May 14, 2011

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Commenter in a ridiculous thread in which Meade challenges people who characterize the voter ID requirement as "Jim Crow" racism.

240 comments:

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DADvocate said...

"Internets"

Is there more than one?

mesquito said...

Had to show my drivers license last weekend when I bought a bike tire with my American Express card. I'm still trembling.

Titus said...

Never let yourself become "overexposed".

bouncing tits.

shiloh said...

So Meade was schooled once again. Nothing to see here.

Henry said...

Speaking of shameless trolling... hi Shiloh!

Milwaukee said...

This is not Jim Crowe like. Those laws were passed by Democrats. Most Blacks in Wisconsin live in cities, and the DMV has several offices near at hand. As for those in rural counties, they have to plan for everything. Mail takes longer, getting to the latest movies takes longer, everything takes longer, except the peace that comes with rural living.

I am disappointed though. I thought Meade reserved his shameless trolling for this site. How would that poster know unless they were stalking the Meade? Hmm, don't ask the police to investigate.

Rock on Ann, I'm glad you're back in business.

chickenlittle said...

The notion of "Jim Crow Wisconsin" is utterly ridiculous.

Come forward you defenders of unchecked voting--come forward and show us that what you're really angry about is a challenge to "business as usual" voter fraud.

chickenlittle said...

I see Shilho is already back at it too.

Kevin Walsh said...

The word "internets" is an ironic usage, since George W. Bush once used the word when referring to the nternet.

www.forgotten-ny.com

Kevin Walsh said...

Sorry. "internet."

www.forgotten-ny.com

Rialby said...

Listen, Democrats scream "racism" because it 1) covers them in moral superiority and 2) pretend this is about hatred of black people. As they know, this has nothing to do with black people and everything to do with 1) preventing foreign citizens from voting in our elections and 2) preventing liberals from continuing to steal elections decade after decade.

Wisconsin has a non-driver ID card like almost every other state. Everyone should have one to conduct the business of their life. Like 'Squito said, you can't do shit without ID.

garage mahal said...

With these shit policies I'd want as few people voting as possible too.

Fuck YOU Wisconsin!

Henry said...

Now that we have Obamacare, maybe to register to vote you have to show your health insurance card.

DADvocate said...

The woman who wrote the article said this in the comments, "You're right, of course, that the provision for free ideas gets the bill around the whole poll tax thing."

She's referring to IDs. Does she know the difference between IDs and ideas? She obviously doesn't respect the right to vote, but sees it as something to be practiced carelessly.

Why don't they take the same position on the right to bear arms? Wisconsin is one of the few states to not allow concealed carry with a license. Why should someone, in any state, have to have a license to carry a gun, concealed or unconcealed. It's a constitutional right, just like voting.

I just finished a concealed carry class in Ohio, cost me $125 and it was the cheapest class I could find. Next, I'll have to pay the state $67.50 for a cc license. How's that different than a poll tax in preventing you from practicing your constitutional rights.

The Jim Crow argument is not in good faith. The lefties want as many of their useful idiots to vote as often as possible, and they'll distort and lie to do it. The picture with the article is far beyond rational argument. People like Emily Mills have no respect for democracy, quite the opposite. The see the democratic process as something to be manipulated and abused to get what they want.

clint said...

Grammatically speaking, doesn't that sentence imply a total confidence in Meade's reliability and honesty?

bgates said...

In order to ensure that you exercise your voting right on polling day, you need the following:

* YOUR new IIEC Elector’s Card and the new generation Identity Card (ID).
* ONLY those who have the new IIEC Elector’s Your Vote, Your Future Card and the new generation ID as it appears in the IIEC Voter Register will be allowed to vote;


-quoted from the website of the Interim Independent Electoral Commission of Kenya.

Freeman Hunt said...

I think black people are just as capable as white people of obtaining IDs.

Partisan liberals don't. How sad. I thought those bad, old attitudes about race were falling away.

edutcher said...

Like mesquito, I had to show my license when I voted a couple of weeks ago.

It's not about Jim Crow, but ACORN.

But we knew that.

chickenlittle said...

I see Shilho is already back at it too.

Did you fat-finger it or did you mean Shillo?

Freeman Hunt said...

So does this mean that Meade is something of an Internet celebrity?

chickenlittle said...

Did you fat-finger it or did you mean Shillo?

I meant Shill-ho!

John0 Juanderlust said...

The fear mongering demagogue who wrote the article is a frightening piece of work.
They seem concerned that people can't be bussed in from outside the state to stack the vote.
Looks like they'll have to settle for licensing people in cemeteries to do the job.
That is a hateful crew on that site.

Coketown said...

Wouldn't Wisconsin need blacks for this to be racism? I heard most if not all of the state's 17 black people already have IDs.

And I thought this voter ID thing was a ruse against college students? Keep the narrative straight you Bolsheviks.

bgates said...

Maybe if I post this again without the link it will stick:
In order to ensure that you exercise your voting right on polling day, you need the following:

* YOUR new IIEC Elector’s Card and the new generation Identity Card (ID).
* ONLY those who have the new IIEC Elector’s Your Vote, Your Future Card and the new generation ID as it appears in the IIEC Voter Register will be allowed to vote


-quoted from the website of the Interim Independent Electoral Commission of Kenya, the East African home of Jim Crow

David said...

Correct, Freeman. Beat me to it.

rhhardin said...

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Crow.

Freeman Hunt said...

I want a black guy to go around Madison with a Flip cam showing his ID to (supposed) liberals.

"Why do you think that people like me are less capable than you are of obtaining this?"

Doug Wright said...

Ah yes, all that shameless Jim Crowing that went on in Milwaukee in recent elections. Wait, that wasn't Jim Crowism, that was vote fraud. Oops, my bad.

Yeah, the Socialist are getting ready to fight against any thing or anyone who restricts their attempts to restore the rights defined in our Constitution. They made a concerted effort with their roiting protest in Madison and now with their recount manipulations on the Prosser Kloppenburg election. And, now with any attempt to provide for honest and open electioning or voting.

Titus said...

Discretion is so important. Just sprinkle your droppings in a select way.

For example, you won't find me anywhere else on the internet, with the exception of Troop, natch.

Take my advice please.

EDH said...

"seen enough of your shameless trolling... to take anything you say good faith"?

Did the commenter drop a "not"?

pbAndj said...

Meadehouse is spending too much time fretting about the tubes.

How about a nice, long bike ride?

Or, even better, a weekend kayak trip?

themightypuck said...

Much of the left is pretty embarrassing w/r/t the second amendment.

Titus said...

Coketown is correct. The only blacks in Wisconsin are in Milwaukee. Milwaukee is very nasty. An old Rust Belt city in which it's glory days are behind it. So sad.

I have been in Madison over the past 9 months and have probably seen 2 blacks, seriously.

Alex said...

With these shit policies I'd want as few people voting as possible too.

Fuck YOU Wisconsin!


Suddenly garage doesn't like holy democracy any more! So I guess they aren't really Democrats, by tyrants at heart. Democracy is simply the tool to get their objective.

At last the mask comes off.

Mutaman said...

Hey Meade, how about those Redlegs. First place Baby!

Meade said...

Dang! Just when you think - alright, she seems totally preoccupied with some sort of Blogger/cesspool problem, now's your chance to go trolling one more obscure corner of the internets -
in (virtually) walks you-know-who!

Un freaking canny!

Alex said...

Meadehouse is spending too much time fretting about the tubes.

How about a nice, long bike ride?


What makes you think Meadehouse doesn't relax? I'm sure they are having a swell time laughing at all you trolls.

EDH said...

The Internets have "corners"?

Meade said...

Muta - yeah, baby! And our pitcher didn't even have to slice anyone with his spikes. It was a good day.

garage mahal said...

Ah yes, all that shameless Jim Crowing that went on in Milwaukee in recent elections. Wait, that wasn't Jim Crowism, that was vote fraud. Oops, my bad..

Rats, no link. There never is.

The truth is there is virtually zero actual voter fraud in Wisconsin. Van Hollen spent two years investigating alleged voter impropriety and found 11 potentially improper votes in November 2008 out of 2.96 million cast. That’s 0.00003%

So WI taxpayers are on the hook for 6 million dollars for a totally useless program and only accomplishing keeping legitmate voters from voting. Almost a million dollar per illegal vote.

retire05 said...

Ah, yes, ACORN virtually put out of business, and states saying that you ought to be able to prove you are a legal resident of that state to vote there. My God, I am sure the police with the water hoses cannot be far behind.

Nevermind that the people who are gritching about Voter ID laws don't have a problem showing their ID to rent a movie at Blockbuster. You know, voting should be so much easier than getting a movie to watch.

Titus said...

Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, so sad. The death of the Rust Belt. I hate seeing this. It's depressing.

Now it's all about Bangalore, Chennai, Singapore and Beijing.

Although, I have heard that Pittsburgh has made a decent comeback.

At least this country still has the fabulous coasts with all the technology, heath care and biotech. Those places are called the "creative class"-another phrase for fags and fag enablers.

hard tits that still are able to bounce.

Mickey said...

I do not drive and do not own a driver's license. I've become used to the idea that what identifies me is not a piece of plastic. That I am identified by me and the things I do.

When paying with a credit card and asked to show ID, I show my work ID, which I could only have acquired after the most extensive FBI background check, so there's that.

In any case this voter ID thing is dumb. It's not racist. It's just dumb. Let's do the blue ink thing, if there's really a problem. I don't want another piece of plastic. I feel like the government is asking me to sign up for their rewards program.

Alex said...

Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, so sad. The death of the Rust Belt. I hate seeing this. It's depressing.

Now it's all about Bangalore, Chennai, Singapore and Beijing.


Hey Titus - what about Silicon Valley, the North Carolina Research Triangle, the Dallas/Austin, Nucor Steel, Tesla Motors...

Freeman Hunt said...

Shouldn't that title quote be preceded this?

Andrew carefully removed his left glove and flapped it weakly against Laurence Meade's chest.

Titus said...

The coasts include San Francisco, Silicon Valley and Boston, natch.

The Raleigh Research Triangle is generally considered a "manufacturer" for the coasts creative designs. Cheap labor there.

Austin is in Texas, totally gross.

Freeman Hunt said...
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Meade said...

Garage - Indiana passed a voter ID law and voter turnout increased 2% because all the hoosiers who previously thought, "Oh, why bother? They don't check to see that anyone is really who they say they are," then decided voting really would be legitimate after all and so they turned out on election day.

Why do you want to disenfranchise those potential 2% of Wisconsin electors just because they suffer from some kind of Hoosier hyper-skepticism disease?

Don't be disease-ist.

Titus said...

But I digress.

What I am saying is discretion is a must. Practice it. It is hard but with persistence, diligence, and hard work it can be achieved.

Thank you so much. Have a great night.

There is a gospel group named Mary Mary.

Alex said...

What's truly shameless is the left crying RACISM at everything.

Freeman Hunt said...

When a liberal imagines a scene where people are being told about the passage of a voter ID law, does he picture a black person saying, "I don't know nothin' 'bout obtainin' no IDs!"?

Alex said...

Notice, there is simply no logic to how this law disenfranchise anyone except morons who have no business voting in the first place. But Democrats rely on getting 95% of the moron vote, so I can see their consternation...

Titus said...

These are my gay friends "girl" names:

Jay-Jaylene
George-Georgette
Cory-Corretta
Beau-Betty
Al-Almira
Robbie-Rebella
Tim-Tina
Marc-Marcia
Charlie-Charlene
Harold-Helen

Aren't we gays creative? They are all apart of the "creative class" and each make well into the 6 digits.

JAL said...

I thought some people took delight in educating people about their right to vote and registering them. Here there and everywhere.

Oh. Right. Then they couldn't be registering them here there and everywhere.

So why don't these people spend their time educating people about voting and how they can get a photo ID which would facilitate them voting? If these people are sooo unaware -- run the info on all the entertinment channels so they can learn about where to get their IDs.

Much of this type of concern for the disdvantaged makes these people sound pathetic inepts. (How do they fet to the polling place?)

How about concern for protecting the legal right and privilege of qualified voters to vote and have their votes fully weighted, so to speak, by keeping unqualified or illegal people from voting?

Period.

Meade said...

Freeman totally gets the patronizing racialism of the Dems. But will Dems ever see themselves?

Titus said...

Hanoi is very hot now too.

Hank Rearden_WI said...

2011 “Wisconsin’s new Governor Scott Walker and the State Legislature are waging an allout attack on Wisconsin voters. The multi-pronged attack starts with the most-restrictive voter identification law in the country. It could continue with ending same-day voter registration and make absentee ballot voting more cumbersome. I am, along with my office are currently working with the NAACP, ACLU, OneWisconsinNow, Demos and other groups to protect voting rights in Wisconsin.”
Gwen Moore

Nov 2004 - "Police are planning to question the adult children of two prominent Democrats as early as today in the wide-ranging probe into who, early on election day, slashed the tires of 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party"

Michael Pratt, son of former Acting Mayor Marvin Pratt, AND Supreme Solar Allah, the SON of state Sen. Gwen Moore."

Seven Machos said...

Freeman Hunt is on fire tonight, saying all the things that I would say.

I add that white leftists seem to need black people. Not just any old black people, either, but poor ones who are apparently dumber than a box of hair. A cynic would say that the whole edifice of welfare and cries of racism is built up precisely to create and perpetuate just such a group of people.

Also, my wife hasn't had a driver's license in many years yet has managed to get something called a State ID.

Titus said...

I think the most depressing thing is a city that was once thriving and is now dead.

Is there anything more depressing?

How do people live in these hell holes? What is life like? What are the jobs, industries, career growth like?

I wish we could just demolish them and pretend they never existed. And perhaps put the residents on a train to be never seen again.

Titus said...

And if we could ever get rid of the Southern Accent I would be so happy. It is so horrible and awful and degrading and wrong.

If you combine the gay dialect with the Southern Accent it is double trouble. So awful and so hideous and so gross.

Gays in the south call each other Pearl, for Minnie Pearl. Isn't that awful?

There is major regional discrimination within the gay community

Meade said...

"What I am saying is discretion is a must. Practice it."

Thanks for the advice, Titina.

Hank Rearden_WI said...

Or - Titanya - for the cosmo edge

Milwaukee said...

Alex: That was a good one: But Democrats rely on getting 95% of the moron vote, so I can see their consternation...

If Walker really wanted to bust unions in Wisconsin, he would have legislation out making Wisconsin a Right to Work state. The reason there have been few prosecutions of voter fraud is because Democrats control jurisdictions where it happens, and they won't prosecute.

Don't forget it is Democratic liberals who refused to allow a North Carolina town to eliminate partisan town elections, because without the party affiliation the African-Americans wouldn't know who to vote for.

I read the article and the comments on the Isthmus. Meade, you were spot on there. The leftist resort to name calling because that is all they've got.

Hank Rearden_WI said...

Gay brother in Atlanta, with a NJ accent, offers Titullah.

For the youngsters in the crowd, google "Tallulah Bankhead"

William said...

"In good faith." Not only are your arguments wrong but to the extent that they make any sense at all they are specious and manipulative. You're not just wrong about this issue; you are manipulative and evil to even advance this line of reasoning. People of good will and good faith are in agreement with me. Stone this heretic.

pbAndj said...

Is Emily Mills hot?

Seven Machos said...

Are they gonna storm the capitol again and make signs and dress up in clown suits because you have to show an identification to vote now? That would be funny.

HT said...

Another topic?

The assaults apparently continue by high level politicians. It's shameful and beyond bad judgment. He screws over an awful lot of people.

Beyond this, $3,000 a night? That is way above the limit. I can only hope he was paying for it.

AJ Lynch said...

Freeman Hunt said:
"I think black people are just as capable as white people of obtaining IDs."

I gotta memorize that Freeman. It's a good one!

bagoh20 said...

Why is it only Democrats want to facilitate voter fraud? Do they want to cheat? I guess they assume Republican won't cheat, or they assume that Repubs aren't as good at it. Hard to argue with that.

Meade said...

William, the longer I live in this beautiful state and then particularly in this exceptional city, bubbling as it is with its self-satisfied so-called Progressive Liberal Democrats, the more I am in awe of Mrs. Meade's collegial ability to bite her tongue and keep her own counsel for so many years. Truly an amazing achievement.

Julius said...

Hey Althouse-

Paul Krugman is mocking you via a post about cellphone reception.

Just thought you should know.

It's probably because your husband hates black people. Or something like that...

Seven Machos said...

What has Paul Krugman ever been right about, ever?

Meade said...

What is a PaulKrugman?

pbAndj said...

"the longer I live in this beautiful state and then particularly in this exceptional city, bubbling as it is with its self-satisfied so-called Progressive Liberal Democrats"



If I had to choose between a city run by lefty loons or one run by righty nuts, I think I'd choose the loons. Of course it is true that lefties have governed some disastrous cities. But, the ones that work seem nice.

What is a good righty-run city? Someplace where Rand/Friedman/Palin would feel comfy. Anyone got names? Provo or Plano? No thanks.

Seven Machos said...

Provo isn't so bad.

Synova said...

"Wouldn't Wisconsin need blacks for this to be racism? I heard most if not all of the state's 17 black people already have IDs."

You're evil.

Like me.

I was wondering what Wisconsin liberals would do without their own special population of urban blacks to feel protective of. I don't think that being patronizing is the moral high ground.

bagoh20 said...

Righties don't tend to run in the herds, which is what cities are - big herds of people scared to death of being on their own.

bagoh20 said...

Consider states, and you can make comparisons.

Rialby said...

"What is a PaulKrugman?"

Enron's most high-profile pre-implosion advisor.

Synova said...

"I add that white leftists seem to need black people. Not just any old black people, either, but poor ones who are apparently dumber than a box of hair. "

Seven is evil like me, too.

Seven Machos said...

pbj -- I'm sure you will remember, a few years ago, that the New York Times did a big multi-part story about these crazy places called exurbs, which were gaining population, while cities and suburbs continue to lose them. Just today, there is a story about how young people are fleeing New York City in droves.

Why do you suppose that is?

Greenwich Village and Russian Hill and Georgetown will always be fascinating and elegant destinations. Especially if you are living off the trust fund your grandpa set up for you.

DADvocate said...

For the youngsters in the crowd, google "Tallulah Bankhead"

In this case, "youngsters" is anyone under 60/

Freeman Hunt said...

Greenwich Village and Russian Hill and Georgetown will always be fascinating and elegant destinations.

You can scratch Georgetown off. Then again, pretty scenery mixed in with overpriced stores, aggressive panhandlers, incredible rudeness, and massive senses of entitlement is fascinating on some level.

bagoh20 said...

My company is swamped with work. We are currently working overtime (everyday plus Saturdays and Sundays). We just added a second shift and we are trying to hire people. Yesterday, we hired every applicant that walked in the door and was legal to work. That was only four people.

A customer of ours told us last week they advertized they were hing 100 people. Six showed up. They hired three. I know this sounds incredible, but people don't want jobs right now. Everyone is getting checks for not working, and they simply prefer to be a little poor and not work rather than upwardly mobile and go to work everyday. Something has changed in this country recently, and I think it is related to the wisdom of the left.

Synova said...

Bagoh, where are you at? I'll mail you my oldest kids.

Seven Machos said...

You can scratch Georgetown off.

There you go, pbj. And, of course, the Village has its own safety issues and all of San Francisco has the craziest homeless crazies in the world.

See, dude, some people aren't trustafarians or otherwise loaded -- lots of people -- and they choose where they want to live based on boring shit like safety and schools for their kids.

pbAndj said...

Seven,

I like living in cities.

Full disclosure: I do spend more than half of my time outside of cities, but that's because I like being in homes where I can quickly access out door activities. And, even these houses are w/in a couple hours of a good size city.

I have friends that live only in "country" homes, such that they'll use a hotel in the cities because they don't go in too often. But, I could never do that. Living only in places where there's nothing to do, and everything closes at five or six is awful, imho.

I was honestly trying to get some names of really nice cities that are strictly righty-run. Bagoh20's suggestion that righty ideas are quasi-genetically incapable of running cities seemed like a lame answer. Really? Nobody can come up w/ a name? We must conclude that it's impossible for right wing philosophy to create a great city? If that was true it would be quite an indictment of right wing philosophy. But, I doubt that it is true.

Synova,

He's in liberal LA.

Freeman Hunt said...

I have friends that live only in "country" homes, such that they'll use a hotel in the cities because they don't go in too often. But, I could never do that. Living only in places where there's nothing to do, and everything closes at five or six is awful, imho.

Have you ever been in a small city/large town?

Kensington said...

Freeman Hunt:
"I think black people are just as capable as white people of obtaining IDs.

Partisan liberals don't. How sad. I thought those bad, old attitudes about race were falling away."


Freeman, unless you're just being sarcastic, you're giving them too much credit for sincerity. They don't believe black people can't get ID's. The oppose voter ID laws because voter ID laws make it more difficult for them to cheat during elections. Period.

Seven Machos said...

We must conclude that it's impossible for right wing philosophy to create a great city?

This is just dumb. Are these mysterious cities you speak of independent city-states outside of with different regimes than the United States and the individual states?

Salt Lake City and Orange County and Dallas are plenty conservative. Further, there is no conservative/liberal dichotomy in cities. That's junior high gibberish.

I myself live in the heart of Chicago and would never live in a smaller city full-time. I vote. Am I a liberal or is Chicago conservative?

Seven Machos said...

everything closes at five or six

Where does this happen? Are you this stereotypical in every aspect of your life?

Sad.

Kensington said...

OT, but has Paul Krugman ever taken a picture that doesn't make him look like an insufferable douchebag? If so, I'd really like to see it.

bagoh20 said...

"He's in liberal LA"

Yes I am, but all my best and healthiest customers are in red states. L.A. sucks for running a business, but contractually and logistically I'm stuck here for now. If I moved my company 300 miles to Nevada, my employees would be rich due to the lower cost of living and business. Someday.

chickenlittle said...

Meade said...
What is a PaulKrugman?

A "Krugman" would seem to be a man into jugs: Jug = krug.

Just working my knowledge of word histories. Hope that helps!

blessings, take care!

phx said...

That's a ridiculous thread? THAT'S a ridiculous thread??? Brother.

pbAndj said...

"Have you ever been in a small city/large town?"

I had a house in Eureka CA. On paper it seemed like an interesting place, so I jumped in sight unseen. But, it was horrible. I went there twice in three years. Too far from a real city, and the outdoor stuff wasn't awesome enough to justify the lameness*.

*Although, I did have a great place. It was a huge piece of property on top of a large plateau. The house looked directly at the ocean. [Technically, the house was in Ferndale, but it was the Eureka hood.]

I've also spent a bit of time in Peoria, but I didn't buy a place. I thought it'd be funny to got to the "famous" Peoria, so I could see what "sells" there. It was horrible. Yuck!


Seven,

It happens (except for restaurants) in the small town where I'm currently sitting. And, it happens in a lot of other places I live.

But, all of these small towns are w/in a couple hours of a nice city. For example, tomorrow morning I'm meeting friends at 9AM, and I'll have no problem getting there if I leave at 7:30AM. And, I have a house in that city too, so I can be out late w/o needing to go back to my little town where everything closes.

bagoh20 said...

As Seven Machos mentioned, Orange county right next to LA is nearly the exact opposite in terms of fiscal condition, crime, etc. There is virtually nothing better about liberal LA as compared to conservative Orange county.

bagoh20 said...

Don't get me wrong, there is much I love about L.A.: big city life and attractions combined with wilderness, mountains and beaches all within an hour or so of each other, but it had all that 20 years ago, before liberal ideology and control made it a basket case.

pbAndj said...

"There is virtually nothing better about liberal LA as compared to conservative Orange county."

I've lived in Mission Viejo and Santa Moncia.

There is no comparison. Santa Monica (w/ relatively quick access to W Hollywood and Venice (home of Bagoh20) is MUCH better.

I have had a close friend who lived in Laguna, and that was a nice place. But, it's still too far from a real city. I'd take Sanat Monica/ W Hollywood any day.

Seven Machos said...

The senseless sprawl of Los Angeles and the Valley is no argument for liberalism, even before the economy cratered out there and people started leaving in droves.

Synova said...

I lived in San Bernardino for a while many many years ago. I think that the air is better now.

As for "liberal" cities... I think that there is something about a city, simply *as* a city, that sort of presumes a "liberal" outlook. I don't know that it's liberal in any classic sense, but the essential interference in other people's lives, I think, is sort of inescapable when everyone is impacted by whatever anyone else chooses to do.

There are so many rules and you have to follow them simply to maintain reasonable sanitation among other things. So there are rules about tidy lawns and you don't get to chose if you want to pay for parks or not and utilities and everything are one thing for everyone and you've no choice. You've got zoning commissioners and building commissioners and everythingelse commissioners and absolutely everything is regulated.

But how else could that many people live that closely together and have clean streets and gas lines and sewers and not have your neighbor do something stupid so that your whole block burns to the ground?

But I think it becomes a habit and the worst "lefty" places start to think that they can just decide how they want the world to work, just throw practical things out the window. Take Berkeley and some of the things they decide they can just do without... like decent roads for cars, because cars are bad. And it's colorful and has atmosphere, but no parking.

And it works anyway because people have jobs someplace else because there are other places that haven't made it impossible for businesses to transport goods into or out of, and they don't have the color and they don't have the atmosphere and people can drive out to Maple Grove where everything has more of an Irvine sort of sterility and they can work and Berkeley survives and thrives and feels superior.

Sante Fe is liberal to the extreme. It's colorful and has atmosphere and the oldest most colorful parts (which are very old, indeed, older than the original New England colonies) have roads wide enough for a single car and art galleries and new age spiritualist "Tibetan wind gardens" and public art and a $10 minimum wage and laws that require McDonalds to construct tasteful buildings that don't clash with adobe architecture.

But Sante Fe and the people who live there want it to stay quaint and small and colorful and atmospheric.

Which is why they need an expensive commuter rail system to Albuquerque that can never manage to pay for itself without subsidies.

Lombardi Chick said...

What is a good righty-run city? Someplace where Rand/Friedman/Palin would feel comfy. Anyone got names? Provo or Plano? No thanks.

Bellevue, Washington- the small (122K) conservative city across Lake Washington from Seattle (adjacent to Redmond, which you may be more familiar with). It is beautiful, clean, and safe. It's Republican Dave Reichert's district (was Jennifer Dunn's before that).

In Seattle, you can be beaten within an inch of your life while waiting for a bus, or minding your own business walking down the street in Belltown. I don't have to tell you how liberal it is, and that its city government seems to have a goal of out-San Franciscoing San Francisco - and it shows.

And yet, drive ten minutes across the lake, and it's like a different world entirely.

george said...

I don't know guys. Maybe Emily is right and we should re-think all of this. If there is one subject the Democrats must be considered experts at it would have to be Jim Crow laws... after all... they created them.

And with Democrats overwhelmingly holding most of the positions of authority in DMV's (in lieu of finding more honest work) they would certainly be in a position to screw over black people again. When the other side tells you they can't be trusted and they have a documented history of untrustworthiness to back it up then maybe it would behoove us to believe their confession.

They already have an exceedingly low opinion of the competency of black people so it is a very small step from there to not considering blacks competent to exercise their franchise.... that small step of course consisting mainly of blacks starting to vote Republican.

chickenlittle said...

Synova said: Sante Fe is liberal to the extreme. It's colorful and has atmosphere and the oldest most colorful parts (which are very old, indeed, older than the original New England colonies) have roads wide enough for a single car...

I forgot that you live in NM. I did experiments at LANL while in grad school (eye-opening) and hiked around Bandelier Park. Later, my wife and I spent some days east of Santa Fe and then went there and to Taos before leaving. New Mexican food: posole: Mmmm

chickenlittle said...

That's weak tea George.

Say, you're not related to the "Original George" of Althouse past?

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Esos Hombres

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Dreamlover

pbAndj said...

"Bellevue, Washington"

Ha! That's where I'll be tomorrow at 9AM.

But, I would never buy a house in Bellevue. The place is boring at night. Even if you're hanging w/ the so-called jet setters over there, if you don't do coke, the party scene gets old. Not to mention that they spend plenty of time in the city too.

And, during the day I'd rather shop/eat/explore downtown Seattle (or Green Lake, where I have a house). Although it is nice that Bellevue folks have their own Louis store. Do you remember when the Seattle area didn't have any Louis stores (after I Magnin closed)? Now they have two!


P.S.
I have no problem admitting that there are unfun parts of big lib cities. But, imho, these cities also have aspects that I love. I'm not saying I'd like to be stuck in the bad parts of these cities. If I lived there I'm sure it'd suck.

But, I'm asking if anyone knows of a con-run big city that has all the best aspects of big lib cities?

MayBee said...

But, I'm asking if anyone knows of a con-run big city that has all the best aspects of big lib cities?

What cities do you have in mind?
Which big cities count as con-run?
What are the "best aspects" of big lib cities?

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

As Vezes Chegam Cartas

Portuguese to English translation via god Google ;)

Sometimes letters arrive with a bitter taste, flavored with tears
Sometimes letters arrive smelling of thorns that are not romantic
These letters tell you to be so far everything is different
These are letters that speak to you in the distance that love dies
Sometimes I get letters that hurt you inside, into your soul

Sometimes letters arrive flavored glory, full of hope
Sometimes letters arrive smelling of roses themselves are fantastic
These are letters that tell you to return soon, they want to see
These are letters that speak to you in the distance that the baby grows
Sometimes I get cards that give life, give you Calm

Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, larala
Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, Lara, larala
These are letters that tell you to return soon, they want to see
These are letters that speak to you in the distance that the baby grows
Sometimes I get cards that give life, give you Calm

Chip S. said...

What is a good righty-run city? Someplace where Rand/Friedman/Palin would feel comfy.

San Diego, Indianapolis and Charlotte usually have Republican mayors, but the place you're really looking for is Houston, which doesn't have formal zoning.

Lombardi Chick said...

And, during the day I'd rather shop/eat/explore downtown Seattle (or Green Lake, where I have a house).

Oy. Not me. I'd take Bellevue any time of day or night. I've never been all that fascinated with large cities, though - if I can't relax because I'm worried about being a crime victim, it's hard to have fun. : ) (I did enjoy NYC in the Guiliani era though - more than I do Seattle, for sure.)

And Althouse/Meade - if you're out there, this piece seems like something you might find intriguing:

Judges hand down the law with help from Bob Dylan

"No musician's lyrics are more often cited than Dylan's in court opinions and briefs, say legal experts who have chronicled the artist's influence on today's legal community. From U.S. Supreme Court rulings to law school courses, Dylan's words are used to convey messages about the law and courts gone astray."

I have trouble posting links, so I'll just tell you it's in the L.A. Times if you're interested in seeing it.

bagoh20 said...

"I'd take Sanat Monica/ W Hollywood any day."

Those aren't real places any more than the sex in the city girls are real people.

It's an existence that survives by taping the excess productivity of the real places elsewhere. It lives off money created in places where the real things around them are built. It survives on entertainment and tourist money, and uses material made elsewhere to engage life. What is made in these places you like to play is nice but elective. That's what makes it so attractive. It's like sugar - tasty, but empty calories.

bagoh20 said...

"What are the "best aspects" of big lib cities?"

There are places in them where you can avoid the less fortunate that occupy most of the city.

Ralph L said...

Mrs. Meade's collegial ability to bite her tongue and keep her own counsel for so many years
Well, except for the 23,000 posts on the internets.

Milwaukee, the new NC Republican legislature is talking about removing the party line button from our voting machines. Bet the Dem governor vetoes it (our gov. was I believe the last in the Union to get veto power, about 20 years ago).

Titus, there are hundreds of Southern accents--thankfully all without the harsh vowels of the upper Midwest--you might find one you like, and it might be attached to a nice hog.

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Quitame Ese Hombre del Corazon - Yolandita Monge

Titus said...

I created what this blog post turned into. Cities! from a Meade trolling.

The power of Titus.

Don't you forget it girls.

Ralph L said...

Only 22% of WI black males age 18-24 have a valid Driver's License?
Did Wisconsin imprison the other 78?
That doesn't pass the smell test.

More likely, only 22% age 18-20 don't have a fake License.

Titus said...

Ralph I hate the harsh Midwest accent as well. As a result I moved away over 20 years ago.

Hearing a gay guy say he is HARD in Mass. won me over big time.

Lem said...

Hey Titus, i dare to check out my Quitame Ese Hombre Del Corazon video I just posted before you.

chickenlittle said...

Titus said...
I created what this blog post turned into. Cities! from a Meade trolling.

You certainly are shameless troll numero uno!
_________
wv = "hympsh" gay rhyming slang

Revenant said...

What is a good righty-run city? Someplace where Rand/Friedman/Palin would feel comfy.

Rand, Friedman, and Palin had very different views from one another.

A great city run along Friedmanesque lines would be Hong Kong. There isn't one in the United States, largely because the USA hasn't had a party that supported free markets since the 19th century.

Lem said...

You certainly are shameless troll numero uno!

Titus here is a kind of sanity alert ;)

Chip S. said...

Hearing a gay guy say he is HARD in Mass. won me over big time.

I dunno, Titus, I think everyone up there says "wicked hard" when they just mean "difficult." Those weren't necessarily gay guys saying their wicks were hard.

chickenlittle said...

Lem said: Titus here is a kind of sanity alert ;)

Exsqueeze me Lem? Titus and me is more like a high school conference rivalry so butt out. :)

Titus said...

Chip I have heard them say wicked hard as soon as they pulled out their hog which made me wicked hard.

Chip S. said...

@Revenant, Late in his life Friedman established a foundation dedicated to promoting school choice, so I'd actually nominate Milwaukee as a good example of a city that has incorporated his views into the operation of its single biggest budget item.

Chip S. said...

Titus, You mean Fenway Park still has those trough urinals?

Ralph L said...

Hearing a gay guy say he is HARD in Mass. won me over big time.
Did he ask you to "Park your car in my garage?"

Lem said...

..so butt out

Listen chickenlittle.. We know a Titus wannabe when we hear one ;)

Ralph L said...

We must conclude that it's impossible for right wing philosophy to create a great city?
What is now right wing philosophy created our cities. It's the left that's ruled (and often caused) their decline. Or do you think they're only great if the government runs everything?

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Como TĂș - Julio Iglesias

We need more people como Meade.

chickenlittle said...

Lem said..

Listen chickenlittle.. We know a Titus wannabe when we hear one ;)

Yeah right. Get over it.

Lem said...

Yeah right. Get over it.

You think you can be more Titus than me?

Top This!

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

A Que No Te Vas

There is only one way that Mr Meade has been seen.. It Cannot Be Helped = A Que No Te Vas.

You have to love the haters ;)

Chip Ahoy said...

That wasn't a dress to you, Mr. Meade. It is shorts that look like a skirt, Racist.

:-)

Quaestor said...

DADvocate wrote: "Internets" Is there more than one

As much as I despise the comment directed at Meade the answer is yes. TCP/IPv4 can handle about 17 million internets.

Lem said...
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Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Him

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Meade was Sent from Up Above

Maybe thats why he is "in every corner of the Internets" ;)

Lem said...

BTW - chickenlittle, I almost forgot.

The fact that I have lived in Mass makes me a total titular titus.

Get used to it ;)

Lem said...

Is anybodu up?

Methadras said...

What are we talking about here? Leftards screeding racism at every turn wherever they are being rebuked for their idiotic ideas and policies that have been nothing but money sucking failures for everyone but them? Want to solve the voting problem by not having drivers licenses because the poor don't drive? Fine, give them standard issue identification? If that is a problem for them, then if the purple finger is good for Iraqi's I'm sure poor wisconsinites blacks, whites, reds, and greens will have no issue seeing their fingers purple or whatever color fits their moronic ideology.

wv = pussess = leftards

Lem said...

Under the Milky Way - the church of althouse ;)

Lem said...

"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."

Is it Meade?

A lot of people pose as other people in the internets.. How do we know if its our Meade ;)

Lem said...

I was asking Simon if he was Simon..

Of course he had the right answer..

I could not admit to being under the influence of ignorance.

I'm just happy Simon is back..

BTW.. Its raining were I am.. It sounds and feels good.

Lem said...

I'll see you guys tomorrow.. ah I mean later today.

yikes.. 'Sent fro up above' is playing in my ears.

Renee said...

Last year, my husband and I needed to set up a new joint account. The bank wanted our IDs, at that time that bank employee realized my license was two months expired. I never renewed it, because usually Massachusetts sends out the renewal, but due to cut backs they stopped that service.

I had to renew my license at the RMV, only to fail the eye exam and was forced to get new glasses. It took over a week, before I could return to the bank and open the account.

The bank employee who denied my account until I had valid ID was Hispanic, BTW. Ha!

It's not minorities, I worry about. It's probably the elderly who don't travel, open new bank accounts, or drive on a regular basis.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Look, this whole meme constructed to tar the repubs as 'racist' is only too typical. Essentially the dem hysterics are aimed at waiving any requirement for proper ID at the polls.

Furthermore the claim that voters are somehow being 'disenfranchised' is a false inoculate, its purpose being another scenario to further relieve 'some folks' from a basic responsibility I think most have come to accept. That is, something as simple as needing gov't-issued ID to prove your age in order to get into a club, or your residence to get a license for driving, business, etc.

When the left start showing some consistency on this, only then will I give it any credence.

As far as the remarks made towards Meade, well clearly this indicates his effectiveness. Again, wear as a 'badge of honor' the bleating of the pansy left.

For most, Alice in Wonderland was just a story, not a blueprint for self-edification.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@Renee

"It's not minorities, I worry about. It's probably the elderly who don't travel, open new bank accounts, or drive on a regular basis."

But, do you REALLY 'worry' for others, this requirement to have proper ID? Why?

What would keep someone from obtaining proper ID? Is this 'perceived' problem really a personal responsibility?

I have to believe this 'problem' is really just excuse-making. Nobody cares if I have proper ID, unless its a requirement - that is, my neighbor has NEVER come over to my house just to check and make sure I have proper ID or if I've had trouble getting some.

Its another false meme of the pansy left. If you fall for it, you're one of 'them'.

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traditionalguy said...

The better educated the population, the better the chance of a peaceful and happy life there. So what happens in a college centered town? IMO it will bend over backwards to accept every opinion until the leftist mind poisoners see their chance and take it. After that, disorder and rebellion becomes the socially acceptable goal. I want to ask them why do they get a thrill out of poisoning people's minds against a Christian culture. Every third comment here also puffs about hating a place where Christian beliefs are publicly held. But the alternative the offer is not science and knowledge, it is illusions spread by what Crack calls murderous cults.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@tradionalguy

"The better educated the population, the better the chance of a peaceful and happy life there. So what happens in a college centered town?"

Follow this up with the garbage in = garbage out example.

Academia is set up not so much to truly 'educate' folks, but to advance the 'progressive' ball down the field.

Because 'progressive' sounds, you know, so 'forward-thinking'.

And progressivism preaches 'free speech', which those not under the illusions of the cult understand to be really code for PC.

Because illusions are what the left does best. David Copperfield should be proud.

DADvocate said...

TCP/IPv4 can handle about 17 million internets.

Just curious, do we have more than one Internet now? Or, is TCP/IPv4 simply capable of handling the equivalent of 17 million times what the Internet is currently. I've never heard for the Internet referred to as a plural in a grammatically correct sense. Is the definition becoming one of those gray areas where intranets and internets overlap to a degree.

Maguro said...

"Internets" is supposed to be ironic, making fun of something George W. Bush said a few years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets

Using the phrase indicates in-group status to other douchey liberal hipsters.

DADvocate said...

Only 22% of WI black males age 18-24 have a valid Driver's License

This raised the question, what is this bigoted, liberal state doing that prevents 78% of young black males from getting a driver's license? We can't pin this on Walker as he's a newly elected governor. Somethings been going on for a long time in liberal Wisconsin that's keeping the young blacks oppressed. Mills is simply trying to divert attention away from this travesty.

garage mahal said...

I bet there is ZERO correlation between the number of minorities and elderly that don't have a photo ID and this Voter ID law! It just can't be. And I also bet the GOP ramming this through right now has NOTHING to do with the upcoming recall elections.

master cylinder said...

Shheeesh! Meadehouse is persecuted on the internets!
So meta.
[from a liberal douche]

Maguro said...

Why not just provide a free photo ID to anyone who wants one? Problem solved.

James said...

This raised the question, what is this bigoted, liberal state doing that prevents 78% of young black males from getting a driver's license? We can't pin this on Walker as he's a newly elected governor. Somethings been going on for a long time in liberal Wisconsin that's keeping the young blacks oppressed. Mills is simply trying to divert attention away from this travesty.

That little factoid is from a letter Gwen Moore wrote recently. But notice she said "valid" license, not "no license" at all. Many people in Milwaukee drive with suspended or revoked driver's licenses. A simple thing like not paying a parking ticket will lead to a suspended license and people will ignore that and still drive.

James said...

It's not minorities, I worry about. It's probably the elderly who don't travel, open new bank accounts, or drive on a regular basis.

So how do these elderly people manage to collect Social Security and/or Medicaid? Don't they have to prove their identity to the federal government?

RuyDiaz said...

Freeman totally gets the patronizing racialism of the Dems. But will Dems ever see themselves?

Meade, you don't get it. This only means she's a racist.

Duh. How could it be otherwise?

RuyDiaz said...

I have been in Madison over the past 9 months and have probably seen 2 blacks, seriously.

Then I must warn you; don't move to San Francisco. All the blacks are leaving due to high housing prices.

DADvocate said...

This appears to be the where the 22% driver's license number comes from. From that study:

Many Wisconsin residents have a drivers license with a recent suspension or revocations, and
minorities are twice as likely to be in this situation.


Twice as likely?! Yes, liberal Wisconsin has a bigotry problem. Mills needs to focus her efforts on helping minorities get and retain valid driver's licenses. This is important for many reasons other than voting, better employment, upward mobility, driving into the white suburbs to increase diversity, etc.

Let's address the root problem, not some imaginary bullshit that ultimately keeps the minorities repressed and at the mercy of the liberal fascists.

galdosiana said...

This bill is, at its core, a rollback of the right to vote that impacts the most vulnerable and already disenfranchised populations in the state. It spits in the face of those who've come before and fought (and sometimes died) to see this most fundamental right guaranteed to all citizens – not just those with a specific skin color, gender, or pocketbook size.

First question: How in the world does requiring an ID card take away the right to vote of those who are not white, male and rich? I can't even believe how absurd this statement is.

Unsurprisingly, Rep. Tamara Grigsby's final statement regarding the bill was right-on. "I find it disgusting that we're taking away people's right to vote while making it easier for them to carry a gun"

TAKING AWAY people's right to vote?

Ugh.

That's all I have to say.

DADvocate said...

"I find it disgusting that we're taking away people's right to vote while making it easier for them to carry a gun"

galdosiana - the just further proves my point from yesterday that this has nothing to do with our constitutional rights, but everything to do with pushing the left wing agenda. The left has no problem with a "poll tax" on your right to bear arms.

Alex said...

I bet there is ZERO correlation between the number of minorities and elderly that don't have a photo ID and this Voter ID law!

Who doesn't have a photo ID garage? Geez - how hard can it be?

chickenlittle said...

garage mahal said:

And I also bet the GOP ramming this through right now has NOTHING to do with the upcoming recall elections.

Are you implying or admitting that people without ID are needed by you in the recall or that the recall effort will require some voter fraud?

Let's be clear garage.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@Maguro

"Why not just provide a free photo ID to anyone who wants one? Problem solved."

Is that the difference? Making photo ID 'free' would solve the problem?

Though I tend to agree, there would still be a steady stream of excuses, even for 'free' ID.

If you are willing/able to show up at the polls to vote, I contend getting an ID is no more difficult.

Can you remember your address? Write your name? Provide a signature? Choose between candidates? Great! Getting proper ID should be within your reach.

Stop searching for excuses and get it done. Only brainless leeches like garage keep this one going.

ken said...

So I gather all the rumors I heard about college students in Milwaukee voting multiple times was just Faux news propaganda? Funny how dead people manage to vote repeatedly in Philly. Or people with homes in Florida and New York were shown to have voted for POTUS in both places.

I doubt that it is that hard to procure fake id's. Here in Florida renewing your driver's license is a bitch. Now you show up in person and wait perhaps three hours in line and best be sure you have all the bs paperwork, like an original birth certificate and various documentation of your marriages/divorces plus bills to show your address. How do they even know you're the person who is named on the paperwork? Figure someway that the state or feds cannot abuse the info and perhaps it would be good to have fingerprints, retina scans or dna as proof?
I registered to vote last time and when I showed up at my local designated precinct, they had no record of me. Government lackeys are, in my experience, truly awful employees. You see it in post office customer service, at the dmv or, in my case, supervision of state employees in pa. state government.
The media mainly turns a blind eye on the abuses. Whhy isn't Eric Holder held accountable for crap like the Black Panthers vote intimidation in Philly, where he took them off the hook or the gun fiasco where ATF allowed illegal arms sales to narcoterrorists resulting in death of a US agent?
Something is rotten in Denmark and partisans like Garbage on this site continue to enable the bad acts of the governing elite. Seriously, I'm not going to be all that surprised if we get some excuse for martial law and suspension of elections. Far too many brain dead apologists for Obama out there.
Good to see that RINO Huckabee isn't running but what other useless pol will the media be pushing on us?
I know plenty of people are against the right to bear arms and buy into the propaganda that crime would fall if regular citizens had all firearms seized. And so we have Hillary and Obama seeking an accommodation with the UN for a treaty to eventually seize our guns. How does the constitution support that and why would Obama not just continue to ignore court rulings that he does unconstitutional things?

garage mahal said...

Are you implying or admitting that people without ID are needed by you in the recall or that the recall effort will require some voter fraud?

Just the opposite. The GOP is admitting [by ramming this bill through] that they don't think they can win unless they exclude people without photo ID from voting. Not a very strong endorsement of the future viability of your party. It's a naked political bill that isn't fooling anyone in the state, not even conservative editorial boards are buying it.

Renee said...

Wow, I believed I raised a good point. Now more then ever people are living into their 80s and 90s. I care about the elderly and their right to vote, one day you may in a situation where are dependent of others. Just because you need physical assistance, doesn't mean lost of dignity.

I am for voter ID btw.

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

Because illusions are what the left does best.

Exactly so and a certain talk radio host has been saying "the left is symbolism over substance" for 20 years now.

Seems truer today than ever.

Seeing Red said...

It's a good thing GM stays home and sits at his computer all day.

In the real world, I'm finding more retail stores r asking 2 C a photo when I use my CC.

Seeing Red said...

Come 2 think of it, I was asked 2 show my ID in The Dells at the outlet mall.

SGT Ted said...

The racists here are the liberal Democrats who think that black people are too stupid to aquire ID cards and that only white liberals can protect them by opposing a law demanding that all people show one at a voting booth.

SGT Ted said...

Did garage just say that Democrat voters are too stupid to get an ID card?

Why, yes, yes he did.

somefeller said...

The racists here are the liberal Democrats who think that black people are too stupid to aquire ID cards and that only white liberals can protect them by opposing a law demanding that all people show one at a voting booth.

As a rule, one finds that the main leadership organizations among minority groups (NAACP, etc.) also oppose voter ID laws, because they see how they work in practice. That tends to undermine the implication that this idea is just something that comes from white liberals.

SGT Ted said...

Since most state laws require every adult to have an ID card, there is no rational objection to oppose a law requiring one to produce it at a voting booth.


the only objection that makes sense is that Democrats can't commit vote fraud to steal close elections.

The other objection that makes sense is that Democrats remain the party of racists who think black folks are inferior intellects and need white peoples protection.

DADvocate said...

The GOP is admitting [by ramming this bill through] that they don't think they can win unless they exclude people without photo ID from voting.

Nice Pee Wee Herman argument. The fact is that your way allows for a much greater opportunity for voter fraud and Dems across the country strongly prefer this for some odd reason.

Roux said...

We have a voter ID law in Louisiana. It was passed after Mary "Senator for Life" Landrieu stole the 1996 Senate election. 99.99% of all registered voters have a picture ID. Give it a rest with the Jim Crow crap.

Big Mike said...

The GOP is admitting [by ramming this bill through] that they don't think they can win unless they exclude people without photo ID from voting.

Well, if the turnout for the 2012 Presidential election is pretty much in line with past genearl elections, then the Republicans will have been shown to be concerned over a non-issue. If the turnout goes down, particularly in "deep blue" locations such as Dane Country and Milwaukee, then the Democrats will be exposed as being the party of fraud, guilty as charged. In 18 months we'll know.

As hard as Garage and other lefty trolls have been fighting this, which seems to be the more likely outcome?

... not even conservative editorial boards are buying it.

Relative to the word "conservative," I do not think that word means what you think it means.

SGT Ted said...

yes, how they work 'in practice' is that they prevent vote fraud, since whites or any other skin color has to show an ID as well.

If you think that blacks are just too stupid to get an ID card, then you would think that 'in practice' it is unfair. unless your intent is to enable vote fraud by using folks to vote multiple times, which is easy to do if you cannot verify peoples true identity.

As I said, there is no rational objection to voter ID laws. Not in this day and age.

So, to oppose such laws means you are either a crook or a racist.

Old Dad said...

Obviously, Governor Wagner has gored another lefty ox, and they're bellowing--public unions, voter fraud--what's the left's next totem to fall? Why, spending, of course.

Grab some popcorn and ear plugs. The shrieking has not yet begun. we'll all be racists before the dust settles.

Geithner: Default, racists.
Krugman: Keynes, racists.
Reid: Help me mommy, racists.
Obama: We're the ones that we've been waiting for, racists.

DADvocate said...

...they see how they work in practice.

When and where? Not poll taxes from 50 years ago. The NAACP is in the pockets for the Democratic Party. Hardly an objective source.

What's your position on ALL our civil rights? What about the impediments to a black person's right to bear arms?

somefeller said...

When and where? Not poll taxes from 50 years ago. The NAACP is in the pockets for the Democratic Party. Hardly an objective source.

Current disparate impact, namely that minorities and the elderly are less likely to have such identification. That's why groups like the NAACP don't support these sorts of laws. If these sorts of laws didn't affect minorities more than others, I'd suspect the NAACP and other groups like it wouldn't spend their time and political capital on this issue.

What's your position on ALL our civil rights? What about the impediments to a black person's right to bear arms?

I'd say they have the same right to bear arms as all Americans. Next question?

PWS said...

Ms. Mills went somewhere she didn't need to; let's call it gratuitous. And thereby lost the opportunity to debate on the merits: voter fraud is not a substantial problem in WI and AB 7 is likely to disproportionately disenfranchise those who cannot easily get government-issued ID cards.

Who knows how those folks would vote for sure. Republicans are betting they are more likely to be Democrats or they wouldn't have done it.

Hard to know what the overall effect will actually be. Politicians like Obama and Jesse Ventura expanded the electorate in positive ways. Why are the Republicans trying to shrink it? Because over the long run (given US demographics) they know the tide is turning??

somefeller said...

And for what it's worth, I have mixed opinions about such laws. I don't see why it's such a big burden to go out and get a state-issued ID. (I've had one since I was 16.) Oh the other hand, I also see that voting is a right and there shouldn't be unnecessary barriers put up for the exercise of that right, and the lack of evidence of ID-related voter fraud tends to argue against the need for that barrier.

James said...

What a crock.

I've been black all my life and I personally know hundreds, if not thousands, of other black people. Not one has ever told me they don't have a photo ID.

Milwaukee said...

garage mahal quotes:
Are you implying or admitting that people without ID are needed by you in the recall or that the recall effort will require some voter fraud?

then claims:
Just the opposite. The GOP is admitting [by ramming this bill through] that they don't think they can win unless they exclude people without photo ID from voting. Not a very strong endorsement of the future viability of your party. It's a naked political bill that isn't fooling anyone in the state, not even conservative editorial boards are buying it.


Since the Democratic Socialist think that doing "whatever is necessary" is acceptable, I would fear them loading up buses to go vote on special election day. When everybody everywhere votes on one day, that can't happen. But like rats flocking to a field ripe with grain, I wouldn't put it past them to have "new" voters who have suddenly moved just for the election. The left has consistently shown that they believe the ends justifies the means. Now they are voting from their vacation spot with their new friends. I know of several teachers who drove a distance to help collect signatures for recall petitions. I'm sure they have friends who would let them "stay with them" for a few weeks to establish residency. The threshold for same day registration is pretty low: a piece of postage with your name on it or another voter to "verify" your address.

garage mahal said...

The fact is that your way allows for a much greater opportunity for voter fraud and Dems across the country strongly prefer this for some odd reason.

There is no voter fraud in WIsconsin. Walker's own AG did a two yr investigation into it, and found jack shit. In a sane world that would be the ned of it. But of course we don't live in that world, we live in conservabubble fantasy world.

The easy fraud would be these easily hacked voting computers, in charge by partisan crook hacks like Kathy Nickolaus in Waukesha Cty, who, for some reason keeps getting re-elected.

Synova said...

"What's your position on ALL our civil rights? What about the impediments to a black person's right to bear arms?"

"I'd say they have the same right to bear arms as all Americans. Next question?"

And this is different from a requirement to have a State ID with your picture and address on it, how?

The same right. Absolutely.

Frankly, I don't think that the objections to this are any more honest than the Democrats think the Republicans are when they say it's about fraud. The Democrats don't think that *anyone* is going to be disenfranchised. No one. And even if they don't think that there is any ID related fraud to be dealt with, why not? The why not is simply that an opportunity to score political points by calling Republicans racists can't be passed up.

Never mind that what so many of us have pointed out is true. That to be a *racial* issue, black voters have to be children in need of care because they can't manage what any red neck in a trailer court can manage, which is get a state ID to buy beer.

(And when it comes to firearm licensing and concealed carry the "lets get three huge black gang-banger types up here" person does make one wonder if black people applying for permits would be unfairly refused because of racist attitudes that assume that black people are scary when they have guns. It seems more likely to me than the DMV refusing an ID because someone looks less pale than most Wisconsonites.)

JohnJ said...

Assembly Bill 7 must be race related. Why, the Isthmus even has an accompanying picture from the 60's of racist, rampaging, rouge cops roughing up some black citizens.

But catch the Isthmus article/announcement directly above:

"Debriefing the #wiunion movement"

"I invite you all to come down to the shiny new Union South tonight for the New Organizing Institute's 'Organizing the Occupation of the Capitol: The Role of Social Media' panel discussion."

Absent any electoral victories, “Organizing the Occupation of the Capitol” seems to be the left's major ...err... “accomplishment” of late.

I see an annual remembrance, maybe including a day off school, in Wisconsin's future.

Sofa King said...

voter fraud is not a substantial problem in WI

Well, we don't know that. Because of our preference for secret ballots, after the fact, it's extremely difficult to detect fraud. What we do have is a lack of confidence in the integrity of the voting process, due to the accurate perception that fraud is not difficult to commit. If you are opposed to the voter ID law, how about proposing some alternative methods to assure that fraud is minimized? You aren't going to restore faith in the process by shouting "move along, nothing to see here." Far from it.

Synova said...

Did anyone else have the immediate reaction to "shiny new Union South" of "Wow, and who paid for that?"

Old Dad said...

Sofa King puts the triple tap on Garage's ridiculous no fraud argument.

PWS said...

Sofa King, I understand your point. Fraud is hard detect.

However, shouldn't new public laws be based on more than perceptions ("lack of confidence")? Both parties have won lots of elections over the years, so it's not as though one has a leg up. Why is voter fraud a problem when Republicans just won the governor's seat + both houses?

I think laws should be based on some evidence of a need for correction, more than perceived "lack of confidence."

James said...

"Walker's own AG"

Wasn't J.B. van Hollen in office long before Walker was elected? He's hardly "Walker's own A.G."

I've extended this invitation before and I'll do it again. Garage Mahal and all others who just know that there's no election fraud are welcome to come with me to visit a few barber shops in Racine and Kenosha. I'll show you several people who live in Illinois and voted in Wisconsin; and you'll get a chance to listen in to some of the political conversations.

garage mahal said...

Sofa King puts the triple tap on Garage's ridiculous no fraud argument.

Mine was a fact, and a link, to Walker's own Attorney General, who spent two yrs investigating it. Sofa King said "we don't know". We're supposed to believe there is rampant fraud of people voting twice, or from out of state? Risking 10,000 and 5 yrs in jail? Illegal immigrants risking deportation to register one vote? You guys are on good shit if really believe that. But of course you dont really believe it either, if it keeps some Democrats away from the booth you're perfectly fine with it. About the only part of the Constitution the right really gives a shit about is guns. The rest can be ignored for the most part.

Synova said...

The elderly don't need to work, but younger black people do. Anyone who actually cares about people would want to solve the problem, if black people really do not have IDs, rather than perpetuate it. If there really is some impediment that Republicans don't see to getting an ID card from the DMV, some reason that it's difficult, wouldn't that be the place to put energy into?

The notion that black people are uniquely incapable of getting something that every person needs to function, to work, to cash checks, to buy beer or cigarettes, fails the common sense test. It's ridiculous on the face of it.

Complaining that college students wouldn't get to vote places other than their permanent residence and that they might not even have a permanent residence, or bother to establish one, for years had more logic to it. But being against able bodied, obviously intelligent and capable white kids doesn't have the political leverage that being against black people, the oppressed, the incapable, really can't be expected to do something that a college student can do, has.

It really is a prejudicial, racist attitude that can make that distinction. But as I've said, I don't think that the Democrats believe that *anyone* will be disenfranchised if they have to have an ID. I think they just can't pass up the opportunity to make it about race, because racism is the trump card. That it requires this assumption of impotency directed at the people they're supposedly arguing for is ignored.

In the end, public trust and confidence in the system is important. And if the voter ID thing does nothing, it still could be used as a bargaining chip... you get voter ID and we get... whatever the Democrats think will help.

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