November 5, 2010

"Obama Recasts Asia Trip as Jobs Mission."

The NYT headlines:
“The primary purpose is to take a bunch of U.S. companies and open up markets so that we can sell in Asia, in some of the fastest-growing markets in the world, and we can create jobs here in the United States of America,” Mr. Obama told his cabinet Thursday, with the cameras rolling.

“My hope is, is that we’ve got some specific announcements that show the connection between what we’re doing overseas and what happens here at home when it comes to job growth and economic growth,” he said....

“On the trip that I’m about to take, I’m going to be talking about opening up additional markets in places like India, so that American businesses can sell more products abroad in order to create more jobs here at home,” Mr. Obama said.
If that's recasting the point of the trip, what was it previously supposed to be about? And whatever the original purpose, why didn't Obama figure out that this would be a good thing to say before the elections?

109 comments:

Scott M said...

I'm still trying to wrap my head around a surface "tunnel" one km in length built just for this visit. Since I've got political fatigue currently, I've not read up on it. Why does one need an above-ground "tunnel"? I'm picturing something like the highway sides from Matrix III.

former law student said...

The earliest article I found about the trip, from October 7, talked about Obama's attending the US-India business summit. I think the NYT is simply clueless here.

former law student said...

Scott: only the tabloids are reporting on a one km tunnel.

MayBee said...

Obama didn't want to say anything about it before the elections, because the left was busy demonizing India.

In order to finally get the Korean Free Trade Agreement ratified, he needs the GOP to have power (and they have some now). Democrats have refused to ratify it for 3 years. So he probably didn't want to advertise that.

His wording about "opening up" markets in India is funny. American business is in India. He wants to widen it, perhaps.

What did he do to listen to the American businesses who will be at the conference before the trip? What does he know about what they need?
Last I heard, he was going to try to tax many of these multinationals for money they make overseas.

AllenS said...

Maybe the Indians would like to buy some Obama Commerative Plate and Coin collections.

So, they're not buying our stuff because Obama hasn't asked them to?

kent said...

If that's recasting the point of the trip, what was it previously supposed to be about? And whatever the original purpose, why didn't Obama figure out that this would be a good thing to say before the elections?

Short answer: He's a liar.

Shorter answer: Obama lies.

traditionalguy said...

Rule #1 about Obama's statements is that they are pure lies. His Marxist soul has been trying to stop capitalism everywhere he can by refusing all beneficial trade deals. Capitalist wealth creation is Obama's enemy that he has fought all of his worthless life.

Scott M said...

Capitalist wealth creation is Obama's enemy that he has fought all of his worthless life.

Speaking of wealth creation, why is it with all the bickering about not keeping the Bush tax rates for incomes over $250k, there is never, ever any mention of COL? $250k does not equal $250k across the length and breadth.

Meade said...

Scott: only the tabloids are reporting on a one km tunnel.

Only the tabloids reported on John Edwards's two-time tunnel.

former law student said...

Maybee -- I remember the "Russia Poland India" commercial now. In the commercial Carly herself says she sent jobs over there, but she didn't say how many. It had the ring of an exaggeration more than a statement of facts, a la "I sent jobs to Timbuctoo."

MayBee said...

fls- I linked the ad last night. It wasn't just her saying it.

Fiorina sent jobs to Bangalore! Bangalore!!

Meade said...

Obama's handlers would've been wiser to recast the trip as a national security mission.

shoutingthomas said...

fls,

You are a kindred spirit to Ritmo.

You don't even believe or care about the shit you write.

You're just a steaming bag of malice.

MayBee said...

When Obama*'s Presidential Campaign snidely referred to Hillary as D-Punjab, you know what her crimes were?

(* keep in mind. Obama was, at the time, on the Senate Foreign Relations committee)

1- Having Indian-American donors!
2- Bill accepted speaking fees from companies who "outsourced" to India.
3- Hillary had invested HER OWN MONEY in an Indian business. In India!

For that, Obama thought the left should punish her.
And now he's taking his ship to mysterious, closed-off India to open up the tea trade to the west. Or something.

Our ally, India.

That's why he kept it quiet.

PETER V. BELLA said...

Most of the products sold by American companies are made abroad. What jobs is he talking about?

The government has made it an almost impossible task to open a manufacturing plant in the U.S.

buster said...

One of the De Medici rulers of Florence built an above-ground tunnel from the Gritti Palace, where he lived, to the Palazzo Vecchio, where he worked, so he could walk to work. Not sure about the exact length, but a kilometer sounds possible.

Obama De Medici. Barack the Magnificent.

wv: subangst

MadisonMan said...

$200,000,000 yesterday, surface tunnel today.

shoutingthomas said...

The government has made it an almost impossible task to open a manufacturing plant in the U.S.

You don't under this process. fls will explain it to you in more detail, but I'll do my best. Here is a summary of fls' wisdom.

Confiscatory taxation and regulation doesn't really "force" businesses to do anything. They just "choose" to offshore their business.

MayBee said...

One more thing:

India and Japan remained strong allies throughout the Bush presidency. Korea was more difficult, but Bush negotiated the Korean FTA and brought it back home.

So note well that Obama, post-midterms, is going back to the places Bush paved the way.
Not "reset" countries to prove his own strength.

shoutingthomas said...

Slight edit:

The government has made it an almost impossible task to open a manufacturing plant in the U.S.

You don't really understand this process. fls will explain it to you in more detail, but I'll do my best. Here is a summary of fls' wisdom.

Confiscatory taxation and regulation doesn't really "force" businesses to do anything. They just "choose" to offshore their business, probably out of sheer cussedness.

Randy said...

Gee, I don't know. Let me think. India couldn't possibly have become a major ally in the past decade or something? FLS is right, though: the NYT is clueless as they almost always are.

But, based on reading some other threads, this story will fit right in with the version of reality that many commenters here have created. Quite a few appear to endorse suspending common sense, rudimentary logic and basic arithmetic to believe the trip costs $200 million per day, is accompanied by a flotilla of 34 warships with nothing better to do than hang around India, and that Obama personally demanded the removal of coconuts from trees.

P.S. The latest "reports" from India say the US military is digging a very long tunnel just so Obama can visit Ghandi's memorial. Make of it what you will. Judging by prior comments, some will make much of it, I'm sure.

AJ Lynch said...

AllenS said:
"Maybe the Indians would like to buy some Obama Commerative Plate and Coin collections."

Great idea- it could bring back the Franklin Mint [remember that company?] and its late night TV commercials.

AJ Lynch said...

I read about the 1 Kilometer surface tunnel yesterday and it sounded like a story from The Onion.

Btw - Obama is sounding like a bigger dope the more he speaks.

David said...

He's trying to rescue a job all right--his own.

Lem said...

why didn't Obama figure out that this would be a good thing to say before the elections?

Obama believes in his liberal dogma so blindly that he was willing to sacrifice Nancy.. or.. he just doesnt know any better?
Is it possible that being the "first black president" Obama didnt have anybody telling him 'there is a naked emperor in the room'?

As someone who has always gotten things for nothing, Obama has never had to cede to anything resembling authority of any kind.

I predict that the voters will (as expressed in this 2010) will be of little to no consequence to the Obama administration.

Triangle Man said...

One of the De Medici rulers of Florence built an above-ground tunnel from the Gritti Palace

I think you mean the Pitti Palace.

Henry said...

buster -- That would be the Pitti Palace. Interesting comment though. According to Google Maps the Vasari Corrider would be around 500m.

Fiftyville said...

Dear President Obama, as long as you're going over to India, would you mind saying hello to my job? I hope things are going well for it, and I miss it very much. Please let it know I'm still single and haven't gotten another one as I miss it very much, and I hope to see it come back one day. Oh, and please mention that I would have written it sooner, but I couldn't afford the stamps.

Henry said...

Darn it Triangle Man, you just beat me.

Here's the map.

MadisonMan said...

why didn't Obama figure out that this would be a good thing to say before the elections?

My guess is that in the past, Obama hasn't had to justify actions prior to being elected -- se just ran for an office, and was elected -- so it just didn't occur to him that something like that would help.

An alternative explanation is that his advisors are hopelessly myopic, probably from having DC air around their eyes too long.

ElcubanitoKC said...

Really? Do they need that many English majors/waiters/waitresses and graphic designers in India and China? ;)

wv: saysmsi

mccullough said...

Are we going to sell the Indians Chevy Volts? We don't make anything here (slight exagerration). People either work in the service economy or for the federal, state, and local government. The only way they could stimulate our economy is to take vacations here buy some fast food, gamble at our casinos, and get a hunting license. Hopefully enough of the Indian tourists will slip and fall at the casinos so we can keep the lawyers and judged employed.

former law student said...

We don't make anything here (slight exagerration).

You forget that Wisconsin's new Senator owns a business, Pacur (graciously named for his brother-in-law, Pat Curler) that makes polypropylene and polyester sheets and rolls.

Henry said...

Does India need more civil servants?

Sixty Grit said...

It's a Pitti Signore De Medici didn't say "Uffizi, don't fail me now!"

Or not...

WV: mylle - metric-speak for mile.

LonewackoDotCom said...

What's funny about this is that those spreading the bogus $200 million figure - the tea party idiots - and complaining about outsourcing and factory-related issues in the U.S. are being useful idiots for the "Profits at Any Price" school: the very folks who support outsourcing. And, they don't even realize it: they think those who support "free trade" are on their side, even as they help send their jobs offshore.


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Unfortunately, I have to add this:

Because teapartiers are vile idiots (see the link) I have to point out that there's a 99% chance that any replies to this comment from 'partiers will be full of lies and smears. That's who they are and what they do. No teapartier has ever been able to present a valid, logical counter-argument to anything I've ever written. Instead, all they can do is lie and smear. That's part of the reason why I encouraged everyone to hold their noses and vote for every one of their opponents. And, I'm basing that on covering politics for over eight years in over 9000 posts. I have never seen a more malignant group than the teapartiers. See my site for all the details.

JorgXMcKie said...

"Quite a few appear to endorse suspending common sense, rudimentary logic and basic arithmetic to believe the trip costs $200 million per day, is accompanied by a flotilla of 34 warships with nothing better to do than hang around India, and that Obama personally demanded the removal of coconuts from trees."

Possibly the actual behaviors of both Obamas and the MSM's unwillingness to cover them the way they would go after, say, a Tea Party candidate, make it easy to believe such things might be true.

If the MSM were to ever get back [if they were ever truly there] to reporting equally on both parties and all ideologies fewer people would be believe the weird stuff.

[I mean, John Edwards couldn't possibly be cheating on his dying wife, could he?]

E Buzz said...

5 days, one billion dollars.

It would take a lot of jobs to make up that amount.

Leave it to a leftist to pull this shit.

AllenS said...

We could sell them rags. We could call the company Headgear

[ducks]

former law student said...

There are National Enquirer tabloids (John Edwards' girlfriend had his baby) and there are (or were) Weekly World News tabloids (John Edwards' girlfriend had a space alien's baby).

But is everything the NE prints true?

Meade said...

You're telling us you believe John Edwards is NOT a space alien?

former law student said...

5 days, one billion dollars.

Don't believe everything you read in the Poona Post.

former law student said...

Meade got me there. I have to sit down and think about that.

garage mahal said...

Scott: only the tabloids are reporting on a one km tunnel.

Since when do we not take tabloids and Indian blogs we've never heard of as the gospel truth? And why couldn't Obama see he would be criticized from the right? Unforced error!

Meade said...

You should. Like President Obama:

“Making an argument that people can understand,” Mr. Obama continued, “I think that we haven’t always been successful at that. And I take personal responsibility for that. And it’s something that I’ve got to examine carefully … as I go forward.”

Scott M said...

Since when do we not take tabloids and Indian blogs we've never heard of as the gospel truth? And why couldn't Obama see he would be criticized from the right? Unforced error!

I'm pretty sure I started out with questioning it. Yeah...fairly sure.

Penny said...

Before the election, the message was all about those nasty big businesses that are outsourcing and taking our jobs and going overseas. That is a powerfully scary message to a good portion of Americans.

Post election, the message is that he heard the voters when they said they were primarily concerned about the economy. Then with a little bit of political magic and help from the NYT's, "economy" is defined down to mean "jobs", and Obama is going to India to get some for us! Dammit, we're going to make our own products and SELL them to emerging markets!

No mention about the Fed's quantitative easing which will lower the value of the dollar, making it easier for us to export. No need to confuse the masses with a lesson in economics.

The India trip will be interesting, but his G20 meeting in Korea will be the one to watch.

Trooper York said...

I think the President is just about the last person I would ever send to drum up business. What is he going to say:
"Hey bring you business to the Good Old USA. I have a whole bunch of new taxes and regulations and stuff for you. It's gonna be awesome."

Revenant said...

Are we going to sell the Indians Chevy Volts? We don't make anything here (slight exagerration).

It isn't a "slight exagerration", it is "totally incorrect". The United States is, depending on how you analyze it, either #1 or #2 in manufacturing output. Let me phrase that another way: out of the 195 countries in the world, at least 193 build less stuff than us.

Trooper York said...

"I mean the carbon taxes and the cap and trade stuff alone will be enough to pay for this trip in one year! So come on down!!!!"

former law student said...

The United States is, depending on how you analyze it, either #1 or #2 in manufacturing output.

I think the cognitive problem comes from seeing that 98% of items for sale in stores are made in China.

garage mahal said...

Meade
My buddy taped that Dylan show in Madison. If you guys want a copy let me know. Sounds great, he must have had great seats.

ricpic said...

Celebrate Diversity Goddammit!

Hot little hindus jumpin' up and down: gonna get those white women!
Hot little hindus jumpin' up and down: oh yea oh yea they's acomin'.

AllenS said...

Maybe we could sell them windmills and solar panels, cause that shit ain't sellin here.

WV: untan

Gabriel Hanna said...

I'm not going to play "gotcha" with Obama. I think free trade is a good thing. If Indians and Chinese can do stuff cheaper, we should buy things from them. Americans can find other jobs. The money that is saved by buying stuff cheaper will provide those other jobs.

If Obama really does put together some kind of trade agreement, good for him.

Gabriel Hanna said...

OT: today is Guy Fawkes Day. John Derbyshire remembers:

..it was very thrilling to watch the Guy go up in flames and to wonder darkly how things would proceed with an actual person there. You had to have a Guy on your bonfire. The only place that didn't was St. Peter's School in York, alma mater of the actual Guido Fawkes, where it was felt that burning an alumnus in effigy showed poor school spirit.

garage mahal said...

Maybe we could sell them windmills and solar panels, cause that shit ain't sellin here.

I drove through southern MN and counted hundreds and hundreds of wind turbines. Presumably, they are making money. None in SD though, which is strange, as it's one giant wind tunnel.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

“The primary purpose is to take a bunch of U.S. companies and open up markets so that we can sell in Asia, in some of the fastest-growing markets in the world, and we can create jobs here in the United States of America,”

So, Obama's goal is to convert the United States into a third world export nation selling goods to economically expanding parts of the world like China and India.

Good luck with that. With Union Wages and Pensions hanging like an anchor around the necks of businesses, expensive job killing health insurance mandates, highest corporate taxes, purposely deflating our dollar and the determination to pass rerictive energy policy, there is no way that we can be competetive in the world markets.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@garage mahal:

Presumably, they are making money.

Yes, government money. Also known as corporate welfare. They get money in subsidies and more money from selling expensive electricity to utilities with legal mandates to buy it.

And windmills displace hydroelectric power, did you know that? Net reduction in carbon emissions: zero.

prairie wind said...

..it was very thrilling to watch the Guy go up in flames and to wonder darkly how things would proceed with an actual person there. You had to have a Guy on your bonfire. The only place that didn't was St. Peter's School in York, alma mater of the actual Guido Fawkes, where it was felt that burning an alumnus in effigy showed poor school spirit.

So...that's why JK Rowling named the phoenix Fawkes? Is that something everyone else already knew?

As for the $200 million/day rumor...Obama started it himself so that the actual number, no matter how large, would be smaller than that and we would congratulate him on his good sense.

Of course, that plan depends on someone believing that good sense was even possible with this president.

buster said...

Henry: "buster -- That would be the Pitti Palace."

Triangle Man: "I think you mean the Pitti Palace."

Ouch!!

Gabriel Hanna said...

@garage mahal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies

electricity from coal (the fuel that produced the most electricity, 1,946 billion kilowatt hours, kWh, in FY 2007) got 0.44 dollars/MWh, while refined coal (72 billion kWh) got 29.81 dollars/MWh, solar (1 billion kWh) got 24.34 dollars/MWh, and wind (31 billion kWh) got 23.37 dollars/MWh

That's how one way a wind farm makes money.

This is the other way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Initiative_937_(2006)

Make laws that force people to buy the electricity; hydro and nuclear of course do not count as "green", or else the law would have been unnecessary as Washington pretty much ONLY has hydro and nuclear.

garage mahal said...

@Gabriel
According to the wind farm owner in MN:

Q: Is wind power subsidized?
A: The Steel Winds plant sells its power to energy buyers at market prices just like any other power plant.

The Steel Winds project does not benefit from any project specific subsidy or legislation. Like all other energy projects (including coal, nuclear, oil and gas) wind energy does qualify for accelerated depreciation of the investment dollars used to build the plant. In addition, wind energy plants in the US also qualify for a federal tax credit based on the actual production of pollution free energy after startup.

The wind industry is subsidized, but not nearly as much as the coal, oil, nuclear, and natural gas industries. Historically, the energy industry has been subsidized as a means of ensuring that the country has adequate and reliable supplies of energy. The largest subsidies, however, go to coal, oil, nuclear and natural gas fuels and generation.

The National Commission on Energy Policy found a low-end estimate for federal energy subsidies in 2003 to be $37 billion to $64 billion. Total wind energy subsidy payments in that same year are estimated at $155 million - well under one percent of the federal energy subsidy total.

Furthermore, fossil fuel energy generation has external costs that all Americans pay such as:

* Health care costs
* Pollution costs
* Securing petroleum in unstable areas of the world
* Disposal costs (nuclear)

Source: National Commission on Energy Policy, P. 204-217 / Union of Concerned Scientists

LarsPorsena said...

"....The wind industry is subsidized, but not nearly as much as the coal, oil, nuclear, and natural gas industries. ..."

(HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER)

Scott M said...

@Garage

I drove through southern MN and counted hundreds and hundreds of wind turbines. Presumably, they are making money.

I see Amtrak trains quite a bit between STL and KC. Presumably they are making money...oh, wait...

AlphaLiberal said...

The Pentagon has shot down the right wing lie that the Obama trip involves 34 vessels and the other hysteria.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/11/pentagon-dismisses-reports-of-34-warships-for-obama-trip-security.html

What lies will you propagate today?

Gabriel Hanna said...

@garage mahal:

You would never take an oil company's statement as face value, but you're very uncritical of wind.

Wind power receives a fraction of subsidies that is small ONLY BECAUSE WIND IS A TINY FRACTION OF GENERATED POWER. Coal is 50%!

What you are saying is like saying that gas at 10$ a gallon is the same price as gad at $5, if your gas tank is half as big!

Coal: $0.44 / MWh
Wind: $23.37 / MWh

From Wikipedia.

So, your statement from the wind farmer is intended to deceive people. And you are happy to be a tool.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@Alpha Liberal:

What lies will you propagate today?

Quote someone here who said that Obama spent $200 million or took 34 warships.

Oh, you can't? STFU and die in a fire.

Penny said...

"Maybe we could sell them windmills and solar panels, cause that shit ain't sellin here."

The government has another answer for that, AllenS. I read the most incredible article today about a refinery that was fined by the DEP for air pollution violations.

Their penalty was $100,000 plus the purchase, installation and operation of solar panels for a neighboring elementary school. That cost has been valued at nearly $300,000.

garage mahal said...

So, your statement from the wind farmer is intended to deceive people. And you are happy to be a tool.

No, it wasn't. I said "according to".

What you are saying is like saying

I'm not saying anything!

But now I am curious, and through the power of google, I will shall find out. Pawlenty for sure is an advocate for wind.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@Penny:

Their penalty was $100,000 plus the purchase, installation and operation of solar panels for a neighboring elementary school. That cost has been valued at nearly $300,000.

Step 1: Get the government to pay you to steal underwear

Step 2: Get the government to force people to buy the stolen underwear

Step 3: PROFIT!

Gabriel Hanna said...

@garage mahal:

Pawlenty for sure is an advocate for wind.

Are you surprised that a Republican favors pork and corporate welfare?

I'm not. Look at the ethanol subsidies.

Did you miss the part about wind replacing only hydroelectric power? You'll need to put "load balancing" into google.

AlphaLiberal said...

Actually, Lars, conventional energy subsidies massively overwhelm renewables subsidies.

Pollution from fossil fuels, alone is one type of subsidy, an external cost imposed on people not part of the transaction.

The costs to keep oil flowing from the Middle East? A massive subsidy.

Nuclear power is subsidized with loan guarantees, liability limits through Price Anderson Act and more.

My favorite BS subsidy is the oil depletion allowance. We pay them for every barrel they pump out, on top of depreciation for equipment, etc. Absurd.

But there have been endless studies on how various energy types are subsidized. National Research Council did a study on this, I believe.

edutcher said...

This trip is about jobs like the last two years have been about jobs. Apparently, they missed one of the coconuts if he thinks that will sell to anyone but Alpha and HD.

former law student said...

There are National Enquirer tabloids (John Edwards' girlfriend had his baby) and there are (or were) Weekly World News tabloids (John Edwards' girlfriend had a space alien's baby).

But is everything the NE prints true?


It has, after all, surpassed the Gray Lady as the newspaper of record.

Granny Jan said...

The real purpose of the trip was the Obama's new book 'India on 200 million a Day'. They even made this video ( I helped) to promote their new book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCxRarFgzro

The real purpose of this post is to promote my video which doesn't really need promoting but I can't help myself because I'm so generous I just want to share it.

AlphaLiberal said...

If people think we can keep consuming increasing amounts of fossil fuels without consequence, you're in for a rude shock.

The long term direct cost of fossil fuels will go up as resources become more scarce, more in demand and from increasingly expensive places.

The cost of all these wars to keep oil flowing is already too high for my tastes. We are already too reliant on despots and terror funders. "We are funding both sides of the war on terror."

It used to be that renewable energy was supported by people of all political stripes, as a way to get energy independent. It is truly sad that conservatives demand we maintain our addiction to fossil fuels.

AlphaLiberal said...

Granny Jan:

The Pentagon has come out and said reports of the costs of the trip are false.

We spend less than that daily for the Afghanistan War.

Conservatives sure are dishonest these days.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@Alpha Liberal:

But there have been endless studies on how various energy types are subsidized. National Research Council did a study on this, I believe.

Yes, all are subsidized. But the whole point is that some kinds of power are subsidized hundreds of times more than others, on a per-watt basis.

Again, like garage, your fallacy is the same as saying that the price of gas is the same if you buy 10 gallons at $5 per gallon and if you buy 5 at $10 per gallon. You paid the same MONEY, but you didn't pay the same PRICE.

Of course people who rely on corporate welfare will do their best to blur the distinction.


The government only paid me $10,000 for the gallon of polymer nitrogen fuel I made. I'm getting fewer subsidies than anyone! We should convert to polymer nitrogen right away and save money.

(That didn't happen, btw).

AlphaLiberal said...

Gabriel Hanna:

Quote someone here who said that Obama spent $200 million or took 34 warships.

Michelle Bachmann.

Granny Jan at 2:00

Gabriel Hanna to me:
Oh, you can't? STFU and die in a fire.

Fuck you, too, pal. You lying sack of shit.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@Alpha:

What's wrong with nuclear and hydro? Republicans like myself who take climate change seriously are demanding more of that, as opposed to wind farms, which only displace hydro and don't provide any net green power.

You on board with that?

Gabriel Hanna said...

@Alpha Liberal:

Learn to read, you lying sack of shit. Micehele Bachmann didn't post HERE.

You called US liars peddling lies. Name one person HERE who repeated the lie.

FOAD, after that.

garage mahal said...

Again, like garage, your fallacy is

Dude, I have not made a definitive comment either way about this. Stop.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@garage mahal:

Okay, you've cleared up that you quoted without endorsing. I cheerfully withdraw my comment about "your" fallacy, consider it suitably redirected to the wind farmer and AL.

AlphaLiberal said...

Gabriel Hanna:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/11/with-president-obama-going-to-mumbai.html

Trooper York:
Why can't the Preident look into that for the 200 million a day he is blowing over there!

blake said...

$200 million here.

$200 million there.

Pretty soon you're talking some real money.


Moneyrunner said...

Is this a visit or an invasion? "34 warships sent from US for Obama visit"
As President Obama begins his 10 day - $200 million a day taxpayer funded - tour:
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It was elsewhere.

Q: how do you know when a conservative is lying?

A: Their fingers move across the keyboard.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@AL:

You called US liars before Granny Jan's post, which is obvious satire. (Unless you think GJ seriously intends us to believe that Obama is writing a book and dressing like Louis XIV.)

You just waded in, called everyone HERE a liar for something that no one HERE was saying.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@AL:

Okay, there were people saying it YESTERDAY. A FEW MINUTES AGO, when you told us all we were LIARS SPREADING LIES, the story had already been widely debunked and no one HERE is sticking to it, SPREADING THEIR LYING LIES.

In fact, I never even HEARD the story until AFTER it had been debunked.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@AL:

I will, however, grant that your post might have been appropriate YESTERDAY, in the ACTUAL THREAD where people said it.

Granny Jan said...

AlphaLiberal, the video is a parody for pete's sake. And why would I believe anything the WH said? Maybe it's even more; maybe it's 199 million. No one is ever going to know, but there's one thing for sure: it's TOO DAMN MUCH.

Other than that, did you like it?

BJM said...

@Buster

Don't forget the elevated walkway from the Ducal apartmenti to Castel Sant'Angelo.

Obama's most cyncial backpedal to date is his speech to a foreign affiliate of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; the US-India Business Council

They really do think we're stupid.

former law student said...

a foreign affiliate of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; the US-India Business Council

The US-India Business Council is a second-order affiliate of the US Chamber of Commerce -- the AmCham of India is one of the USIBC's many partners. I posted a list here the other day. My favorite USIBC partner is The Indus Entrepreneurs.

Almost Ali said...

Given Barack's taste in wives, $200,000,000 per day sounds downright reasonable. Because Michelle wants reparations and she's goin' ta get'em one way or t'other.

Meanwhile, I wish I was in Mumbai to witness their grandiose entrance. I want to be there with the urchins to behold the majesty of the living god. Alighting from clouds of silver wings higher than Mahatma Gandhi. And like the parable of the loaves, on the full faith and credit of Visa and American Express. Processed and authorized by slumdog millionaires.

Trooper York said...

I appoligize that I got the number wrong and AlphaLiberal was right to call me on it.

What I meant to say that this President shouldn't be spending two hundred dollars a day on a useless trip to India. Fixed.

BJM said...

@AL

What lies will you propagate today?

Oh I dunno...the left is still trying to pedal the story that Trig is Bristol's son...so pretty much anything goes by your rules.

BTW- try reading a Milblog or two and you'll find out that the 7th Fleet is anchored in Yokosuka and is tasked to the junket. That means the ops are already on budget and a given number of ships are on station protecting the Indian Ocean shipping lanes and the Korean Peninsula.

It's laughable that you suddenly consider the Pentagon a reliable source of information and this is not a definitive statement by any means:

“I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president’s trip to Asia,” said Morrell at today’s Pentagon briefing. “That’s just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.”…

I'd take that statement with a grain of salt given that the 7th has 50–60 ships, 350 aircraft and 60,000 Navy and Marine Corps personnel.

You might also be interested to learn about about Task Force 70.

TF 70 is the Battle Force of 7th Fleet and is actually made up of two distinct components: Surface Combatant Force 7th Fleet, composed of cruisers and destroyers, and Carrier Strike Force 7th Fleet, made up of at least one aircraft carrier and its embarked air wing. The Battle Force is currently centered around the carrier USS George Washington and Carrier Air Wing 5 (CVW-5).

So while Indian tabs may or may not be making shit up...we have a substantial forward force in place.

Plus media speculation about military deployments isn't exactly news either..or have you forgotten the "when will the ground war begin" hysteria and the speculation about MOABs being deployed in Afghanistan.

Actually, thanks to the voters, we will know the cost of Obama's trip next year.

AllenS said...

garage,

The windmill factory in Pipestone, MN, is closing down. they have windmills already built, but nobody is buying. If the government doesn't buy this fucking bullshit stuff, nobody does. Wanna talk about Agricultural Subsidies? Go here:

http://farm.ewg.org/index.php?key=nosign

Bruce Hayden said...

Actually, Lars, conventional energy subsidies massively overwhelm renewables subsidies.

Pollution from fossil fuels, alone is one type of subsidy, an external cost imposed on people not part of the transaction.

The costs to keep oil flowing from the Middle East? A massive subsidy.

Nuclear power is subsidized with loan guarantees, liability limits through Price Anderson Act and more.

My favorite BS subsidy is the oil depletion allowance. We pay them for every barrel they pump out, on top of depreciation for equipment, etc. Absurd
.

As for the cost of fossil fuels, how much do those concerned scientists include for AGW?

As for the cost of the "pollution", could you please itemize so that we can have an idea of whether or not these externalities have already been covered, and, indeed, how plausible they are as unreimbursed externalities.

As for the depletion allowance, how does that differ from depreciation, and can you explain to us why you might think that depreciation (or even depletion) might be a subsidy? (hint - depreciation is the cost of buying plant or equipment spread over multiple years, and depletion is the cost of drilling, less the cost of the equipment (which is depreciated) spread over the cost of the well).

As for the liability cap for nuclear - is it your assertion that claims have not been paid as a result of this cap? Or that the subsidy is not having to have as much insurance because of the cap?

If I sound cynical, I would think that it might be because of the apparent source for the figures.

Synova said...

I read the subject line and before I scrolled to the bottom you read my mind.

Insidious!


"If that's recasting the point of the trip, what was it previously supposed to be about? And whatever the original purpose, why didn't Obama figure out that this would be a good thing to say before the elections?"

Almost Ali said...

The White House refuses to disclose the "real" cost of Obama's Mumbai junket - Robert Gibb's even implying they don't even know, except that the final number won't break down to [exactly] $200,000,000 per day.

And nay does it matter what the real number is to a towering, heavenly figure like Barack! Because to the gods it's mere money.

former law student said...

The White House refuses to disclose the "real" cost of Obama's Mumbai junket

Why is "almost ali" so interested in the details of Obama's security? Is he a jihadi?

Michael said...

Who cares how much his trip costs? He is out of the country and I would gladly pay him a million dollars a day (after tax so it would be meaningful) to stay there going hither and thither for the duration.

Tallying up the cost of presidential trips is a game for the bored or stupid amongst us. It is both irrelevant financially and immaterial as an "example" to the American people who have always wanted their president's to impress abroad.

AST said...

Apparently most of what we've heard about this trip came from the Indian media and is about as reliable as most supermarket tabloids.

kentuckyliz said...

It didn't matter what Obama said about that trip.

Open enrollment ended Oct. 29 and people turned in their health care enrollment forms fully aware of the new higher costs, and they're pissed off.

kentuckyliz said...

Stupid bastard thought no one will know until 2011 after the election...not realizing open enrollment is before the election. What a tard.

BJM said...

@Garage

Seen this story?

Solyndra also canceled its IPO in June, and the following month chief executive officer, Chris Gronet, quit.

In the future perhaps Obama, Arnold and Boxer could invest/risk their own money.

Almost Ali said...

Mumbai Update:

"Probably not since the days of the Pharaohs or the more ludicrous Roman Emperors has a head of state travelled in such pomp and expensive grandeur as the President of the United States of America." - Link

former law student said...

Mumbai Update:

What a load of bullshit. Even the Daily Mail's source, the Daily News and Analysis website, quit writing about imaginary magic tunnels to the Gandhi Museum.

But they did put up a tent ("shamiana") for the Obamas' visit. And they had picked the coconuts ahead of time.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_obama-lands-in-mumbai-heads-to-colaba-in-a-chopper_1462941

Almost Ali said...
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Almost Ali said...

Let's call this one; Arming Pakistan:

India - "A Diwali weekend should be a perfect, if a bit noisy, break for a president in distress. President Barack Obama, battered at home, badly needs a break. The festive lights, however, might only expose a dubious policy as he winks at his wartime ally, Pakistan, with one face and smiles at his peacetime friend, India, with another. The text of his Delhi visit can be read only in the context of the Obama presidency's biggest foreign policy challenge: Pakistan and Afghanistan. Obama prepared for Delhi by giving Pakistan $2 billion, which means a fresh warehouse of arms." More...

Almost Ali said...

Any way you cut it, FLS, Obama is having the time of his - and Julius Caesar's - life.

Kirk Parker said...

"die in a fire"

Oh, please, this is so offensive! Have you any idea how much CO2 that would release?