June 9, 2010

"Could you say 'senator' instead of 'ma'am? It's just a thing. I worked so hard to get that title."



It's just a thing! And another thing is that a sharper, abler... ma'am is eager to undo all the hard work:
U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and GOP candidate Carly Fiorina have already started sharply attacking each other and offering a preview of what could become one of the most compelling Senate races in the country this fall.

"In her 28 years as a career politician, Barbara Boxer is a bitter partisan who has said much but done little," Fiorina said in speech full of barbs at Boxer as she accepted the GOP nomination Tuesday night here. "She gets an A in politics, but she gets an F in achievement."....

Boxer, meanwhile, is one of the more liberal members of the Senate and voted three years ago against a war funding bill that did not include a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq. She is one of the key backers of the climate change legislation in Congress and has voted for almost every part of President Obama's agenda in Washington...

In 2007, in criticizing the Bush administration's policy on Iraq, she highlighted the fact that then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice didn't have children, drawing ire from conservatives.

"Who pays the price?" Boxer asked Rice at a hearing while discussing families who might send their children to war. "I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families."
You may have a title, but you don't have an entitlement.

183 comments:

HDHouse said...

and your point is what?

kent said...

a sharper, abler... ma'am is eager to undo all the hard work

Well, that's setting the limbo bar just about as low as it can possibly go, don't you think? Compared to Boxer, Vin Diesel would make "a sharper, abler ma'am." ;)

former law student said...

From BusinessWeek in 1999:

Carly Fiorina has a silver tongue and an iron will.

And an steel-reinforced bladder:

When the 44-year-old was considering the CEO post at Hewlett-Packard Co., she met board member Richard A. Hackborn for lunch at the Gaslight Club in Chicago's O'Hare airport. Hackborn, who had built HP's printer business into a gold mine in the 1980s, had decided to leave HP's board to devote his time to charity work. But over salads and ''what felt like 10 gallons'' of iced tea, Fiorina persuaded him not only to reconsider but also to step up as chairman.

Can she leverage her remarkable bladder capacity to the US Senate?

Hoosier Daddy said...

and your point is what?

That Boxer is an idiot. Pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a blithering fool.

GMay said...

I remember seeing that clip awhile ago. Sad thing is, the man to whom she was speaking has seen, managed, lead and achieved far more than this woman ever has or will.

Christy said...

I remember thinking at the time of that "Call me Senator" flap that Boxer didn't deserve the respect "Ma'am" denoted.

You're right, Althouse. This should be an interesting battle. I'm just hoping it is a delightfully interesting battle.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I really wish the General would have simply responded with 'Yes ma'am'.

What was she going to do? He doesn't answer to her.

GMay said...

So I click over to the linked article to see a Hewlitt-Packard ad on the sidebar.

C Black said...

I really, really wish Kaus would have won. Wow, that would not only be better politically and refreshingly necessary for the Democratic party, and California, (and the USA as a whole); But it would be positively surreal to have that much self-deprecating humility and humor in our political theater. (The Anti-Franken?) Ah, well... Am I wrong?

E.M. Davis said...

This is O/T, but I think the Althouse commentariat could have fun with the racist Hallmark card

Scott M said...
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Triangle Man said...

Had he been referring to male Senators as "Senator" or "Sir"?

chuck b. said...

To my mind, nothing illustrates the total lameness and absurdity of the California GOP. Look at the candidates GOP primary voters selected to run against her three times over the last 18 years. Ridiculous.

Fiorina is a hot mess but it will be interesting to follow this race in November.

Peter V. Bella said...

What do you mean she does not have entitlement? That is all the Democrat Party is about- entitlement. They are entitled to stay in office, they are entitled to say demeaning, dehumanizing, and insulting things, they are entitled to offer the whole world, including terrorists entitlements.

Of course she is entitled. What good is having a title if you cannot abuse entitlement?

chuck b. said...

"Look at the candidates GOP primary voters selected to run against her three times over the last 18 years. Ridiculous."

Yeah, right. Where are they now these fine, ambitious leaders for California? Ha.

AJ Lynch said...

Dems are using the tact that "Fiorina cut 15,000 jobs at HP".

Reps should counter that "The economic policies that Boxer supports have cost millions of jobs in California and the country".

TMink said...

EM, black holes does not equal black "ho's" now, does it!

What a parade of buffoons!

Thanks, that made my day.

Trey

Charlie said...

Hopefully this clip will run on an endless loop until November.

bagoh20 said...

Kaus is where the Dems should be in a nation like the United States. If they were, they would win nearly every race. I would go more conservative personally, but having the country run by people where he represents the left end would be a nation with few of our current problems. Such a nation would show the world the the unequaled benefits of a truly free nation as we used to do in past generations.

MadisonMan said...

Had he been referring to male Senators as "Senator" or "Sir"?

I would guess Sir, since he is military.

Re: the Hallmark card. I hear Black Hole, not Black Whore, when the card is played.

chuck b. said...

Whoops! Lameness, indeed.

Please make that "To my mind, nothing illustrates the total lameness and absurdity of the California GOP *better than Boxer's 3 terms in the Senate*."

C Black said...

@E.M.: Just. Wow. ... Are they really that uneducated and conspiratorially driven that they really think Hallmark Corp. would randomly throw in blatant hate-speech in a greeting card? And NO ONE at NAACP, California Knows what a Black Hole is ??? Amazing. Terrifyingly Sad. Goodnight America. Thanks teacher unions... Thanks Race-Baiters. Last one out, turn off the lights.

garage mahal said...

She gets an A in politics, but she gets an F in achievement."....

And your biggest achievement was running Lucent Tech and HP into the ground, laying off thousands, pushed through an idiotic 19 billion merger against the wishes of your stockholders, most notably Walter Hewitt himself, and walked with a 21million dollar severance. The day you were fired HP's stock rose 7 percent. Heckuva job Carly.

Scott M said...

To all of those who think Boxer will undoubtedly win, I would suggest a quick wiki search on a guy named Scott Brown.

A few years back, I didn't know anything about B.Boxer. Then I heard her on the Diane Reams show (NPR) during the Alito hearings. She had just made a comment about how dangerously right-wing this nominee was. A caller then asked that if Alito was right-wing, where she considered herself. She said she considered herself to Be Barbara Boxer.

So...she creates the playing field and uses that playing field to decry a political opponent. Then, when pressed, decides that she's too good for her own construction and elevates herself above the rest of us.

She's an elitist hack with far, far too long in office. T'ro da Ma'am out.

Speaking of which, for someone who proports to be a bleeding heart about the American military and their families, she doesn't understand anything about it if she thinks "ma'am" was somehow disrespectful. Then there's the hamfisted way she handled that hearing with the chairman of the Black Chamber Of Commerce.

Truly...she needs to go.

Lincolntf said...

I suppose that if it takes the Obama Presidency to drive out the corrupt and mendacious Legislators like Boxer, Reid, etc. who have sold our country down the river, then he might not be as disastrous and useless as he appears.

Keep up the good work, Wee-Wee.

gk1 said...

I had the delightful honor of voting for Kaus yesterday even though I knew it was a fruitless effort. I had to register as a democrat to do it, but it was worth it. Boxer is an awful, awful woman. Dumb as a post, yet it would not surprise me if Californians put her back in office. Go Fiorina!

Scott M said...

"I would guess Sir, since he is military."

Not necessarily. He was a staff officer of at least O-6 rank, if memory serves. Generals in the military are supposed to be referred to by subordinates as General, not sir or ma'am. Sir or ma'am will fly, but it's "supposed" to be General.

Either way, without watching the video, I'm willing to believe his responses were mixed with parts "Yes, sir" and "yes, Senator".

GMay said...

garage mahal, wide awake for his daily beatdown says: "A bunch of stuff about Fiorina's achievements in the private sector."

Wanna give us a quick rundown on the numbers Boxer has been putting up?

(Hint: they make Fiorina's look like pocket change in regards to both unemployment and bucks.)

Kirstin said...

I voted for DeVore. Fiorina acts miffed whenever someone challenges her positions or record. She's not much more likable than Boxer.

David said...

I see Garage has gotten the talking points memo.

Way to regurgitate, Garage.

SFC B said...

Scott M, the question was referring to what the general was calling the male senators on the panel.

And I always call commissioned officers of all ranks sir or ma'am.

Hoosier Daddy said...

And your biggest achievement was running Lucent Tech and HP into the ground, laying off thousands, pushed through an idiotic 19 billion merger against the wishes of your stockholders, most notably Walter Hewitt himself, and walked with a 21million dollar severance. The day you were fired HP's stock rose 7 percent.

Hmmm...almost sounds like how the Obama administration is going.

kent said...

I see Garage has gotten the talking points memo.

Fiorina isn't sufficiently "Bircher" for his tastes, is all. Not like his hero.

garage mahal said...

I see Garage has gotten the talking points memo.

I'm actually very familiar with HP. I've been selling it for 15 yrs.

HDHouse said...

Hoosier Daddy said...
"That Boxer is an idiot. Pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a blithering fool."

I see. a three term senator from the largest state...is she a blithering fool because she is from California or are you a blithering fool for thinking she is.

HDHouse said...

AJ Lynch said...
"Reps should counter that "The economic policies that Boxer supports have cost millions of jobs in California and the country".

but that would be a lie now wouldn't it AJ?...you know...not the truth..something false put out as fact...terms unfamiliar to you? sorry. ya'betcha.

MadisonMan said...

Wanna give us a quick rundown on the numbers Boxer has been putting up?

Interesting thought exercise: postulate how HP would be today if Boxer were running it.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I see. a three term senator from the largest state...is she a blithering fool because she is from California or are you a blithering fool for thinking she is.

No she's an idiot. You're the blithering fool for not seeing it.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Trust me, Babs, you don't want people calling you by the title you worked hardest to earn.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Interesting thought exercise: postulate how HP would be today if Boxer were running it.

Well if California is any indication, insolvent.

chr1 said...

We have Patty Murray potentially in trouble up in Washington state.

Fiorina's a bit like Murray's challenger, Dino Rossi. Fiscally conservative, lots of her/his own money, been clawing away for a while, not perhaps my first choice, but challenging the liberal orthodoxy nonetheless.

The liberal/democratic machine in Seattle has all the money and connections. I mean it's full of femi-nazis, gender theorists and Gaia loons for Christ's sake. They come here for fellow feeling.

GMay said...

"Interesting thought exercise: postulate how HP would be today if Boxer were running it."

Insolvent?

Re: California

Re: United States

Scott M said...

Interesting thought exercise: postulate how HP would be today if Boxer were running it.

She would be telling people over and over to call her CEO instead of Ma'am because she's earned it.

...sorry...had to...

Turtledove said...

CA needs to get away from the Democratic Party. Face it. Things are bad in CA. They need some new blood badly.

AJ Lynch said...

Hdhouse:

One example is the Community Reinvestment Act, a Dem innovation, that led to the housing bubble. California suffered greatly from that bubble.

Another is open borders. Illegal immigrants have overrun CA and over-taxed its healthcare and education systems.

As a result, productive, tax-paying Californians have left the state.

Would you like other examples?

MadisonMan said...

Fiorino should show how Law and Policies enacted by the Senate -- that Boxer supported -- helped and even persuaded her as a company CEO to do things harmful USA Employment, but helpful to the HP bottom line.

Note that I don't know that such policies exist, but I assume they do.

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GMay said...

HDH: "...but that would be a lie now wouldn't it AJ?"

Care to explain how it's a lie?

Or are you just going to spew bullshit and pull one of those standard lefty troll disappearing acts like you did on the second Helen Thomas thread below?

Original Mike said...

Fiorina should use some of her campign cash to buy Boxer's novel and send one to every household in California.

The Drill SGT said...

SFC B said...
Scott M, the question was referring to what the general was calling the male senators on the panel.

And I always call commissioned officers of all ranks sir or ma'am.


I suspect that it would depend on the circumstance.
- in the form where the General starts dialogue with: "Senator, our position on that topic is..."
- in response to a question, the response would certainly be, "Yes Sir", "No Sir"


On the other part of the SFC's point. Sergeants (and I was one once) using rank as a form of speech to an officer is a slight sign of disrespect. "Yes Sir" is a sign of respect. "Yes Captain" is not.

Generals on the other hand like to be called General :)

MadisonMan said...

My apologies for misspelling Fiorina's last name.

edutcher said...

Ms. Fiorina will have a better chance of winning if she gets rid of the McCain style consultants trying to run her campaign the way they did Sarah Palin.

Until her cancer treatment, she was upbeat and forthright in interviews. After it, she was as programmed as one of her PCs.

HDHouse said...

Hoosier Daddy said...
"That Boxer is an idiot. Pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a blithering fool."

I see. a three term senator from the largest state...is she a blithering fool because she is from California or are you a blithering fool for thinking she is.


Hoosier, it's an open fact Boxer has been right up there with Patty Murray in the competition for dimmest bulb in the US Senate for years. HD would be agreeing with you if there were an R after her name.

Paul Zrimsek said...

is she a blithering fool because she is from California

Let's just say, it doesn't help.

Old Dad said...

Garage, for once, has a point. Fiorina's tenure as CEO of HP will be campaign fodder, and it can reasonably be argued that she failed, or not. Sen. Boxer, though, should probably tread lightly because her career is ridiculously thin by comparison, and competence will be a theme this Nov.

Sen. Boxer graduated from Brooklyn College and was a stock broker briefly before marrying and raising a family. Her political rise was impressive, but her legislative achievements are modest. She wins because she's liberal and female.

Fiorina has degrees from Stanford, the University of Maryland, and MIT. She had a spectacular executive career at AT and T before taking the top job at HP. She exudes competence, and she's an outsider.

It will be a very tough campaign. The DNC will pull out all the stops, and fairly or not, many will see it as a referendum on the President anad the economy.

Fiorina is still a political rookie, but assuming no major gaffes and continued incompetence and failure in Washington, she'll be Senator Fiorina this fall.

GMay said...

"On the other part of the SFC's point. Sergeants (and I was one once) using rank as a form of speech to an officer is a slight sign of disrespect. "Yes Sir" is a sign of respect. "Yes Captain" is not."

This.

The general was probably more than happy to use the respect-neutral title after that nonsense. Nothing registers a subordinate's dissatisfaction with an officer's performance faster than referring to him/her by their rank.

Most generals/flags I've interacted with appreciate the acknowledgement of title at the beginnings and ends of conversation, but prefer sir/ma'am because conversation just gets cumbersome with constant use of titles.

If it were me I'd have peppered my responses with enough "senator" just enough for her to understand how petty and childish her request was.

Lincolntf said...

I can only hope that if Carly Fiorina ever accepts the traditional concession call from Boxer, she puts it on speaker-phone and tells Babs to call her "Senator".

Hoosier Daddy said...

Garage, for once, has a point.

Well you know the saying about a stopped clock.

Although in the case of hdhouse, it would be a digital clock with a dead battery.

HDHouse said...

AJ Lynch said...
"would you like other examples?"

NO AJ...just give us one that you can lay at her feet instead of Mr.Bush's feet.

The Drill SGT said...

Most generals/flags I've interacted with appreciate the acknowledgement of title at the beginnings and ends of conversation, but prefer sir/ma'am because conversation just gets cumbersome with constant use of titles.

as a humorous aside, I have on more than one occasion (as a civilian, though in a military setting) addressed a female officer with "Yes Sir". I apologized afterward, but both of us recognized that I was responding instinctively with respect....

Scott M said...

Honestly, Garage, I'm really interested in knowing. Why do you think this woman should remain a senator?

rick said...

The best thing about Boxer is that every time her mouth opens unscripted, she confirms her position the least intelligent senator. I should "least intelligent" is gender neutral position.

Dumber than a "boxer of rocks" maybe?

BTW....the recipients of Sarah Palin's(the left's favorite pinata) endorsements - kicked butt yesterday. A little Obama lingo there.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Fiorina is still a political rookie

The implication that being a rookie is some kind of drawback requires you to ignore the current approval ratings of the Congressional veterans.

Like Madison Man, I would like a clean sweep of everyone and a fresh start (you know, some real hope and change). Yes there will be some collateral damage of good pols but in the words of hdhouse's and garage's favorite philosopher, you sometimes have to break a few eggs.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Honestly, Garage, I'm really interested in knowing. Why do you think this woman should remain a senator?

Oh for Allah's sake, what kind of question is that to garage? SHE'S A DEMOCRAT!! That's almost like asking him what his favorite color is.

Paddy O said...

In contrast to Boxer's comments, I remember Dianne Feinstein's very nice remarks introducing Condoleeza Rice at her Senate nomination hearing.

I disagree with Feinstein on a lot of issues, but respect her. In fact, I think I even voted for her once or twice.

Barbara Boxer, on the other hand, really does need to go away.

Scott M said...

@Hoosier Daddy

I actually had typed out "other than the fact that she's a Democrat" but took it out to remove the snark factor. I'm honestly interested in hearing why, for instance, Boxer, an entrenched incumbent, would be better than say, Kraus?

Old Dad said...

Hoosier,

No doubt, the anti incumbent sentiment is real and powerful, so being a rookie and an outsider might have some political advantages. And I'm sure that Ms. Fiorina has some pretty sharp corporate political skills that should translate pretty well, but it takes more than that to get elected to a national office--ask Mitt Romney. The DNC will set every trap possible. If Fiorina steps in one, we'll see how successfully she extricates herself. That's all I'm saying.

Hoosier Daddy said...

If Fiorina steps in one, we'll see how successfully she extricates herself. That's all I'm saying.

Ah understood. In the same vein my view is that the electorate is somewhat schizophrenic. I think they want rookie politicians but then get turned off when they act like rookies.

Alex said...

Democrats should always be re-elected because they go after the rich pigs.

AJ Lynch said...

Hdhouse:

What is the drop dead expiration date for using "Blame Bush"? or perhaps Althouse could conduct a poll and ask her readers what the expiration date should be for Dems blaming Bush?

Alex said...

What is the drop dead expiration date for using "Blame Bush"?

Never. The legacy of his evil and incompetence will last to eternity.

garage mahal said...

Honestly, Garage, I'm really interested in knowing. Why do you think this woman should remain a senator?

Not up to me to decide. And I actually respected Kaus for getting out there and trying, even if I think he is a bit clownish. I was merely riffing off Fiorinas gobsmacking gall to call out someone else's achievements. I know some executives at HP, and there wasn't any at HP sorry to see her go.

miller said...

garage still can't get over the fact that his hero Pat Buchanan (the only conservative he loves, by his own admission) isn't on the ballot.

former law student said...

Interesting thought exercise: postulate how HP would be today if Boxer were running it.

We learned from Fiorina's own lips that neither John McCain nor Sarah Palin were capable of running HP. (Although they were fine to take on the simpler task of President of the US.) So what chance would Boxer have?

garage mahal said...

miller said...
I got nuthin, so I'll name call.

Original Mike said...

Garage, what is your favourite colour?

Blue.....no Yellloooooooooooooooooow!

miller said...

How did I 'name-call'? I simply alluded to your continuous support for Buchanan.

That's name-calling? You have a very elastic definition.

miller said...

Besides, I'm not the one who supports Buchanan. You are.

GMay said...

"You have a very elastic definition."

To understand leftist/progressive pilosophies one's entire dictionary must be elastic.

Re: terrorism, racism, fascism, hero, is...

kent said...

@miller: Buchanan

"Could you say 'Standartenf├╝hrer'? It's just a thing. I worked so hard to get that title."

Hoosier Daddy said...

I heard garage was excited when he learned Buchanan was leaving MSNBC to start his own sitcom. Yeah it was supposed to be called Third Reich From The Sun but financing fell through.

Try the veal, I'm here all week.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Honestly up until she stepped in the political scene I never heard of Carley Fiorina and then I assumed with a name like that she was some indy singer from Lilith Fair or Lalapalooza.

former law student said...

Carly was born Carleton Sneed, daughter of a (wait for it) Law Professor. (Dad later became an Appellate Judge on the 9th Circuit.)

Carly dropped out of UCLA Law School to become a secretary in a real estate office. She dumped her first husband, and later married a bigshot at ATT who took her under his wing.

HDHouse said...

AJ Lynch said...
"what the expiration date should be for Dems blaming Bush?"

If Bush and his ilk are responsible then it was their fault....or what? are you like Cheney quail hunting....ready, aim, miss a bird and shoot a friend?

This happened when Bush was president. Who do you want to assign responsibility to? George Washington?

Your ilk can't come to terms with that ...the responsibility issue that is...you just don't get it

caplight said...

Paul Zrimsek said...
"Trust me, Babs, you don't want people calling you by the title you worked hardest to earn."
6/9/10 9:45 AM
Now we bring together Babs and the Hallmark card because the title she has earned is...

Andrea said...

"Call me Senator"

There is no rule that you get to be called by your official titles in the United States, you power mad cow. You get called "Senator" as a courtesy, nothing more. And courtesy is not something you demand.

On another note, when I first read that garage had been selling HP products "for 15 years" I thought that meant he had been working in the computer department of Best Buy for fifteen years. I mean, he's not exactly a poster child for good salesmanship when it comes to anything he says here.

Pogo said...

I just want to call her former Senator Boxer.

I hope she can afford to live in California when she returns home. They're broke, as I understand it. Something about chronic Democrat Party overspending. But they plan to double down and spend spend spend and tax some more; and Boxer isn't exactly poor (net worth $1-5M), so she better hide some dough in a mattress or somethin'.

But it's all Greek to me.

Original Mike said...

I think Barbara "Call Me Senator" Boxer has a nice ring to it. That's how Fiorina should refer to her during the campaign.

former law student said...

Too bad Barney's Market Club in Chicago closed years ago. All the patrons were greeted with a hearty "Yes, sir, Senator!"

http://www.cardcow.com/229085/barneys-market-club-chicago-illinois/#img

Hoosier Daddy said...

This happened when Bush was president. Who do you want to assign responsibility to? George Washington?

In the real world you get to blame your predecessor for the screwups for about 3-4 months after which the employer expects you to fix it.

garage mahal said...

Garage, what is your favourite colour?

Blue.....no Yellloooooooooooooooooow!


?

rick said...

I heard a talk show caller...I think it was C-Span....who referenced the the "last ten years of the Bush administration". If it wasn't so ridiculous, it would be funny.

garage mahal said...
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garage mahal said...

blogger Hoosier Daddy said...

I heard garage was excited when he learned Buchanan was leaving MSNBC to start his own sitcom. Yeah it was supposed to be called Third Reich From The Sun but financing fell through.


But just upthread you said "Oh for Allah's sake, what kind of question is that to garage? SHE'S A DEMOCRAT!! That's almost like asking him what his favorite color is."

Buchanan is a Republican. Keep your smears straight now. And why do we always have to go back to the Third Reich, there are plenty of full blown racists here, right now. Aryn Nation, neo-confederates, militias, etc. How come you know never want to talk about them, they are on the rise since Obama was elected. Is it because they are associated with the far right wing? My guess is, yes.

GMay said...

"This happened when Bush was president. Who do you want to assign responsibility to? George Washington?

Your ilk can't come to terms with that ...the responsibility issue that is...you just don't get it"


HDH, are you an American citizen? The reason I ask is because if you aren't, then I can excuse you for not knowing shit about how the U.S. government works.

You clearly don't grasp the fact that the legislature is responsible for legislation that governs things like...oh, let's say the financial industry and the mortgage industry. So what I'm waiting for from ignorant fuckstains like yourself, is to cite for me the reams of legislation the legislature was proposing since the Democrats took control of it in 2006 to unfuck what they're all saying was fucked by Republicans.

Thennnnnn, I'd like to see your explanation of how it's the President who spends money when congress controls the budget. And the Democrats have controlled it since 2006.

Tell us just how it was Bush's fault. Have at it tiger! Go crazy!

John said...

Actually, Fiorina turned about to be right about the Compac merger. She was run out of her job for it. But in the end, she was right that HP needed to make better computers and merging with Compac was the way to do it. All of the "experts" at the time urged her to get HP out of the PC business and just make printers and cameras. She ignored them. And now HP makes a good computer again and she I think has been vindicated.

She is an interesting woman. It would be nice to have an intelligent conversation about her time at HP. Instead, we have house liberals HD HOuse and Garage doing their usual screaming monkey throwing shit act.

ricpic said...

Babs Boxer is more obnoxious than Barney Fwank. Think about that for a minute. She is an absolutely awesome yenta.

Original Mike said...

Hoosier Daddy said: "Oh for Allah's sake, what kind of question is that to garage? SHE'S A DEMOCRAT!! That's almost like asking him what his favorite color is."

John said...

"Buchanan is a Republican. Keep your smears straight now. And why do we always have to go back to the Third Reich, there are plenty of full blown racists here, right now. Aryn Nation, neo-confederates, militias, etc. How come you know never want to talk about them"

I know it is terrible Garage. We are always picking on your fellow socialists in Germany. We are mean that way I guess.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Buchanan is a Republican. Keep your smears straight now.

I'm not smearing you garage, your own posts, your own words were provided for all to see in which you claimed your admiration for Pat. Don't get the vapors with me because of it ;-) I was just funnin ya!

Aryn Nation, neo-confederates, militias, etc. How come you know never want to talk about them, they are on the rise since Obama was elected.

Probably because I haven't witnessed the rise. Do they rise like cakes in the oven? Or like pretend cakes in the Easy Bake oven that is the liberal mind? I mean I know we're supposed to be waiting for the white supremicist insurgency any day now but it seems the Feds are too busy tracking down and arresting jidhadists who, gosh darn it, keep trying to kill Americans.

Your serve skippy.

Original Mike said...

Or, maybe you're not fluent in Monty Python

GMay said...

"...there are plenty of full blown racists here, right now. Aryn Nation, neo-confederates, militias, etc. How come you know never want to talk about them, they are on the rise since Obama was elected. Is it because they are associated with the far right wing? My guess is, yes."

Wasn't that Michigan militia flap a registered Democrat thing? Wasn't the dude who flew the plane into the IRS building a commie? Isn't the longest serving U.S. Senator a Democrat and former KKK member? Don't the Aryan nation and notable leftists like Helen Thomas share the same love of Jews? Weren't those far lefties throwing things at the Speaker of the House yesterday? Isn't NAMBLA a supporter of Democrats? (Man I can do this all day)

Aren't you just a little tired of spouting far leftwing talking points with no real basis in fact? I mean shit, that old and busted far rightwing violence memo talking point is pretty stale, even for you.

kent said...

And why do we always have to go back to the Third Reich

garage [teary-eyed, on YouTube]: "LEAVE JOSEPH GOEBBELS ALONE -- !!!"

Blue@9 said...

Yeah, Fiorina didn't do the best job at HP, but HP wasn't really ready for someone like her. Plenty were just pissed because Fiorina wasn't an HPer, but was brought in from another company. Her Compaq merger was pilloried at the time, but I think more people now realize that it was the right move. It certainly vaulted HP into the market share spot it desperately needed.

Compared to Boxer, who is an outright buffoon, Fiorina is freakin' Einstein.

Blue@9 said...

And why do we always have to go back to the Third Reich, there are plenty of full blown racists here, right now. Aryn Nation, neo-confederates, militias, etc. How come you know never want to talk about them, they are on the rise since Obama was elected. Is it because they are associated with the far right wing? My guess is, yes.

Go ahead, talk about them. Mainstream conservatives have nothing in common with fascists and white supremacists. Moreover, those guys truly are the fringe and barely register as a real threat. What actual violence have they done in the past 30 years? Heck, most of these orgs probably have more FBI informants than actual members. So no, we're not particularly worried about them.

Michael said...

The neo-nazi are on the rise since the election of Obama, per Garage. We note that the homeless expand and are visible upon the election of a Republican and that racists are on the rise with the election of an African-American. Is there not one thing that cannot be known in advance about position of a liberal on any freaking topic at all?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Ok garage, here is my final word on the matter. I know you're a die hard liberal Democrat, I would never dispute that. Its well know. Its just that when you deigned to make a favorable reference and expressed admiration for a Republican and it wasn't Blanche Lincoln or Olympia Snow or some other GOP squishy but....Pat Buchanan!! I have to admit I was taken aback.

Ok I'm gonna chalk it up to post traumatic Hillary got-her-ass-kicked syndrome and just say you were...confused. Or maybe drunk. You gave me good advice on BBQ ribs once so I owe you the benefit of the doubt.

Hoosier out.

Original Mike said...

"We note that the homeless expand and are visible upon the election of a Republican"

LMAO. Michael, ever heard of James Taranto and his "Homelessness Rediscovery Watch"?

Michael said...

Original Mike: I think when I began to observe the pattern of spontaneous homelessness I also began to understand that while the MSM may be liberal they are also pretty stupid. And take the rest of us to be as well.

garage mahal said...

Ok I'm gonna chalk it up to post traumatic Hillary got-her-ass-kicked syndrome and just say you were...confused. Or maybe drunk. You gave me good advice on BBQ ribs once so I owe you the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, I would say one of those two. I remember enjoying Buchanan's commentary on the Dem primaries, beyond that, I suppose I guess I deserved some of the ass-kicking. Some. But fuck me.

Michael said...

We note again that the liberal end of the spectrum, those open minded defenders of the weak, despise a woman who has made an enormous success of herself. You note that she was once a lowly secretary, a concept to be sneered at, that people inside HP despised her (what a surprise, the underlings don't like the boss and think they are smarter than the boss, that her deal with Compaq was a farce. Liberals hate smart business women. Absolutely hate them.

AllenS said...

garage mahal said...

I'm actually very familiar with HP. I've been selling it for 15 yrs.

I'm not sure what to make of this statement. Do you work at one of the BP convenience stores?

garage mahal said...

HP Allen. Not BP.

Brent said...

And your biggest achievement was running Lucent Tech and HP into the ground, laying off thousands, pushed through an idiotic 19 billion merger against the wishes of your stockholders, most notably Walter Hewitt himself, and walked with a 21million dollar severance. The day you were fired HP's stock rose 7 percent. Heckuva job Carly.

Really? I truly wasn't aware of that.


I am going to vote for Carly for sure now!

My favorite part though, garage, is how you are trying to sound like you actually cares about stockholders.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


Nice try, though - thanks for the laugh!

AllenS said...

Sorry, garage, my mistake.

kent said...

Barbara Boxer: Decades of EPIC FAIL

In the immortal words of Instapundit: "Heh." ;)

SteveR said...

Ms. Fiorina is not correct. Senator Boxer has the achievement of making Alan Cranston look good.

She has succeeded, time to move on.

Matt said...

I love Boxer here. She'll easily beat Carly 'demon sheep' Fiorina.

kent said...

... and yet still more fail-flavored fruit drink for all you pouty-faced Dems out there to moodily sip at, today: Great news for Democrats: Senate candidate [Alvin Greene] facing obscenity-offense felony.

miller said...

We enjoy how you are a fanboy of Pat Buchanan. And we also enjoy that you somehow think it is a "smear" to quote your own words back to you.

Original Mike said...

" I remember enjoying Buchanan's commentary on the Dem primaries,"

Nothing wrong with that. The guy may have good political insights. Personlly, I don't know, because I don't listen to him. I firmly believe that MSNBC really does give him air time to give conservatives a bad name.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Ok guys lets cool it with garage. He's really ok and down deep inside there is good in him. Hey Darth Vader turned out good in the end and that's garage in a nutshell. He was corrupted by the Dark Side of the Force is all. Sooner or later he'll realize that Obama really is Emperor Palpatine and Washington DC truly is that wretched hive of scum and villany. He will metaphorically throw the Emperor down the shaft in the Death Star and turn to the Good side of the Force.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Then again I could be completely wrong and garage actually is the Dark Side of the Force.

Nah..that has to be hdhouse.

AC245 said...

I remember enjoying Buchanan's commentary on the Dem primaries

You didn't mention Buchanan's commentary on the Dem primaries. What you did mention was:

I thought Buchanan's joke about Washington D.C. being 'Israeli occupied territory' years ago friggin hilarious, with some truth behind it.

(Even Clinton abandoned his "I did not have anti-semitic relations with that man, Mr. Buchanan"-style protests once the blue dress was found, because he knew they just compounded his original offense with reminders of his basic dishonesty.)

Original Mike said...

I'm not being hard on garage. My comment was that there's nothing wrong with his statement: " I remember enjoying Buchanan's commentary on the Dem primaries," I just don't like his (or anyone else's) attempts to associate me (not personally, but as a group) with Buchanan because we are both "conservatives". That's crap.

kent said...

I remember enjoying Buchanan's commentary on the Dem primaries

"I thought Buchanan's joke about Washington D.C. being 'Israeli occupied territory' years ago friggin hilarious, with some truth behind it."

Garage says he "enjoyed" Buchanan's mad barkings, re: "Israeli-occupied territory."

In this instance, at least: I am fully prepared to take him at his word.

That's not a problem... is it?

AC245 said...

I just don't like his (or anyone else's) attempts to associate me (not personally, but as a group) with Buchanan because we are both "conservatives". That's crap.

To further Original Mike's point, way back on the original thread where garage posted his love letter to Buchanan, no fewer than three "conservatives" explicitly rejected Buchanan:

Methadras:
"It's always about the jews with you guys isn't it? "

vbspurs:
"Curiously, I find him disgusting, and stopped watching Fox News during his recent little sojourn.

As much as I deride Neo-Conservatives for their facile ideas of nation-building and cross-cultural expectations, I have nothing but contempt for the isolationist, anti-semitic Paleo-Conservatives like him.
"

Dogwood:
"Pat went off the deep end a long time ago. I used to be a fan about 20 years ago or so, but the above behavior/beliefs drove me away.

I haven't listened, watched or read Pat in years.
"

Their observations obviously didn't make much impression on garage, though, because he still popped up in this thread demanding that conservatives denounce Buchanan as the right's equivalent of Helen Thomas.

About half a dozen "conservatives" had no problem kicking Buchanan to the curb (DBQ, Trooper York, A.W., kent, Scott M, me ). But even after all of those, garage still wailed:
"So there is a racist conservative poser on tv every night and not one call from conservatives for him to be fired? Good one!"

Eventually, garage's PDS kicked in and he tried to blame Buchanan on Sarah Palin, which led me to do a quick check of the archives on "Palin Buchanan garage", which of course turned up garage's earlier declaration that Pat Buchanan was the only sane Republican of the past 8 years.

So far as I've seen, the only person on Althouse who has expressed admiration for Buchanan - and explicitly for his ZOG conspiracy theories - is garage mahal.

And garage mahal is also the one continually trying to push the propaganda line that it's conservatives who hold Buchanan's views.

His dishonesty deserves pushback.

kent said...

Eventually, garage's PDS kicked in and he tried to blame Buchanan on Sarah Palin

... and, further enlarging upon AC's point, here: it was at this juncture that garage then attempted to dishonestly smear Palin by implying, leadenly, that she was a John Birch supporter. Googling up the flimsy allegation in question, I promptly found the contemporaneous debunking of said hokum... on the left-wing site Politico, no less:

"The current, and then-, president of the group, John McManus, confirmed that the cover fit the description of a 1995 issue of the magazine.

[snip]

"McManus said Palin wouldn't have had to have any connection to the society, or the journal, to have wound up with that issue on her desk.

"'Any attempt to link her to the John Birch Society would be ridiculous,' he said of speculation on the liberal blogs that first noticed the magazine.

[snip]

"'We sent thousands of copies of that newsletter out to all kinds of people trying to forestall the constitutional convention,' McManus recalled. 'The plan at that time was for us to send copies of that newsletter to county commissioners, mayors, state legislators, local officials.'"


A second Google -- this time for "Pat Buchanan" + "John Birch" -- promptly provided concrete evidence that, unlike Palin, garage's "enjoyably" semitaphobic guy, Buchanan, WAS a proud supporter of the John Birch Society (!).

As AC so succinctly put it: "His dishonesty deserves pushback."

And then some.

garage mahal said...

wow, that's impressive AC245, that sleuthing must have taken you hours.

bravo.

kent said...

Follow-up to the Alvin Greene story posted earlier, on this thread:

SC Dems ask surprise Senate candidate to withdraw

Heh-heh-heh. ;)

Revenant said...

Boxer is to me what Nixon allegedly was to Pauline Kael: she keeps winning elections even though nobody I know ever votes for her.

Methadras said...

former law student said...

Can she leverage her remarkable bladder capacity to the US Senate?


This capacity alone would make her indispensable in Senate filibusters.

garage mahal said...

AC245/kent
I haven't changed my screen name in 5 yrs.

Do you have 5 yrs worth of archives of blogs you've commented on that I can google through. Fair is fair, no?

Revenant said...

Buchanan is a Republican.

And yet you like and admire him anyway. How bipartisan of you, garage mahal. :)

And why do we always have to go back to the Third Reich, there are plenty of full blown racists here, right now.

You, for example. In your own words, you like one of the most openly racist Republicans and consider him one of the only sane party members. Your hatred for the Israelis is, however, purely coincidental and not related to your support of the most famous Holocaust denier on MSNBC. And that's the story you're sticking with, I guess.

Revenant said...

Do you have 5 yrs worth of archives of blogs you've commented on that I can google through. Fair is fair, no?

"You only caught me because I didn't do a good enough job covering my tracks" really doesn't work as a defense, dude.

garage mahal said...

Well, I never said I hated Israelis for one thing, never said I even hated Israel. Never said I hated Jews. But, don't let me stop you.

kent said...

Do you have 5 yrs worth of archives of blogs you've commented on that I can google through.

Knock yourself out. (I imagine I'm far from the only "kent" commenting, online... but I am, so far as I know, the only "kent" on any board where I do or have posted.)

Here's a nice box lunch, to tide you over along the way. Wear clean underwear. Write if you get work. [::waves enthusiastically::]

Lincolntf said...

Oh please, Garage. You express admiration for Pat Buchanan, but the only thing you seem to like about him is that he's a foaming anti-semite.
So tell us what you think. Should Israel be allowed to exist? If an enemy force launches rockets at them, can they retaliate in kind? If a foreign nation vows to destroy Israel and then builds up the capability to do it, does Israel have the right to destroy that capability and/or that nation?

miller said...

garage, now you're just flailing.

You could say "Geez, I guess I was a jerk trying to paint everyone with a broad brush using the paint dripping off my own face."

But that's OK. We don't have to have you express yourself any more clearly than you did when you said you admired Buchanan.

Why is it smearing to quote your own words back to you?

As I said before, garage, meet petard.

garage mahal said...

kent
So you can't give out some sites you comment regularly at?

Eric said...

I really wish the General would have simply responded with 'Yes ma'am'.

What was she going to do? He doesn't answer to her.


The military can't afford to make an enemy out of Congress, from whence money flows. If he'd said that she would have demanded his head. And got it, too.

Methadras said...

AC245, don't worry about Garage Tubby McFat. He's a useless, putrid pile of leftard rabbit shit that is nothing more than an internet epileptic that flails us mercilessly with his moronic, idiot rantings. He hasn't formed a cohesive thought since 1980 and now we have to endure this buffoons blatherings as an affront on our collective visual cortex.

Hey Garage, when you spent more time thinking up idiocy to throw at us like a pissed off chimp at a zoo who is getting stared down by the humans, you really prove that you are a bitter clinger to your pitiful and bankrupt ideology. Frankly, you are one of it's most embarrassing adherents, you pathetic oaf.

Jim Howard said...

It's a given that Boxer is an idiot, elected by idiots.

The "ma'am" incident is the sound of cultures clashing.

In the military there are two ways to address an officer senior to oneself.

One way is to address them by their rank: 'Yes General Althouse, we did pull all the grass out of the sidewalk cracks'.

The other way is to address them as "sir" or "ma'am":

'Yes Ma'am, we did pull all the grass out of the sidewalk cracks'.

Normally one mixes both forms of address when speaking to a senior.

'Yes General Althouse, we did pull all the grass out of the sidewalk cracks...no Ma'am, nobody wore white socks'.

If, on the other hand, one does not have any personal respect for the senior then one might address them only by their rank, totally avoiding "sir" or "ma'am".

'Yes General Boxer we did pull all the grass out of the sidewalk cracks...no General Boxer, nobody wore white socks'.

To the military ear the strict use of the title only when addressing the senior is disrespectful.

But not as disrespectful as Boxer's rude behavior.

Methadras said...

garage mahal said...

kent
So you can't give out some sites you comment regularly at?


You know what you blubbering fat fuck, at this point you should just put up an avatar of the Palestinian flag to show your solidarity. At least Cedarford is honest in his anti-Semitic views, but you are the worst kind of anti-Semite. You harbor a secret love for it and then lie about it. Between you an AlphaLiberal, you make quite a liars brigade here on Althouse. That's right, you're a liar and I'm calling you out on that.

Revenant said...

Well, I never said I hated Israelis for one thing, never said I even hated Israel. Never said I hated Jews.

Interestingly, neither did Pat Buchanan. He never said he hated non-whites, either. Yet you recognized him as a racist anti-semite (not that it prevented you from admiring him).

It is almost as though one can recognize a person's hatred even if they never specifically admit to it.

garage mahal said...

Look, it's Angry Baby with another tantrum, er, post.

You are easily the most miserable, rotten to the core, soul-less, and obviously sexless pieces of human shit I've ever encountered. I can't find one redeeming quality about you. Almost everybody does, but not you. All you ever offer is just one vile excretion filled rant after the other. Get help man.

former law student said...

Liberals hate smart business women.

It's envy on my part. No one in upper management ever wanted to sleep with me.

kent said...

So you can't give out some sites you comment regularly at?

Your Google-Fu so limp and gasping that you need me to do so, garage?

You authoratatively claimed, only yesterday, to know all about "the moronic blogs [I] travel from," and what I post there. Assuming that all wasn't simply more of the same noisy, dishonest bonobo posturing and whatnot: you already have a wealth of near-criminally damning material with which to confront me, Van Helsing-style... right? Right.

I don't recall pathetically belly-crawling to you for help during my time at bat, after all.

[::shakes head, bemusedly::]

kent said...

It is almost as though one can recognize a person's hatred even if they never specifically admit to it.

[::soccer announcer voice::] "GOOOOOAAAAALLLLLLL -- !!!" ;)

miller said...

"It is almost as though one can recognize a person's hatred even if they never specifically admit to it. "

Revenant FTW

miller said...

...and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

garage mahal, admirer of Pat Buchanan.

Who knew?

kent said...

... and yet ANOTHER follow-up revelation breaking in the Dems' latest PR disaster, the Alvin Greene story:

Sen. Nominee [Alvin Greene] Was Kicked Out of Army

Heckuva job, SC Dem primary voters!!!

garage mahal said...

nterestingly, neither did Pat Buchanan. He never said he hated non-whites, either.

All I will say, is you do have a point. My comment about Buchanan is pretty indefensible in retrospect. But, really, I'm cool with the commenters here that matter to me, I'm cool with Trooper, and he asked me to stop, so I'm going to. I seem to remember a few pretty hellacious comments from you revenant, and if this is the new game at Althouse - to solely dig up old comments to throw back into people's face, so be it. You guys are constantly screaming you deserve the benefit of the doubt about not being called racists when you may happen to criticize groups of people, like black, mexicans, women, and so on, on what you genuinely believe to have nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or religious orientation. It's refreshing to know we're all on the same exact page now right?

And it should be interesting as explore and learn just who are all these new fresh Tea Party/Libertarian candidates, and some of their views they hold. Won't it. Rand Paul comes to mind right away.

miller said...

So close on admitting culpability.

All I know is the one who is loudest to flame is the one who has explicitly said he admires Pat Buchanan.

It doesn't get any more delicious than that.

kent said...

My comment about Buchanan is pretty indefensible in retrospect.

Fair enough, finally stated. Consider it dropped, then.

Trooper York said...

"former law student said...
Liberals hate smart business women.

It's envy on my part. No one in upper management ever wanted to sleep with me."

Well give Titus a call. I hear he is having Al Gore type problems with his Indian Hubby.

sonicfrog said...

I'm sure someone else has posted it, but I think this is an even more damaging clip for Ma'am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu-x9Bjq6QI&feature=player_embedded

Lincolntf said...

Poor Garage, you can't answer the questions that would separate you from Pat Buchanan's prejudices because to do so would be at odds with your ingrained Leftism.

Simple questions, really, but I'll make them simpler.
Does Israel have the right to exist?
Do you believe Jews are secretly manipulating financial institutions/conditions around the world?
Do you believe that the final solution for peace in the Mid-East will be the eradication of Israel?

dbp said...

garage mahal said...

..most notably Walter Hewitt himself

AND

I'm actually very familiar with HP. I've been selling it for 15 yrs.

How could you sell it for 15 years and not know what HP stands for? Hint:

Hewlett-Packard

Revenant said...

you guys are constantly screaming you deserve the benefit of the doubt

And you never, ever give it to us. That's what makes AC245's reminder of your support for Buchanan so deliciously sweet -- you're always the first person to sling phony accusations of racism and bigotry, and it turns out you're also just about the only poster here to have actually praised one of America's highest-profile white racists.

It's refreshing to know we're all on the same exact page now right?

You'd like to be, sure, but I'm afraid the only person you're on the exact same page with is Cedarford. :)

garage mahal said...

And you never, ever give it to us.

yea I did, all throughout the Dem primary for one thing, I trolled though those old threads in 2008. I was pretty perturbed about being called a racist just because I was for Hillary. recently I went to a tea Party here in Madison, and said on this blog I didn't see any racism at the rally whatsoever. I compared it to a fishing tournament atmosphere. I could have lied, right?

- you're always the first person to sling phony accusations of racism and bigotry,

I defy you to find examples in 5 yrs of posting here of charges of racism that I hurled to any Althouse commenters. It just isn't there. I've already conceded the point here on Buchanan. Would you be so honest?

garage mahal said...

You'd like to be, sure, but I'm afraid the only person you're on the exact same page with is Cedarford. :)

To clarify, there are all sorts of racism, just so we're clear that all forms are abhorrent. Agreed?

Lincolntf said...

Garage, you've conceded that you regret SAYING what you said, but do you still believe it?
I'm not being a prick for no reason, I want to know what someone who considers their self a mainstream Lib thinks about Israel.

Do they have a right to exist?
Are they secretly manipulating international finances?
Do they have the right to destroy the nations seeking to destroy their nation?

GMay said...

Lincoln,

Considering garage's comment about the U.S. congress being Israeli-occupied territory, I'd also like to see him expand on that.

AC245 said...

I haven't changed my screen name in 5 yrs.

Are you the same commenter as the "Garage Mahal" in this thread from about 3.5 years ago (the earliest comment by that name that Google turned up)?

If so, I notice your very first comment here was removed by Althouse because you were spamming talking points from another blog. I also notice that that account you used then is not the same one that you're currently posting with.

If that's not you, then the earliest post by you on your current account here at Althouse looks to be from late September, 2007 - closer to 2.5 years ago than 5.

Do you have 5 yrs worth of archives of blogs you've commented on that I can google through. Fair is fair, no?

Here's my comment history at Althouse: search all you like. Since I've never made any comments admiring an anti-semite and his anti-semitic point of view, I think you'll be disappointed.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that you could search the comments of any of the other "conservatives" here and you still wouldn't find any who shower praise on anti-semites for their anti-semitic jokes and conspiracy theories.

You'll let us know how those searches turn out, right?

AC245 said...

I defy you to find examples in 5 yrs of posting here of charges of racism that I hurled to any Althouse commenters. It just isn't there.

We don't even have to go back 5 days, let alone 5 years:

"garage mahal said...
So there is a racist conservative poser on tv every night and not one call from conservatives for him to be fired? Good one!
6/7/10 3:47 PM
"

" Usually real anti-semites also hate blacks, gays, and mexicans, too. Now if I was a real anti-semite, I wouldn't have offered to buy a piece of crap sketch from you because I felt sorry for you, after you came begging for money in a thread. And why do I find I'm one of the few sticking up for blacks and mexicans on this blog? Hmmm....

So you fail fokker, and no sale!
6/8/10 10:34 PM
"

" Hahahaha. Nothing says fascist quite like demanding a pledge of 100% absolute allegiance to a foreign country, or be called a racist traitor. Racism against an American President in this country? Doesn't exist!

I read in these threads all the time that there is really no racism in America anymore. When it comes to their tribe, that is. Thomas is a wingnut scalp, nothing more.
6/7/10 3:54 PM
"

Casting the net a bit further back:

"garage mahal said...
The more one whines about not being a racist in all likely hood makes them more of a racist, in my opinion.
5/20/10 7:01 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
Your paperz please. Vhere are your paperz!
4/23/10 5:15 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
Old Spin: There are really no racist signs.
New Spin: Plants!
4/14/10 11:06 AM
"

"garage mahal said...
Old Spin: They were provoked!
New Spin: It didn't happen!
4/13/10 11:03 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
A.W. and Balfegor creaming this thread.
4/8/10 11:03 AM
"

"garage mahal said...
Disagree. Geraldine Ferraro proves there is no racism in America! Especially coming from conservatives, because Ferraro is a Democrat.
3/30/10 1:10 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
'The Congressional Black Caucus knows how to play at this war, which is why they pulled that particular stunt last Saturday.'

That's not saying much about the people they were simply walking by if they knew they would entice racial taunts.
3/24/10 5:48 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
Besides spitting, homophobic and racist taunts, death threats, brick throwing through windows, and severing gas lines, they just ordinary concerned citizens!
3/24/10 2:31 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
And you wonder why blacks and hispanics have all but abandoned the GOP.
2/24/10 12:58 PM
"

"garage mahal said...
All blacks and hispanics are just looking for free ponies? That's seems to be the answer they get from conservatives.
2/24/10 1:14 PM
"

And here's the comment - from the Buchananophile who projected his love of that anti-semite onto "conservatives" - which made me realize that further searching was unnecessary:

"garage mahal said...
'Better hope you're not on their political bad sides, or you're going to the boneyard!'

Better us than bitter and miserable fucksticks like you that call for spilled blood over health care bill votes. Or your racist asshole teabagger bretheren that call people n*ggers and spit on them on their way to a vote. Real darlings, you all. In truth, people like you would love nothing more than putting your boot on someones neck. That's why you always think someone else is trying to do it to you.
3/21/10 10:41 PM
"

(Links, context, and more examples can be found in garage's comment history.)

GMay said...

AC245,

I'll admit to not digging through your research too thoroughly, but I didn't see any direct accusations of racism by GM toward any Althouse commenters which, in all fairness, is what he was saying.

Obviously he does it indirectly all the time, as evidenced by the quotes you dug up, but he appears to be technically correct about direct accusations.

Michael McNeil said...

So there is a racist conservative poser on tv every night and not one call from conservatives for him to be fired?

James Taranto, The Best of the Web Today, June 8, 2010:

Among her many honors, Helen Thomas, who “retired” yesterday as a columnist for Hearst Newspapers, in 2000 received the Helen Thomas Award for Lifetime Achievement from the Society of Professional Journalists. […]

We've been calling Thomas “American journalism's crazy old aunt in the attic” for years, and the events of the past few days should have laid to rest any question of which description is more accurate, ours or the SPJ's. […]

The really appalling thing about [Kevin] Smith's [SPJ national president] interview with [David] Weigel [of the Washington Post] is this line: “On the other hand, if you were Jewish and given this award, would you go up and accept it?” How about if you were a decent human being? (There are at least a few among the ranks of professional journalists — trust us.) The notion that only Jews would take exception to Thomas's call for ethnic cleansing — or to the SPJ's crediting her with “dogged pursuit of the truth” — is obtuse, to say the least.

Nine journalists other than Helen Thomas have accepted the Helen Thomas Award, perhaps because they were unfamiliar with her work. Now, though, no one has such an excuse — which means that if the SPJ decides to keep the award going, it may have trouble finding someone willing to collect it. But we can help:

The obvious choice for this year's honor is Patrick Buchanan, a syndicated columnist and commentator for MSNBC and “The McLaughlin Group,” who has a long history of practicing journalism in the spirit of Helen Thomas. And he's definitely not Jewish!

(endquote)

AC245 said...

I didn't see any direct accusations of racism by GM toward any Althouse commenters which, in all fairness, is what he was saying.

Gmay, in all fairness, I quoted exactly "what he was saying":

I defy you to find examples in 5 yrs of posting here of charges of racism that I hurled to any Althouse commenters. It just isn't there.

In additional to his constant scattershot innuendo and accusations, the last item I listed in my previous comment is pretty direct:

"your racist asshole teabagger bretheren that call people n*ggers and spit on them on their way to a vote. Real darlings, you all."

Barring the thin reed of a defense that only a direct declaration calling out a specific person by name (e.g. "I am calling you, GMay, a racist!") counts, I don't see how you dismiss "you all and your racist brethren call people n*ggers" as not being an accusation of racism against other commenters in that thread.

GMay said...

Fair enough AC. I should have paid closer attention. My apologies.

Garage, what say you?

garage mahal said...

AC
That comment you have issue with was directed at Palladian. That don't count.

GMay said...

garage mahal originally said: "all"

Then garage mahal said:

"That comment you have issue with was directed at Palladian.

Swing and a miss, strike three, an that's the ballgame folks.

Seriously GM, you've had a bad couple of days. Earlier you admitted to making an indefensible remark, which leads me to believe there's actually hope for you.

Take some time off. Gather your thoughts. Turn off the computer. Go shopping. Come back in a few days, refreshed, with a full tummy ready to do battle.

GMay said...
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GMay said...

Ok, I'm not going to edit the last sentence of my previous post because it's just too damn funny to read in all its shitty construction.

It's getting funnier and funnier, which means I need to get to sleep.

kent said...

Have I only recently awakened in some odd, off-kilter "Mirror, Morror"-style alternate universe, where Spock is evil, Uhura has a beard, and Titus is dead butch... or are my fairly recent memories, re: a general dropping-it-all-now-for-the-good-of-the-board armistice trustworthy and reliable ones, overall?

C'mon, people. The offending party made his public act of contrition, already. Don't make me break out the laudanum. ;)

kent said...

Have I only recently awakened in some odd, off-kilter "Mirror, Mirror"-style alternate universe, where Spock is evil, Uhura has a beard, and Titus is dead butch... or are my fairly recent memories, re: a general dropping-it-all-now-for-the-good-of-the-board armistice trustworthy and reliable ones, overall?

C'mon, people. The offending party made his public act of contrition, already. Don't make me break out the laudanum. ;)

Fen said...

Jew-hater Garage Mahal.

Time to change your name again, bitch.

Revenant said...

but I didn't see any direct accusations of racism by GM toward any Althouse commenters which, in all fairness, is what he was saying.

Keep in mind that garage was moving the goalposts. I said:

you're always the first person to sling phony accusations of racism and bigotry

garage then replied with:

I defy you to find examples in 5 yrs of posting here of charges of racism that I hurled to any Althouse commenters

See the distinction? Now he's saying "all those phony accusations I threw at people who don't comment here don't count". Well yes, they absolutely DO count towards my accusation.

Anyway, AC245 has already demolished garage's position here, so I see I needn't stir myself to Google. :)

Original Mike said...

It was more fun talking about Barbara "Call me Senator" Boxer.

GMay said...

"See the distinction?"

OK!! I got it I got it! Can you blame me for not following garage and anything about him too closely? I'm still hanging my head in shame.

former law student said...

Everyone on this thread who has criticized the haimish Barbara Boxer is an anti-Semite, no doubt relishing her replacement in the Senate with a shiksa.

kent said...

Virulently anti-Semitic responses to the damning and notorious Helen Thomas video.

For Thomas and her supporters, it's not about Jews... honest. Only about Israel. They like Jews. Really.

Well... the dead ones, anyway.

Methadras said...

garage mahal said...

Look, it's Angry Baby with another tantrum, er, post.

You are easily the most miserable, rotten to the core, soul-less, and obviously sexless pieces of human shit I've ever encountered. I can't find one redeeming quality about you. Almost everybody does, but not you. All you ever offer is just one vile excretion filled rant after the other. Get help man.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, I needed that, I really did. Gratitude for providing me with the extra kick of somber comedy that you provide. Hehehehe!!!

Methadras said...

former law student said...

It's envy on my part. No one in upper management ever wanted to sleep with me.


Could it be that you aren't attractive to men?