April 7, 2011

Apparently, Justice Prosser won the election!

According to the latest count. The AP tally that everyone was looking at had the Winnebago County number wrong:
Winnebago County's numbers say Prosser received 20,701 votes to Kloppenburg's 18,887. The AP has 19,991 for Prosser to Kloppenburg's 18,421.

The new numbers would give Prosser 244 more votes, or a 40-vote lead statewide.
ADDED: I wonder if the concept of fraud is suddenly much more appealing to certain people.

UPDATE: Whoa!

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George said...

If this stands there is going to be some DELIGHTFUL flip-flopping.

PatCA said...

So nobody has "found another box of ballots"?

It's actually over?

Robert said...

Rather tasteless for Kloppenberg to claim victory yesterday.

Tom said...

Fraud? No fraud. Prosser should IMMEDIATELY declare victory! Yes!

sane_voter said...

don't get excited, they haven't finished shredding Prosser ballots.

Quayle said...

Oh how the mighty fall.

Jeff said...

I now conveniently support Professor Richard L. Hasen's assertion that there was no election fraud and that no one should question the result of the election.

madawaskan said...

Yeah you got it!

Liberals were already reporting that Republicans "found" votes rather than the-


AP messed up.

Holmes said...

Let's declare victory. No need to drag the judiciary through a recount...

Jim said...

Suddenly John Fund will insist that there actually were no shenanigans, right? Hard for the knee-jerk "voter fraud" conservatives to put the toothpaste back into the tube.

sane_voter said...

I expect Judge Sue-me to invalidate the new AP numbers and declare Klopp the winner.

madawaskan said...

Does anyone get the feeling that Liberals are going to get hung by every petard they've ever hoisted?

Placeholder said...

Ooh, that's good. The wingnuts who claimed fraud will now project their sore-loser neurosis onto the other side -- again without evidence.

Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence! We're wingnuts!

MikeR said...

I've changed my mind. Recounts are pointless.

The Drill SGT said...

LOL

PatCA said...
So nobody has "found another box of ballots"?


nobody needed an extra ballot box till now.

Robert said...
Rather tasteless for Kloppenberg to claim victory yesterday.


But she said yesterday, that she was confident in the count :)

Larvell said...

Prosser should concede anyway -- show he's the bigger man.

madawaskan said...

Ya Jim never mind that the AP got it wrong.

You were against the recount before you were for it, right?

MikeR said...

Will Kloppenberg now claim defeat?

Of course there will be a recount, and should be, but this is a lot of fun anyway.

Quilly_Mammoth said...

From the Washington Times "Watercooler"
On an estimated more than 10,000 ballots in Dane County, Wisconsin, where the state capital Madison is, voters selected only a pick in the Supreme Court race, while leaving even the hotly contested mayoral and county executive choices blank. That raises red flags for election experts like Scott St. Clair of the Freedom Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Meade said...

Wasn't it madawaskan who was vocally skeptical about the AP's numbers even Tuesday night? Or am I getting commenters mixed up?

Mr. D said...

Nope -- I'm consistent. Investigate the crap out of this on both sides. Democrats have long accused Republicans of trying to hold down vote totals. Our portside pals should go ahead and try to demonstrate how that happened, while the Republicans investigate what they suspect about the Democrats. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for everybody.

Placeholder said...

That raises red flags for election experts like Scott St. Clair of the Freedom Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Yes, an election expert. He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!

garage mahal said...

These be the ballots in trunks Pogo was warning us about?

BJK said...

200 vote pickup in New Berlin as well.

Prosser is up ~240 votes right now.

madawaskan said...

garage

No the AP misreported they even admit it.

And you posted the exact same thing on the last thread about this.

Thomas said...

In the phrasing of one newspaper yesterday, Kloppenburg refused to concede.

She should concede, shouldn't she?

Quilly_Mammoth said...

10,000 went to the polls to just vote for either Prosser or Kloppy? That makes zero freaking sense regardless of who they voted for.

Henry said...

Until the counts from Jim Wells and Duval counties are in, nobody's a winner.

Rich B said...

If she can't overcome a 40-vote lead, then she's not the Democrat that I thought she was.

sane_voter said...

40 votes. This makes Bush's 2000win in Florida a rout by comparison.

chickelit said...

What should happen is an expedited process of the alleged future litigation that's supposed to land in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, a Prosser recusal (before his term expires), followed by the inevitable collapse of Kloppenburg's support amongst stories of her past agenda-driven legal "expertise". This would maximize the amount of egg on the faces of a lot of people and would best serve Wisconsin justice.

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The Drill SGT said...

The normal Dem strategy is to let the GOP candidate take the lead on election day, but provide enough stuffed votes to keep it close. Then after the polls close, they know exactly how many ballot boxes need to be found to carry the day.

/sarc off

j/k Garage :)

peter hoh said...

Wait a second, how can the right maintain its claim on victim status if a close election goes their way?

Thomas said...

Can someone get the heads of the big unions on the phone to see how they're dealing with the voters' rejection of their agenda?

And this is a big triumph for Walker, right? I mean, he won, right?

AlphaLiberal said...

Waukesha County also added 200.

I'm not claiming fraud but damn well want a thorough investigation of WTF.

Very Republican counties, though, so they can pretty much do whatever they want, especially with our hyper-partisan AG.

Henry said...

Wait a second, how can the right maintain its claim on victim status if a close election goes their way?

Funny. Yes, that will upset the narrative. I guess even the Democrats are honest in Wisconsin.

Placeholder said...

Just wait until Milwaukee County comes in. It ain't over until the big dog barks.

Lincolntf said...

Hilarious. The skidbag Liberals at AP made a "mistake", kinda like Dan Rather calling Florida for Gore before the polls closed. What a bunch of clowns.

Quilly_Mammoth said...

FYI: Prosser is bringing in Ben Ginsberg, Bush's lawyer in 2000 in Florida, to help run the recount effort. This news is going to cause heads to pop all over Madison.

madawaskan said...

Actually I take that back the AP isn't admitting that they misreported they're weaseling.

I took a second read of it.

It's possible that they got it wrong.

Didn't they screw up that night?

And who ever declared the vote final....

remember that?

It's not "official" till the counties certify it.

Oh that's right-

Kloppenburg declared victory.

Mike K said...

There are going to be some headaches tonight. From banging heads against the wall. "Waddaya mean we threw out the extra ballots !" "Now we'll have to print up some more !"

Browndog said...

WHEW!

Now maybe we can get some calm-

The picketing, demonstrating, effigy burning--death threats.

Boy, don't the conservatives feels stupid!

Revenant said...

I stand by my earlier comment that elections this close are statistical ties.

I'll certainly be pleased if Prosser comes out on top, but realistically we can't say who really got the greatest number of legally-valid votes.

shineboxjed said...

Alpha,

I guess you will also want an investigation into the 113 votes Prosser just lost in Grant County. You are such a tool.

Tully said...

Why I asked those questions in the previous thread about all votes being in, confirmed, cross-tallied, re-tallied and found consistent, including provisional and absentee ballots.

Even in small elections the provisionals and sometimes the absentees aren't counted until at least the next day. Ditto with confirmation counts and tally sheet cross-checks.

I anticipate a flood of lefties suddenly redsicovering all the good reasons that close elections with teeny-weeny margins should be recounted under strict standards.

Quilly_Mammoth said...

Bad news, Placeholder, JSOnline is saying that the numbers from Milwaukee have been heard. No change from what the AP said. Prosser still leads. Cities tend to go faster then the rural areas.

Of course, that's not to say that they missed a few boxes of ballots there.

Windbag said...

Meade is heading to the Capitol to document the damage, right?

Placeholder said...

The skidbag Liberals at AP made a "mistake", kinda like Dan Rather calling Florida for Gore before the polls closed. What a bunch of clowns.

At least there'll be a recount. Unless, of course, someone can convince the U.S. Supreme Court to stop it.

TWM said...

"Funny. Yes, that will upset the narrative. I guess even the Democrats are honest in Wisconsin."

Funny. An honest Democrat.

traditionalguy said...

Quick, lock down the State Capitol before the street drama teams descend on it again.

Real American said...

of course, there was still vote fraud, but since the Dems were probably using the AP numbers to determine how many votes they "needed" they didn't "find" enough the first time around. On the recount, they'll find enough to put Kloppy in the lead.

Placeholder said...

Bad news, Placeholder, JSOnline is saying that the numbers from Milwaukee have been heard.

"Heard" isn't "certified." This one's far from over.

WineSlob said...

Prosser's Now Leading the Klopper
Klopper's Got Lawsuits in the Hopper
Union Hacks Are Soiling
Their Shorts as Their Toiling
Goes For Naught Like a Bib On a Slopper

shineboxjed said...

Election night results are never official. The counts often change after the official canvas. That is all we are seeing here.

Tully said...

I also note that unlike MOST states thee doesn't seem to be a central site to check on the statewide results. In most states the Secretary of State's office compiles and publicly posts the running tallies as reported. Doesn't seem to be that way in WI.

Until the counts from Jim Wells and Duval counties are in, nobody's a winner.

Hee hee. Another former Texan in the crowd?

Lincolntf said...

Will a Prosser win (or even the current Prosser "lead") spark a new wave of violence and disruptions, or are Madisonians too tuckered out?
I'd be keeping an eye out for all sorts of graffiti, swastikas, Koch-conspiracists, etc. to start showing up. Hopefully this time they don't attract such a big crowd of thugs.

Placeholder said...

Will a Prosser win (or even the current Prosser "lead") spark a new wave of violence and disruptions, or are Madisonians too tuckered out?
I'd be keeping an eye out for all sorts of graffiti, swastikas, Koch-conspiracists, etc. to start showing up. Hopefully this time they don't attract such a big crowd of thugs.


Speaking of "projections," you wingnuts are just full of those!

Quilly_Mammoth said...

From JSOnline. Wisconsin has 1850 Municipal Clerks who manage the local elections, the most in the nation.

With 1,850 elected or appointed municipal clerks who administer elections at the local level, Wisconsin has roughly one-fifth of all such clerks in the nation, said Doug Chapin, director of Election Initiatives at the Pew Center on the States in Washington. That will complicate any effort to run down exactly how many votes were cast in each village, city and town for each candidate, he said.

What could possibly go wrong with this system?

Placeholder said...

I guess you will also want an investigation into the 113 votes Prosser just lost in Grant County. You are such a tool.

Fraud! Fraud! Union thugs!

Lincolntf said...

Yeah, Placeholder I know, it's all in my imagination.
By the way, did those stupid fucking cows ever return to their jobs as teachers, or are they still wandering around town?

Tully said...

The Milwaukee Urinal Sentinel's story is HERE.

Amazing how yesterday they were all full of certainty, and today they are all full of qualifiers and disclaimers.

shineboxjed said...

Klopp +91 in Portage County....More Fraud!!!
Need more Alfa investigation.

Simon said...

Okay, so if Prosser is ahead, this is the perfect moment for me to say this (since it doesn't serve my partisan interest): In elections this close, I can't help wonder whether we ought to have a revote rather than a recount. In an election that's a statistical dead heat, the tally is so close that almost any error or artifice could tilt the result. I realize the enormous problems this would cause (imagine if the second election was just as close!) but these incredibly tight margins guarantee bruised feelings and a sense of illegitimacy.

Placeholder said...

Uh-oh, Portage County just gave another 91 to Kloppenburg. Fraud! Fraud! Union thugs. Al Qaeda! Aliens!

garage mahal said...

10,000 went to the polls to just vote for either Prosser or Kloppy? That makes zero freaking sense regardless of who they voted for.

I thought Milwaukee County made zero sense too. Stone just got beat by Abele by 20 points, while Prosser actually outperformed Walker by 5 points from the governor race. I suggest nothing other than it doesn't make sense to me.

2010 Gubernatorial election:

Tom Barrett (D) - 62%. Scott Walker (R) - 38%.

2011 Supreme Court election:

JoAnn Kloppenburg (D) - 57%. Justice David Prosser (R) - 43%.

Placeholder said...

By the way, did those stupid fucking cows ever return to their jobs as teachers, or are they still wandering around town?

You must not be from Wisconsin, where all cows are holy cows.

Jim said...

"You were against the recount before you were for it, right?"

Uh, no. But that was a good attempt at putting words in my mouth.

I think, regardless of who's up or down, a recount is the way to go. Then let the chips (votes) fall where they may.

My comment was in reaction to people who, before the votes were all in, were already whining about voter fraud as if they had some evidence of it. John Fund said earlier today that he knew of "shenanigans" that called the result into question. He didn't produce any evidence of them, but he still said it.

My guess is that, if Prosser's lead sticks, he'll suddenly stop talking about it. It sounds like you are on the same page he is.

enicar333 said...

I'm pretty certain that yesterday the Racine Unrinal Times declared: "Voters Send Walker a Strong, Angry Message", now "Angry" is gone, and soon they will be speechless!!! LOL.

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_56314b5c-6089-11e0-922a-001cc4c002e0.html

shineboxjed said...

How many UW Teaching Assistants who are not residents of Wisconsin voted in yesterday's election?

Is Alpha Investigations on the case?

Placeholder said...

How many UW Teaching Assistants who are not residents of Wisconsin voted in yesterday's election?

Given that TAs are slaves to begin with, their votes should be worth 60% of a real vote.

madawaskan said...

Jim

Maybe it's your horns-or whatever the hell is on your head in that pic...

What is that -

Turban el Turro?

shineboxjed said...

Klopp picks up more...
64 in Shawano County
12 in Door County

Rumpletweezer said...

Is it too late for Hasen to rush out his other article...you know...the one he wrote in case Prosser won?

madawaskan said...

enicar333


Ha!

It's some sort of justice.

shineboxjed said...

BREAKING: Waukesha County just announced 5:30 press conference to discuss officials canvas numbers. expect big numbers

Placeholder said...

BREAKING: Waukesha County just announced 5:30 press conference to discuss officials canvas numbers. expect big numbers

And why would that be?

shineboxjed said...

Klopp +30 in Iowa County

madawaskan said...

Hey can we charge Kloppenburg with a-

"rush to judgment"?

She should be recused for premature...

exclamations!

Alex said...

Don't worry Kloppy will find a few 100 votes in trunks somewhere in Dane county.

Sloanasaurus said...

thought Milwaukee County made zero sense too. Stone just got beat by Abele by 20 points, while Prosser actually outperformed Walker by 5 points from the governor race. I suggest nothing other than it doesn't make sense to me.


The turnout in Waukesha makes no sense either. The turn out there was considerably lower than the sourrounding counties. If the turnout was normalized, Prosser would pick up thousands of votes. I have a feeling that corrections will be made soon.

shineboxjed said...

Sloan just read my mind....reported turnout was too low from what I saw at my polling place.

Tully said...

This is why I wanted the beer & popcorn concessions ... :-D

This circus will go on for a while yet.

TosaGuy said...

Prosser picks up 12 in City of Milwaukee.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/119430234.html

edutcher said...

edutcher's law, once again.

I love the smell of schaudenfeude in the afternoon.

PS for those interested, yeah, all the allegations need to be addressed. This is turning into a real mess. Suddenly, WI looks worse than IL and NJ together.

Triangle Man said...

@lincolntf

Skidbag? WTF is that?

Badger Down Under said...

Nope. This is a human process, and there are plenty of checks (# ballots and votes need to line up, etc.).

You simply cannot say that the unofficial tally by the AP is somehow definitive.

Does the fact that the official canvas changes the outcome mean that there was fraud, now that Prosser is ahead?

shineboxjed said...

Closest numbers so far put Klopp up by ~80

sane_voter said...

Nice summary of the updated numbers here. When I posted this, it shows Klopp by 55 votes.

MadisonMan said...

What a ride!

When does the fat lady sing?

Phil 3:14 said...

Finally, the Koch Brothers spent a little money to straighten this situation out.

What took them so long?

shineboxjed said...

RT @JohnMercure reports Prosser will pick up 7000 votes in Waukesha County.

Now the real fun will begin.

madawaskan said...

Jim

OK I just read the rest of your last comment-sorry it's hard to get past your head gear.

Hell no- I think vote fraud is a serious subject.

It's a pet peeve of mine.

So guess again.

Of course it's usually Democrats that want the investigations to stop.

And it's Democrats that fight voter ID.

Original Mike said...

"The AP tally that everyone was looking at had the Winnebago County numbers wrong."

What is it about getting the facts straight that journalists find so difficult?

Clearly we need government imposed standards for the press.

PaulV said...

It is not over until until the fat lsdy sings.

Bob said...

Maybe the Republicans can learn new tricks...

Kevin said...

From National Review:

After Tuesday night’s Wisconsin Supreme Court election, a computer error in heavily Republican Waukesha County failed to send election results for the entire City of Brookfield to the Associated Press. The error, revealed today, would give incumbent Supreme Court Justice David Prosser a net 7,381 votes against his challenger, attorney Joanne Kloppenburg. On Wednesday, Kloppenburg declared victory after the AP reported she finished the election with a 204-vote lead, out of nearly 1.5 million votes cast.

Jay said...

MadisonMan said...

What a ride!

When does the fat lady sing?


She has already sang the tune.

The election is over, remember?

Placeholder said...

The turnout in Waukesha makes no sense either. The turn out there was considerably lower than the sourrounding counties.

Another day, another wingnut lying as he goes. In fact, Waukesha County's turnout was smack on average among counties the adjoin it. If anything the real story is the relatively low turnout in Milwaukee County.

Turnout as a % of total population:

Waukesha: 28.8%

Milwaukee: 24.0%
Ozaukee: 33.7%
Washington: 31.1%
Racine: 25.9%
Walworth: 22.7%
Dodge: 25.1%
Jefferson: 28.4%

* Divided AP-reported votes by Census population totals for 2010 or 2009 estimates. Yes, there will be inaccuracies, but they are immaterial. If anything, using 2009 estimated populations for a few of the smaller and more rural adjacent counties would bolster the wingnut lie.

Jim said...

It's not my actual hair, I promise.

Look, Kloppenberg was wrong and completely stupid to declare victory yesterday. No one has won until the vote is certified. Obviously that's easier when it's a lopsided victory. Neither of these two is the winner yet. If Prosser pulls it out, fine. I want things to be on the up-and-up just as much as the next voter.

What I don't understand are those who instantly have the knee jerk "voter fraud" complaints or insinuations as soon as things don't go their way. Before all the results were even in, when it didn't look so good for Prosser, people on here were doing plenty of that.

If there's evidence to back up such complaints, let's see it. If not, those people should knock it off. That's not a party thing. It's a common sense thing.

sane_voter said...

After the Wauke$ha numbers get updated, can I hear a "This is what democracy looks like"

Todd said...

This 10,000 vote thing where the only selection was Kloppenberg...is that validated anywhere? Or just on the Daily Caller? That would seem to be a HUGE fraud marker, no? I wouldn't believe that anyone would leave other contests blank if they went to the polls. No way. If this is true, then that's bullshit.

Placeholder said...

Milwaukee County turnout only 24%? We shall see if that holds up when the official certification comes in. Seems kinda low to me.

galdosiana said...

@Kevin:

Holy crap!!!!!

shineboxjed said...

Placeholder,
The numbers you state put Ozaukee and Washington 3 to 5 percent ahead of Waukesha....Once you add in the missing city, Brookfield, it will put it up with the other republican strongholds.

Browndog said...

BREAKING: Computer Error Gives Prosser 7,381 More Votes, Almost Certain Victory

D.D. Driver said...

"Milwaukee County turnout only 24%? We shall see if that holds up when the official certification comes in. Seems kinda low to me."

As a Milwaukee voter it seems about right to me. Anecdotes. Anecdotes. Voting seemed light when I went, and others report similar experiences.

Harsh Pencil said...

I don't get at all this business about "you only shout about vote fraud when your guy is losing."

No one, ever, shouts about vote fraud in general. Republicans shout about vote fraud being performed by Democrats, and, sometimes, Democrats shout about vote fraud being performed by Republicans. Again, no one shouts about vote fraud in the abstract.

But if you are a Republican who believes (as I do) that Democrats routinely manufacture votes (not a billion, but a non-insignificant number), if the Republican wins anyway, of course I shout less. It didn't work. It didn't make any difference in the end. So why shout?

What is hypocritical about this?

WV: kookse. Alpha is kook, see?

Sloanasaurus said...

Another day, another wingnut lying as he goes. In fact, Waukesha County's turnout was smack on average among counties the adjoin it. If anything the real story is the relatively low turnout in Milwaukee County.

If you look at my posts from Tuesday around 1am, I think I noted that Waukesha's turn out based on the AP numbers was about 58% of last November's total turn out. (i deleted my computation sheet). In contrast, the other suburban counties next to it ranged from 66-70%. The non metro counties were all between 65-75%. Dane was over 80%. Thus, either there is an explanation for the lower turn out in Waukesha, or the stories are true that the vote count is being corrected.

Harry Phartz said...

OK - forget what I said about invalidating the election!

EnigmatiCore said...

Pass the popcorn.

PaulV said...

Placeholder, what was turnout in Madison? How many state government workers in Milwaukee? Is the percentage of taxpeyers in Waukesha higher than normal? Could the protesters have energized taxpayers?

madawaskan said...

Someone in the comments at JSonline is saying that the city of Brookfield's votes were not counted.

14,000.

shineboxjed said...

Living in Waukesha County, I can say that the clerk is not playing with a full deck. She has been repeatedly asked to update the election systems but claims security issues. She still uses modems for crying out loud. The software probably resides on a PS2.

Almost Ali said...

Musical chairs misses the point entirely. Because it doesn't follow that November's voters would come back now to undo the election - and do so by choosing a hard-left judicial hack like - exactly like - Kloppenburg.

And again, why have so many Wisconsinites taken vows of poverty? What can possibly account for this sudden flowering of selfless altruism?

Anita said...

Oh my.

PaulV said...

Strange to expect that the WI voters than turned out for Rs in November would not turn out after protesters held state capital hostage.

Placeholder said...

Again, no one shouts about vote fraud in the abstract.

I do. Well, "shout" is the wrong word, but I think the system is badly screwed up, and have said so for a long time.

Joseph said...

As of 5:29 PM, NRO is reporting that the city of Brookfield was not reported and that Prosser now has a net of 7,381 votes. He's won! I just checked and Instapundit is linking the story.

sunsong said...

Congratulations! I read somewhere there may even be more votes - that an entire city's votes weren't part of the total!

Wow!

bil_d said...

You just gotta love Kloppers video where she discusses why she isn't concerned about the potential of the very thing that apparently happened....


Of course, it could all reverse but for the moment it is rather entertaining.

Placeholder said...

Like I say, children this ain't over until Milwaukee County, which AP shows with a VERY low turnout, certifies its numbers.

Carol_Herman said...

Unbelievable!

Will it be left to Wisconsin's supreme court to decide?

Will the cops be watching the ballots?

Will anyone be crazy enough to steal this thing, now, with so many eyeballs?

Will the AP ever recover its reputation after this?

Jamieson said...

Really nice job modifying the classic Truman Dewey picture!

http://twitpic.com/4i288e

chickelit said...

"Voter bank error in your favor: collect 7,000 votes."

Should that be that a "Chance" or a "Community Chest" card in Kochopoly?

Placeholder said...

Will the AP ever recover its reputation after this?

AP passed along the numbers they were given. The "reputation" is Waukesha's, if indeed they withheld 7,000+ votes, and Milwaukee's, if they withheld even more. That 24% turnout is way, way low.

BarryD said...

Why does the AP's unofficial count, count? Who cares whether the AP got the votes? Does Wisconsin count votes in its election, or do they just let the newspapers tell them who won?

Surely the most severe budget cuts would not result in the elimination of the entire system of elections in Wisconsin?

madawaskan said...

OK just read Kevin's comment.

The JSonline comment did not reference a source.

*********

Jim

The past shoddy performance in 2004 of an overvote in Milwaukee by + 5,000 more than actual voters would give you pause if it was for Bush.

You'd be screaming Diebold or something. Oh wait you guys did that.

Also a veto by a Republican governor three times in a row for a law to curb vote fraud would give you- a second reason.

Third, the general by hook or by crook method: fleeing the state by Democrats, mobbing the Capitol and then suing because of the "restricted access" that your mob caused, and the fake doctor notes.

It all adds up towards your party looking desperate...

I know you do it all for -" the little people."

In 2000 Democrats were screaming about how they were going to have revenge by knocking out Jeb Bush.

He won his next election for governor by a landslide.

And Bush won Florida again in 2004.

Basically the voters in Florida(- who knew better) sent Democrats a message back then and they'll do it again here if you keep lying, obfuscating and only reporting one side of the story.

Placeholder said...

This is fun, though. Reminds me of a baseball game I saw a while back, Boston v. Seattle. An inside-the-park homer, a grand slam, then a two-run homer -- all in the 8th, 9th, and 10th innings, with the lead shifting three times.

Remember, kiddos, it ain't over until Milwaukee County certifies, and their reported turnout was very, very low. Even if Brookfield gets added, Milwaukee could reverse it again. Just sayin'.

Robert said...

And now with the computer error in Brookfield....he leads by over 7000 votes.....hmmmm.....do elections matter now? Seems to me someone commented on this blog that elections matter, Kloppy won, get over it....now what????

Placeholder said...

And now with the computer error in Brookfield....he leads by over 7000 votes.....hmmmm.....do elections matter now?

Wise Man Say: Don't count yer votes before the Prozac-addled county clerk holds her press conference!

Sixty Grit said...

The AP has a reputation?

galdosiana said...

Question: Does he lead by 7,000+ votes, or does he gain that many votes (and she gains more as well), thus still putting him ahead but not by that much more?

Placeholder said...

Question: Does he lead by 7,000+ votes, or does he gain that many votes (and she gains more as well), thus still putting him ahead but not by that much more?

Wingnut magazine says wingnut county found 14,000 votes, net +7,500 or so for wingnut judge.

T J Sawyer said...

The problem here is that our election processes are not actually capable of resolving the results closer than, maybe 1 percent.

We simply need to say "too close to call" and try again. This is not like calling the balls and strikes in baseball where we all agree to whatever the umpire says.

Pastafarian said...

I think we've discovered how to combat Democrat fraud.

Someone once asked a Democrat power broker (Joe Kennedy?) why, when he fixed elections, he made the results so close. And his response was something like: 'Why pay for 500 votes when we only need 100?'

Whoever it was, the Waukesha auditor or the AP, they've screwed the Democrats on this one -- the Democrats didn't generate quite enough fraudulent ballots.

Don't worry though -- they can make up 7000 votes, easy. They generated 200,000 of them in Ohio in 2008.

galdosiana said...

Yeah, so since it's a net gain, he's not winning by 7,000. He'll probably be ahead by about 700 or so, right?

Mattman26 said...

Journal Sentinel reporting now that Prosser picked up a net 7,000-plus previously missed votes; about 11,000 for Prosser, and 3,426 for whatshername.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

JSOnline now confirming the story.

galdosiana said...

Journal Sentinel reporting now that Prosser picked up a net 7,000-plus previously missed votes; about 11,000 for Prosser, and 3,426 for whatshername.

Ohhhhh, well now, that changes things! I thought that out of the 14,000, he had gotten 7500 or so. Well, well, well...

Revenant said...

Will the AP ever recover its reputation after this?

AP had a reputation? As what?

Hasn't AP always been the journalistic equivalent of a TV dinner? Local papers use them when they don't have time to prepare something themselves.

Mattman26 said...

"Well, well, well" has to be the understatement of the day!

Lincolntf said...

Suck it, thugs. Looks like you lost this round.

madawaskan said...

Last time I checked Dane County and Milwaukee County still had not re-certified.

And good luck navigating Milwaukee's piece of crap website it's opaque as hell worst county I've ever seen and I have followed reults in PA, Ohio, Florida.

Milwaukee is the worst.

Dane County is pretty open-so there is that.

I've already looked at some of those precincts-I don't think they are going to b able to pull 7,000 votes out of there particularly when they have already said that they had 80% participation.

More than that would be pretty hard to believe.

galdosiana said...

@Mattman26: I'm trying to control my excitement for fear of Madisonian retaliation. :-p

madawaskan said...

Oops! I meant to say certified not re-certified.

Mason said...

So, to some of the left-of-center commenters here, let me see if I can get something across to you. The Republicans watched the Florida recount in 2000, and how Gore kept insisting just one more canvass of the votes was needed -- and how the vote total kept narrowing. The Republicans watched Rossi get recounted out of the WA gubernatorial race in 2004. They watched Norm Coleman lose to the un-funniest comedian in the world whose name isn't Carrot Top when a bunch of ballots were just "found" somewhere.

In other words, we've been conditioned to expect these sorts of things in close races. So it's no wonder we reacted like we did Tuesday night. And you're blaming us for not waiting like good little boys and girls when we think we're seeing it happen AGAIN?

Placeholder said...

Well, I can predict one county that will be the subject of a recount! Maybe two counties, if Milwaukee's numbers change a whole lot. Wow!

bagoh20 said...

I feel exactly the same about it. I want the fraud looked into, and I suspect his lead will increase from such inspection, but even if it means he loses, so be it. Although I really want him to win, there are more important things than winning.

galdosiana said...

@madawaskan: Do you know anything about the MKE vote totals? Any way they could *legally* pull more than 7,000 votes for Kloppenburg?

Roger J. said...

God--you idiots in wisconsin make mississipians look like einsteins--what do you do there? boink cows in your spare time?
Unlike Montana where the men are men and the sheep are apprehensive

You folks are a clown show

Placeholder said...

I've already looked at some of those precincts-I don't think they are going to b able to pull 7,000 votes out of there particularly when they have already said that they had 80% participation.

More than that would be pretty hard to believe.


I'm tellin' ya, Milwaukee's AP-reported turnout -- 24% of the total population -- is VERY low. You'd better not break out the beer, pretzels, and cheese dip until the big dog barks.

Charlie Martin said...

Hmmm. Make that Prosser up by more than 7000 votes?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264209/breaking-computer-error-could-give-prosser-7381-more-votes-victory-christian-schneider

Franklin said...

I am seriously impressed with Wisconsin. Sanity, reason, logic, and a sense of civic duty in the rest of the state beat 90 PERCENT TURNOUT in Madison.

On Wisconsin!

Mason said...

And may I just say, in addition, that I have zero pity for ANY state which falls victim to election fraud if they're not using optical scan. My state (Oklahoma) uses it exclusively. You get immediate readouts after the election for your precinct, and in the event of a readout, you still have all the paper ballots. It's easy to operate, no butterfly ballots. And with a few simple security precautions it becomes practically impossible to stuff the ballot boxes. I honestly have no idea why every state doesn't use it. (Well, at least I don't if they're interested in preserving the integrity of the electoral process.)

Roger J. said...

Looks to me like the unions got their sorry asses kicked--poured lots of money and most probably illegal voters and still couldnt steal an election

Yeah--it was referendum alright and the unions and their associated thugs got their ugly asses kicked.

Anita said...

Prosser has picked up more than 7,381 votes in Waukesha County

"Wisconsin sources say that the paper trail on the votes will be obvious and difficult for anyone to dispute."

madawaskan said...

galdosiana

It's a net +7,538 for Prosser.

The problem is not that Brookfield was not counted-the problem was that the information was not forwarded to the AP last night, or that the AP failed to report it.

Mason said...

Sorry. That should read "in the event of a RECOUNT."

wv: crusn -- what i was doin through my comment when i was msspelln words.

ark said...

I think it is premature to believe that the centipede has run out of shoes to drop.

Placeholder said...

And may I just say, in addition, that I have zero pity for ANY state which falls victim to election fraud if they're not using optical scan. My state (Oklahoma) uses it exclusively. You get immediate readouts after the election for your precinct, and in the event of a readout, you still have all the paper ballots. It's easy to operate, no butterfly ballots. And with a few simple security precautions it becomes practically impossible to stuff the ballot boxes. I honestly have no idea why every state doesn't use it. (Well, at least I don't if they're interested in preserving the integrity of the electoral process.)

WI is 90% optical scanning, which apparently isn't as reliable as everyone (including myself) has believed. The issue in Waukesha apparently is how the votes totals were aggregated and reported to the AP after the ballots were scanned.

This <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8448>liberal blogger</a> has been all over the voting integrity issue (including in Wisconsin) for a long time.

Placeholder said...

This liberal blogger ...

Lance said...

Wingnut magazine says wingnut county found 14,000 votes, net +7,500 or so for wingnut judge.

The Journal Sentinel is a wingnut magazine?

Placeholder said...

The Journal Sentinel is a wingnut magazine?

It was first reported by the wingnut national review.

John said...

Have they counted ballot box 13 yet?

http://www.reformation.org/large-ballot-box-13.jpg

John Henry

Almost Ali said...

I still want to know where Kloppenburg got all those votes. Because I fully expect a good bloodhound would track all of them (265,000) back to Illinois.

madawaskan said...

Just followed Anita's link-here is more specifics-

The error came when Waukesha County clerk Kathy Nickolaus failed to save some 14,000 votes that came from wards in Brookfield before passing the vote total along to the Associated Press.

That mistake might end up being providential...

Because it sure looked like one county was waiting...

It's sure as hell fire what they did in Florida.

enicar333 said...

This is too sweet!! All the Moonbats in Racine have to eat their words!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!

steve said...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264213/not-jinx-it-daniel-foster

Mel said...

have you seen Brookfields numbers!!!

Ankur said...

Apparently an "entire city went uncounted in waukesha county".

Test your fairness by replacing waukesha by dane.

Lance said...

It was first reported by the wingnut national review.

"So," asked the doctor, "did you know there was an ad hominem stuck in your alimentary canal?"

John Burgess said...

Why, Madame, that introduction was a stark piece of snark. Snark becomes you!

WV: I'm fessin up to the admiration!

garage mahal said...


The error came when Waukesha County clerk Kathy Nickolaus failed to save some 14,000 votes that came from wards in Brookfield before passing the vote total along to the Associated Press


Some history on Kathy Nicklaus:

Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus, a former staffer for the Assembly Republican Caucus, has been sharply criticized in recent months for her handling of recent elections. Even the archly-conservative Waukesha County Board has sharply condemned Nickolaus after past elections, demanding an immediate audit of her practices following ominous red-flags that emerged regarding her lack of oversight, failure to create backup files and her stubborn insistence to “keep everything secret.” [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 8/18/10; 1/17/11]

The County auditors said it was eminently possible -- including historical precedent -- for Nickolaus or a rogue employee to tamper with data. Why? Nickolaus insists on controlling password access and has unilaterally decided to move sensitive files, like election results, onto her personal computer.

So awesome. She keeps elections results on her laptop. Oh boy.

madawaskan said...

Ankur

It was counted the AP just didn't get the numbers.

You do know that during the count process Republican and Democrats observe and sign off.

I know you're recently from India-but-

Jeez or Holy Gaia!

Randy said...

Though I find voter fraud to be a fundamental attack on democracy, as a Chicagoan I understand it happens. But in a non-partisan JUDICIAL election, it seems particularly reprehensible. We should all be hoping there is no fraud here even if its exposure helps our side politically.

Anita said...

"Liberal Analyst: Waukesha Vote Shift Makes Statistical Sense"

Placeholder said...

I think it's great fun, for the record. Obviously, they'll have to recount Waukesha, which by the way has quite the history of foolish Republican officeholders. They include the county clerk, whose been in trouble before over mistabulation of election results.

And children, you really have to remember that Milwaukee County hasn't certified anything yet. And their turnout reported to the AP was almost one-third lower than Ozaukee's.

This ain't over, but it sure is fun!

madawaskan said...

See dear Ankur-you might not have ever volunteered at a precinct or what have you-but here in America-

both parties observe the process.

There's this quaint thing called a-

poll watcher.

Then in most states there is usually a panel of three or four members of both parties that watch the tabulation process and then they do this other quaint thing and sign off.

The big tape roles of 14,000 votes for a whole city are pretty hard to fake.

Sorry.

Lance said...

Test your fairness by replacing waukesha by dane.

All votes should count.

Did I pass the test?

Maguro said...

Oh, garage, you're not to worry - some eminently distinguished PoliSci prof from UW dropped by the other day and said that electoral fraud was unpossible in Wisconsin because you guys are so nice or something.

So put down that torch and pitchfork, everything is completely above board and legit. Our best and brightest assure us of this.

Ankur said...

I am just commenting on the meme, and the predictable liberal and conservative responses to that meme, and speculating on how amusing it would be if the name of the county was somehow changed. Defenders of democracy, all!

madawaskan said...

NIce try though Ankur.

And here I thought you might be a numbers guy.

madawaskan said...

Ankur

Tell me how you would fake a whole city vote-of 14,000?

I want to here this "rationality".

Ankur said...

Madawaskan - sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not claiming that the 14000 votes are fake, or fraud. it is pretty clear that they are legitimate.

vnjagvet said...

Much of this will be scoped out in the recount. Both sides have called for one. And until the votes are certified on April 15th, all we can do is speculate.

This site seems to be a microcosm of attitudes throughout WI and interested political junkies all over the country. Let the spin begin, and keep passing the popcorn.

Ankur said...

It is also amusing to me - that an exhortation to self examine makes you imagine that I am claiming those votes are fake. It reveals more about you, I think.

Jay said...

Wingnut magazine says wingnut county found 14,000 votes, net +7,500 or so for wingnut judge.

Watching you beclown yourself is fun!

D.D. Driver said...

I'd be interested in hearing what Placeholder thinks about the voter turnover in Milwaukee?

doublet2991 said...

Placeholder,

Why do you keep repeating yourself? Is a need for self affirmation? Love of spamming a comment thread? or do you get paid by the post?

What a goofball.

WV: untin:

Placeholder has stated the same thin' for the untin' th time.

madawaskan said...

No dude.

You revealed yourself.

madawaskan said...

Basically you don't know the process.

EnigmatiCore said...

April 7: 7,000 votes discovered for Prosser.

April 8: 7,100 votes discovered for Kloppenberg

April 11: 500 votes discovered for Prosser

April 15: Sec. of State La Follette declares the 500 votes to be past the deadline and won't be counted

May 2...

The Grand Inquisitor said...

" I am just commenting on the meme, and the predictable liberal and conservative responses to that meme, and speculating on how amusing it would be if the name of the county was somehow changed. Defenders of democracy, all!"

The truth is that you do have a personal view on this, other than just detached objectivity.

What's so bad about that?

Anyhow, I agree that the Prosser votes are clearly legit. And that we need a recount, even though it's not too close to all if this count is accurate. The problem is that nothing has been accurate so far. It's ridiculous enough that I see no reason to accept anything reported as certain.

D.D. Driver said...

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/119259889.html

"The Milwaukee Election Commission predicts a 25% voter turnout, higher than normal for a spring elections."

Actual turnout was pretty close to that prediction.

madawaskan said...

Ankur

OK what was your implication.....

I already know that you call yourself a Democrat....

IOW try again.

john said...

Simon says - In elections this close, I can't help wonder whether we ought to have a revote rather than a recount. In an election that's a statistical dead heat, the tally is so close that almost any error or artifice could tilt the result.

A revote would have made total sense in Minnesota where the Libertarian took about 15% of the total; the revote would have been a runoff between Coleman and Franken.

But when there are only 2 candidates to begin with, I don't know what another election would accomplish, except more campaigning.

You are so correct that our system cannot count every honest vote, or even determine the honesty of a vote. Close enough was always good enough in the past. Doesn't seem good enough anymore.

enicar333 said...

There is a joy when truth overcomes lies and evil. When government employees who are the tax benefecaries, NOT Taxpayers, the middle class or the people who pay the bills of the State, are put back in their place after being obnoxious and child-like for an extended period of time. Yeah, it makes me feel good, like a Child, like I just gave you the spanking you deserved, so NA NA NA.

madawaskan said...

Ankur

Actually you used the term

"uncounted".

Want to explain your nuance there?

TWM said...

I just read on Fox News that Posser has picked-up over 7000 votes from Waukesha County. Is that correct?

madawaskan said...

Ankur

Whoops were you quoting someone else?

You should have addressed that specific commenter.

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