March 23, 2011

Wisconsin protesters branch out into picketing M&I Bank... and some of them seem suspicious of Meade.

Yesterday, while I was in class, around 4 p.m., Meade went down to the Capitol Square to see what was going on. The main thing was this picket circle in front of M&I Bank. The protesters have some theory justifying dragging the bank into the protests, but I don't think you can figure it out from the signs. They're using the same chants they used against the government, notably "This is what democracy looks like." Democracy against a bank? But they are so passionate. Especially that one guy.



But what's really interesting here is the attention some of them give Meade. Watch for the lawyer with the Walker-as-Marie-Antoinette sign. Remember him from the graffiti-on-the-Civil-War-monument video? Watch for him to step out of the line and talk to some other guy, who then takes a picture of Meade. And then there are those 2 other guys who are suddenly up in Meade's face, who follow Meade as he leaves to go into the Capitol. Are they going to intimidate Meade?

This is edited video, and I've left out what happens when they get into the rotunda. Standing in the center of the rotunda, the 3 men converse/argue about freedom of speech. I've uploaded the 14-minute video separately and unedited. If you have the patience to watch that, it's funny to some extent, particularly because the young men are so fervent about their cause that they can't hear how bad some of the things they say are. They persist for a while, but they can't shake Meade and they can't answer the questions he asks. In the end, they walk away. And there's Meade standing alone in the center of the rotunda.

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Simon said...

If the protesters want to shed their image of intimidation and seething, barely-repressed violence, holding up a sign which depicts the object of the mob's ire as Marie Antoinette isn't the way way to go about it.

Fen said...

Sorry, but Meade needs a wingman. A watcher to watch those who watch Meade. Union thugs will follow you to your car to get your plates, follow you home to get your address. All kinds of mischief is in play. Some of it horrible.

I nominate MadisonMan as Wingman. All he has to do is stand a good distance away and video anything done by these Goons.

Comrade X said...

Why would they be protesting a small bank?

I understand why they don't protest BofA, Citi, Chase, and Wells. They are the government's business partners and picked winners.

rhhardin said...

It's the union way.

Jeff with one 'f' said...

I'm loving the tag-team coverage coming from MeadeHouse!

The Crack Emcee said...

Some of them seem suspicious of Meade.

Well, he is kind of a weird guy, with all that statue cleaning and respect for elections and such.

Better keep an eye on him, y'know?

The Macho Response.

MadisonMan said...

I nominate MadisonMan as Wingman

William Tecumseh Sherman said it best.

Appearances to the contrary, perhaps, I do have a couple jobs I have to attend to.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Appearances to the contrary, perhaps, I do have a couple jobs I have to attend to.

Obviously the protestors can't say the same thing.

TMink said...

"This is what democracy looks like."

I don't think that word means what they think it means.

"This is what agitation looks like."

Inconceivable.

Trey

Maguro said...

If the protesters want to shed their image of intimidation and seething, barely-repressed violence, holding up a sign which depicts the object of the mob's ire as Marie Antoinette isn't the way way to go about it.

Hey...at least they didn't portray Walker as the Princesse de Lamballe.

TMink said...

Fen is correct about the wingman. Now that the Meadster is recognizable, he needs another camera to document the peaceful and tolerant protesters trying to shout him down or block his filming.

Who watches the watchers? Meade's wingman.

Trey

TMink said...

They are protesting the bank in a concerted effort to cause another financial failure. Hotair and the blaze have the evidence.

Trey

traditionalguy said...

The Madison Offensive is being held back by the Meadia recording them for factual analsis. They will try something after their rudeness tricks fail. Maybe Meade should ask J J Watt to walk around with him and chew gum.

TosaGuy said...

"Why would they be protesting a small bank?"

Some employees/execs of that bank donated to the Walker campaign. They are trying to boycott a number of businesses to include a grocery store in the Milwaukee suburban liberal enclave of Shorewood (a mile from UW-Milwaukee) where they have picketed. Yes, these folks are picketing a grocery store.

They are also boycotting Kwik Trip convenience stores even though employees of that company donated more $$ to Tom Barrett.

It really is moronic and I think will backfire big time.

Michael K said...

The poor saps. Who do they think will have jobs for people when they finish shutting down any business in Wisconsin. I guess they could shovel Democrat in some dairy barns.

The logic of this protest is difficult to discern but it would be interesting to ask the protestors why they are picketing a bank and see if any sensible answer was forthcoming. Probably not.

Dan from Madison said...

That is one non-busy lawyer.

shoutingthomas said...

Typical leftist mania.

The protest metastasizes! The source of the evil must be found and exterminated.

First it's the Kulaks. Then it's the Enemies of the People. Then it's the Saboteurs.

The purge keeps widening and widening until it is finally turned on the purgers.

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Phil 3:14 said...

As I previously suggested this is the new battle line / proxy war.

On one side:

working families/unions/the middle class/the "this is what democracy looks like" crowd

on the other side

Right wing politicians like Gov. Walker/the Koch brothers/the banks who wrecked the economy then got a bailout then made record profits on the backs of working families/Teabaggers/Sarah Palin

I can see it as the left's attempt to replicate the success of the Tea Party. As likely to suffer the same problems:
-muddled messages
-problematic visuals
-true believers saying the wrong thing

The key difference is that this nascent movement has a significant astroturf aspect to it.

Unions are rightly frightened.

Fen said...

Check with Protest Warrior's

http://www.protestwarrior.com/

Not sure if they are still active. If not, then drop by FreeRepublic and check out your state page. I'm sure there are many there who would be honored to be Meade's Wingman.

If you were closer, I would take off and do it myself.

Simon said...

Maguro said...
"Hey...at least they didn't portray Walker as the Princesse de Lamballe."

The humanity of the left meets the circumspection of the mob. Familiarity with history is why large protests (especially but by no means exclusively those on the left) fill me with fear and anxiety.

roesch-voltaire said...

Meade claims to be part of the "press" really, well I am glad that he has found a job--misrepresentation.

Patrick said...

"Are they going to intimidate Meade?"

I doubt it. They may try, however.

Fen said...

Rv: Meade claims to be part of the "press" really, well I am glad that he has found a job--misrepresentation.

Libtards. They really are this stupid.

Christopher in MA said...

"Well, I am glad that he found a job - misrepresentation."

It really is astonishing to see how concerned our lefty friends are that Meade have some sort of "honest" occupation. What's the matter, sugar tits - get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Phil 3:14 said...

The citizen journalists back and forth reminds me of that famous exchange in The Godfather

I didn't know who you were with

(Horse head to follow?)

Fen said...

pamphleteer

Look it up, Libtard.

Ann Althouse said...

We do claim to be the press. We are new media. And we have 84,000 page views a day. With better and more interesting coverage of the Wisconsin protests than anywhere else. Damned right we are the press.

Fprawl said...

This irritates me.
I hate to be blunt, but here in the South, we don't put up with that kind of crap.
I have been misunderstood on this comment line before so let me be clear. I am not proud of the fact that all the people around me seem to have short tempers. This is an observation of regional differences.
As evidence, I submit the pummeling of the Liberal that ran up to Rand Paul in Lexington.
Most southerners don't seem to have the patience to not lose our tempers.
I wonder why.
Is it the long summer? The heat?
It is interesting to watch the Kabuki in Madison, but if this were south of the Mason Dixon Line, there would be some bullet holes somewhere.
Anonymous shooting of buildings etc. in the dark of night is probably a stress reliever.
It would be too stressful to be an impartial observer like Meade.

Alex said...

They are protesting the bank in a concerted effort to cause another financial failure. Hotair and the blaze have the evidence.

Part of the Frances Fox Piven strategy of "tear it ALL down man".

Fen said...

As evidence, I submit the pummeling of the Liberal that ran up to Rand Paul in Lexington.

No, we covered that here in depth. Moonbat rushed the vehicle twice. Even hit Paul with her sign. She was a security threat. The guy was wrong for putting his foot on her shoulder (untrained) but its hardly a case of rage or "pummeling".

Really. Pummeling? Did you even watch the multiple vids of this incident?

Sorry, but I smell sockpuppet troll from HuffPo.

Simon said...

Ann Althouse said...
"we have 84,000 page views a day. With better and more interesting coverage of the Wisconsin protests than anywhere else. Damned right we are the press."

I wonder how that will compare to the NYT after their latest failed paywall scheme is erected. Pretty well, I'm betting.

The Grand Inquisitor said...

On the one hand, it would be short sighted for liberal goons to actually try to harm Meade. On the other, liberal goons are short sighted.

Be careful, Meade! I concur that you need a wingman or two flying under the radar.

edutcher said...

The unions are going into Lerner mode.

Agree with Fen about a wingman for Meade (he's already got a wingwoman).

Maybe an A-team composed of Fen, AllenS, vnjagvet, and The DrillSGT.

vbspurs said...

Ugh, please. No offence at all intended towards Ann or the purposeful Meade, but if I see another video showing unkempt, cliché-brandishing, elderly white people protesting in Madison, WI, I'll let out a witch howl to match Elizabeth Taylor's.

I'm sorry, I cannot take people who dress themselves as if they rummage blindfolded at the Goodwill, seriously.

Huge character fault, I know, but there you are.

Cheers,
Victoria

Alex said...

Professor - just PLEASE do not become Charles Johnson. That would be a tragedy.

traditionalguy said...

Roachey..."The Press" is any participant in the current public debates possessing the "media tools" needed to get a fresh message out quickly. Not so long ago that meant the owners of a printing press and a distribution system for pamphlets or Papers, hence their name. Then along came the alphabet networks on TV in the early 1950s. Then along came cable TV as Ted Turner started CNN in the late 1080s. In the past 2 years along came U-Tube of digital cameras/phones and the Blogusphere where the time delay has become close to live TV. So yes, L. Meade is currently a bona fide practitioner of the profession called "The Press".

alan markus said...

God, those people suck!

Don't have time to do the research, but perhaps disclosure of donations made by private persons isn't working out so well & needs to be rescinded.

traditionalguy said...

Correction: CNN was in the late 1980s...the 1080s were famous for a Conqueror. And Radio shouldn't count since it is TV without pictures.

vbspurs said...

We do claim to be the press. We are new media. And we have 84,000 page views a day. With better and more interesting coverage of the Wisconsin protests than anywhere else. Damned right we are the press.

In case the ongoing coverage challenges New Meadia's right to report, get a press pass!

Wikipedia:

"You do not need to ask permission from anyone to be a journalist," explains the Periodical Publishers Association; "however, it is sometimes useful to be able to identify yourself as a journalist when needed."

Fprawl said...

Hi Fen,
You're right. It wasn't a pummel. It was more like a noogy.
A better example is the shooting of Sam Catron.

Rival candidate charged in Kentucky Sheriff's murder
April 16, 2002
SOMERSET, KENTUCKY — They were part of what seemed to be a simple campaign for sheriff in a sparsely populated Kentucky county: an ambitious young candidate and two followers who had their sights set on an upcoming primary.

But authorities said the campaign turned deadly when the trio allegedly carried out a plot to kill Pulaski County Sheriff Sam Catron, who was assassinated in a sniper-style shooting at a political rally over the weekend.

On Monday, candidate Jeff Morris, 34, and Kenneth White, 54, were charged with complicity to murder. A third man, Danny Shelley, 30, was charged with pulling the trigger at the rally and fish fry in front of more than 300 people.

Joaquin said...

Corporate Takeover. Tax the Rich. BLAH BLAH BLAH
*YAWN*
Same old playbook.

Fen said...

Thats your better example that Southerners have short tempers?

Gee, as a counter, up here in Maryland there was a shooting over a parking space. Two dead.

roesch-voltaire said...

I accept your definition of new media, but when I worked for the press, I had to give my pass or give my name and affiliation, and so I would suggest a more honest response from Meade would be to state I work for the Althouse Blog. Your claim that our coverage is better than anywhere else fits your selective view of the events. A few times, that I have been at the protest at the same time Meade or you have been reporting on the events and I have noticed on how much you over-look, which is of course your right to do so.

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DADvocate said...

To have freedom of the press, everyone and anyone has to be able to self-appoint themselves as part of the press as long as they actually publish something. A blog that has the level of readership as Althouse certainly qualifies.

Not everyone gets a press pass. The little newspaper I worked at didn't get a press pass everytime it requested one. Larger papers, TV and radio stations often got priority.

Amish bearded man seemed to be attempting some sort of circular argument of the type I have little patience. Meade worked with the guy much longer than I would have.

The one thing I kept thinking about was how bad I would have sounded with my hillbilly/Southern accent from East Tennessee. I can barely stand to listen to recordings of my own voice much of the time. All those years of college and I still sound like someone from Soddy Daisy.

BeachGal said...

Yes, let them start protesting at banks and grocery stores. Let them annoy and alienate all the employees and patrons of these establishments who probably just want to go about their day without being harassed and inconvenienced. They can live in fantasyland not realizing that some ordinary people find them disgusting and greedy.

Fen said...

I accept your definition of new media

Its America's definition, not just ours. Thomas Paine. Look him up.

Where do you think our concept of The Press originated from anyway?

Fen said...

/edit

Just watched the first half. The two guys are not unreasonable. Misguided maybe, but not your typical Union Goon Eichmanns.

Fprawl said...

I don't want to get too far off the topic. I have a visceral response to Picketers marching.

Is there a regional/cultural/socio-economic reason that we don't 'cotton' to unions down here.
Or were we just late to the Industrializing game. Didn't have anything to organize except a few garment plants, and they were off the road. Nobody would see picketers anyway.

Reagan said...

Weird, it is intimidation when people take pictures of Meade but it is journalism when Meade doggystyles a state worker with a Flip?

Come on, you can do better than that.

galdosiana said...

Comrade X said...
Why would they be protesting a small bank?

Same reason that they decided to picket a family-run grocery store like Sendik's. How dare some of their owners/managers exercise their right to contribute to Walker's campaign!! These boycotts will definitely show these jerk corporations, um, I mean, companies...err, small businesses...what democracy looks like!

Fen said...

rv: Your claim that our coverage is better than anywhere else fits your selective view of the events.

Thats rich. Their are some 30 odd networks covering this. Their reporting has all been the same, almost as if its choreographed.

And you complain that Althouse is the one presenting the selective view?

*snicker*

Hoosier Daddy said...

Anyone read the WSJ today? They have an article about public employees retiring en masse and lamenting doing so in fear of losing even more benefits. I enjoyed the sob story of a husband-wife who are teachers taking their retirement. The husband with 37 years teaching will get: A stipend of $600 per every year of service. Full health insurance until age 65 and a pension. That is from the article itself. Not sure how the stipend differs from a pension.

After reading that I really am sorry I didn't become a teacher. And in Wisconsin no less.

Fen said...

Reagan: Weird, it is intimidation when people take pictures of Meade but it is journalism when Meade doggystyles a state worker with a Flip?

No one said that. No one but you.

Come on, you can do better than that.

Keep stroking that strawman.

DADvocate said...

Fprawl - Give Somerset a break. Pulaski County, of which Somerset it the county seat, has a lower than the national crime rate for everything except murder and burglary, but Kentucky as a whole is lower in every category. Sometimes a couple of extra murders can send a small county over the top in stats for a year because the population is so small.

Frankly, I agree Southerners are less likely to put up with a bunch of shit. But, random crime is lower in general, too, except for Memphis.

Freeman Hunt said...

These protests are too irrational and unfocused.

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roesch-voltaire said...

Fen, I think all coverage is selective, not just the one from Althouse, I just don't think one is necessarily better than the other, and actually am distrustful of the corporate owned media as much as anyone else ( look at the terrible coverage of the tragedy in Japan for example). So I think multiple views that include the Hitler signs, featured by Althouse, along with the Firemen marching to bagpipes, featured by Isthmus is necessary to understand this event.

lemondog said...

Looks like bank protest not new, with lots of drawing of lines.......

M&I Bank Protest: Stop Bankrolling Attacks On Workers

We're not going to take it anymore. We're drawing a line. We're drawing a line between bailouts of big banks like M&I and our broken economy. We're drawing a line between CEO pay and the right-wing political agenda of Scott Walker.

traditionalguy said...

The early retirement tactic is straight forward. It shifts the high salaried high grade bureaucrats salaries out of the budget. It moves that burden to the retirement system. The lowered active salary costs look good for a few years , but then the retirement system sucks up the savings. The rule of setting pensions at a % of the last 2 years of worked salary also scares the un-retired in this new era of salary cuts.

lemondog said...

List of Wisconsin protest events

traditionalguy said...

Meade has made 3 friends, including a Jeremy. But wait until their Union Lawyer Minder sees the video of Meade out smarting them. He will become very mad in Madison tonight.

LordSomber said...

Kuato is my Wingman.

TweetLoaf said...

I'm protesting M&I bank as a consumer because they can sell/report your intimate private financial and medical info to third parties including the IRS

http://www.mibankexposesyou.info/

Blue Ox said...

You should have asked the dude with the neckbeard and my sister's ski vest from 1975 if the Bill of Rights entitled you to strut around the rotunda brandishing an M16.

You mean just because a right is in the Constitution, there can be limits placed upon it? Whaaaa??!!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I'm sorry, I cannot take people who dress themselves as if they rummage blindfolded at the Goodwill, seriously.

Then you must be terribly disappointed in Michelle Obama.

Sorry.....couldn't resist. I usually compare her clothing to a Salvation Army sale bin purchase.

:-D

Sixty Grit said...

Aw, look, Tweetie's Loaf's mommy let him out of the basement, all by himself, to go prance around because a bank is potentially selling some of his information. What do you have to hide, you no-job-havin' loafer?

Carol_Herman said...

Well, there are so few of them. And, they've got to be kept busy.

Why is this chosen? To make it unpleasant to go to this bank to transact business.

Is it effective? NO!

Will they go away? YUP. Like yesterday's litter.

Is it fun to watch you compose stuff every single day? Oh, you bet'cha. Wouldn't miss coming here for the world.

You know banks had to learn about dealing with robbers, who, like Willy Sutton, got drawn to them, because "you could smell da' money."

Banks love it now when you're willing to have your paychecks dropped in by "Direct Deposit."

I used to think this was a convenience for employees to get their paychecks into banks before they could "walk it over."

Gosh, when I was young (and it drove my mom crazy to see this). People came by to banks each week to make "Christmas Accounts" deposits. And, the banks didn't even pay interest!

Oh, as far as security goes, banks know how to activate silent alarms.

Carol_Herman said...

Both sides try to showcase their dingbats. For republicans its the religious claim that you really want to stay pregnant. FOOLS. On both sides.

Sadly, an image that you support peaceful assembly works better than the shopworn religious harangues.

vnjagvet said...

edutcher:

If I physically could do it, I'd be in Madison tomorrow to act as wingman or as anything else that might be useful. As it is, I am happy to provide any legal assistance that I can from afar. With the internet and email, it's pretty easy to research and to prepare briefs and pleadings.

I suspect before this is all over, people on both sides will be resorting to the courts.

Meade's memorializing "the rest of the story" is getting under the protestors' skin. As a former management labor lawyer whose duties involved monitoring and controlling union picketing, I would advise him to be ever vigilant.

Meade said...

There's an assumption that I don't have a wingman but where is evidence for that assumption?

My own working assumption always is that everyone has a wingman and everyone is packing heat. Why not?

Michael K said...

"A few times, that I have been at the protest at the same time Meade or you have been reporting on the events and I have noticed on how much you over-look, which is of course your right to do so."

Video cameras are cheap now.

"actually am distrustful of the corporate owned media as much as anyone else"

You mean the New York Times ?

Me, too.

Meade said...

But I truly do appreciate all the offers. I'm profoundly heartened by all the support I've received. (I'm also heartened by the criticism expressed by r/voltaire, alphalfa liberal, garage, et al.)

Rich B said...

Meade-

Nice work you've done. I do have a question - are you retired? Or have you just found a new career?

William said...

The "private interest" lawyer has a dog in the fight. I wonder what private inerest he represents.

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

"My own working assumption always is that everyone has a wingman and everyone is packing heat. Why not?"

This is sound and has always worked for me.

PaulV said...

Don't mess with Meade, girly boys.

Raul said...

State Senator Randy Hopper:

Valerie Cass, a former Republican legislative staffer, was hired Feb. 7 as a communications specialist with the state Department of Regulation and Licensing.

His estranged wife, Alysia, issued a statement to WTMJ-TV (Channel 4) accusing Hopper, 45, of beginning an affair with Cass, 26, last year. He filed for divorce in August.

vbspurs said...

Rich B wrote:

Nice work you've done. I do have a question - are you retired? Or have you just found a new career?

Without meaning to insult you, Rich, your question reminds me of just how little we expect from people today, and how much we expect them to stick to one thing at a time.

There is no room for a Jeffersonian Renaissance Man today; a man who was not defined by one profession, but in the breadth of his curiosity of life.

Meade said...

Rich B, I'm not retired. I'm still a freelance landscape garden designer. I have a lot of control over scheduling my work time but things will soon get very busy.

shoutingthomas said...

Rich B, I'm not retired. I'm still a freelance landscape garden designer. I have a lot of control over scheduling my work time but things will soon get very busy.

Hey Meade, I know a number of musicians who are in the landscaping biz.

Including one who bought big time equipment and tends estates in NJ. He's making $100k. Quit a corporate job.

Jeremy said...

Could you people possibly S-U-C-K any harder on Needy and The Queen?

The entire blog site has a regular crew of about 20 sycophants who spend literally every day of their lives locked onto these two teabagger's asses.

It's kind of creepy.

William said...

Most people are generally sane with a few eccentricities. I would bet, however, that those demonstrators--the compulsive ones who feel the need to picket small banks-- have far more eccentricities than gears that mesh smoothly. I would be on my guard in their company. Lee Harvey Oswald is far more typical of left wing activists than Joe McCarthy is typical of right wing anti Communists.

Meade said...

"(I'm also heartened by the criticism expressed by r/voltaire, alphalfa liberal, garage, et al.)"

Omitted naming Jeremy.

New Media Meade regrets the error.

TMink said...

Jeremy, it is creepy. We SO suck. I would leave and never come back if I were you. Our loss. Shake the dust off your sandals.

Trey

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

Oh look, Jeremy lifted his leg and peed on the thread, bad boy, sit!

Meade said...

lemondog said...
List of Wisconsin protest events

3/23/11 11:59 AM

If anyone feels like emailing us the "Events" schedule (top right of the Defend Wisconsin homepage), I would much appreciate it. Our IP address seems to have been flagged to deny us permission to view.

Thanks in advance.

cubanbob said...

Ann Althouse said...
We do claim to be the press. We are new media. And we have 84,000 page views a day. With better and more interesting coverage of the Wisconsin protests than anywhere else. Damned right we are the press.

3/23/11 11:09 AM

I'm so happy my contribution to the camera has been part of such a resounding success. Thanks MeadeHouse. Long live the new media.

vnjagvet said...

Let's face it Jeremy. It is a bit weird that you spend so much time interacting with sycophants of people you despise. It must SUCK to realize there is nothing you can do to change their point of view. As a matter of fact your comments reinforce my opinion that liberal trolls are useless and pitiful.

JohnJ said...

"Meade claims to be part of the 'press'"

Citizen journalists stepping in for a cowering MSM.

Damned right!

(What's not to admire?)

Joe said...

I hate to Break it to the usual suspects/rent a protest crew, but M&I Bank is no longer a "local" concern. It has been acquired by a large Canadian Bank and their TARP Loans will be repaid by the new owner: Bank of Montreal. It kind of lends a certain je ne c'est quoi to the petty provincial protestors who will get nowhere with Canadian bankers.

PaulV said...

Fen, even union thugs have more control when they know they are on camera. It does not make them any smarter

Jeremy said...

Oh, Needy...now you've gone and hurt my feelings.

The "New Media" of which you and the others here speak is nothing more than a teabagger carrying a camera, and who would have no audience at all if not for being backed by the one who's actually in charge, and that of course, is The Queen.

The fact that you have to latch onto your sidekick's coattails to make a name for youself is also rather creepy.

The entire site, especailly the local teabagger crew who worship both of you to such a degree would be funny if it weren't so sad.

If not for me and a few others with a counter point of view didn't stop by to throw out jabs and alternative arguments or information, you could all be working off one computer.

It's nothing more than a gigantic teabagger suckfest, with you and The Queen lapping it up for all it's worth.

Simon said...

Meade, I don't think it's your IP—I get the very same thing ("Events from one or more calendars could not be shown here because you do not have the permission to view them"). Assuming that it isn't a coding error, presumably one has to log in somehow to view the calender.

David said...

Meade is a freelance horticulturist, which is a lefty friendly job description if I ever heard one. He has spent the last month studying native plants in Madison.

Heads are exploding all over Madison.

Jeremy said...

Here's another branch of the teabagger's brand of "New Media."

Conservative activist and filmmaker James O'Keefe has racked up about $50,000 in credit card debt and now he wants hig teabagger supporters to pay it off.

He sent an email to supporters claiming that he is deep in debt.

"If you help us raise over $50,000, it will go toward our next video -- after we pay off our credits cards, of course."

*Oh, and he's also seeking nonprofit status for his organziation...so you and the rest of the local teabaggers here, and of course the American taxpayer can pay for his future exploits.

David said...

Jeremy's Profile:

About Me
An all around delightful, engaging, educated, personable, fun, funny, romantic, fit, and liberal human being.

Create a tagline for a new line of plastic bedsheets.
Slippery When Wet


Nice internal contradiction, Mr. J.

doris said...

Meade to the protestor: "You have the right to freely express yourself until you encroach on other people's freedom to express themselves."

I do not think this is a correct statement of the constitutional limits on free speech in the U.S. Just ask the folks at Westboro Baptist Church with their nice signs who were victorious before the U.S. Supremes.

I think the correct limit at work at our capitol is about public safety. "Clear and present danger" test, no?

Rich B said...

Meade-

Just curious.

Vbspurs, I am not insulted or was I trying to insult. My wife tells me that I am too blunt.

As Rush has often said, in this country, you can create your own job.

Jeremy - I know you dislike most of the commenters here, but is there a place where you are welcome?

traditionalguy said...

Jeremy...We do appreciate you. You are like the gunnery Target towed behind a plane during AA practice shooting. That is Anti Aircraft shooting. But check with the NEA Union about getting some compensation for fighting in The Battle of Madison. There might be a national position for you there doing blog wrestling for them. And remember you will owe me a donation to the Palin Campaign after she wrests the GOP nomination from Karl Rove's hands.

DADvocate said...

"If you help us raise over $50,000, it will go toward our next video -- after we pay off our credits cards, of course."

*Oh, and he's also seeking nonprofit status for his organziation...so you and the rest of the local teabaggers here, and of course the American taxpayer can pay for his future exploits.


And, we can voluntarily send or not send him money, unlike our taxes going to NPR, ACORN, Cadillac pension plans and God knows what other groups, or being forced to pay union dues.

Maybe, you don't understand what not-for-profit means. The not-for-profit corp does not pay taxes, which you could twist around to our paying for it except none of the money they get necessarily comes from our taxes, unlike NPR, ACORN, Planned Parenthood and many other not-for-profits that do get government funding.

Employees of not-for-profits still pay income tax and all other taxes.

Are trying to deliberately mislead or are you just stupid?

Jeremy said...

Rich - "Jeremy - I know you dislike most of the commenters here, but is there a place where you are welcome?"

I don't dislike anybody here. I don't know anybody here.

I do dislike and disagree with the constant bashing of literally anything president says, proposes or does, and I also think most of the people here are really just looking for anybody they can to support and agree with whatever they think.

There's little if any real debate or even discussion here. 99% of the comments are nothing more than a regugitation of what a fellow teabagger has already said.

And of course, the constant sucking up to The Queen and Needy is rather sad, but I guess when you're desperate for someone to agree with your political views, you have to take what you can get in the way of friends.

Just read through the comment on this thread and show me any form of real debate or discussion.

The "discussion" is nothing more than comment after comment sucking up to Needy or throwing out barbs relating to anybody or anything with whom you disagree.

Whenever I stop by to rile up the regular teabagger gang I always wonder what you say to those around in in your personal life who teach or belong to unions or actually support some of the things the president does.

It must get pretty uncomfortable for some of your friends when they realize you think that they're nothing more than anti-American "leftists" or "socialist" thugs.

The Queen's blog is no different than many of the other right wing sites that offer up nothing more than the usual Obama/Democrat bashing that makes them so popular with people like yourself.

This site used to be a tad more openminded and balanced, but it's become more and more right wing as the months have gone by.

I think Needy contributes much to that, almost as much as The Queen's love of attention.

As for "a place where (I am) welcome"...sure, there are all kinds of places (even face to face) where I discuss and debate politics and sports with people who have the guts to give and take, and even (and I know you're going to find this hard to fathom)...acquiesce a point or agree to disagreee.

PaulV said...

Jeremy, Meade may upset you, just go home and cry to your momma, don't cry in public and make a fool of yourself.

SukieTawdry said...

Hoosier Daddy said: I enjoyed the sob story of a husband-wife who are teachers taking their retirement.

I liked the guy who retired at 50 because he was afraid they'd up the retirement age to 55 and he'd get "stuck" (oh, the humanity). He'll be getting a pension of about $3000/mo and has been rehired by his agency as a consultant. Nice work if you can get it.

JohnJ said...

@Jeremy
Don't quite get the "teabagger" slur. Is that one of those "broad brush" indictments?

Also don't get the O'Keefe reference. I find his hidden video schtick a bit tiresome, but you'd have to admit that it's sometimes revealing. If you're trying to draw parallels to the Althouse/Meade videos, I don't see it. The Madison protesters were recorded in public, with no apparent attempt to conceal the camera. They had every opportunity to be on their best behavior—which, of course, makes the videos that Meade captured even more enlightening…disturbing…infuriating.

I do like the two dogs.

rhhardin said...

I never understood why bombers flew in formation, which seemed to me to make an attractive bulk target that only made fire more effective, until I pruned a rose bush.

Jeremy said...

JohnJ - The local commenters are teabaggers.

Get it?

P.S. - Paul - Cry me a river.

DADvocate said...

Here you go, Jeremy, maybe this will make you feel better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD8ljNobUys

Lukedog said...

@David,

"Meade is a freelance horticulturist, which is a lefty friendly job description if I ever heard one. He has spent the last month studying native plants in Madison.

Heads are exploding all over Madison."

I guess your saying that Meade knows a lot about plants and also supports some conservative viewpoints?

Sounds like you're inclined to stereotype people? so you suspect every else does that too?

JohnJ said...

"JohnJ - The local commenters are teabaggers."
"Get it?"

Got it.

Clever.

Hagar said...

The wearing of sheep bells seems appropriate.

Rich B said...

Jeremy-

That was probably the most civil post of any of yours that I have read. You made your points with a minimum of rancor and very clearly.

What I have learned is that many of my left-leaning friends and acquaintances do not welcome dissenting opinions and if I express any such views, they are offended. Consequently, I avoid contentious political topics, in the interest of harmony. I do know a few who like a good debate and don't get in a lather. Of course, you need to know when to knock off.

My wife is a teacher and I have had a ringside seat to the machinations of her union. It was not pretty.

AlphaLiberal said...

So, Meade can stalk people with his camera so he can put edited gotchya videos on the internet.

But if someone takes a picture of Meade WHOA! REPRESSION!

Do you even hear yourself? Just more double standards.

Here's a hint: If you can run around taking pics of people that you use against them, the exact same thing can be done to you.

Renee said...

Jeremy,

In your profile, you describe yourself as "An all around delightful, engaging, educated, personable, fun, funny, romantic, fit, and liberal human being."

I'm not feeling it in your postings here. It's easy to get frustrated, especially when we make an effort to read blogs one doesn't agree with. There's a point though, when you end up sounding the way you have presented yourself. It may be time to just take a break and regroup.

Renee

BeachGal said...

"Could you people possibly S-U-C-K any harder on Needy and The Queen?

The entire blog site has a regular crew of about 20 sycophants who spend literally every day of their lives locked onto these two teabagger's asses.

It's kind of creepy."


"There's little if any real debate or even discussion here. 99% of the comments are nothing more than a regugitation of what a fellow teabagger has already said." - Jeremy

Most of your comments are just insults and you have the balls to complain about the lack of debate and discussion on here?

DADvocate said...

But if someone takes a picture of Meade WHOA! REPRESSION!

Do you even hear yourself? Just more double standards.


You're claiming someone is saying taking the picture of Meade is repression. Reagan said:

Weird, it is intimidation when people take pictures of Meade but it is journalism when Meade doggystyles a state worker with a Flip?

But I can't find anyone in the comments or in the post itself where anyone says either thing.

Do you ever hear yourself? Or, just make up stupid shit and lies as you go along.

Trooper York said...

We have been having a problem with a bunch of nannies who stand outside the store to yap instead of taking the little kids they supposed to watch to the park. The kids sit on the entrance to the store and block anyone from getting in. They smear their chocolate covered hands on my glass door and they erase my chalkboard sign in front of the store. Then nannies don't correct them but let them run wild. When the wife went outside a screaming match enused.

I was there the next day and the nannies came back to bust balls again to pick up where they left off. I came out very calmly with a camera and started taking their pictures. They freaked out and wanted to know why I was taking their photo. I told them I was sending the photo's to my buddy who works for the INS. And I would be enquring to see if their employer had been paying the employment taxes.

For some reason they ran away.

Taking a photo can be a powerful thing.

lemondog said...

@Meade, try this link:

Events

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Alex said...

The entire blog site has a regular crew of about 20 sycophants who spend literally every day of their lives locked onto these two teabagger's asses.

It's kind of creepy.


What's even creepier is your obsession with with testicles.

AlphaLiberal said...

Yeah, OK, you promised that was interesting and it really wasn't, outside of your double standard.

Oh, and it's kind of interesting how Meade gets up in the young bearded fellows face, which, of course, proves just how persecuted was Meade.

Oh, this is rich, from Althouse:

With better and more interesting coverage of the Wisconsin protests than anywhere else.

The hell you do. You lie about us constantly, trying to paint us as mean "thugs." You have an outcome-based agenda, which is to make us look bad and have a really bad understanding of the issues (this bank protest, for example).

You ignore major events: like the judge declaring the Capitol lockdown unconstitutional, Sen Randy Hopper and his sweetheart getting a job, Grothman and his hugs, not to mention the human impact of the anti-worker policies you champion.

You don't make an effort to fairly represent the protesters you "cover." You "bear false witness."

But, yeah, sure, you're "press," even if you're full of shit. I agree. Many other citizen journalists out there. You just serve the partisans who hate workers trying to maintain their rights.

Fen said...

You lie about us constantly, trying to paint us as mean "thugs."

Poor AlphaLibtard. Yes, there really are Union Thugs. Althouse spotlighted them for all to see. And the poor little Eichmanns like you can't stand it.

Union Thugs!
Union Thugs!
Union Thugs!

AlphaLiberal said...

DADAdvocate:


But I can't find anyone in the comments or in the post itself where anyone says either thing.

Do you ever hear yourself? Or, just make up stupid shit and lies as you go along.


No, "genius". I read. You know, English?

Ann Althouse, from this very post on which you are commenting:

Watch for him to step out of the line and talk to some other guy, who then takes a picture of Meade. And then there are those 2 other guys who are suddenly up in Meade's face, who follow Meade as he leaves to go into the Capitol. Are they going to intimidate Meade?

My emphasis.

It's all pretty insipid stuff. People who stalk other people with cameras complain when someone points a camera at them and darkly hint that it's "intimidation."

But when they are out taking pictures (and editing the video heavily) it's not "intimidation."

Dumb!

Fen said...

Jeremy: The local commenters are teabaggers.

How frustrating it must be for you, perv. A room full of teabaggers, but no one will let you suck our balls.

Maybe go back to your Gay Bath House, little libtard.

AlphaLiberal said...

Fen, I think you need to increase the dosage.

Ann Althouse said...

"But if someone takes a picture of Meade WHOA! REPRESSION!"

1. Meade didn't scream repression. He merely laughed at the guy.

2. People doing a demonstration are trying to be seen. They want their message out. I think that radically transforms the etiquette when it comes to photography. I've been having a great time with the protests in part because I finally can just point my camera at people and get lots of interesting stuff. They'll usually stop and pose and smile too. There is no "don't take my picture." It wouldn't make sense under the circumstances. If they didn't want to be seen, they wouldn't be demonstrating.

3. When someone comes over to photograph Meade, what is the situation? He's not demonstrating. So, I would say the inference is that they are suspicious of him. They're wondering what he's doing. What's the etiquette? I'd say, if someone takes a picture of you, you can surely take a picture of them, but it is different from photographing a demonstrator, and I do think these guys, getting up in Meade's face, double and triple teaming him, wanted to push him back.

Fen said...

AlpahLibtard: Watch for him to step out of the line and talk to some other guy, who then takes a picture of Meade. And then there are those 2 other guys who are suddenly up in Meade's face, who follow Meade as he leaves to go into the Capitol. Are they going to intimidate Meade?

My emphasis.


I edited your emphasis above to show all the steps between "take a picture" and "intimidate" that you missed.

This is why people think you are stupid, Alpha. Its right there in front of your face, and you STILL get it wrong.

But I especially love to hear your whines about Union Thugs being "misrepresented". Because conservatives have been enduring much worse for decades now. No doubt, tomorrow you will tear your hair out if Meade uses an anonymous source?

TomHynes said...

Meade should get a Hatcam.
http://www.amazon.com/Hatcam-Baseball-Universal-Mount-Recording/dp/B004DSICW8

It is a mount for a Flip video on a baseball cap.

When people come up to him, he just looks them in the eye and they are on video. Pointing a camera at someone when they are standing 3 feet away is aggressive, but the hat is not.

AlphaLiberal said...

No, Meade, you cannot exercise 1st amendment on the second floor without having a State Trooper come up and threaten you with arrest. Or many state troopers.

Which, again, directly contradicts the judge's order and is unconstitutional.

Gee, wasn't there some Tea Party line about protecting the Constitution? Oh, unless it means your opponents get a chance to speak.

And, again, to your claim to be the best press out there, you don't even know that. Because, why would you, a partisan, pay attention to something that shows Scott Walker is violating the Constitution?

You will never report on anything that reflects badly on Walker. So, "press" is not quite right. "Propagandist" fits you much better.

Comrade X said...

People who stalk other people

the protesters were stalking people who made campaign contributions. keep playing that game and citizens might start stalking them right back at their jobs, which would be uncomfortable because of all the pretend working that would be necessary.

Maguro said...

"Propagandist" fits you much better.

The irony, it burns...

Marti said...

It seems to me that these fellas are trying to justify their waste of time by arguing with Meade about their obnoxious protesting and past occupation of the capital. They like to try and sound smart, however, I wonder if they ever apply that anywhere else? Just because you have a right, doesn't make it right. And, as a newbie to this blog, thank you new Meadea for the fantastic job being the press.

Fen said...

AlphaLibtard: I think you need to increase the dosage.

You're the one having a meltdown because you think your side has been "misrepresented".

And its hysterical, because you misrepresent your political opponents every day you post here.

shoutingthomas said...

For those commenters who keep coming here insisting that the comments section is doctrinaire about something, please tell me:

What is the doctrine?

About all you can say is that the usual commenters are not reliably PC liberal.

You don't know that anybody here is a member of the Tea Party. I'm not, although I'm mildly sympathetic. I don't really know enough about the Tea Party to know whether I'd join it.

Althouse is liberal about social issues and mildly conservative about financial issues.

So, what's the bitch? I don't get it?

It seems that PC liberals are just so used to doctrinaire agreement that agreement on any single issue is evidence of Tea Party membership, right wing identification, etc.

AlphaLiberal said...

OK, I listened to parts of that second video and Meade sounded downright idiotic. Dumb.

Meade: The protests were not peaceful because they were loud. And there was drumming!

News flash: A protest can be "loud and raucous" and still be peaceful

Meade: We have a "republic system" (actually, that's called checks and balances) to protect speech. Almost immediately, he says that Walker does not have to follow the judge's order because the judge is from Dane County! (again, you're free to leave, Meade).

The Capitol is open -- except for all the closed doors, the long waits when more than 10 people want to get in, the intrusive searches.

Free speech in Meade's Bizarro world means that a Republican governor can limit the speech of his opponents to one small area of the capitol and restrict their access and numbers.

Honestly, I thought I'd heard it all. In reality, you do not believe in free speech, Meade. You failed the test because you don't defend free speech when it is used by people who disagree with you.

Shameful and dishonest stuff!

Fen said...

See? Not 5 minutes and AlphaLibtard is back to misrepresenting others.

What a whiney little hypocrite.

shoutingthomas said...

Honestly, I thought I'd heard it all. In reality, you do not believe in free speech, Meade. You failed the test because you don't defend free speech when it is used by people who disagree with you.

Shameful and dishonest stuff!

There are no restriction on free speech on this blog, and Meade isn't an authority figure who has the ability to limit anybody's free speech.

You really are an asshole.

BJM said...

@R-V

...well I am glad that he has found a job--

Argumentum ad hominem is the last resort of scoundrels and those who cannot defend their position...and you a professor!

Carol_Herman said...

This is the first day I've seen a light rain, falling.

Ah, and, yes. Da cut chewing lawyer. When he does work? (This time he blew a whistle. So, maybe, he's paid to coach these people, and to distribute signs.)

I wonder if the gal who sits in the Rotunda, with the signs spread about, courtesy of Assemblyman Hulsey, has wet signs today?

When the kid seem to be asking "what press," you're entitled to say "The new Meade-ia"

For a rainy day, Madison, Wisconsin looks lovely enough, that you don't need to carry an umbrella. And, every day the legs on this story moves forward.

This is such great stuff! Almost as good as getting to live in Madison.

JohnJ said...

"So, 'press' is not quite right. 'Propagandist' fits you much better."

Well, of course, one can be both, but I'm not sure that that qualifies as a clever insight.

Much of the grumbling on several of the threads seems to center on the injustice of presenting protesters in an unflattering light. While that's understandable, I don't see how one can simply ignore the ugliness and buffoonery that was on public display at the Capitol. What kind of excuse does the left have for that? (I mean other than those insultingly hackneyed slogans.)

The Grand Inquisitor said...

"Almost immediately, he says that Walker does not have to follow the judge's order because the judge is from Dane County!"

Alphaliberal, this comment seems out of place in your claim that Meade doesn't support free speech. It sounds a lot like you're just throwing any incoherent comment you can at him, but it's not logically related to whether or not Meade supports free speech.

Also, you are radically distorting his claims. Why? It's very unpersuasive.

Why are you so angry and personal about this?

Jeremy said...

RichB - "What I have learned is that many of my left-leaning friends and acquaintances do not welcome dissenting opinions and if I express any such views, they are offended."

Really?

And I suppose the right leaning people you know love to hear and discuss opposing viewpoints?

If that's the case, why in the world are you here?

The regulars who visit this site on a daily basis never debate anything. They comment in lockstep, basically agreeing with anything already said, occasionaly adding more to the right wing fire, and of course, opposing literally anything the president says or does.

Show me where the debate or real discussion appears on this site...other than when I or a few others with opposing viewpoints throw in their two cents worth.

AlphaLiberal said...

Inqy:

As I said, it's in the 2nd video posted here. In the first few minutes. Meade's words.

Here is how it works for those who actually respect and abide the Constitution.

If a judge declares the actions of an official to be unconstitutional, as is the case here today, then an official should abide by the judge's ruling while they appeal.

Instead, Walker is doing the same thing that the judge ruled to be unconstitutional.

And this is where Meade fails the test of supporting free speech: he will not uphold the principle when the speech is exercised by people he disagrees with.

So, he really does not support free speech (which includes loud and raucous speech).

Jeremy said...

BeachGal - Show me where the regulars her debate anything. Show me where there is any form of disagreement. Show me where anybody here isn't sucking up to The Queen or Needy.

This isn't a discussion thread, it's a suckfest among teabaggers.

Jeremy said...

Fen - Why is it you're so offfended by the term "teabaggers" while at the same time constantly throwing out that "sucking balls" thingie?

The Tea Party started the whole thing, without researching other definitions of the term...and now you whine about anybody calling you a teabagger.

*The National Review: The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.”

Quit bitching and take it like a man.

Jeremy said...

Alex - "What's even creepier is your obsession with with testicles."

Where exactly have I mentioned testicles?

AlphaLiberal said...

JohnJ:

I don't see how one can simply ignore the ugliness and buffoonery that was on public display at the Capitol.

Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. I've been close to tears at time, marching with the trades of my ancestors, other times laughing at the wit of people expressing themselves in so many creative ways.

While people who want to cut wages and demean public workers will find it ugly that people are expressing so much support.

I get it. The right wing wants lower wages for all workers, public and private workers alike (no? Show one example of Republicans working for higher wages). I've learned from this that many righties actually do hate the idea that workers might have pensions. Righties love greed and are appalled at criticism of greed.

So people like this will, of course, see ugliness in any democratic expression opposed to that austerity agenda. But the fault lies with those who want to impoverish their neighbors.

Personally, I think it's been beautiful, except for the reason we have to do it.

shoutingthomas said...

While people who want to cut wages and demean public workers will find it ugly that people are expressing so much support.

The point is not to demean public workers. The taxpayers can't afford the luxurious wages and benefits that public unions got as kickbacks from Democratic polls they bought.



Most of us pay for part or all of our pensions. Taxpayers can't afford to give public employees a free ride.

But the fault lies with those who want to impoverish their neighbors.

Stop being a fucking asshole. Public employees are not going to be impoverished, and you know it asshole.

Stop pretending. This pretending bullshit you do is asinine.

Jeremy said...

The Queen - "I'd say, if someone takes a picture of you, you can surely take a picture of them, but it is different from photographing a demonstrator, and I do think these guys, getting up in Meade's face, double and triple teaming him, wanted to push him back."

Oh, please.

You talk like Needy is some kind of investigative journalist, just doing his job, and being "intimidated" by those who want to stop the truth.

He's nothing more than your teabagger sidekick carrying a camera, trying to get somebody to do or say anything you might use on your blog site as chum for the regulars.

There's been plenty of actual "reporting" done on what's taken place in Wisconsin, by real reporters.

Needy is there to represent and present only one side of the issue...yours.

AlphaLiberal said...

Wow. And Meade is pretty rude, as well. Pointing his finger in peoples faces, cutting them off.

And he's full of shit. I had many conversations with people during the protests, including the Thursday when they violated state Open Meeting laws and railroaded the bill through.

Jeremy:
Show me where the regulars her debate anything.

Really, they don't. I used to come here to try to have an actual exchange but over the years the righties have just gotten so base and crude all they can do is hurl insults (see: Fen).

Ah, now I'll have to work late. Damn, I was going to go take videos of Meade being a jerk down at the Capitol, too.

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shoutingthomas said...

Well, shit, jerk.

Althouse and Meade are the proprietors of this blog.

You just figured that out?

If you want to present your side, start your own blog. And, nobody is stopping you from making a jackass out of yourself on this blog, either.

Simon said...

AlphaLiberal said...
"Here is how it works for those who actually respect and abide the Constitution. ¶ If a judge declares the actions of an official to be unconstitutional, as is the case here today, then an official should abide by the judge's ruling while they appeal."

Exactly. That's why the Obama administration immediately iced all plans to implement Obamacare after Judge Vinson ruled it unconstitutional, pending their appeal.

Jeremy said...

shoutingthomas - If there's anybody who can, without a doubt, expound on assholes...it would certainly be you.

You're just a loud mouthed homophobic bigot.

shoutingthomas said...

You're just a loud mouthed homophobic bigot.

And you said there was never any disagreement on this blog!

Happy now, jackass?

ricpic said...

Hey AL, planning to be with your buddies in the CPUSA for another "day of action" in Madison on April 4th? AL knows all about this but for those who have to work the Left is going to use MLK's assassination day as an excuse to riot in Madison.

Jeremy said...

John J - "...I don't see how one can simply ignore the ugliness and buffoonery that was on public display at the Capitol."

And can we all assume you're directing that at one side only?

And can you describe or give us an example of this "ugliness and buffoonery?"

Michael K said...

"Whenever I stop by to rile up the regular teabagger gang I always wonder what you say to those around in in your personal life who teach or belong to unions or actually support some of the things the president does. "

It's amusing to see this sort of thing because, as those of us who do read leftist blogs and try to comment, they are completely intolerant of any deviation from the party line. The inverse of your comment would be deleted at Washington Monthly.

Jeremy said...

ricpic - "...the Left is going to use MLK's assassination day as an excuse to riot in Madison."

And you base this ridiculous comment on what?

Bullshit and you know it.

Jeremy said...

shoutingthomas "And you said there was never any disagreement on this blog!"

Not among the teabagging regulars.

Chip Ahoy said...

Maguro, two things.

Apologies if this is out of line, may I ask, does your online handle refer to the bluefin tuna?

I clicked on your link and then clicked on another link there and read a few pages where I encountered the word 'depucelated,' it's defined as 'defloured,' by several sources. But I wonder, shouldn't that be 'deflowered?'

Michael K said...

"Blogger Jeremy said...

Could you people possibly S-U-C-K any harder on Needy and The Queen?

The entire blog site has a regular crew of about 20 sycophants who spend literally every day of their lives locked onto these two teabagger's asses.

It's kind of creepy."

Talk about needy !!!

Notice how it is sliding into the obscene vocabulary that leftists mistake for macho ?

Fella, you need a hobby.

Bad.

AlphaLiberal said...

shouting thomas:

The point is not to demean public workers.

Oh, really? Even with all the name-calling against public workers as "slobs," "parasites," all the other insults we've endured for weeks.

The taxpayers can't afford the luxurious wages and benefits

Luxurious? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Do you even live here? Wages are lower than the private sector for same type work and education level. Benefits are better than in most private sector cases but we should improve private sector benefits! Instead, Walker openly said public workers need to be made "have nots."

Most of us pay for part or all of our pensions. Taxpayers can't afford to give public employees a free ride.

No, pubcli workers pay for 100% of their benefits now. It's all part of the same compensation package and they accept lower wages for better retirement.

For example, the right wing takes (and inflates) total wages and benefits and then waves that around to suggest public workers are getting rich, and they very dishonestly comapre that to private sector wages only.

Public employees are not going to be impoverished, and you know it asshole.

You continue to demonstrate embarrassingly low reading comprehension.

I didn't say all public workers would be impoverished. I said that's the agenda of the right wing. I base that on the numerous plans by Republican Governors to increase taxes on the poor and cut taxes on the rich. Also on the Republican opposition to creating jobs or fighting unemployment. (Where are those jobs plans again?)

Also, on the Republican love for low wages. I invited an example of how Republicans raise wages for working people. but you got nothin' but insults and ignorance.

Jeremy said...

Michael K - "It's amusing to see this sort of thing because, as those of us who do read leftist blogs and try to comment, they are completely intolerant of any deviation from the party line."

First of all I appreciate your honesty in identifying this as a right wing blog site.

Second, I'd like to say that my comments regarding a lack of real discussion or debate also relates to sites that are, as you describe them; "leftst blogs."

There are plenty of sites that offer up articles and reports that result in pretty good discussions and debates, with parties from both sides of the aisle and issue offering up credible opinions and counter opinions.

The Daily Beast for one provides all kinds of reporting from every angle...with plenty of criticism of the actions of president Obama and others you love to attack.

Give it shot...maybe you'll learn something.

Jeremy said...

Michael K - ANd you immediately confirm the crux of my comment.

Keep on sucking...maybe The Queen and Needy will give you a cookie.

AlphaLiberal said...

Michael K:

they are completely intolerant of any deviation from the party line.

Uh, Michael? I just was called an "asshole" for pointing out that Republicans oppose efforts to increase wages.

Have you read anything by Fen?

Really, almost any post here? If someone disagrees with righties, they are immediately insulted.

And you would call that "tolerant?"

shoutingthomas said...

First of all I appreciate your honesty in identifying this as a right wing blog site.

Jeremy, you are such a fucking idiot. This is not a right wing blog, nor did the writer identify it as such.

Althouse is simply not a PC liberal.

This sends fruitcakes like you into fits.

Althouse is liberal on social issues, and somewhat conservative on financial issues.

This obsession you have with doctrinaire PC makes you a damned idiot.

Well, you're probably just an idiot by nature.

Now, why don't you take your obsession with PC loyalty and go fuck yourself. Or, suck some testicles.

AlphaLiberal said...

And then there are those 2 other guys who are suddenly up in Meade's face, who follow Meade as he leaves to go into the Capitol.

Fen said this showed people were harassing poor Meade. Well, if you look at 1:53, the guy is just standing there holding up his phone and then Meade walks up to him and gets in his face.

Althouse:
1. Meade didn't scream repression. He merely laughed at the guy.

I didn't say he did. I was making fun of your originating post where you allege "intimidation."

Michael said...

AL: "I didn't say all public workers would be impoverished. I said that's the agenda of the right wing."

The right wing would like for no one to be impoverished, on the contrary conservatives are anxious for people to prosper. If union members kept and invested their monthly dues I would imagine that they would be doing better than you might imagine, because, union bosses aside, their members are not stupid.

"I base that on the numerous plans by Republican Governors to increase taxes on the poor and cut taxes on the rich."

Where have you seen one, not to mention numerous, of such plans? Republicans want to lower taxes for everyone, especially the poor.

"Also on the Republican opposition to creating jobs or fighting unemployment."

You are joking, surely. Unless you believe, stupidly, that only the government can "create" jobs.

Revenant said...

That guy with the neck beard is not an attractive man.

shoutingthomas said...

Wages are lower than the private sector for same type work and education level.

No, they're not. You're lying.

It's all part of the same compensation package and they accept lower wages for better retirement.

No, you're lying.

...but we should improve private sector benefits!

Somebody has to pay for things, dumb ass.

That's the problem with your idiot meanderings, Omega. You refuse to admit that somebody has to pay for things... in this case the taxpayer.

You're a very dumb kid who thinks that stuff just falls from the sky.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Comrade X said...

The Dept of Interior is looking to pay someone $115,000 to maintain their Facebook page.

Why should I pay taxes?

JohnJ said...

AlphaLiberal said...

"Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder."

To some extent, of course it is. But that doesn't imply that you and I share no common standards of behavior.

Although I think the sentiment is grossly misplaced, I have no problem with the public display of commitment that you describe in your post. However, I do have a real problem with the almost zany self-regard of many of the protesters who used the cover of that sentiment to justify the co-opting of the state's Capitol. That showed a blatant disregard for the very rights of their fellow citizens that they were trumpeting (drumming, actually) for themselves.

How was that not shameless?

On a much lighter note…

You seem to be somewhat of an insider, if I'm inferring your status correctly. Tell me, what's the deal with Jesse Jackson?

ambisinistral said...

Meade didn't acquit himself very well in his rotunda debate. The bearded fellow had far too expansive notion as to what freedom of assembly means.

Virtually every city in the country have laws that require permits to conduct large demonstrations. In fact, Wisconsin has rules against camping on the Capitol and a requirement that large demonstrations have permits (which were waived for a few days during the protests).

I would say Wisconsin bent over backwards to allow them to assemble.

AlphaLiberal said...

Michael:

1) Right here in Wisconsin, Walker's plan would raise taxes on the poorest by cutting the Earned Income Tax Credit. He also cuts tax credits for seniors. Similar policies in NJ, MI, GA, FL, OH, IA, PA, ME, etc, etc, etc.

2) You are joking, surely. Unless you believe, stupidly, that only the government can "create" jobs.

No, not at all. I am referring to the austerity measures demanded by Rs at the federal level which would reduce economic growth and job growth. This has been widely reported, outside of the Fox News cocoon. Reports to that effect from Goldman Sachs, CBO and others.

Cutting government spending does not create jobs, it loses jobs. I know your ideological dogma says otherwise but that dogma don't hunt and it's failed this country tremendously. We've tried it and tried it and tried it and it's failed and failed and failed.

Trickle down doesn't work.

Goldman Sachs: House Spending Cuts Will Hurt Economic Growth

AlphaLiberal said...

Virtually every city in the country have laws that require permits to conduct large demonstrations.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has ruled already that speech permits are an intrusion on free speech.

People are being threatened with arrest in the Capitol for expressing grievances against government policies. For standing there, holding a sign and speaking.

Not OK.

And, you guys have forfeited the claim to support the Constitution.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

Meade says he's "totally open-minded".

Like, totally.

What bs.

ambisinistral said...

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has ruled already that speech permits are an intrusion on free speech.

AlphaLiberal,

Well, if what you claim is true then you might be kind enough tell this fellow (Madison / Activist sues over protest permits) he's wasting his time filing a lawsuit against the State's permitting requirements. You might also want to tell Wisconsin's State Department of Justice not to bothering fighting the suit because it's been settled already.

And, you guys have forfeited the claim to support the Constitution.

No, I haven't.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

Meade flubs the Supremacy Clause at 2:10.

Meade, since you're so sympathetic to the Tea Partiers, that colorful group that claims to love the Constitution so much, why not try reading up on this part of it:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Your wife didn't remind you of that part? She must have a funny way of showing her love.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

Oh my!! The bellicose, warlike nature of the chanting and, and the drumming! So militant and anti-peaceful!

Meade, get a grip. You're starting to sound like Glenn Beck before Lewis Black got a hold of him.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

Now Meade invents a right "to hear himself think".

Geez Meade, go to a frickin' library. Better yet, read a book or two once you get in there.

Maguro said...

@Chip - Yes and yes.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

I keep hearing Meade use the term "occupation" as if he were a gosh-darned Palestinian nationalist or something.

BJM said...

@AL

The Capitol is open -- except for all the closed doors, the long waits when more than 10 people want to get in, the intrusive searches.

Poppycock.

I visited the CA Sec of State offices in the Capitol complex in Sacramento last month to have a document apostiled and I went through security screening and a pat down after standing on line for over 40 minutes.

I was then issued a visitors pass that only allowed access to a given elevator, floor and office. The days of the public entering and roaming most govt. buildings unfettered is long past.

You also seem to forget that the protesters broke into the capitol building and some of their cohorts made death threats against legislators, including alluding to planting bombs. Their fellow travelers can hardly be surprised when they are treated as suspect.

As with the unbiquitous anti-theft packaging and public surveillance, the behavior of a few means we all lose access and freedom.

AlphaLiberal said...

I hope to hear some loud criticisms of Ronald Reagan from the righties here:

“Where Free Unions and Collective Bargaining are Forbidden, Freedom is Lost”

- Ronald Reagan

So, freedom is only for the Polish people?
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Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

Meade flubs the Supremacy Clause at 2:10.

I think Meade is one of those far-righties who think that state law trumps federal law.

Francisco D said...

Meade,

Your patience with these cretins is amazing. Chinbeard is not only painfully ignorant of the US Constitution, but seems dumber than a box of rocks. The sad part is that he thinks he's pretty bright.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

So good to know that Meade only allows for a right to expression if it's thoughtful.

Can we have the pre-approved list of thoughtful expressions beforehand, kind sir! Wouldn't want to run afoul of the censorship board in your "free" tyranny.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

I think Meade is one of those far-righties who think that state law trumps federal law.

Just like the Southern lawyer in My Cousin Vinnie who referred to the "sovereign" state of Alabama (or whatever).

AlphaLiberal said...

BJM:

The Capitol is open -- except for all the closed doors, the long waits when more than 10 people want to get in, the intrusive searches.

Poppycock.


There are 2 entrances now, open only with state troopers conducting searches and putting people through metal detectors.

All the other doors are locked shut and guarded. We cannot really hold demonstrations inside anymore. Can't get many people in at one time, we're physically limited to one small area and threatened with arrest when we speak above the ground floor.

As far as the reported death threats, we don't suspend the constitution because someone made a death threat. Otherwise, the right wing would have forced a suspension of the constitution a long time ago. (remember all the death threats in the health care debate against Democrats?)

Look, you guys just want to take away our rights of free speech and assembly. Walker tried it and it did not work because the people did not allow it. Granted, he is now getting away with it.

Free speech and assembly is not free if it is only extended to conservatives.

The judge ordered that the Capitol access policies be returned to what they were Jan 28. That's the law. Walker is not following the law.

Makes you wonder why anyone else should!

AlphaLiberal said...

BTW, people, the Wisconsin capitol has been used for demonstrations of all types for decades, including the inside of the Capitol. We've never seen such a severe denial of first amendment rights as we experience today.

Which trampling of the first amendment is defended by the hypocrites of the right wing simply because their side is doing the trampling.

AlphaLiberal said...

Just like the Southern lawyer in My Cousin Vinnie who referred to the "sovereign" state of Alabama (or whatever).

Or any of 1,000s of "tenthers" who say things like Arizona State Senate President Russell Pearce (R):

Do you know, you’re not a citizen of the United States. You’re a citizen of a sovereign state. The fifty sovereign states makes up United States of America, we’re citizens of those sovereign states. It is not a delegated authority. It’s an inherent authority that states have over the federal government. It’s about time somebody gets it right!

The "states' rights" crowd, sans sheets.

Trooper York said...

In any building in NYS including the courts for jury duty you have to go through a metal detector and are subject to a pat down. The number of people allowed in at any one time.

Just like at Yankee staduim. Where you are not allowed to bring signs or musical instruments.

These restrictions seem like the same ones they have at almost every sporting arena or stadium in the United States.

Trooper York said...

Of course you can stand outside and make all the noise you want.

But that would not serve your purpose which is to disrupt the normal activity at the Capitol in order to nullify the last election.

It's like losing in the Super Bowl so the fans run on the field so they can't finish the game.

ambisinistral said...

I would tell AlphaLiberal he would get arrested if he hung around the Oval Office pounding on a drum, but I fear that knowledge would cause him to hyperventilate as he blithered on about the Death of Liberty (dum-de-dum-DUM!).

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@C4BDH

"Just like the Southern lawyer in My Cousin Vinnie who referred to the "sovereign" state of Alabama (or whatever)."

Nothing like using a cheesy movie quote to try and make a case for something stupid someone else said.

Brilliant!

Trooper York said...

Wisconsin has shown itself not worthy of being Super Bowl Champions.

I think they should take the trophy back and name it the "Wellington Mara Championship Trophy."

Trooper York said...

The NFL should do that just to piss off the player's union.

Conservatives 4 Better Dental Hygiene said...

I see... the drumming might have disrupted the incredibly intense national security talks taking place between Scott Walker and David Koch.

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