.

John said...

BTW:

Reading J here and on her blog, I don't think she is Hispanic.

She seems much more likely to be Mexican or perhaps Honduran.

Got a green card, J?


John Henry

Scott said...

Hi Julie C., who wrote:

"As someone who doesn't comment much on politics at Althouse, I must say I am most impressed by "J". His/her comments are measured, intelligent, thoughtful, and by far some of the most articulate on this blog. I have read every comment and absorbed the meaning and find myself thinking differently about political matters all thanks to the deep thinking J.

Bravo!"


For your benefit, I have posted a mashup of J's most measured, intelligent, thoughtful, and articulate comments on this thread. Unfortunately, J deleted the anti-semitic ones directed at me. It's hard to imagine that his self-censorship was motivated by shame rather than mere expediency, but whatever. Maybe he will repost his Jew-baiting just for you. Enjoy.

=====[measured, intelligent, thoughtful commentary follows]=====

Prez?? Heh. Ryan should run for like Randian assclown of America. RAA! A is, indubitably, A.

Heh. You mean... neo-fascist Randian assclowns-- like Ryan, and you, Scott-tard, and the Smurfhouse

C-bob-- yr too stupid to be online trash, where yr life is in jeopardy, mafia swine

got that, tough teabagger trash

This pro-Ryan post is probably via orders from RushBo, carney-perp-in-chief

Actually Squat, yr wrong again--Im an anti-idiot . When some illiterate biz major jaggoff--ie, you-- starts calling nazis progressives--that tends to irk reasonable people. Same effect when reading some brainfarts by like Goldberg, or Snouthammer, Ryan, most A-tards

yr wrong again like yr dyslexic hero Goldberg. Nationalism is not socialism. You don't know fuck about Hegel or Marx anyway. The nazis had banks, allowed the aristocrats, were capitalist. Not bolsheviks, dumbass.

No, Alex dumbass--like the demonic POS Goldberg, you simply don't know fuck about WWII, or world politics. Nazis may have been statists--then so is the USA, and most govts. Not bolsheviks, dreck. --they hated the marxists . But no use trying to explain shit to white trash who think Ron Paul or Sarah Klondike are reasonable people.

Yo Alex the demonic bag of teabag shit---I didn't claim republicans are nazis. garag did. There might be some wannabes--Mitt Romneytoids, even some Paultards--but they're too stupid and incompetent to be nazis---see Althouse for examples .

Anyone who takes some bag of dreck like Goldberg seriously doesn't know jack about politics.

Really there's no point in arguing with humans infected with the "Ayn Rand disorder", garag.

Sedatives about the only hope for A-tards.

yo Cuban bob--you bag of lying human filth, Rush Limbaugh pedophile-- fuck yrself yid, hijo de puto, satanist . Got that, teabag anti-chirst swine? I piss on yr mama's face,puerco

and ...like coward--Ill be getting yr IP pronto perp

hat's that Scott the satanist?

You're trying to write, but everything you say is a lie, queer. Like yr bag of white trash leader Limblow

Im opposed to Coulter, and to all GOP mafia-TP scum. Including the phony neo-nazi trash that you're fantasizing about

Maguro said...

J is a chick? That puts the whole "benchpressing 400lbs" thing in a whole new light.

B said...

'Yr on the shitlist, Alex wicca skank
like LA DA;s shitlist...'

Sure, shithead. The LA DA would be far more interested in people who disagree with you, than your own threats of physical violence - including shooting people.

Not that any competent DA, would consider your hissy fits anything more than we do here - another internet dweeb's tough guy delusions.

And Trooper, he adds nothing whatsoever to any conversation that's worth the cost of trying to decipher his disjointed rants or wading through his verbal diarrhea. You need to up your game considerably if you think he does. The guy is pitiable. Don't enable him.

Carol_Herman said...

What if Roe V. Wade gave the democrats the real advantage?

The real loons tend to wrap themselves around PROHIBITION ... only to lose the political theater contest.

While running uphill the republicans tend to fall down.

What if November 2012 isn't about Obama? But about the "other thing?" About how republicans can misfire? What then?

John said...

Yeah, Maguro.

I am working on getting a picture. For the moment, based on her ethnicity, I like to picture her as about 5' tall by 5' wide with a very healthy mustache.

Don't get in a fight with her. She is like a Weeble and we all know that "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down"

John Henry

Julie C said...

See Scott? The brilliance just leaps right out at you now that you've collected it together!

I can see the book cover now... "The Collected Deep Thoughts of J" - complete with spittle flecks and perhaps a cover photo of J, face contorted with anger.

John said...

No, Julie.

The book to picture is "The Sensuous Woman" by J. Circa 1971, still available on Amazon.

Although the word sensuous and the 5' X 5' image I have of J just don't compute.

John Henry

Scott said...

Actually, Julie C., you're on to something! I bet Judith Regan will be knocking on J's door shortly. She loves books like that. I'm sure it will be at least as well-written as Matt Drudge's book.

Scott said...

John Henry: This book is much better. I think there must be some applicability to blogging.

Or something.

somefeller said...

His message is still valid today - that socialism naturally and inevitably begets authoritarian repression, often at the point of a gun. His three examples were, you guessed it, the Soviet Union under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, and Italy under Mussolini. The academics trying to prove otherwise just beclown themselves.

Actually, the people beclowning themselves are the ones comparing the economy in the US today to the economies of totalitarian states. And incidentally, Hayek was not opposed to some level of a social safety net, which is all that's on the table with Obama or anyone else in the political mainstream.

Michael said...

Trooper. I admire your open mind and your comments are both witty and biting. But you do improvisational jazz a very bad turn by comparing J's hideous attempt to be Joycean or noir to jazz which is premised on honesty. His "riffs" are a comlilation of wikipedia insights, fake Spanish and left field puking of misunderstood philosophical tracts. Even early in the day the posts are shallow and devolve as the time passes. Y.ou are a very thoughtful poster who is very supportive of open dialogue and have stood behind some real assholes in a very helpful way. But i know jazz and J Is not up to the art.

ic said...

A truly doggedly on-task type guy makes a better President than the One who whined about being talked about like a dog.

Scott said...

I think the progressive and libertarian clusters talk past each other because to progressives, it's about personality (Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini) while for libertarians it's about process and institutions. Progressives can't seem to wrap their minds around the notion that fascism and naziism are about philosophies independent of the persons who promoted them -- philosophies very much like their own in terms of means and ends.

The progressives whine that their violent demonstrations and overheated rhetoric can't be like that of Hitler or Mussolini because, well, they're not them. This defense seems silly to people in the libertarian cluster, who can see all of the millions who got in the way of the progressive vision, and paid for it with their lives.

Personality cults are very much part of the progressive mindset. This is a huge blind spot. They can't see the danger.

Trooper York said...

Back in the day we used to go to this bar on Court St called Cousins. What wsa different about it was it wasn't the usual neighborhood gin mill with a bunch of guineas and micks farting and earting hard boiled eggs. There were hot latin chicks and nurses from Long Island College Hospital and black chicks with Angela Davis afros and an attitude.

They had a stand up piano and had jazz every night. Often they hired young girls just starting out in the music business. There is nothing like listening to a skinny young white girl fresh from Kansas singing Billie Holiday. She wanted to have soul but didn't have the esperiance. So she warbled in the background while you tried to pick up chicks at the bar.

You see it's all jazz. It might be bad jazz. Sad jazz. Not to your taste. But she might have got better. You have to give people a chance. Just my opinion.

garage mahal said...

This defense seems silly to people in the libertarian cluster

That's because that cluster is your brain, and it's made entirely of broccoli.

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Scott said...

Hey, if you can't face it, be glib.

John said...
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pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Scott,

Seriously, you expect that tripe to be taken seriously?

Seriously?


Maybe you expected this:

"Oh Scott you're sooooooo smart. Yes we progressives in America are on the verge of mass murder of all opposition, not to mention many others too.

Can I have your autograph, so that I can prove I knew you before the world came to worship your brilliant insights?"


Idiot



P.S. You fools can go on and on w/ your hyperbolic blather, but all you can see is that J seems to have tourette syndrome.

Sheesh.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

P.S.

Congrats on the new house!

Sincerely.

Carol_Herman said...

What if in June 2012, the Supreme's kick Obamacare out of the box?

The Commerce Clause is there. It's being used to justify individual mandates. Wrong on its face?

A job for THIS supreme court to make a reputation for itself as being in the vanguard of the Constitution?

Then there's the likelihood that lots of Americans are in the habit of "splitting tickets?" What's the edge for McConnell becoming Majority Leader? What if the numbers are really close?

The democraps are "happy" to go "along with socialism?" REALLY?

Again, we've got 50 separate states. They're not uniform. But rather a haphazard puzzle.

True. You don't get rid of the czars in such a picture.

And, Obama to gain a victory, he has to promise "cuts." Jobs? What a fiasco! Except for putting the draft back in, the government doesn't create jobs.

You're putting a lot of weight on Obama being hated. Overlooking how the republicans get received; as a general rule.

And, how politicians LOVE pork!

Paul Ryan ain't a condendah!

And, a good way to lose is to look like social security becomes another pot to pork.

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