September 29, 2010

At the Litter & Poo Café...

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... did you Obamadisonians clean up after yourself as well as the Tea Partiers do?

111 comments:

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
Meh, it's not important, we ahd diversity in our hearts and social justice on our minds, and Obama upon our lips...

Why would we need more? Any way, the clean-up is for the Proletarians who can't afford college. It's job security for them, really.

I mean, I woodda cleaned up, a bit, but there was this hot Asian chic in the third row and I had to move in on her, plus my friends had my bong and I wasn't going to let them out of my sight...especially with the hot Asian chic, there...I mean what pulls hippie chics faster'n weed?

Original Mike said...

Maybe the $10.5k was because the UW was on the hook to pick up the poo.

I see these horses at the football game too. Who is responsible to pick up the poo?

Michael said...

The government is supposed to pick up the trash, right?

traditionalguy said...

This post is premature. The excrement and the trash are being driven out on November 2,2010.

Smilin' Jack said...

did you Obamadisonians clean up after yourself...?

Well, did you?

Original Mike said...

... did you Obamadisonians clean up after yourself as well as the Tea Partiers do?

Of course not. Like Michael said, that's why they pay taxes. (Or their parents, in this case.)

Lincolntf said...

Two and a half Badger heads to clean up after a speech? Outrageous!

peter hoh said...

Since it's a cafe, here's a off-topic video link.

Anderson Cooper interviews a Michigan assistant attorney general about his one-man crusade to oust the student body president of the University of Michigan.

Lem said...

Someone alert titus ;)

El Pollo Real said...

I read a statistic once about how much acreage surrounding Victorian London was devoted to biofuels, i.e., oats and hay for the equestrian transportation system.

Can you image the chore of removing all that waste?

David said...

"and the horse you rode in on."

Doug Wright said...

EPR: Do you know what was the best anti-mosquito device was back in the Victorian Days of Yore/

MadisonMan said...

You know what would wash off that excrement? A rain storm with a hurricane.

However, since Obama became President, there have been no landfalling hurricanes in the United States!

Coincidence?

Link.

blake said...

Well, duh, Madman.

You don't think Cheney was gonna leave the Weather Machine behind, did you?

edutcher said...

Interesting the Tea Partiers are the ones with respect for government property.

Then again, they're the ones who pay for it.

Original Mike said...

Interesting the Tea Partiers are the ones with respect for government property.

Actually, that really did impress me. Though, upon reflection I'm not surprised.

AllenS said...

If a horse shits on the street in front of your house, scoop it up and throw it in your garden. No brainer.

Liberals litter. Expect it.

MadisonMan said...

Are you asking if College Students clean up after themselves as well as people at Tea Party rallies, people who are older?

Is my room at home cleaner than my teens'?

El Pollo Real said...

Do you know what was the best anti-mosquito device was back in the Victorian Days of Yore

I give up-what?

I do know that the Gin & Tonic was an anti-malarial concoction.

Triangle Man said...

Coincidence?

As a scientist, surely you must know that climate and weather are the only phenomena not subject to coincidence. Everything happens for a reason where climate and weather are concerned.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I would expect the crowd to pick up the litter. And of course they didn't.

However, it seems to me the responsiblity for the horse apples would fall upon the horse rider or the entity that provided the horse: not the crowd. Did they ASK for horses?

Original Mike said...

Are you asking if College Students clean up after themselves as well as people at Tea Party rallies, people who are older?

A more telling comparison would be the Tea Party rally vs. the Inauguration.

blake said...

Yeah, it's not exactly something that can be laid on the shoulders of youthful exuberance/irresponsibility.

Compare the after pix of Beck's rally vs. Inauguration.

Big Mike said...

Let's not comment about people picking up after themselves. That sort of thing makes Victoria (Vicki in Pasadena) very upset at the Tea Partiers.

Doug Wright said...

EPR: Street sweepers shoveled horse pooh off the the streets. Flies and Skeeters just loved all that fresh pooh.

I've read articles estimating that about 2-million pounds of pooh were dumped each day on NYC's streets; can't claim the accuracy of those claims but believe it had to be a pile of pooh each day; not quite the same thing as Sioux City's million dollar pile.

wv: fighte for you; Al Franken's big claim.

Cheers.

Chip Ahoy said...

Shut UP. This mess was inherited, you know.

Original Mike said...

You know, we've been blaming the horses, but is it possible that's the site of the podium?

Roman said...

GREEN ALERT: It looks biodegradeable to me.

John said...

Bill Veeck, the baseball promoter and team owner once owned or managed a horse racing track. He wrote a book about it "Thirty Tons a Day"

That was how much horse crap was generated in the stables and getting rid of it was a major challenge.

John Henry

A bit offtopic but Wisconsin related is how Milwaukee disposes of the solid waste in their sewage treatment system. They dry, grind, bag and sell it.

I just bought a bag of Milorganite the other day in HoDe for my lawn.

Don't use it on anything you are thinking of eating, though.

MadisonMan said...

is it possible that's the site of the podium?

That's Humanities on Park almost at Universtiy -- you can see Vilas in the background. The podium was on the mall next to the Library, I thought.

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Original Mike said...

It was a joke, MM.

Meade said...

"I just bought a bag of Milorganite the other day in HoDe for my lawn.
Don't use it on anything you are thinking of eating, though."

Heavy metals: the dirty secret of "organic" foods.

Almost Ali said...

Attention Madison mares! It's only a horse diaper.

AJ Lynch said...

Only women cops get horses in Madison?

Anthony said...

I'm going to assume the tea partiers in Madison cleaned up after themselves, given the comparison in this post, but were there 26,500 of them (as the Madison police dept. estimated at the Obama rally)? I don't think anyone should be littering, regardless of political affiliation, but comparing a Madison Tea Party rally to a Madison Obama rally without having both sets of numbers of attendees hardly seems fair. If someone can point me to a rough number of attendees at the Madison Tea Party rally, maybe I'll start taking this criticism a little more seriously.

blake said...

Anthony,

There were 300,000 on the Mall.

Anthony said...

Blake,

I'm talking about the tea party rally in Madison.

Almost Ali said...

Only women cops get horses in Madison?

Yes, and as you can plainly see, they're in need of bigger horses.

blake said...

So, your theory is that Madisonians are more slovenly than whatever motley assortment finds its way to DC? Interesting.

OK, there were at least 10,000 people at the Madison TP, if memory serves. They didn't make even 1/3rd the mess.

blake said...

Not just slovenly, but so incredibly slovenly that 10x the people would make less of a mess.

Original Mike said...

Anthony,

Everybody else is talking about the much larger Tea Party rally in D.C. after which, by all the reports I've seen, the mall was clean as a whistle. You know, this mall.

Anthony said...

Blake,

I don't have a theory. I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that Althouse was implying a comparison between two rallies that occurred in Madison, and the consideration of each for picking up after themselves. I came to this assumption considering that she attended both rallies and was able to assess the amount of litter at both.

BJM said...

Althouse, I just got the photo.

edutcher said...

Almost Ali said...

Only women cops get horses in
Madison?


Yes, and as you can plainly see, they're in need of bigger horses.


As they say, ride a cowboy, save a horse. In this case, literally.

Kirby Olson said...

The party for the anoinment of Kim Jong-Eun had better dancing, and nicer clothes.

Almost Ali said...

Re: Madison Tea Party:

"Everyone was incredibly neat. The grounds were virtually litter free when everyone left".

Anthony said...

Original mike,

This is why I'm reluctant to comment on this blog. If I give any pushback whatsoever to something posted--you know, start a dialogue--I'm met with people already assuming I have some sort of agenda, and those, like you, assuming I'm stupid. I lived in DC. I know what the Mall is. But Althouse didn't reference any of the Tea Party rallies in DC, Glenn Beck's or any others. I wasn't responding to commenters, I was simply responding to the post.

Original Mike said...

...maybe I'll start taking this criticism a little more seriously.

Well?

Original Mike said...

Fair enough, but now what do you think about the cleanliness left behind by the Tea Party (actually, the Glenn Beck) rally? Pretty extraordinary, don't you think?

Anthony said...

I think if there were 300,000 people there as one commenter estimated (although I must say my quick google search led me to a CBS story saying 87,000 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html) that is quite impressive if they were neater than the 26,000 people at Obama's rally in Madison.

Assuming it is true, I don't have an explanation for that. Maybe, as some have argued, "college students are messier" is a more likely conclusion than ideology. I honestly can't think of a non-absurd reason why political ideology has anything to do with littering. It is quite easy to use the political ideology rationale in an attempt to polarize groups of people, so it's no surprise that some would prefer that be the reason.

Almost Ali said...

So, your theory is that Madisonians are more slovenly...

Obviously.

Of course, sloven Liberals aren't restricted to Madison, they're a plague across the land.

El Pollo Real said...

anthony wrote: I honestly can't think of a non-absurd reason why political ideology has anything to do with littering.

I can't either. I honestly think (as you hint) that it's simply a difference in maturity level between the different event participants.

America's Politico said...

It is over for the GOP and Tea Party.

The Obama/Biden + Pelosi + Reid are now totally supported by the voters -everywhere.


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_a4b071e8-cb5d-11df-b464-001cc4c002e0.html

GOP, Tea Party: How do you like your apples?

GREEN or RED

Original Mike said...

I think it's inarguable that all large collections of people (e.g. rallies) leave quite a lot of litter behind. Certainly every one I've seen has. The Beck rally on the D.C. mall is a singular exception. Make of that what you will. I think it saya a lot about the conscientiousness of the people who attended that rally.

El Pollo Real said...

AlphaPolitico wrote: GOP, Tea Party: How do you like your apples?

We like them picked up please.

Almost Ali said...

The Beck rally on the D.C. mall is a singular exception.

Maybe you missed this about the Madison Tea Party:

"Everyone was incredibly neat. The grounds were virtually litter free when everyone left."

Moral: There are no "exceptions" regarding Tea Parties vs. Obama rallies; liberals leave the grounds like a pigsty.

Jeremy said...

How does The Queen know how well the teabaggers cleaned up after theier white power get together for Glenn and Princes Sarah?

Was she there?

Did she help out?

Is she full of shit?

Almost Ali said...

I honestly can't think of a non-absurd reason why political ideology has anything to do with littering.

I can: breeding.

El Pollo Real said...

Jeremy wrote: How does The Queen know how well the teabaggers cleaned up after theier white power get together for Glenn and Princes Sarah?

You Sullivanists all sound the same.

Original Mike said...

Crap. Jeremy found us. Time to go hide in another thread.

blake said...

Well, Anthony, you managed to find the LEAST credible count in your searches. The conservative estimate is closer to 300,000 but <a href="http://bigjournalism.com/mopelka/2010/08/30/just-how-large-was-the-attendance-at-becks-restoring-honor-rally/>Big Journalism</a> puts it at 500,000.

The pushback you experience comes from people pretending to be honest seekers/purveyors of info who then reveal themselves--to a one--as raging leftists.

Reasonable people can disagree as to the exact number of people at the Restoring Honor rally, but 87,000 isn't a reasonable estimate, and--despite Jeremy's jeremiads--there's no debate as to how clean they left it, which is far cleaner than the 27,000 in attendance in Madison yesterday.

And this cleanliness--respect for public property, some might call it--has been repeated in Tea Party after Tea Party.

Jeremy said...

How many "non-littering" teabaggers attended the massive rally in Madison?

Take a wild guess...

Jeremy said...

Despite the perfect weather, attendance at this year's Madison Tea Party was FAR lower than last year.

Based on an actual photographic count, there were only 2,600 people at the event earlier today, compared to 8,000 in 2009. One-third the size of last year! This is a massive drop, and it indicates that both the size and the influence of the the Wisconsin Tea Party are rapidly declining.

But they didn't litter.

Duh.

Lem said...

The angle of the camera makes it appear as though the black horse only has tree legs.

I'm assuming that for that for the horse to be captured in that 'pose' he had to be moving.. when..

Its kind of neat.. or something.

BJM said...

@Original Mike

It figures that the trolls and mobys show up on the horseshit thread.

Big Mike said...

@Jeremy, you're on the wrong side of history, and you shouldn't have to find a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing.

Hector Owen said...

It's a philosophical thing. Obama and his fans want bigger government. Cleaning up litter is a government job. A lot of litter makes work for government workers, and demonstrates the need for them. The more litter gets left, the more workers have jobs, and the presence of the litter demonstrates that the large government workforce is a necessity. Tea partiers want smaller government. By cleaning up after themselves, they deprive these workers of their livelihoods. Therefore we can see that the Tea Partiers are against the working class!

Though some might see it as a variation on the broken window fallacy.

Jeremy said...

Big Mike said..."@Jeremy, you're on the wrong side of history, and you shouldn't have to find a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing."

Gee, let me write that one down.

And speaking of "history"...can I assume you were doing crack during the Bush years...?

As for "blowing"...that's about all the teabaggers are good at.

Jeremy said...

Hector Owen said..."It's a philosophical thing. Obama and his fans want bigger government."

Wall Street Journal
JANUARY 24, 2009

The most basic Bush numbers are damning. If increases in government spending matter, then Mr. Bush is worse than any president in recent history. During his first four years in office -- a period during which his party controlled Congress -- he added a whopping $345 billion (in constant dollars) to the federal budget.

The only other presidential term that comes close? Mr. Bush's second term. As of November 2008, he had added at least an additional $287 billion on top of that (and the months since then will add significantly to the bill). To put that in perspective, consider that the spendthrift LBJ added a mere $223 billion in total additional outlays in his one full term.

If spending under Mr. Bush was a disaster, regulation was even worse. The number of pages in the Federal Registry is a rough proxy for the swollen expanse of the regulatory state.

In 2001, some 64,438 pages of regulations were added to it. In 2007, more than 78,000 new pages were added. Worse still, argues the Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy, Mr. Bush is the unparalleled master of "economically significant regulations" that cost the economy more than $100 million a year.

Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70%. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations

So, Hector...what exactly is your point?

*And I'm not talking about the one on the top of your little head.

Jeremy said...

Does anybody here ever actually read anything relating to what they post...BEFORE posting it?

It's like unabated wingnut sewage spewing out of a huge teabagger pipe.

Doug Wright said...

Jeremy: what is the class objective this semester? Your thread seems a bit muddled, unclear, as though more than one person is commenting under the same "screen name!"

Pity none of you decided first off what to say and how to say it!

Cheers, old lad, hope your instructor is pleased with your progress.

El Pollo Real said...

It's like unabated wingnut sewage spewing out of a huge teabagger pipe.

Hush with the Cloaca Maxima visuals!

Jeremy said...

Dougie - You're spewing drivel.

Try it again.

Jeremy said...

I see no one has the guts or intelligence to refute the Bush years of government expansion.

What a shocker.

info said...

As usual...and we will be taking out the liberal's trash this November as well...

Doug Wright said...

Jeremy: I have not made fun of your name. However, two minor points. Do it again and your name will wind up being used in ways you will not like. Also, if you ever say that to my face, I shall physically rearrange your face. Do not doubt me, Jeremy.

edutcher said...

Jeremy said...

I see no one has the guts or intelligence to refute the Bush years of government expansion.

What a shocker.


Why should they? Most Conservatives railed against it, but Jeremy thinks that quoting a WSJ piece, dated January 2009, calling Dubya's spending " a disaster" gets The Zero off the hook.

The Zero spent as much in one year as Dubya did in eight and expanded government in directions clearly against the will of the people. When you claim you're in a hole (assuming you don't intend to do much worse), you don't keep digging.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

Poor Anthony, got his knickers in a wad, becasue he got "push-back". You got the answers you sought, didn't you? I suspect they aren't really the answers you hoped for...

bagoh20 said...

Women should not get paid to ride horses.

Chip Ahoy said...

The t(h)ree legged horse that Lem pointed out is bothering me, so I fixed it.

Ann Althouse said...

I attended a big Tea Party rally in Madison and when the crowd left there was not a scrap of litter anywhere. People pro-actively looked for and picked up any litter.

Meade went to the Washington DC Tea Party rally the day health care was being passed, and he said the same thing. Absolutely zero litter. The people were vigilant.

bagoh20 said...

"Absolutely zero litter."

Respect for country, each other, themselves and even a government that's occupied by people who despise them back for it.

Many Americans are exceptional, and thus the nation they love. We need to grow and encourage such people, by simply leaving them and their liberty alone.

Lem said...

The t(h)ree legged horse that Lem pointed out is bothering me, so I fixed it.

lol

i do have a problem with the number three.

it has probably cost me a ton of readership.

JAL said...

I have heard that there is no litter in Singapore (or chewing gum, for that matter).

The difference is the tea partiers pick up after themselves (and others) as a lifestyle / values choice. Something to do with personal responsibility as well as self discipline. Less entitlement thinking.

See -- there they go again -- making choices! Darn those conservatives.

(Not because Nanny Bee or Em scolds them to.)

AlphaLiberal said...

Reality intrusion for those in the right wing news bubble:

FoxNews is ignoring this story so the right wingers wouldn't know about it.

Right wing hero and James Breitbart spinoff James O'Keefe tries to lure CNN woman onto boat for sexual video taping including dildos, fuzzy handcuffs and more. Right wing porn, I guess.

Looking forward to Althouse blasting this misogyny. Just not holding my breath

Seven Machos said...

Alpha -- You couldn't find a better thread to jack than the one about shit?

blake said...

Right, Alpha.

I can't believe I actually wasted time clicking on your links back when you first showed up.

wv: tuslag

You turn reasonable conversation tuslag.

alan markus said...

From the article Alpha linked to:

Boudreau wrote about the episode on her CNN blog.

"Apparently, I represent all of the things this group hates about the mainstream media," she wrote. "They feel because of the way I look that I do not matter, and that my reporting is a joke. They don't know anything about my work ethic - my history - my dedication and commitment - and my love for reporting. They just saw my blonde hair. And the ironic thing is that I'm really a brunette."



I don't video would have proven the "natural brunette" thing.

Triangle Man said...

The people were vigilant.

I don't know if it is universal, but the notices for two Tea Party rallies I saw asked for volunteers to do clean-up and specifically requested that attendees pick up trash in the area.

MadisonMan said...

Those quadripeds are overwhelmingly equine.

RIP Jack.

Big Mike said...

The people were vigilant.

We haven't been. Now we're starting.

Triangle Man said...

Those quadripeds are overwhelmingly equine.

Given the overwhelmingly bovine population of Wisconsin, what does the presence of so many equines mean about the current administration, and the left in general?

I don't recall seeing any horses at Tea Party rallies.

MadisonMan said...

Ack. Not Jack, Tony. Oops.

Some like it Hot is a great movie.

Given the overwhelmingly bovine population of Wisconsin, what does the presence of so many equines mean about the current administration, and the left in general?

I'm cracking up. LOL.

jayne_cobb said...

There is little worse than when people bring horses on running trails.

You spend the next five miles dodging piles of horse shit and hoping the animal you pass doesn't suddenly decide to change direction.

Freeman Hunt said...

Venting:

My Dad died on Monday. He was very involved in charity and worked for the United Way. Because of his community involvement, there there was an article about him today in a metro paper. The article made it sound as though he detested the for-profit world which is absolutely false. It's as though in the language of journalism, good person = hates business. What crap. My father was a conservative of the libertarian sort. Really hacks me off that his name was used today to bash profit. He would never have agreed with that.

One can love charity and what makes it possible at the same time.

Meade said...

Vent freely, Freeman.

I'm sorry to hear of your father's death, sorry for your loss.

MadisonMan said...

Freeman, Very sorry to read about your Dad, and the misrepresentation of him in the paper. Double hurt.

Michael said...

Freeman: Deepest sympathy to you.

alan markus said...

Freeman, my condolences. In my previous work life, I had the opportunity to sit on numerous nonprofit committees & boards. It was the guys (and ladies) like your father that were the catalyst that made things happen - his community also lost something this week.

If you haven't already done so, read "Who Really Cares" by Arthur Brooks. Good book that shows who really gives money and time to social causes.

Jeremy said...

Ann Althouse said..."I attended a big Tea Party rally in Madison and when the crowd left there was not a scrap of litter anywhere. People pro-actively looked for and picked up any litter."

Were there 26.000 people at the rally?

I-doubt-it.

And when did you join the Tea Party...Ms "Independent?"

Original Mike said...

Very, very sorry to hear that, Freeman.

Almost Ali said...

Tea in Madison:

Speakers claimed there were between 10,000 and 12,000 people in attendance. While I cannot speak for the numbers the capital grounds were packed thick with people through the center and off to both sides.

blake said...

Yes, Ali, but it wasn't 27,000 people, you see? Everyone knows that trash magically appears when you hit that magic number.

Also, if you go over it, like, to 500,000, as in the Beck rally? It magically disappears again.

wv: swarke

(Well, maybe a little.)

Meade said...

"Were there 26.000 people at the rally?
I-doubt-it.
And when did you join the Tea Party...Ms "Independent?"

Types Jeremy, feverishly, from the tiny Ground Zero Mosque deep inside his frustrated festering brain.

JAL said...

Freeman --

I am sorry you have lost your father. You and your family have my deepest sympathy.

May the God of all Comfort comfort you especially in this time.

Your father appears to have left a positive legacy behind -- including a good and smart one in you.

wv conso
Really.

Emil said...

If that is Maureen Wall on the horse facing this way, then she's strapped on the feedbag!

America's Politico said...

Freeman, Godspeed.

The GOP and Tea Party press (fox news,eg) is not very friendly. That is why we must continue to pressure everyone to support the President, Speaker, and Majority Leader (Obama/Biden, Pelosi, and Reid).

Irene said...

So sorry, Freeman.

AST said...

It just occurred to me that I didn't see Feingold, or any other Democratic candidate's name anywhere. Not even the name of the Party or its cute little new logo.

Did Ann?

Almost Ali said...

Blake:

Now I know the magic Liberal number.

Thanks for clearing that up, literally.