October 23, 2010

"They don’t just hate our Republican, conservative, libertarian, strict constructionist, family values guts."

"They hate everybody’s guts. And they hate everybody who has any. Democrats hate men, women, blacks, whites, Hispanics, gays, straights, the rich, the poor, and the middle class."

P. J. O’Rourke works a theme.

115 comments:

mesquito said...

"Democrats hate Democrats most of all. Witness the policies that Democrats have inflicted on their core constituencies, resulting in vile schools, lawless slums, economic stagnation, and social immobility. Democrats will do anything to make sure that Democratic voters stay helpless and hopeless enough to vote for Democrats."

Stuff You Can't Say On NPR.

Quayle said...

A political party filled with people who just want to boss you around.

And they are shocked - shocked! - that you might not want that.

brakewater said...

I had assumed PJ O'Rourke was a dem since he worked for Rolling Stone. This is one of the best articles of the election cycle...

XWL said...

More PJ, "And Democrats hate the military, of course. Soldiers set a bad example. Here are men and women who possess what, if they chose, could be complete control over power. Yet they treat power with honor and respect. Members of the armed forces fight not to seize power for themselves but to ensure that power can bestow its favors upon all Americans."

I think that's why DEMs are so quick to paint military personnel with the PTSD brush. They tend to have a 'they must be crazy, cause if we were in their shoes, we'd be running a military dictatorship, already' mentality.

Chip Ahoy said...

He's exaggerating.

Bob_R said...

Pretty classic P.J. It's a great null hypothesis. Name one belief or action of the Dems that decreases the power of the Democratic party.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Chip Ahoy: He's exaggerating.

Normally I would agree with you, but I saw that clip of Bill Maher Althouse posted the other day, and I think the statement is on point.

Big Mike said...

Considering how Democrats were rejoicing over Rhee's departure from Washington, DC, I can only assume that they either they hate Black kids, or at any rate don't love them enough to educate them.

edutcher said...

mesquito took my point, but it's one of the two money quotes of the piece and oh, boy, does he nail it.

Nobody is hurting, and going to get hurt, like the Demos' core constituencies - blacks, Hispanics, single mothers - because, at best, we've got a year of economic stagnation facing us and, if we're not that lucky, another market swoon if a lot of people, George Soros included, are right.

The other big takeaway, of course, is, "Power, not politics, is what the Democrats love. Politics is merely a way to power’s heart.". And that's always been the real bottom line for the Lefties, that's what those super-majorities were supposed to hand them - for a generation, maybe forever. But an incompetent manager handed responsibility to implement that power to a pack of clumsy, self-interested straw bosses who forgot on whose back that power was gained. They paid back the big money crowd, but not the ones whose votes they'll need.

You can bet FDR wouldn't have let that happen.

(Not that big a fan of Lucy Mercer's boyfriend, but he was no fool)

campy said...

don't love them enough to educate them.

Of course not. Educated blacks sometimes think for themselves.

victoria said...

Balderdash. Spoken like a hate filled, vitriolic loser.

edutcher said...

Chip Ahoy said...

He's exaggerating.

No, he's right on the money. The various groups they use to get votes are never improved by the Demos' policies. They're always told, "We need more money, more time, another round of programs...".

Bob_R said...

Pretty classic P.J. It's a great null hypothesis. Name one belief or action of the Dems that decreases the power of the Democratic party.

Well, ZeroCare blew up in their faces.

John Burgess said...

November 2: 'Not an election, a restraining order'

That's just brilliant.

Florida said...

The most interesting part of this post is how Ann deliberately linked to it in such a way as to deny the Weekly Standard any advertising revenue.

I thought that was a nice touch.

Revenant said...

O'Rourke has still got it, I see. :)

Palladian said...

"Stuff You Can't Say On NPR."

PJ O'Rourke works for NPR, as a panelist on "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me". He's there to balance out the liberals on the show, who are, well, everyone else on the show besides PJ O'Rourke.

Florida said...

If you'd like to support conservatives, and the Weekly Standard, and P.J. O'Rourke, you could use this link instead and patronize their advertisers.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/they-hate-our-guts_511739.html

Why would Althouse deliberately try to undermine a conservative website by linking to the (non-advertising) print page for the article?

Maybe she is thinking of voting for Obama again!

The horror ....

DADvocate said...

Hate is a core emotion in Democrats.

They "care" but it's malignant caring. Democrats pretend to help these people to get their votes so they can stay in power and in control of others lives. Democrats are very careful to be sure that their programs don't allow anyone to gain true independence because they might not get their votes.

Fred4Pres said...

There is definitely self loathing among the far left.

Which is weird they do not get limited government and checks and balances, which assumes man is flawed and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Ann Althouse said...

"Why would Althouse deliberately try to undermine a conservative website by linking to the (non-advertising) print page for the article?"

Good question. It was an oversight, but I was forced to click print to get to text I could copy and paste to work on for the post. It's the way they did the layout so I couldn't cleanly select text.

Paul said...

Hatred and contempt is the natural projection of self righteousness.

The former arises in direct proportion to the latter.

steve said...

It's called the Mcguffin. The McGuffin is essentially something that the entire story is built around and yet has no real relevance (that definition is from a google search). In the healthcare debate the Mcguffin is the Democrats concern for the uninsured. They don't care about the uninsured. If they did, we could have found some way to get just the uninsured health insurance. But the Democrats took over the whole shebang because they believe people will become dependent on government and thus on them and keep returning them to power. It was a power grab. With the Democrats, you always have to look for the Mcguffin.

campy said...

But the Democrats took over the whole shebang because they believe people will become dependent on government and thus on them and keep returning them to power.

Well, yes; when the lives of your loved ones depend on whether or not you're in good with The Party, you'll do what you have to.

traditionalguy said...

The respect for individual human life and freedom to own and use their property is totally MIA in the latest Democrat Party. Now if we can convince the RINOs that being half that bad is OK, and demand full respect of our lives and our property we will have done some Tea Party work.

traditionalguy said...

I meant to convince RINOs NOT to offer Half As Bad as the Dems governance.

Bender said...

"They hate everybody’s guts. And they hate everybody who has any."

That's what they do. They hate. So much so, in fact, that that's what they are. They are haters.

Again and again, time after time, they demonstrate their utter contempt and disregard for all of mankind.

Even when you give them all the power that they lust for -- power they covet and seek so that they can destroy their opponents and control those they claim to care for, for whom they have a particular loathing -- they still rage and resent and spew anger and rancor. Go to any Dem city, and far from a paradise of brotherly harmony, you will find them treating each other like they are in a cage-fight match.

Their hate consumes them. It defines what they do, it defines who they are.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

I don't hate O'Rourke, but I'd like to know how exactly he came down with a case of anal cancer.

I bet you Fen would like to know how that happened, too.

Chip Ahoy said...

Now you are exaggerating.

All Democrats are not 100% gut haters. You may feel that characterizes their leadership and you may marshall many examples, but I know too many Democrats who are lovely and who are not motivated by hate. To them being a Democrat is a matter of choosing one of two parties and they feel quite strongly that one party as presented matches their own values much more closely than the other. Values of goodness and fairness and equality of opportunity, some sense of social equity and balance between the machinations gigantic corporations that run roughshod and the doings of private individuals who they see are often mowed down.

You cannot reasonably condemn all Democrats this glibly.

Quayle said...

If you want to fix poverty, crime, illiteracy, and conflicts between people and groups, the root cause solution is to build families that love, and that nurture and care for children so that as adults they have peace in their own hearts and know how to look out for and take care of others and to share.

The left says they want to fix the above problems, but then they advocate "non judgmental" marriage and family policies that break up homes and make the root cause solution near impossible.

Then to plaster over the hole of their abject failure, the left tries to convince us that a family is any arrangement of any adults with anyone's kids, as long as they are "caring people."

(Note how often it is that the selfish divorcee of one or two previous failed marriages now magically becomes the caring adult of a new leftist "family group."

I agree that an inability to achieve a perfect family should not be reason to not try to create a good caring group.

But let's not pretend that what the left creates and allows in our impoverished communities is either a perfect family or a caring group.

If they really cared, they wouldn't advocate the anything goes family, which at it's best must be labeled experimental, and at its worst is the source of most of our most expensive social ills.

You think I should focus on my own damn family?

I will, if your wounded-from-home and therefore socially dis-attached kid focuses on another person to stickup or another house to rob.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

They "care" but it's malignant caring.

It's the political version of M√ľnchausen syndrome by proxy.

HDHouse said...

a well written piece of fiction never goes out of style.

edutcher said...

HDHouse said...

a well written piece of fiction never goes out of style.

"We have to pass the bill to see what's in it".

John said...

I've been a fan of PJ's since he was at Ramparts and Scanlon's back in the 60's. He was pretty left wing at the time but sure could write. (He still can)I followed him at National Lampoon and follow him now wherever I can. I have a number of his books. Including, recently, a book with a number of articles on cars that he wrote for Car & Driver. Also, a book on Adam Smith is pretty good stuff. He is not only a good writer, he is a diverse writer.

Don't make the mistake of thinking he is a conservative. He is most definitely not. He himself will tell you that he is a liberal. A classical liberal or even libertarian if you like, but a liberal in the etymologically correct sense of the word, a "free man" See both Hayek, Von Mises, Milton Friedman, Rothbard and others for more on this.

I too am proud to be a liberal. I am proud not to be a conservative.

John Henry

Trooper York said...

There are many Democrats that are wonderful people. Many of them post on this blog.

They are jsut woefully misguided.

I feel sorry for them and would like to help them.

They are like Met fans. Or Packer fans.

They our help not our hatred.

Come over to the Dark Side.

The Crack Emcee said...

"They hate everybody’s guts. And they hate everybody who has any."

And, in case anyone ever wondered, this is why it's called The Macho Response.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

One thing I should love, is being lectured to on hate and love by the party with the highest divorce rates by state:

(Mostly) Red states with the highest divorce rates:

1 Nevada: 7.1
2 Arkansas: 6.2
3 Alabama: 5.4
3 Wyoming: 5.4
5 Idaho: 5.3
6 West Virginia: 5.2
6 Kentucky: 5.2
8 Tennessee: 5.1
8 Florida: 5.1
10 Mississippi: 4.9

(Mostly) Blue states with the lowest divorce rates:

33 New Jersey: 3.4
33 Maryland: 3.4
33 New York: 3.4
37 South Dakota: 3.3
37 Connecticut: 3.3
39 Rhode Island: 3.2
39 Wisconsin: 3.2
41 Iowa: 3.1
41 Minnesota: 3.1
41 Pennsylvania: 3.1
44 North Dakota: 3
45 Illinois: 2.9
46 Massachusetts: 2.5
46 Georgia: 2.5
48 District of Columbia: 2.4

And your methamphetamine problem ain't nothing to shake a stick at either.

It's this kind of ignorant bullshit that makes the right, and their socially dysfunctional enclaves, increasingly unpalatable to a country that cares about itself, its people, and its future.

Seriously. F Off. With all loving-kindness.

Alex said...

As usual Ritmo picks some random fact out of his ass and thinks he's made some genius point. NOT. He still has no answer for 50 years of black poverty and ruined cities.

Trooper York said...

I do think that those of us that are conservative to show a little more love to our more liberal commenters. I mean I like a little argument as much as the next guy. But sometimes we let it get out of hand.

I know in the past I was very mean to hdhouse and I would like to appolgize to him. Especially when I doubt what he says. Now I don't know much about that patent thingy but I want to vouch for him he does in fact email back and forth with Maureen Dowd.

Once againg hd, I appologize.
Your pal,
Trooper York

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

I'm not talking about black poverty. You want to think you have the answer for that, go present it to them and ask for their vote.

I'm talking about how red-staters hate each other too much to stay married to one another.

Despite the fact that Republicans and their "moral majority" used to talk endlessly about this arrangement as the bedrock of civilization. And still do (when they have nothing else to talk about).

Alex said...

Ritmo doesn't want to admit that somehow non-black cultures have figured out a way to live decently & cleanly and blacks continue to live in crime-ridden slums. Yeah voting Democrat for 45 years is really workin' for ya.

Fen said...

Ritmo: One thing I should love, is being lectured to on hate and love by the party with the highest divorce rates by state

What an odd comment from someone who claims he didn't steal "post hoc ergo propter hoc" from the West Wind episode playing that same day.

Seems that if he really did understand it, he wouldn't make such careless remark.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...
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Ritmo Brasileiro said...

"Ruined cities"? What's so ruined about our cities?

It takes not being a wussy to live in some parts of them, but I find many of them to be wonderful places, and nicer to live in than most suburbs. Their inhabitants have no choice but to build stronger, more organized connections with each other, place more emphasis on functional infrastructure and have deeper understandings of what matters to each other.

Outside of our nation's cities, functional neighborhoods don't even exist anymore.

I love rural and undeveloped areas even moreso than suburbs but I don't crave the kind of isolation that would make me move there permanently. We're better off continuing to green our cities instead.

Alex said...

It takes not being a wussy to live in some parts of them...

Rephrased - it takes turning off your brain to go live in a crime-ridden slum. No wonder families are leaving the remaining "good cities" in droves. All that will be left are gangs, druggie and a few hipster idiots.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Ritmo doesn't want to admit that somehow non-black cultures have figured out a way to live decently & cleanly and blacks continue to live in crime-ridden slums. Yeah voting Democrat for 45 years is really workin' for ya.

There you go, Alex. There's the loving kindness. I knew you could spew it.

Not to mention it's an incredibly asinine non-sequitur.

Fen said...

Ritmo: I'm talking about how red-staters hate each other too much to stay married to one another.

You think Divorce is a result of hatred?

Ya know, despite our differences, you've never come off as ignorant as this. Your account must be shared with some teenager.

Is that you Glenn Greenwald?

Tyrone Slothrop said...

To echo Chip, most of the liberals I know are not evil in the way Obama, Pelosi and Reid are evil. They are merely weak-minded and have never thought through what liberal policies wreak on society. They want to help people in need, but fail to understand that institutionalized social welfare deprives its recipients of a sense of self worth. On the other hand, evil liberals like Obama, Pelosi and Reid know that recipients of social welfare become habituated to the government's largesse and will never vote to decrease the power of the state. It's as simple as that.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Rephrased - it takes turning off your brain to go live in a crime-ridden slum. No wonder families are leaving the remaining "good cities" in droves. All that will be left are gangs, druggie and a few hipster idiots.

Really?

How's that rural-suburban methamphetamine problem working out for you, Alex?

Gangs are fully entrenched in many suburban communities across the nation; they began to expand from urban areas into suburban communities during the 1970s, continued their expansion in the 1980s, and launched into full-scale migration during the 1990s.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Oh look! Fen is trying new tricks. I'm glad he's branched out from his one-trick pony act.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

@Ritmo Brasiliero

Blue-staters don't get divorced because they never bothered to get married in the first place. Child support checks disqualify them from welfare checks and food stamp programs.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Hatred, socially dysfunctional, to-may-to, to-mah-to.

Who cares? Same thing.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

I have a feeling that's bullshit, Tyrone. But don't let that stop you from spewing the stereotypes.

Anecdotally, I've known rural inhabitants and city dwellers, and the city dwellers I know who have children are much more likely to be married.

At least I get my stereotypes from my own observational data. Who provided yours? Limbaugh?

Trooper York said...
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Fen said...

Ritmo: [...]

That reminds me, Ritmo's hatred has so consumed him that he spends his days on Althouse spiking any good-faith conversation between liberals and conservatives -

it's worth reposting a Ritmo comment from one earlier last week, displaying what he's up to at Althouse, and why he comments here:

Ritmo Brasileiro said: "It's good to know that the stupidest threads are just ripe for the threadjacking. I'll be sure to leave a trail of turds on every one of the brain droppings here that suit my fancy. Getting you shit-eaters to complain about the taste after opening your mouths wide and saying "Ahhhh..." to every bad idea under the sun is very satisfying, I must admit."
- 10/16/10 10:28 AM

Trooper York said...

If you want to know how to act, listen to the Crack Emcee. He gets all the dishes let me tell you.

That why he gives you The Macho Response.

Big Mike said...

You do realize, don't you Ritmo, that you are perfectly making O'Rourke's point? About lefties being consumed with hatred for just about everyone and everything.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

There's Fen. Left with nothing else to say, he goes on about how he likes the taste of my shit much better than he likes his own.

Who can blame him?

Open wide, Fen!

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

About lefties being consumed with hatred for just about everyone and everything.

I hate ignorance, and beyond that, not much else.

Where in his article does O'Rourke talk about ignorance?

Lefties do seem to have intolerance for the kind of stupidity that you assume good relations and goodwill requires.

Why are you so intolerant of facts, accuracy and reason, Mike?

I want to know. As a concerned citizen.

shoutingthomas said...

Shitmo...

Shitmo...

Shitmo...

By now, it's apparent that you are a psychotic masochist who comes here to get your ass kicked.

You're a sick fuck and you actually enjoy it.

What's your criminal history, Shitmo?

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

At least I don't fantasize about terrorist attacks on the U.S., the way you do, Squealing Thomas.

shoutingthomas said...

What's your criminal history, Shitmo?

Did you come over that beating I just gave you?

You jerk off over this shit, don't you?

What's your criminal history, Shitmo?

edutcher said...

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

"Ruined cities"? What's so ruined about our cities?

Ritmo clearly lives in a gated community.

And still spouts this Commie nonsense that the only way white Americans can redeem themselves is to become good little Leftists.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Here's what Squealing Thomas said:

I can't wait for the day... of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines

That's what Squealing Thomas said.

I don't doubt that he's intimately familiar with criminality and its repercussions.

shoutingthomas said...

Wanna jerk off again, Shitmo?

Come on, I'll humiliate you again.

Make an ass out of yourself. No problem for you, Shitmo.

Tell us your criminal history, Shitmo.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Let's play the Fen game with Squealing Thomas:

Here's what Squealing Thomas said:

I can't wait for the day... of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines

That's what Squealing Thomas said.

I don't doubt that he's intimately familiar with criminality and its repercussions.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

And he's here to provide the conservative case in the thread about how hateful his fellow ideologues aren't!

Lol.

Jim B said...

tyrone -

To echo Chip, most of the liberals I know are not evil in the way Obama, Pelosi and Reid are evil. They are merely weak-minded and have never thought through what liberal policies wreak on society.

THIS. A THOUSAND TIMES THIS.

My wife is a doctoral student, so I wind up talking to highly educated relatively young liberals on a pretty regular basis.

I can't count how many times I've heard them regurgitate some piece of Leftist cant, only to be genuinely shocked when I explain how that policy has been tried before and what the results of that policy was/is. Or about the laws of unintended consequences. Or about how there's a difference between what the Democratic Party SAYS is good for working class people and what is ACTUALLY good for working class people. Or about party machine politics.

They want to help people, and they've been told that those kind of people register and vote for Democrats. I've opened the eyes of more than a couple of them, and I'm pleased to say that I regularly hear from them about how outraged they are about this or that political story now that they understand what actually underlies the headlines.

It's not the average rank-and-file
Democrat that's the problem. Most of them come around easily enough if you're patient enough to get through the years of BS that they've been indoctrinated with all their lives.

shoutingthomas said...

Shitmo, you do have the mind of a criminal. Have you ever been incarcerated?

I will now provide you with the perfect material for your next jerk off, jackass.

The complete quote:

An absolutely hilariously ridiculous discussion.

So, after Muslims sneak a dirty bomb into Manhattan and detonate it, will Shithead Ritmo declare that the real problem is the potential Islamophobia the act might produce.

You bet he will. Ritmo, you are the stupidest cunt on the planet. Suicidally stupid. This Bigot-omania of yours if a hilariously stupid. You are one stupid fucking cunt.

I can't wait for the day that cunts like you are beaten in the street. It's going to happen. The tolerance for your stupidity will evaporate in the wake of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines while the crowd beats you, if I'm still alive.

Did that make you come?

shoutingthomas said...

Here, for those of you who think that Shitmo is not a psychotic masochist is his manufactured quote:

I can't wait for the day... of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines

Shitmo, you are a psychotic.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Anyway, check out Shooting Thomas' remarks, Fen's and Alex's and find a non-rightie to call more hateful. If that's what you want to do, so be it. I'd rather retire for the evening.

Peace.

shoutingthomas said...

So, tell us, Shitmo.

What is your criminal history?

How do you think that it reflects on liberal causes that a psychotic masochist like you supports those causes?

traditionalguy said...

Ritmo...Perhaps the best way to see the Conservatives and the RINOs and the Democrats many weaknesses is that they all arise from the "Love of Money". Using money is often a replacement for good social relationships and also for good Family relationships. Therefore, having money often harms ones character, and seeking money's power will easily justify many thefts and murders among all 3 of them. Scripture is often misquoted but it literally says that "The Love of money is A root of all evils". Every different evil can grow up where the love of money rules and not the love of God. Apply that principle, and we are back into depending for protection on a balanced system of Repubs and Dems each exposing the other's evils. But disaster happens when the lure of money causes them both to work together to split the loot. Such a cooperative effort is exactly what the great AGW Hoax was all about.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

That's what you said, Squealing Thomas. You don't get to cheer on the sidelines of your fantasy flash-mob without the dirty bomb attack you hope for. You can call it a minor prop in your daydream sequence, but it's a necessary condition. Without it, you don't get the other violence.

Do you find it embarrassing that you would fantasize about and wish for a terror attack just so that you could find an excuse for having violence inflicted on other people?

Any psychiatrist can see how unhinged you are.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

I'll play the FEN game some more with Squealy Thomas.

That's what you said, Squealing Thomas. You don't get to cheer on the sidelines of your fantasy flash-mob without the dirty bomb attack you hope for. You can call it a minor prop in your daydream sequence, but it's a necessary condition. Without it, you don't get the other violence.

Do you find it embarrassing that you would fantasize about and wish for a terror attack just so that you could find an excuse for having violence inflicted on other people?

Any psychiatrist can see how unhinged you are.

And here's your quote, AGAIN:

I can't wait for the day... of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines

Enjoy!

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

shooting thomas said:

I can't wait for the day... of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines

Please. Feel free to explain this quote as often as you like.

shoutingthomas said...

Shitmo,

You are an utter piece of shit.

Are you in prison now?

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

You have succeeded, psycho, in humiliating yourself, jerking off in your hand, and destroying any hope of sanity on this board.

Happy? I'll bet.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Don't make me use your quote on you again, ASSHOLE!

Seriously, grow up and lose the rage. Stop being such a dickhead. You are wrong, mean and you will not win this one.

I know being civilized is beyond you, but I'll offer you one last chance to try it.

shoutingthomas said...

Shitmo,

Stop before you become so depressed and suicidal that you shoot yourself in the head.

You're weak, stupid and mentally ill.

You think you're defeating the monster in yourself, but you're only feeding it.

Now, I'll leave you to your suicidal psychotic masochism.

Humiliate yourself to your heart's content.

You're good at that.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

I'd love to talk about the finer points of those deeper topics with you Traditional Guy. But apparently Squealy has a thread to derail.

We'll see how he chooses to proceed.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Oops. Spoke too soon. Oh well.

Do you find it embarrassing that you would fantasize about and wish for a terror attack just so that you could find an excuse for having violence inflicted on other people?

I can't wait for the day... of a dirty bomb attack on Manhattan. I'll be cheering on the sidelines

Ladies and Gentlemen, shootingthomas.

He's not a politician. Really.

Palladian said...

Will you two shut the hell up? Really. I don't expect anything of "shouting thomas" but I do know that you're capable of rationality, Ritmo. Therefore, can you please do the rest of us a favor and stop baiting him? Jeez...

Manfred said...

Since you claimed it was an oversight, you could easily have fixed it.

You didn't.

Why not do so now?

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

I'll do my best but MAN does that guy get on my nerves!

jamboree said...

"This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order."


I wish the whole article had been just the above sentence so it would be read and remembered.

traditionalguy said...

Shouting Thomas...Project much? We all can learn from another's thoughts. And since you cannot actually hurt Ritmo or anyone else on a Blog thread, why not allow for honest disagreements with others? And when you let another commenter know how angry they have made you, that tells them that they have your number. Arguing from another point of view is a better come back than name calling.

jamboree said...

@Ritmo

Red staters are more likely to get married and married young - the churchy influence. Blue staters are more likely to cohabitate if they are not the marrying kind and go through mulitiple relationships. Then there's the racial question - I'm sure you don't want to go there, right?

Nevada and DC I'm taking off the boards as too atypical in too many ways to average in at all.

Just as an example, the same page you cite has full on 50.4% of DC men never marrying at all and 46.2 percent of DC women not marrying.

Why are you even bothering with such ass stupid, easily shot down, make them say what you want them to say whether red or blue statistics anyway?

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Thanks for pulling this thread back together, guys. Apologies for allowing myself to get sidetracked.

Jamboree, why is marrying too young to know what you want and then divorcing preferable to never marrying?

Nevada is atypical. I thank you for being fair-minded enough to point that out. And I'm not afraid to address racial disparities. I think that's probably a more complex issue, and you're right that it might be better to avoid it just to stay topical. But I thank you for responding courteously and intelligently.

In any event, I'm left with the rejoinder. Is marrying young and with a poor understanding of what lifelong commitment requires preferable to never marrying? If so, why?

shoutingthomas said...

Shitmo,

I actually feel sorry for you now.

This is how you get a sense of accomplishment.

Pathetic.

Nothing going on in your life, is there?

What's the deal, Shitmo? Institutionalized? Drug addict? Convict?

I actually have a job, Shitmo. You'd be surprised how much better it is to accomplish something in the real world.

Beats beating off here and crowing over it.

Now that I understand just how sick and pathetic you are... well, who knows?

shoutingthomas said...

And, Shitmo...

It's a good idea to take the dick out of your head once in awhile.

You're going to get blisters from beating off.

Not that you have anything better to do.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Well, Palladian - I tried.

Methinks someone should look up the meaning of the word "recidivist".

Whoever wants to continue trying for a civil discussion on hatred/love and/or meaningful social relations in conservative vs. left areas, feel free to have a go at it.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

Wow. That second comment should qualify for The Pulitzer Prize of Bathroom Wall Comments.

shoutingthomas said...

The only remaining question, Shitmo...

How many times do you beat off per day?

Doesn't your dick get sore?

SSI pays your bills?

Come on, Shitmo, you enjoy humiliation.

I'll give you as much as you want.

shoutingthomas said...

Do you enjoy eating shit, too, Shitmo?

I imagine that you do.

I'll feed you as much as you want.

Ritmo Brasileiro said...

/creep.

That guy reminds me of someone.

traditionalguy said...

Ritmo...IMO marrying is always a wild experiment at age 18 to 23, and there is no training available. The Idea of Safe People is the best advice that can be given. Some people are safe for you and some are not safe. That takes several months intense learning about someone, and a self knowledge of what is truly good and what only feels familiar to someone psychologically abused by their family. It is a great question.

shoutingthomas said...

Shitmo,

Pictures of your hero!

Shitmo, your only achievement in this life is torpedo-ing comment threads in this site... This is, in fact, your openly proclaimed objective.

That's some achievement pal.

I gather that you are completely incapable of doing anything in the real world.

I'm sorry for you. That can produce the sort of twisted psychotic masochism that clearly afflicts you.

You will continue to shit it up on this site. No doubt.

And, you will continue to beat off in triumph when you succeed.

It's pathetic, but that's all you've got.

Did you just come in your hand again?

E.M. Davis said...

Ritmo is searching for causation with the marriage thing, but all he has is a loose correlation to "hate" and "divorce." A bullshit one, too.

I can't believe any of you took the bait to "debate" this with him.

All of those states that make the list — all 50 of them — are fucking purple, not red nor blue.

You can deduce practically nothing from those divorce rate numbers and voter registration by party.

traditionalguy said...

Really Shouting Thomas you are showing out hatred yourself to the point of becoming boring. Nobody else goes off like that on internet threads. Can't we discuss football or baseball with you? My teams are all losers this season compared to our hopes for them: The Braves, The Falcons, The Yellow Jackets and the Bulldogs. But sort of by luck I have been following the Wisconsin Badgers so I have a winner to root for too. Their QB Scot Tolzien is an NFL quality player, as is their DE J.J. Watts. I hope the Falcons draft one or both of them. My son keeps us all into unbeaten TCU excitement, having many loyal friends from Texas Christian to this day. Buy how the mighty Yankees have fallen. Sorry Trooper,but wait until Steinbrenner buys the Ranger's players next year.

deborah said...

27/98 posts. At what point is someone considered a troll based on numbers?

k*thy said...

You cannot reasonably condemn all Democrats this glibly.

Thank you, Chip.

John said...

It is such an easy argument to accuse your political opponents of being evil and hateful, as though they go home at night make special prayers for the destruction of humanity. What a lame argument. It's so easy to make a pop-psychology analysis and come to the conclusion that your opponents are bad, hateful people--and that is the only explanation for their positions. Conservatives should know better, having been on the brunt of such shoddy thinking so many times in the past.

rsb said...

O'Rourke is full of coke. Dumbest article I have ever read by him and I have been reading his stuff since the mid 70's. Republican politicians are also just as power hungry. They all just want to get reelected.

Pogo said...

It's neither Democrats nor Republicans per se, but statists who loathe their subjects, wanting only to dominate them, to run even the smallest part of their lives.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

deborah said...

27/98 posts. At what point is someone considered a troll based on numbers?


For Ritmo, it only takes one. When he gets his teeth into a thread, it's best to tiptoe away.

sunsong said...

Both sides have plenty of haters, imo. And both have kind people. Both sides' haters want to tell everyone how to live their lives. They are in so many ways mirror images of each other - shadow dancing, projecting and, yes hating.

That said, I love this:

: 'Not an election, a restraining order'

Such a great point. The dems absolutely need to be restrained. They can't or won't do it on their own. And they need to *have* to deal with the pubbies. They have been so arrogant and dismissive - as if half the country shouldn't make a peep. Those of us who don't want more government, don't want a healthcare mandate, don't want to borrow and spend in the trillions were pretty much told: we won so just shut up and accept what we're doing Pelosi even changed the locks so the pubbies couldn't present any ideas on healthcare. That's been the attitude, it seems to me, of the left. We won, you lost, we're going to ignore and dismiss you

Nothing compassionate about that.

Ralph L said...

victoria said...
Balderdash. Spoken like a hate filled, vitriolic loser.
Don't be so hard on yourself, victoria.

Fen said...

RitmoL allowing myself to get sidetracked

...like a Banjo.

Palladian said...

"That guy reminds me of someone."

No, Jamie Gumb had better fashion sense.

damikesc said...

Could the good prof just remove Ritmo and thomas from here? Threads they get involved with become unreadable in really short order. You gave them a chance to mature and they haven't.

ndspinelli said...

PJ has balls when he writes. However, when he is the token conservative on NPR or Maher's Circus, he's a wimp. But, after this screed, he may not get invited back..ala Juan Williams.

Beth said...

Thanks, Chip.

Also, I note how often we use conservative and GOP interchangeably, and liberal and Democrat interchangeably. I consider myself a liberal, but I am not a Democrat. Like many of you conservatives who object to much of the GOP party politics and behavior in office, I find myself wanting to see a liberal party emerge to challenge the Democratic power structure. Not a far-left wingnut Green party, to be sure.

lyssalovelyredhead said...

I find myself wanting to see a liberal party emerge to challenge the Democratic power structure. Not a far-left wingnut Green party, to be sure.

How would you describe your ideal party, Beth? I'd be interested in what it would stand for.

- Lyssa

jeff said...

He's been a libertarian pretty much since he was in college.

"One thing I should love, is being lectured to on hate and love by the party"

You think your being lectured by a party? You know he is one person, right? If you knew anything about him, you would know he is far from being a social conservative. Lumping all conservatives as Right Wing social conservatives is not only stupid, but alienates a lot of people who actually agree with you on SOME issues.

Christopher said...

"You cannot reasonably condemn all Democrats this glibly."

Really, Chip? I'd like to believe you, but my gut says that if you brought up the name of Sarah Palin to any of your "democrats who are lovely and not motivated by hate," every one of them would turn into a screaming spittle-flecked rageaholic in under ten seconds.

Incitatus4Congress said...

I'd put this down as a rare miss for O'Rourke. If the last ten years of elections has told us anything, it's that the only two differences between a Republican and Democrat is spelling and talking points.

Look at how many people are confused as to where the Bush admin ended and the Obama admin began. Look at the amount of policy carry-over from one admin to the next.

Gay marriage, abortion, small government, single payer health care - election soundbites and nothing more.

Both parties want Big Government, which in fairness represents the sad fact that the majority of Americans want Big Government: they just want the kind of Big Government that will leave them alone while harassing everybody else on their behalf.

(The Tea Party movement seemed fairly hopeful until it was hijacked by social conservatives and the same old talking points.)

A pox on all their houses. And a pox on O'Rourke for getting old in his old age.