June 9, 2011

"So we know that Congressman Weiner talked dirty to Lisa Weiss about fighting for the country in his cape and tights."

"And we know that an underaged girl, who loved Congressman Weiner, apparently quoted him talking about fighting for the country in his cape and tights."

If Weiner never talked about "cape and tights" publicly, the appearance of a "cape and tights" quote in a young girl's Tumblr writings is probative of private communications between the 2.

96 comments:

A.Worthing said...

and there is more to come... getting popcorn.

deborah said...

Enough! We've seen the money shot, time to move on.

Mark O said...

Breitbart likely already has the evidence. But, it's his fault. Without him, this family (assuming there really is a child on the way) would not be ruined.

Anthony is merely a pawn. Poor, perverted, maybe criminal pawn.

Phil 3:14 said...

I'm sure NevadaBob's on top of this.

TMink said...

Mark O, so it is not the person who makes the bad choice, but the person who exposes that choice who is to blame? Cool. I hope I can get your bank account number. I will be very subtle and evade detection and you will be cool with that.

Trey

Martin L. Shoemaker said...

Trey,

I was pretty sure Mark O was being sarcastic.

rdkraus said...

probative?

LOL. Good lawyer word.

Two points.

Patrick said...

Oh boy, can't wait to hear the defenders on this one...

I guess one of the worst parts of this is that he will actually have defenders.

pbAndj said...

Do we know that he talked dirty to Lisa about fighting for the country in hero garb? Could you also say that he talked dirty about being clever? And, he talked dirty about having a functional computer?

All three of those things were discussed before the sex part of the conversation occurred.

Patrick said...

I swear, I thought she was 18!!!

Old Dad said...

Underage girle were always this pervs target. He apparently thought his high school year book photo on Facebook would look selfdeprecating--see look at the putz--but he's working out some sick revenge fantasy on all the girls who dissed him then.

pbAndj said...

Old Dad,

Interesting how you, so specifically, can get into the mind of this guy.

Martin L. Shoemaker said...

In which I offer a very slight defense of Rep. Weiner...

What he did was pretty scummy. I grant that. But it's believable that he might not have known the ages of those females with whom he did it. People do lie about their ages online sometimes.

Of course, there's a REALLY sure way to never find yourself accidentally sexting with underage women: DON'T SEXT WITH WOMEN YOU MEET ON THE INTERNET, YOU FREAKING PERVERT!

Old Dad said...

pbAndj:

You apparently don't have daughters or scruples.

Browndog said...

Clearly Weener does indeed possesses super-human traits.

Most who have bad judgement have bad judgement.

Not Weener.

He has bad judgement until he has good judgement. Which is usually exhibited by frothing rants in front of a camera.

ask any lib....

Rose said...

Reading his convos, it seems he gets off on talking about Republicans. especially the mention of certain names gets him hot.

Weird.

Lincolntf said...

Mark O, we're talking about Patterico, not Breitbart. Breitbart is not a part of this portion of the investigation as far as I can tell. Patterico, on the other hand, speaks with the assurance of someone who's holding a Royal Flush. Maybe he's bluffing, but I doubt it. Pretty stupid to act out the "drip, drip, drip.." method if you don't have any coffee.

XWL said...

As far as I can tell, both Huma "Hillary's Body Woman" Abedin and Anthony "Junkshot" Weiner have been in 'public service' their entire careers.

Neither should be particularly rich, yet as Huma reappeared today she's carrying a very expensive Hermes bag ($20k+).

I want to see a receipt for that bag, and I want to know where she got the money to pay for it. If it was given as a gift, that's a bribe to a public official, and if it's a Hillary hand me down, and she didn't declare it as income, it's tax evasion. That bag has much bigger scandal potential than her husband's twig and berries.

That bag represents the slimy way which not only the elected 'public servants' enrich themselves, but their staffs do as well.

Scott M said...

This entire, distasteful episode just reinforces my long-standing decision to never use the internet.

pbAndj said...

Old Dad,

I certainly wouldn't have come up w/ your suggested Weiner motivation. I'm not saying that it's impossible to believe your thinking. But, I wouldn't have come up w/ that scenario, I think differently than you do. Just sayin'

P.S. Are you saying that you thought about "some sick revenge fantasy on all the girls who dissed him then," because you have girls? How does that help you think this way?

Freeman Hunt said...

Hasn't Huma been Hillary's aide?

I know how much the aide of another, similarly prominent politician makes, and it is a hell of a lot.

rdkraus said...

"public service"

Those words don't mean what you think they mean.

Scott M said...

Those words don't mean what you think they mean.

I think that was simply a typo, rk. He meant "pubic service".

Lincolntf said...

pband J, are you just playing stupid? Read the transcript of Weiner cyber-fucking that scrunt in Vegas. He talks/types/texts like a horny high-school kid. Re-living his miserable adolescence seems like a pretty good reason for that. Why do you think he reverts to tweenspeak when he's trying to score chicks? So he can snag the real sophisticates? Of course not, he likes them young, dumb or blindly indoctrinated. It gets him off. Read the transcripts.

RuyDiaz said...

The Weiner is finding it progressively more difficult to hang in there.

Ricardo said...

" ... and if it's a Hillary hand me down, and she didn't declare it as income, it's tax evasion."

What's the annual limit on personal gifts to an individual? $10k, 11k? If the value is lower, it could fall under this exemption, and not be reportable. That's assuming it came from Hilary in the first place.

pbAndj said...

"he likes them young, dumb or blindly indoctrinated. It gets him off. Read the transcripts."

So does Hefner. Is he also seeking revenge on girls who dissed him in highs school?

nana said...

It is Internet Safty Month and this is one of Weiners causes.

deborah said...

Too close to home, pj?

Lincolntf said...

Yeah, pbandj, Hefner = Weiner. You'll say anything, no matter how asinine, to protect that aspiring pedophile, won't you?

RuyDiaz said...

Ricardo;

It is 13k, 26k per couple, per individual. There is also a lifetime cap. It's not that much money for the 'rich', but useful for transfering small states to your children and grandchildren, tax free.

Lem said...

If Julia Child miraculously came back to lime, she would not be able to save the Weiner.

traditionalguy said...

A study of Narcissism teaches us that it is not about wanting attention. It is about controlling one's image in the minds of others. Their power trip comes from making other people see a false personality that makes false claims to have power to destroy them. Once their mask slips around loyal supporters, that supporter must agree to go along with the false personality or be viciously attacked to be gotten rid of them. As a result, a Narcissist has few friends left except for his victims. Therefore the Weiner Man will hang on to his US Congressman's appearance of power at all costs.

Lem said...

I meant to lfe.. limelight?

RuyDiaz said...

So does Hefner. Is he also seeking revenge on girls who dissed him in highs school?

Actually, Hefner would be looking for revenge on the wife who cheated on him.

Snark aside, I agree with you: Old Dad's reading is not warranted by the facts. More than anything else, Weiner seems to have had a weird sexual habit.

Scott M said...

Is he also seeking revenge on girls who dissed him in highs school?

You have to assume that Hef was dissed in HS for that to work. In any case, he's old enough and bimbo'd enough to have long since grown out of that need. Der Weinerr, on the other hand...

Alex said...

pbandJ - do you realize what deep shit Der Weiner is in?

E.M. Davis said...

I know how much the aide of another, similarly prominent politician makes, and it is a hell of a lot.

No wonder we have such a lovely deficit.

RuyDiaz said...

Enough! We've seen the money shot, time to move on.

Hey deborah, great sentiment. Perhaps you should start a website promoting that message. You may call it MoveOn.org.

Preston said...

I'm wondering which is worse for Weiner: to resign his House seat or Huma to resign her position in his family? This has to be misery for her.

DKWalser said...

"What he did was pretty scummy. I grant that. But it's believable that he might not have known the ages of those females with whom he did it. People do lie about their ages online sometimes."

The problem with this defense is the girl in question (if I'm following the scorecard correctly) started a public campaign to get Weiner to be her high school prom date. Since there aren't too many adults who plan on attending their high school's prom, you'd think her campaign might have caused Weiner to ask: How old is she really? No?

Carol_Herman said...

Well, weiner is now saying his wife is pregnant. So his masturbation fantasies didn't get in the way, huh?

I wonder if hillary shot the kid in using her old turkey bulb baster?

Not that it isn't a valid way to impregnate a woman, married to a man, who doesn't make conception easy.

You heard about Monica's stained blue dress. But I've always wondered if Monica didn't bring t

he "stain" to a specialist. To learn if sperm there had a living chance, or not. (They didn't. Bill Clinton had mumps when he was young.)

And, for all I know, weiner's next set up is to accuse Breitbart of causing his wife to miscarry.

Why would a 35 year old woman, pregnant for the first time, want to undergo all those vaccinations to make a trip to Libya "safe enough?"

This whole story doesn't gel right.

Carol_Herman said...

Did you know the MSM all had the weinger photo? Breitbart TV has up a "view" with Barbara Walters ... who said she say the penile erection last week. It was for "insiders" only. And, the MSM wasn't gonna publish.

Breitbart didn't either.

For Gawker, a profit booster.

For blame? There's always Breitbart.

And, IF it turns out he scares women into miscarrying ... you won't need abortion clinics. Just hang Breitbart's picture up, instead. Don't even use condoms.

RuyDiaz said...

No wonder we have such a lovely deficit.

No. That is not the reason at all. Neither is 'fraud and waste'. Geez.

pbAndj said...

Alex,

I was never a Weiner defender. At the very beginning of this I expressed shock that he could be so stupid, but I never denied that that he could be so stupid.

And, I quickly moved from that somewhat ambiguous Weiner position, to a firm Weiner position, I'm not a Tony backer.

Scott M said...

And, I quickly moved from that somewhat ambiguous Weiner position, to a firm Weiner position

Does your Weiner position bend slightly to one side?

Pogo said...

Just imagine the other undiscovered gems among the remaining Congressmen.

And then think: These are the people who want to run health care in the USA.

What could possibly go wrong?

AllenS said...

Is there a difference between an aide and an intern?

Mary Beth said...

XWL - Neither should be particularly rich, yet as Huma reappeared today she's carrying a very expensive Hermes bag ($20k+).

In the picture with Huma and Weiner holding hands the bag she is carrying looks the same as the one that Hillary has in another photo. Perhaps they just share handbags. (That's weird to me but this whole thing is weird.)

DKWalser said...

"What's the annual limit on personal gifts to an individual? $10k, 11k? If the value is lower, it could fall under this exemption, and not be reportable. That's assuming it came from Hilary in the first place."

There are two different taxes in play here, the gift tax and the income tax. The annual exclusion for gift tax purposes is $13,000. That annual exclusion does NOT apply for income tax purposes. And, for gifts from an employer to an employee, a gift is considered taxable income. See Internal Revenue Code Sec. 102(c).

Carol_Herman said...

Look at the article! First off, the bag ain't worth $20K. And, second of all ... in the photos provided ... if you scroll down ... You'll see Hillary with a bag ... That Huma carried into her "posing" with her husband ... in Brooklyn, or Queens ... A set up ... done ... With HILLARY'S BAG waving on her arm!

Here's what I'm saying:

These women are using the same closet!

And, the bags? YOU'd pay $20K ... but Hillary gets them FOR FREE!

Pregnant woman in Dubai sure looks like she's got great hips ... meant to "carry." Women with hips like that can be 6 months pregnant, and you wouldn't see a bulge.

Take this story with a grain of salt!

Weiner's wiener has been in newsrooms across the USA. (The people who are on the inside LAUGH harder when they think they control the news. And, what they see is something you'll never see.)

Until "uh-oh" happens.

Check out the two bags! (Um. Not just Hillary and Huma. But the bags that are on their arms. And, see if you don't see the "switcheroo.")

Would you want a pregnant woman to carry such a heavy weight? I ask, would you? There's a security guy who is carrying NOTHING! Is this because his badge is so heavy?

Fen said...

Patterico, on the other hand, speaks with the assurance of someone who's holding a Royal Flush.

He's also the one who led a one-man crusade to protect the identity of these girls.

XWL said...

This old story from the New York Observer on Huma has some interesting new resonances, from the piece:

Representative Anthony Weiner, a swingingly single Brooklyn Democrat who has known Ms. Abedin since before Hillary Clinton was elected to office, talked about her ability to perform under pressure “preternaturally.”

“This notion that Senator Clinton is a cool customer—I mean, I don’t dispute it, but the coolest customer in that whole operation is Huma,” said the Congressman, who watched Ms. Abedin in action earlier this month at the internationally covered march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Ala.

Crossing the bridge was a logistical minefield: huge crowds to navigate, innumerable V.I.P.’s—including former President Clinton—to hand-hold, countless photo ops to facilitate and a strict timetable to keep. “There were a hundred things that could have gone wrong,” Mr. Weiner recalled. “And Huma was sort of the all-purpose trouble-shooter of first response. It was a tour de force, and what was most impressive is that she maintained a level head the whole time.”

He added: “In fact, I think there’s some dispute as to whether Huma’s actually human or not.”
"

And from the same article, there's this about Huma and fashion:

"According to a friend, her favorite designers are Mr. de la Renta, Catherine Malandrino, Charles Nolan and Prada. “And she has a weakness for Marc Jacobs bags,” said the friend. “She is known for her bags.”

Robert Barnett, the Clintons’ longtime attorney, said that in 11 years of knowing her, he has never seen her wear the same outfit twice. He also said he holds Ms. Abedin’s intellect in the highest regard. “She has extremely good instincts and extremely good judgment,” he said. “She is also gorgeous and the most terrifically dressed young woman you will ever encounter.”
"

Someone whose only jobs have been as part of the retinue of a First Lady and Senator (to that point) shouldn't be able to afford that kind of life style.

The founders seemed to have intended government work to be a hardship that only those dedicated to public service would be willing to endure, and generally not for very long. This lifetime of well compensated 'service' for not only the elected officials, but for their unelected staff as well, distorts everything they do, and drags the rest of the economy down.

Ann Althouse said...

"probative? LOL. Good lawyer word. Two points."

I should get double points for the resonance with "Pelosi Wants a Weiner Probe" in an earlier post today. There's often a lot of subtle word play going from post to post. In the future, a blogologist will write her dissertation about this.

Ann Althouse said...

"Why would a 35 year old woman, pregnant for the first time, want to undergo all those vaccinations to make a trip to Libya "safe enough?""

Good question!

Martin L. Shoemaker said...

DKWalser said...

The problem with this defense is the girl in question (if I'm following the scorecard correctly) started a public campaign to get Weiner to be her high school prom date.

I missed that part! I was wrong, and I withdraw my qualified defense. This is bad.

deborah said...

Maybe Huma should begin a MoveOut campaign?

If she made any mistake it was forming an alliance with someone so stupid. But I guess she was banking on the first part of the following assessment:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/36666?in=06:55&out=07:18

Clyde said...

@ PB&J

"he likes them young, dumb or blindly indoctrinated. It gets him off. Read the transcripts."

'So does Hefner. Is he also seeking revenge on girls who dissed him in highs school?'

Naw, Hef's just looking for the Fountain of Youth, only he wants to screw it rather than drink from it.

Which brings to mind the Keith Richards line from the latest Pirates of the Caribbean movie: "Does this look like the face of someone who's been drinking from the Fountain of Youth?"

No, and no.

Martha said...

Huma is apparently independently wealthy-- she dresses haute couture, her wedding dress was made by famous designer especially for her to show off the necklace which is a family heirloom, she bought $600,000+ DC condo a few years ago etc. Etc.

Clearly Huma does not live on the salary one would earn as one of Hillary's staff.

Patrick said...

"I should get double points for the resonance with "Pelosi Wants a Weiner Probe" in an earlier post today. There's often a lot of subtle word play going from post to post. In the future, a blogologist will write her dissertation about this."

That's why I think debating this clown (sorry all other clowns) would be so fun. think of all the shots!

Patrick said...

"I should get double points for the resonance with "Pelosi Wants a Weiner Probe" in an earlier post today. There's often a lot of subtle word play going from post to post. In the future, a blogologist will write her dissertation about this."

That's why I think debating this clown (with apologies to clowns) would be so fun. think of all the possible shots.

Patrick said...

Blogger thinks I'm more persuasive if I repeat myself.

jamboree said...

@ pbAndj

No he was originally seeking revenge on the first woman that left him back when he believed in fidelity. He's been surprisingly open about that in interviews.

Now he's just a cocaine and viagra animated cadaver so it doesn't much matter.

I'm with OldDad. It's very very common. Just look at the guy. It couldn't have been easy for him. He has unfinished psycho-sexual business.

jamboree said...

Last post referencing @pbAndj 's comment about Hefner.

deborah said...

""Why would a 35 year old woman, pregnant for the first time, want to undergo all those vaccinations to make a trip to Libya "safe enough?""

Good question!"

As and aide to the Secretary of State, I would imagine Huma had all necessary immunizations long before she became pregnant.

Freeman Hunt said...

Someone whose only jobs have been as part of the retinue of a First Lady and Senator (to that point) shouldn't be able to afford that kind of life style.

I agree.

But the politician's aide whose salary I know makes $250,000 per year. Huma may make even more.

E.M. Davis said...

The problem with this defense is the girl in question (if I'm following the scorecard correctly) started a public campaign to get Weiner to be her high school prom date.

This does indeed implore a criminal investigation.

E.M. Davis said...

But the politician's aide whose salary I know makes $250,000 per year. Huma may make even more.

You know, we thought ourselves so clever when we threw off the shackles of the royal monarchy lo many years ago ...

We have made government too lucrative of a business.

windbag said...

But the politician's aide whose salary I know makes $250,000 per year. Huma may make even more.

Especially if you factor in the cattle futures options.

kent said...

And, I quickly moved from that [...] to a firm Weiner position

TMI. ;)

damikesc said...

Hmm, the Post and NYT had no stomach for Weiner...but are actively asking for help in going through Palin emails?

A.Worthing said...
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A.Worthing said...

deborah

> Enough! We've seen the money shot, time to move on.

really? even if it turns out he was doing this with underage girls, too?

deborah said...

Oh, I guess not. Put it down to Weiner fatigue.

edutcher said...

Since any kind of sex contact with underage girls over the Internet is very Federal, the Demos really risk hanging themselves with him if they don't forget their mantra that the rules only apply to republicans.

They really don't want to get tarred with this going into an election.

deborah said...

Technically, the boxer-briefs one was beyond the pale, he was aroused for heaven's sake, but we're going to hell in a hand basket, anyway.

Shanna said...

But the politician's aide whose salary I know makes $250,000 per year. Huma may make even more.

That girl screams “family money”. Her salary is just gravy.

Revenant said...

I don't see any reason to believe that using the same metaphor with two different people means you had the same kind of relationship with those same two people.

JAL said...

@damikesc
Hmm, the Post and NYT had no stomach for Weiner...but are actively asking for help in going through Palin emails?

Completely off topic, you.

But now that you mention it we may end up on another thread about it ...

And my thoughts were --

How about the NYT and the Washington Post going through all Barack Obama's emails and Blackberry messages when he was a state senator and then a US senator?

And get us a look at the Occidental and Columbia and Harvard Law classes and student activities and residence addresses?

Hey! They could even get us the info on what passport he traveld to Pakistan on!

Instead they are reading the 24,000 emails of a woman whose guts they hate because she is soooo stupid that no one in the world (worth their salt) takes seriously. Just a dumb breeder publicity hound.

Makes ya wonder about appropriate uses of resources and their begging for help.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread about how much trouble Weiner is in:

Answer: A lot. A whole lot.

And how poor Huma, a former (1996 -at age 20? 21?) Clinton White House intern, who has serious Saudi Arabian connections, can afford a $20,000 handbag.

Answer: She's independently wealthy. Besides making a boatload of money being Hillary's go to person -- for years.

Just remember - these are the people who represent the interests of the American woman who spends $20 to $200 on her handbags.

As for the marriage -- I thought Carville & Matelin was a bizarre match. This is beats it.

deborah said...

@Rev: True.

roesch-voltaire said...

If only he had scored some real ass like Vitter, he could keep his job and then we could put down this wiener and get on to more important business like of pointing out the double standards?

Scott M said...

That depends, RV, one a couple of things, not the least of which is whether or not any of his textwenches were minors.

nevadabob said...

"I'm sure NevadaBob's on top of this."

Just testing a theory about not commenting.

Not even a "Weiner-sexting-minors" post can get to 100 comments unless I'm contributing.

deborah said...

Ritmo hasn't been around lately.

edutcher said...

roesch-voltaire said...

If only he had scored some real ass like Vitter, he could keep his job and then we could put down this wiener and get on to more important business like of pointing out the double standards?

And we're sure The Weiner didn't get some, how?

Somehow, I'll bet there's a whole lot out there we haven't seen yet.

deborah said...

r-v, do you see any difference between being caught with a prostitute and having nude sex pics broadcast around the world?

Martin L. Shoemaker said...

edutcher said...

Since any kind of sex contact with underage girls over the Internet is very Federal, the Demos really risk hanging themselves with him if they don't forget their mantra that the rules only apply to republicans.

You forget: it's only a Federal offense when Attorney General Holder decides it's a Federal offense. Otherwise, it's not, even if you've already been convicted in a Federal court.

Gene said...

I wish some of the Democratic politicians who are now turning on Weiner would quit acting like the guy molested children and threw puppies out car windows on the Long Island Expressway. His real offense wasn't sending lewd texts to women who happily encouraged him. It was the way he self-righteously lied for a solid week (and only fessed-up when he realized worse was yet to come.)

When some people talk about sex in this country they act as if lewd texting with willing participants is equivalent to forcible rape. That's the same kind of false equivalency we saw during the Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill hearings 20 years ago.

Thomas once asked Hill if that was a pubic hair that he saw on his Coke can and the way he was condemned for that you'd think he'd stuck a toilet plunger in her private parts.

To liberals, apparently, a sexual thought crime is worse than what I would consider a major act of public turpitude--lying to the entire world in an outraged voice for a whole week.

Weiner should resign because he's a habitual liar, not because he likes to send lewd texts to women, who as far as I can tell, are more than happy to get them.

Lombardi Chick said...

I don't see any reason to believe that using the same metaphor with two different people means you had the same kind of relationship with those same two people.

6/9/11 3:45 PM


Ordinarily, I wouldn't either - but I think there are some other red flags happening here. The younger girl, it appears, quoted Weiner talking about "tights and cape shit".

If the relationship is not more personal than what you would expect between a teenager and a congressman, is that the sort of language he would use? Combined with the signals that she was crushing pretty hard on him, don't you find it curious?

If I'm mistaken on the facts, please correct me - but that seems quite odd to me.

From Inwood said...

In Defense of ‘Net Trenchcoat-Flasherey By The Caped Crusader

Ah the time I spent in tweek-ing
The jeuns filles just seemed so sweet-ing
You'll find my defense
Makes so much sense:
There wasn’t any meeting!


Who Knew?

Gee, I thought my ‘net use so swell,
And that I’d be so safe as well
But, alas, Blogs now from MSM a.re free,
And, Oh, the difference to me!

From Inwood said...

OOPS, make that "jeunes filles"

JAFAC said...

I thought it strange that Weiner mentioned in his press conference that he thought they were all of age - when I had not heard of a single accusation of sexual communications with underage individuals. (Even on some of the more right-leaning blogs.)

What Patterico's first 2 postings seem to lead to is indicative of what so many people in this Internet Age get caught in - pleading innocence on things they were not accused of but are guilty of.

Gene said...

Carol Herman: And, for all I know, weiner's next set up is to accuse Breitbart of causing his wife to miscarry.

Boy, wouldn't Barbara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg.

Gene said...

Well, I was trying to say, "Boy, wouldn't Barbara Walters and Whoopie Goldberg love that?"

veni vidi vici said...

Please note: with regard to Anthony Weiner, "cape and tights" = "cock and balls".

Carry on.

Fprawl said...

There used to be a hilarious interchange, cape and tights phone sex bit on the internet.
Well worth looking for, but now outshined by weiner.