November 23, 2010

"Fox News Commentators Caught On Camera Mocking Sarah Palin's Show."

Interesting clip, but I note that there are 5 commentators, and 3 sit silently while 2 do all the talking. The 3 are all men. The 2 are women. I'm picking up a real female-against-female vibe in this clip. It's not just what the women say and how they say it, it's the way the men sit back and maintain steely silence.

123 comments:

tooclass said...
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Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)


A lot of womyn seem to have issues with Palin, Kathleen Parker, Mona Charen, Meghan McCain, Peggy Noonan, Davids Brooks and Frum…

tooclass said...

What's there to mock?

Comrade X said...

more evidence that all women hate each other.

g2loq said...

She'd stalk a moose, kill it, dress it and serve it to you ladies as a delicious stew ....

ricpic said...

Urban strivers of the female persuasion hate Sarah with a purple passion. They're going to wake up on November 3rd or 4th 2012 wondering what happened because like Pauline Kael, "Nobody I know voted for him." The him was Nixon, this time it will be her.

pm317 said...

The woman in blue is Judy Miller who got fired from NYTimes.. Of course she would mock Palin. I don't recognize the woman in green with the back towards the camera.

Pogo said...

Good pick-up, Althouse.

The men were all uncomfortably silent.

Now if the two of them offered to mud-wrestle Palin, why, then the men would perk right up.

So to speak.

AJ Lynch said...

A couple years ago, no one seemed to be so interested in the shows on the Discovery Channel. Palin has gotten it a ton of buzz. Not as much, of course, as Al Gore generated for that channel he started! What was that called? Douchenozzle TV?

Bob said...

Vulgar sexism by men is no longer considered acceptable in polite company. That's a good and important cultural shift that's happened over the last 40 years.

Vulgar sexism by women, however, is still socially acceptable in many circles; the equivalent cultural shift has not occurred.

LordSomber said...

more evidence that all women hate each other.

Chris Rock had it right.

Paul said...

Those two are Cinderella's wicked stepsisters.

And entirely unaware of that fact.

The vagina men at the table sit meekly through it but know that the contrast between Sarah's beauty and charisma (and obvious happiness) and these two harridan's lack thereof is the real issue.

YoungHegelian said...

If 30 years ago you had been asked "Will the US first have a black president or female president?" what would you have said?

I would have said "Female".

And now, I know I was wrong, and the reason why is because black people really, really, wanted to vote for a black guy for president.

roesch-voltaire said...

Perhaps the men read the Fox memo that it is not PC to knock Palin and the women didn't? Or perhaps they knew they could be honest off air, but not on? At any rate the public has already left Palin's Alaska in droves--%40 loss of audience.

Anne said...

Well. Interesting. As noted above, Judith Miller is a former NY Times columnist--she dished the most. Liz Trotta was pretty restrained--as I recall she wrote a book on catty women and media bias--maybe she decided she ought to shut up.

I remember that Sound of Music quote from the NY Times reporter--I blogged about it. How can romance be missing, Climbing every mountain with Todd:)

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I usually watch Fox News in the evening and have never seen either of these women. Perhaps this is part of their venom. No one knows who THEY are, nor do we care.

Must say that I did watch some of Palin's Alaska and about half way through I just wished the Hell that she would shut up for a few moments.

Cripes. She talks ALL the time.

Original Mike said...

"So it was more than a bit surprising when off-air video leaked on Thursday of a Fox panel mocking Palin's new reality television show."

The Huff Po author is setting up the equivalence of "Fox panel" and "conservative" in the readers mind. But it seems to be Judith Miller, hardly a conservative, who's doing all the talking.

Marshal said...

Jduith Miller, Sally Quinn.

The theme is: journalists who sleep with their bosses!

Comrade X said...

I have some respect for Judith Miller. She'll protect a source. Most of of the big time media will only protect a democrat source.

Original Mike said...

DBQ: This is a taping of Fox News Watch, which is a panel discussion of the media. In Madison, it airs at 10:30 pm an Saturday night.

Youngblood said...

The thing that's funny to me is the way that Judith Miller is just laughing and laughing and nobody else is really joining in (not even Trotta).

There's that point around... um... 1:05, I think, where she looks around and realizes that she's not as funny as she thinks she is, coughs, and then tries to regain her composure.

AJ Lynch said...

"She talks all the time".

Yeah and the nuns used to say "empty cans make the most noise". We need a candidate who can answer every type of question briefly and succinctly. I like Palin a lot but when she speaks she is always circling back to that real American bit. She needs to focus more on the relatively impersonal Beltway vs. outside the beltway disconnect.

And she should keep quiet once in a while. Don't become a Santorum and butt into every stinking issue under the sun. Afterall, the nuns also said "don't speak unless you are spoken to".

Salamandyr said...

You know, the more Sarah Palin becomes a lightning rod for the Left, the more I like her. I really dig her essays promoting low taxes and limited government, her running around the country supporting Tea Party candidates and so forth.

But you know, though I like her, and love the effect she has on the self absorbed Left, I really, really don't want her to be President. The things she's doing, they're great, but they aren't the groundwork for leader of the Free World, at least in my estimation.

Of course, nobody else really grabs me right now either, except maybe Governor Daniels of Indiana.

garage mahal said...

So even Fox is left wing now. Holy Palin Worshipping.

Larry J said...

We need a candidate who can answer every type of question briefly and succinctly.

Actually, we don't need a candidate or president who thinks he/she knows the answer to every question or even needs to. Obama thinks he's the smartest person in any room and look at the job he's doing on the country.

Remember the "gotcha" questions that the Press loves to ask of Republicans such as who is the Deputy Asssistant Undersecretary of Somesuch in the Republic of Carjackistan? First, they never ask such questions of Democrats, and second, that's the kind of question that any reasonable executive should answer with "If the need arises, my staff will look it up."

As for those women tearing into Palin, some people never matured pass the "Middle School Bitch" phase.

HDHouse said...

One news bunny can spot a publicity hound a mile away I suppose.

Marshal said...

"So even Fox is left wing now. Holy Palin Worshipping."

It would be interesting to understand the thought process that led to this conclusion.

Original Mike said...

"So even Fox is left wing now."

They do put lefties on their panels. For example, the guy to Miller's left (her left) is Ellis Henican.

DaveW said...

"I'm picking up a real female-against-female vibe in this clip."

OK. Assuming that's true, what's it about?

I don't get it but I admit I'm not of the proper persuasion - I'm a kind of conservative guy. What is the reason these women are hating on Palin? Are they jealous (of her beauty or family or fame)? Do they think she's stupid? Is it about abortion?

What?

AJ Lynch said...

Larry J:

I should have said "pertinent" question. I think it would be refreshing if a pol ever said "i don't know the answer" to a question. Or I'd love to see a pol tell a reporter to screw off when they ask a dumb question.

Paul said...

garage if you actually watched Fox you would see plenty of lefties. Of course that would require to actually objectively investigate that which you reflexively spout off about.

Fat chance.

Cedarford said...

Look, even at Fox, other than her slavish worshipper Hannity, eyes roll on occasion on Palins constant folksy "real American" jabber on each and every current topic under the sun.
Most restrain it..the two ladies did not.

Quite similar to how Democrats used to roll their eyes at Jesse Jacksons inability to refrain from wading in on each and every "matter" that came to his attention...and his constant Preacher-speak, alliterative jabber.

It got old with Jesse, it will get old with Palin.
Jesse had about a 8 year run before even the Democrats said "enough with you and your endless attention craving and buttinsky self-promotion"! But the news cycle is far shorter now, attention spans reduced.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Trapp is a good boy-Palin name that they came pretty close to actually using.

edutcher said...

Frankly, Henican (of Newsday) seems more into it than Liz Trotta.

Ms Trotta (in green), who did yeoman work as a field (and I do mean field, as in getting shot at) correspondent in 'Nam for Black Rock, is seen mostly on the weekends as a media critic on Fox's Sunday show; during the week, she has a real job. She got in trouble during the '08 campaign for a statement that the Obama people wanted to construe as her hoping he got shot.

Or something.

Ann Althouse said...

I'm picking up a real female-against-female vibe in this clip.

I'm sure Mr Henican wouldn't appreciate that.

Cedarford said...

Salamandyr said...
You know, the more Sarah Palin becomes a lightning rod for the Left, the more I like her
=============
It's the same phenomenon Garage astutely(!!!) observed happened with Noble Algore. Credit Garage for being right rarely, but when he is right, he is pretty good.

The more people said Gore was an idiot - the more Greens, liberals, and progressive Jews flocked to Noble Algore. Their worship of him intensified in face of "persecution" of the Oracle of Planet-Saving. The more the non-believers in Algore said he was wrong, the more convinced his followers became that in itself made Algore even more correct and worthy of further worshipping.

Paul said...

"I'm sure Mr Henican wouldn't appreciate that."

I'm not. He's the poster child for the earnest feminized metrosexual liberal vagina man. Bill Maher is manly by comparison.

rhhardin said...

It seems unexceptionable to me.

I don't like Palin but have nothing to mock her for. Maybe the guys are the same way.

The big on-air consideration is not alienating your audience, I suppose.

garage mahal said...

garage if you actually watched Fox you would see plenty of lefties.

I don't watch any cable news, outside election night returns. I used to watch some Fox years and years ago. My wife broke water on the couch watching Bill O'Reilly. Swear to God.

Fox is very careful what liberals they do let appear on their network though. The regulars are all good Fox Democrats like Pat Caddell, who aren't even really Democrats. Last time I watched Fox was on vacation out West a month ago or so, where every TV in the hotels were tuned to Fox. It's 100% pure propaganda - like Gateway Pundit in video form.

Original Mike said...

"It's the same phenomenon Garage astutely(!!!) observed happened with Noble Algore. Credit Garage for being right rarely, but when he is right, he is pretty good.

The more people said Gore was an idiot - the more Greens, liberals, and progressive Jews flocked to Noble Algore."


And here I thought it was his ecofriendly house on the windswept Southwestern plains.

WV: badas

Original Mike said...

"Fox is very careful what liberals they do let appear on their network though. The regulars are all good Fox Democrats like Pat Caddell"

You're right. You don't watch very much.

garage mahal said...

It's unwatchable. Even Fox chyrons will rob you of brain cells.

MadisonMan said...

Insulting upwards?

veni vidi vici said...

Fox used to regularly have as a guest some black dude named "Niger Innes". His opinionating was resoundingly unremarkable and as blandly conventional as unseasoned cream of wheat, which made it all the more obvious that he was only there so they could print "Niger" across the bottom of the screen when he was speaking. It spoke to a lack of seriousness and pandering to a stereotyped base that I thought was pretty lame.

Note that this was on the H&C and OReilly shows, which were (and probably still are) markedly different than the Brit Hume newshour, which was the best and least-biased hard news show on television.

Those opinion shows, be they on Fox or anywhere else, are frustratingly banal, dumb as doornails, and astoundingly formulaic (OReilly's is the worst for formula sequencing); I don't know how anyone can watch them more than a week or two before figuring them out and recoiling with ennui if not disgust.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I'm picking up a real female-against-female vibe in this clip.

Saucer of milk table two.

Gee women being catty about one of thier own. Color me shocked and awed.

Trooper York said...

You don't know who Niger Innes is do you?

He is the president of the Congress of Racial Equality and has been a figure in New York City politics for the past twenty years. He is a fairly conservative african american and a reliable talking head in the vein of Bill Donahue of the Catholic League who he is very analgous to in his act.

I don't think his name has anything to do with it. But hey knock yourself out if it makes you feel better.

Hoosier Daddy said...

My wife broke water on the couch watching Bill O'Reilly.

Not sure what that says about you chief.

The regulars are all good Fox Democrats like Pat Caddell, who aren't even really Democrats.

That really doesn't mean much considering those stalwart Democrats like Truman or JFK would be too uber recht and not Democrats for your tastes today.

garage mahal said...

Fox used to regularly have as a guest some black dude named "Niger Innes".

Fox used to regularly have the New Black Panthers on (I just googled, it was 50 times) when they wanted the perspective of a black person. Complete with the bodyguard wearing a beret standing behind Malik Shabazz or Quanell X.

As if the NBP represents the black perspective on things....

Trooper York said...

Well I will admit that it was a little strange having Bill O'Reilly calling Innes "My Niger" but hey Bill is a very awkward socially you know.

He once flirted with a woman by saying he wanted to be her falafel.

Hoosier Daddy said...

(I just googled, it was 50 times)

After your fuckup describing Gore's house when it was actually Bushiter's your googling skills leave much to be desired.

veni vidi vici said...

Trooper, best line of the night with the "My Niger" thing.

But hey man, Bill Donahue, Phil Donahue: what's in a name, anyway?

Trooper York said...

Thank you very much, but I like the falafel thing myself.

I mean the girl was Irish for crying out loud.

Lem said...

The laughter, from the woman saying that the reviews of the Palin show were "funny", was so forced.. to the point of sounding more about seeking the approval of her colleges.. than the Palin tidbit.

Salamandyr said...

So is Alan Colmes still on Fox or did Hannity eat him?

James said...
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James said...

His name is Niger Innis....he's Roy Innis' son and succeeded him as the head of the Congress on Racial Equality.

Shanna said...

I watched the clip, and it was mostly that one lady. I thought her saying that Palin hated the outdoors and probably just wanted to get back to her cell phone was major projection. She was just gleeful at getting to rant about Palin. And she did eventually realize she was laughing alone and sounding like a crazy person. Sad, really.

I really, really don't want her to be President

I definitely don’t think she’s ready. Her resume is too thin and she needs polish. (from a pure strategy point, her negatives are rather high). Could she come back one day after holding another type of elected office and really boning up on policy? Maybe. I’ll be happy to re-evaluate in 8 years or so. It just doesn’t seem right, right now though.

Chris Rock had it right.

Heh. She thinks she cute.

c3 said...

DBQ;
Cripes. She talks ALL the time.

ahh, you're finallhy seeing the light.

(Was that a mixed metaphor?)

Chef Mojo said...

@Garage:

As if the NBP represents the black perspective on things....

Well, it does at the DOJ Civil Rights Division.

Chase said...

Who can ever figure out what the left finds funny?

Here's an email making the rounds that liberal think is hysterical:


From one of my morally and intellectually superior friends…. :-)

Did you know that :

** the words “race car” spelled backwards still spell “race car”?

** “eat” is the only word that, if you take the first letter and move it to the last, spells its own past tense, “ate”?

** if you rearrange the letters in “Tea Party Republicans,” and add just a few more letters, it spells: “F**k you, you free-loading, mean-spirited, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, global warming-denying, tax-evading, Wall Street suck-ups, phony religious hypocrites, lying cheaters and cheating liars, and deal with the fact that you nearly wrecked the country under Bush and that our new president is intelligent, thoughtful, and a well educated leader and is trying to clean up the mess you created, so go f**k yourselves.”

Isn’t that interesting?

Liberal Humor. They can't help it, what with knowing everyone else's motivations and all.

garage mahal said...

Well, it does at the DOJ Civil Rights Division.

The same reason Fox constantly brought out the scary militant black NBP as guests is the same reason they endlessly hyped the NBP DOJ case. Be afraid. Veeeery afraid.

Chef Mojo said...

And what's up with people getting all bugly eyed about the word, "Niger." The word has no etymological relationship to the "N-word" (Oh, how I hate having to use that! But Althouse makes the rules, and I'm not gonna push it...). Niger's etymological roots are completely African, and refer both to a river and a country (Nigeria.).

That an African-American child would be named "Niger" is, to me, quite sensible and honorable of one with West African heritage.

Maguro said...

It's not just women - I was at a fondue party with Norman Lear the other day and he mentioned that he felt the same way.

AJ Lynch said...

Palin's main problem is inexperience and the voters will definitely not want to experiment with that again after giving the inexperienced Obama a chance.

Paul said...

"The regulars are all good Fox Democrats like Pat Caddell, who aren't even really Democrats."

Nonsense. Caddell is an outlier. There are plenty of moonbats on Fox. Too many. Folks that would have you nodding in approval like a bobblehead. I have to change the channel when they come on.

What I want is a real right wing news channel...no lefties need apply. I don't need to hear their arguments. I've heard them ad nauseum my entire life. More importantly I've seen the wreckage in their wake on both a societal and personal level.

I want to watch people like Tom Sowell and Richard Epstein, not Bill O'Reilly or Mike Huckabee.

garage mahal said...

More importantly I've seen the wreckage in their wake on both a societal and personal level.

And yet you (and Althouse) still choose to live in liberal enclaves. And complain about it of course.

Why not.....just move? Christ I live 2 miles outside Madison and I don't interact with one single liberal. My friends always rag about "liberals in Madison", and I ask them "why not move?", and they say "No, I love it here". So it goes.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Christ I live 2 miles outside Madison and I don't interact with one single liberal. My friends always rag about "liberals in Madison", and I ask them "why not move?", and they say "No, I love it here". So it goes.

When you make this stuff up does it come naturally or do you have to work at it? I mean the whole 'I don't interact with a single liberal' is really funny. I mean almost laugh out loud.

Morgan said...

I do think they don't go after Hillary as hungrily. And no offense intended, and I am very broadly generalizing, but I think it's because Hillary is sexually non-threatening and unattractive. I think that's the same reason women claim Michelle Obama is so beautiful. Heads up-- she's just not. And I cast a very wide net on women, I like every kind out there, as long as they periodically smile.

Correspondence said...

"The regulars are all good Fox Democrats like Pat Caddell, who aren't even really Democrats."

Oh they're Democrats. They're like Democrats used to be...before the termi..I mean progressives took the party over.

garage mahal said...

When you make this stuff up does it come naturally or do you have to work at it?

Not making anything up. I hang out exclusively with conservatives, friends I've known for years. They're all rednecks, like me. Granted I don't have a lot of fiends.

Paul said...

"Why not.....just move?"

There are several reasons. Mostly I need a big urban area to support my career, and the Bay Area is one of the best for working musicians.

NYC is insanely competitive with surprisingly little work given its size. I know great players there who struggle terribly and must resort to other means of earning a living, and that is always at the expense of time needed to keep developing as an artist.

LA is worse. Very little live action and the studio work is sewn up amongst an exclusive clique.

Plus they are almost as liberal as the Bay Area, though SF and Berkeley have the most extreme loony leftists anywhere for sure.

Also I am an outdoors enthusiast. I can be on deserted mountain bike trails in 20 minutes of pedaling from my door and at the west anchorage of the Bay Bridge in 35 minutes by car. Hard to beat that.

And then there's the weather. Nuff said.

There are more conservatives here than you might think, especially in my neck of the woods. However being a musician simply guarantees I'm surrounded by an endless supply of liberals who know absolutely nothing about political philosophy or basic economics. I don't talk politics with them and just play music and keep it light and humorous in conversation.

My real concern about leftism is for the sake of the nation, civilization, and the world. My personal beef with liberal douchebags is inconsequential.

gutless said...

Beautiful, successful, happily married, calm in the face of family drama, fertile, strong physically and emotionally, personally accomplished, happy and cheerful, confident - a few of Gov. Palin's strengths. These other gals? Not so much. Jealousy, especially when it undermines one's own brittle self image is not pretty when given vent. It becomes fear. If Mrs. Palin shifts the paradigm of the model female what happens to women like these two?

TNbourbon said...

(Yawn) I remember, too, when Ronald Reagan was just a dumb, old guy who used to be an actor with a chimp co-star. Whatever happened to ol' Ron, anyway?

Mark said...

A admire Palin, but I can't imagine actually watching the series. There are two reasons (in my mind) to watch a reality show; for the train wrecks or to learn things I did not know.

Since I don't particularly care for train wreck TV (and don't believe TLC would serve it up even if it happened), and I wouldn't expect to actually learn anything I hadn't already seen on any number of nature shows, then the only other reason to watch would be idolatry, which is how we got into our current mess.

tim maguire said...

Did anybody read the comments over there? You'd think this was Nixon's missing 10 minutes the way they go on about lids being blow off.

I don't read Huffington Post much but when I do, damn their political commenters are dumb.

Big Gov't Trickling Down on You said...

Well, the first two examples were entertaining, Chase.

I can't stand people who stand political e-mails. Especially from the left. At least when righties do that stuff I can put to rest the rumor that they lack for humor.

Big Gov't Trickling Down on You said...

Oh they're Democrats. They're like Democrats used to be...before the termi..I mean progressives took the party over.

"I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective: a graduated inheritance tax increasing rapidly with the size of the estate.

- Theodore Roosevelt

Every dollar spent by the government must be paid for either by taxes or by more borrowing with greater debt. The only way to make more tax cuts now is to have bigger and bigger deficits and to borrow more and more money. Either we or our children will have to bear the burden of this debt. This is one kind of chicken that always comes home to roost. An unwise tax cutter, my fellow citizens, is no real friend of the taxpayer."

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

It's a shame the punditocracy has seen so much to profit from in polarizing everyone into fake little tribes. It might as well all be for show. Well, on teevee it is...

Methadras said...

meaningless pap.

Harry said...

Boy, I'd call that pretty gentle mockery. I didn't see anything there to get offended about.

Palin was using her Blackberry to tweet every five minutes while they were taping her, even her kids commented on it. There's a send-up of the show in the Weekly Standard.

Big Gov't Trickling Down on You said...

Gerber's poster child opines...

Hoosier Daddy said...

An unwise tax cutter, my fellow citizens, is no real friend of the taxpayer."

Are there even enough rich folks to tax at even 50% to make up for Obama's spending spree? How many millionaires are there? (I'm talking income not accumulated wealth)

The Grand Inquisitor said...

"Fox used to regularly have the New Black Panthers on (I just googled, it was 50 times) when they wanted the perspective of a black person."

Garage Mahal assumes if you are putting a NBP on, it must be to get the entire black community's POV.

Why? Because he's an idiot. No evidence is provided to justify this pathetic complaint. FNC has a lot of blacks on, such as Juan Williams. They don't seem to really care if someone's black or white, but rather if they present a diversity of ideas.

No wonder the left freaks out about it.

Paul said...

How many people know TR was a progressive?

un said...

Personally, I wish that Palin would drop the 'aww shucks' schtick.

The fact is that no matter how much I agree with her, and it certainly depends of the issue, she always comes off sounding like a hick and I don't want a woman who sounds like a hick to be my president and I bet most Americans don't, either.

I had been hoping that she would be attempting to smooth out her delivery but alas! it's not to be.

p.s. I really, REALLY don't want her to be elected President and the continue to read about how 'stupid/dumb/ she sounds.

Juba Doobai! said...

Liz Trotta and Judith Miller? Oh please! This is not the first time on Fox that Trotta has gone negative on Palin. Judith Miller is a liberal Fox contributor. A former NYTer. An Obama voter. No surprise from any of these womyn.

Orinoco said...

So now Fox News newsreaders are taking their cues from The Washington Post and the New York Times? Really? I need to reevaluate.

Tim said...

Did anyone notice that the Pullitzer Prize last year went to the female slightly-conservative woman at the Washington Post who wrote half her columns criticizing Sarah Palin?

Synova said...

I think that the "out of context" defense may work well enough there. The one lady laughing so hard seemed mostly to be talking about the criticisms other people were making that were so funny. I'm not sure if it was her opinion that Palin secretly wanted to get out of the big outdoors or if she was saying someone else said that, and then when she started to explain that what a person thought of it had most to do with if they liked the person to start with, she got cut off. Her very next statement may have been that she didn't have those negative reactions to the show.

Juba Doobai! said...

Chef Mojo, maybe Niger's mommy wanted her boy to be named Nigel and the moron writing out the birth certificate misheard and wrote NIGER.

Juba Doobai! said...

un, the only way you won't hear someone saying Palin sounds dumb is if she woke up one morning and proclaimed she's a liberal Democrat. When that happens, aw shucks, gee willikers, why, she'd be just the brightest gosh-danged womyn who ever came down the pike, I do declare!

Shanna said...

What I want is a real right wing news channel...no lefties need apply.

God that sounds boring. Almost as dull as O'Reilly.

Doc Merlin said...

I want to watch people like Tom Sowell and Richard Epstein, not Bill O'Reilly or Mike Huckabee.

Hell, yes!!!

Mark said...

shorter un: concern troll is concerned.

Synova said...

"Boy, I'd call that pretty gentle mockery. I didn't see anything there to get offended about."

This was my reaction as well.

Even assuming that she was expressing her own opinion and not reporting the opinions of others, this was not that harsh.

Big Mike said...

Men didn't make the glass ceiling. Women stabbing each other in the back made it, and keep it there.

woof said...

"Boy, I'd call that pretty gentle mockery. I didn't see anything there to get offended about."

My reaction as well. Palin supporters must be really thin skinned.

rickl said...

Related to this discussion, the blogger Whiskey recently wrote a long analysis of the phenomenon of women voting against women, specifically conservative women:

The Election Results: Go Hunk, Avoid Women

His thesis is that a conservative woman can't win a national election, because the majority of women won't vote for her. It's pretty bleak, but I think he's onto something. He mainly seems to be referring to urban women, but there are enough of them to affect the outcome of an election.

Anyway, it's food for thought.

Ag80 said...

Didn't anyone else notice that the Huffington Post blogger said he suspected the clip was leaked as some sort of an example of a disgruntled Fox employee getting the truth out?

Since he picked up the clip from Mediaite, he obviously doesn't watch Fox.

Fox News Watch quite prominently promotes that you can watch the off-air discussion during commercial breaks on-line at foxnews.com and, although I haven't looked, the shows probably are archived.

It would be helpful, on occasion, if left-wing critics of Fox would, you know, actually watch it.

I'm sure they would get a lot more ammunition and it would go a long way in making them not look, well, stupid.

garage mahal said...

There are several reasons. Mostly I need a big urban area to support my career, and the Bay Area is one of the best for working musicians.

So you need a large population of hippies, and this case - dirty fucking hippies to truly thrive. They are supporting your whole way of life. God bless them.

HT said...

Blogger Paul said...

"I'm sure Mr Henican wouldn't appreciate that."

I'm not. He's the poster child for the earnest feminized metrosexual liberal vagina man. Bill Maher is manly by comparison.

______

I'm picking up a real male-against-male vibe in this comment.

HT said...

Juba Doobai! said...

un, the only way you won't hear someone saying Palin sounds dumb is if she woke up one morning and proclaimed she's a liberal Democrat. When that happens, aw shucks, gee willikers, why, she'd be just the brightest gosh-danged womyn who ever came down the pike, I do declare!
___

Isn't it pretty to think so?

But no.

Palin quit her job. That is but one reason this Democrat would never consider voting for her if she were ever to become a member of the Democratic Party.

Milwaukee said...

Chase said... Who can ever figure out what the left finds funny?
I'm not sure too many on the left have a sense of humor. Unless degrading somebody else is funny. Elsewhere it was noted that in the massive collection of emails from the East Anglia University, the lack of humor. No puns, no inside jokes, nothing. A lot of what passes for humor these days is merely ripping on somebody. Obama thought he was being funny when he compared his bowling skills to a Special Olympics participant.

My hope is that Palin doesn't run for President, because she is freer to call people out for their inanities not being President. My guess is that Sarah, with her children and positive love of life put these other women to shame. I remember years ago that offices with large numbers of female employees ran smoother with a male supervisor. Women with other women tended to grate on each other in ways that men with men don't. As a high school teacher I would see this. Two guys fight, get it over with, and manage to get along. Two female students would get mad at each other and it wouldn't end, even after one or both were in cuffs. Herds of cows usually get one older cow, called the "boss cow" which will take the role of a bull in leading the herd.

HT said...

I would not say the men's silence was "steely," at all. My gut tells me they have no idea or don't care to watch Dancing with the Stars

Thucydides said...

Governor Palin may well be experimenting with a new paradigm, amassing political power without using a political party.

After all, she can now influence elections, and has developed a resource base devoted followers (to spread the message through alt media), as well as financial clout to be truly independent and hire policy wonks, media advisers and all the other staff needed to organize and run complex operations. No party machinery is needed here, and considering how the Republican party left her high and dry, probably not wanted either.

As a Canadian, I have a vital interest in American politics and the US economy, considering we are tied on like the Titanic's lifeboat. Perhaps Governor Palin is not the "best" choice as President, but from the Great White North, I'm not sure who would be the "best" choice.

Paul said...

"So you need a large population of hippies, and this case - dirty fucking hippies to truly thrive. They are supporting your whole way of life. God bless them."

Ha ha. No. I actually like hippies. They are NOTHING like the bitter boomer leftists. I play occasionally for real hippie audiences in Sonoma or Mendocino county. They are like children...very friendly and quite sweet.

But neither is a very large part of my audiences except in certain specific situations.

Paul said...

"I'm picking up a real male-against-male vibe in this comment."

More like man vs. vagina man.

Paul said...

As soon as I hear "Palin is a quitter" I know I am dealing with either a weak or dishonest mind and one that should be ignored.

somefeller said...

More like man vs. vagina man.

You really try too hard.

garage mahal said...

Yea Sarah sure sticks with things don't she. She just likes variety.

HT said...

Paul said...

As soon as I hear "Palin is a quitter" I know I am dealing with either a weak or dishonest mind and one that should be ignored.

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and yet you didn't.

Paul said...

Well garage for a quitter she sure does manage to make a lot happen. From where I'm standing it looks she's accomplishing more, in a more original way, than just about anybody out there. She is so inside the establishment's OODA loop it's not funny. Well actually it is pretty funny watching liberal and rino heads explode.

CBI said...

When in the vicinity of a cat fight, most men are smart enough to keep quiet!

garage mahal said...

Paul
If RINO John McCain didn't pick Sarah Palin for VP nobody would be talking about her. She made a lot of money off of dupes just like Britney Spears made a lot of money off dupes. More power to her.

Paul said...

Yeah and if Obama didn't illegally dig up dirt to smear the R senator whose seat he won we wouldn't be talking about him either. Life is a crazy set of happenstances.

Sarah's not duping anyone. That's her appeal. She is genuine, herself. Unlike your Clintons and Obamas pretending to be whatever they think people want to see. You are incapable of perceiving this because being a fundamentally dishonest political hack you project the same flaw on everyone else.

She's single-handedly changing the political landscape. And the rulebook. No quitter-grifter is capable of that.

bgates said...

Palin quit her job.

Obama's first term in the Senate ends in six weeks.

Spending all that time serving in two branches of government must be hell on his short game.

jamboree said...

Awkward!

Many wimmins still can't tell a good verbal story/joke- woman in green, I'm looking at you.

BJM said...

@Hoosier

Are there even enough rich folks to tax at even 50% to make up for Obama's spending spree?

Obama isn't going after "rich" folks. Rich folks employ accountants to find loopholes or deflect income into tax-free shelters.

He's going after the small business folks who file under Subchapter S (file their business and personal income together at personal rates) It was intended to allow small business to keep more of their net income to re-invest in their businesses.

That means the dry cleaner, coffee shop and pizza franchise in your neighborhood.

Increasing taxes on small businesses right now will be a major clusterfuck.

bagoh20 said...

"Paul said...

Those two are Cinderella's wicked stepsisters.

And entirely unaware of that fact.

The vagina men at the table sit meekly through it but know that the contrast between Sarah's beauty and charisma (and obvious happiness) and these two harridan's lack thereof is the real issue.
"


That pretty much nails it, Paul. I think most men see that scene exactly like that.

Big Gov't Trickling Down on You said...

Obama's first term in the Senate ends in six weeks.

Spending all that time serving in two branches of government must be hell on his short game.


Most people don't perceive a move from senator to president as quitting, or a demotion. They view it as a promotion.

Then again, most people have brains.

M. Simon said...

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

A lot of womyn seem to have issues with Palin, Kathleen Parker, Mona Charen, Meghan McCain, Peggy Noonan, Davids Brooks and Frum…


Funniest comment of the thread.

Suburbanbanshee said...

"p.s. I really, REALLY don't want [Lincoln] to be elected President and then continue to read about how 'stupid/dumb/ [he] sounds."

There. Fixed it for you.

And yeah, I'm thinking that a squeaky tenor with a hardcore backwoods Illinois accent and a deliberately folksy, jokey, anti-gravitas manner is exactly the right comparison to make. Though of course a great many of our other prominent statesmen and presidents also went for folksy, and you could use any of them as an example.

At least they don't call Palin an ape....

JAY said...

just like Britney Spears made a lot of money off dupes

Al Gore made a TON of money of dupes.

Sigivald said...

It's not just what the women say and how they say it, it's the way the men sit back and maintain steely silence.

Because they're not idiots, I reckon.

It's vitally important to learn when to keep your mouth shut, and that's one of those times.

Seriously, both professionally and personally, I can't imagine calling them out over that to be particularly wise.

c3 said...

Reminiscent of this