January 14, 2010

Scott Brown: "I was a jerk."

Last November, Brown was asked if he'd ever been arrested:
“My mom was on welfare a little bit, and, you know, I lived with my grandparents, I lived with my aunt, whatever. I was a jerk. I had some issues. You know, I was lost. . . . Mom was always working. . . . There was some violence in there where I would be sticking up for my mom and sisters. . . . I may get a little emotional. . . . And one day I was out with some older kids. . . . We were in Salem. . . . I had a pair of farmer overalls, and I stuck some records in them. . . . I was walking out, and a guy caught me.

“And so I was arrested and went over to Salem District Court, and Judge [Samuel] Zoll . . . gets me in his chambers, and he says: ‘So, tell me about yourself. I see you like music.’ I said, ‘Yeah, I love music. I like Zeppelin and Black Sabbath and Grand Funk, all that stuff.’ He says, ‘What else do you do?’ And I said, ‘I play . . . basketball, and I like to run.’ He said, ‘How good are you?’ And I said, ‘Well, I score about 30 or 40 points a game.’ He says, ‘Do you have any brothers or sisters?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, a half-brother and some half-sisters,’ and he says, ‘Wow, that’s great. . . . Do they look up to you?’ And I said, ‘Absolutely.’ He said, ‘That’s fantastic.’ . . . He . . . looks me right in the eye [and says], ‘How do you think they’d like to see you play basketball in jail?’ ’’

“I was, like, ‘Whoaaa.’ . . . He says, ‘I want you to write me a 1,500-word essay on that very topic, and I want it next week.’ That was the last time I ever stole, the last time I ever thought about stealing. . . . The other day I was at Staples, and something was in my cart that I didn’t pay for. I had to bring it back because . . . I thought of Judge Zoll.’’

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Dan from Madison said...

It is too bad that judges are not allowed to dispense common sense justice any more. I also miss those "well, you can go to jail, or join the army, son" types of stories.

Freeman Hunt said...

The positive power of a judge. That's a great story.

Florida said...

And then on the other hand, we have Martha "I didn't see anybody push anybody" Coakley - nicely framed in a 3x5 print looking directly at her thug assaulting a reporter.

My prediction still stands: Massachusettes scumbags will put Martha Crookley in office and this find upstanding young man will not find more than 35% of the vote.

Beth said...

Gosh, he's dreamy.

Coakley should have given John Geoghan a chance to shape up and be a really good example to the altar boys. And she'd have a heart-warming story to tell!

The Crack Emcee said...

Right on. I'm still not sold on this Brown guy - that health care comment still bothers me - but I'm with him to stop Obama.

Beth said...

There was some violence in there where I would be sticking up for my mom and sisters. . . .

How artful, and self-deprecating, just a little aside pointing out his heroism. Oh, just protecting the wimmin folk. Swoon!

vbspurs said...

As a conservative law-and-order person, it may look as if I deride the liberal spirit which thrives in places like Massachussetts and Vermont.

That's not true.

When I think of open mindedness and tolerance, it's this Yankee judge that I have in mind.

MItch said...

Imagine how Althouse would mock this story if it was Obama instead of Brown.

But a "handsome" conservative white guy can get away with anything on this blog.

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Pogo said...

Well, his story about standing up for his mom and sisters is either true or it's not. That was last November, plenty of time for it to have been investigated.

Meanwhile, Coakley prosecuted innocent people for child sexual abuse under the bogus 'recovered memories' scam. Plus, she has hired thugs throwing reporters around like rag dolls for 'stalking'.

But I have no doubt Coakley and the Massachusettes will scrounge up enough found ballots to win by a margin of 2 or 3 Franken units*.

*(1 Franken = one trunkful of ballots= 250 votes).

Freeman Hunt said...

Beth, can you imagine some of the things people said about his mom and sisters?

Matt Eckert said...

Wow. They must really be scared if a normally reasonable liberal like Beth is acting like that.

rocketeer67 said...

Just so you know, Beth, to those of us outside New Orleans pederasty is considered significantly more reprehensible than shoplifting.

Lem said...

Imagine how Althouse would mock this story if it was Obama instead of Brown.

I dont remember Althouse "mocking" Obama over his pot smoking.

John said...

"Coakley should have given John Geoghan a chance to shape up and be a really good example to the altar boys. And she'd have a heart-warming story to tell!"

Actually Beth Coakley did. She let Geoghan off with probation in 1995 via a sleazy deal with the Arch Diocese.

"When Martha Coakley was the Middlesex district attorney, her office prosecuted the Rev. John J. Geoghan based on an allegation that he squeezed the buttocks of a 10-year-old boy a single time at a public swimming pool. The highly publicized 2002 conviction won Coakley widespread praise for bringing the first successful criminal case against the widely accused pedophile, a priest many had called “Father Jack.’’

But seven years earlier, Coakley, then the head of the Middlesex child abuse unit, had Geoghan in her sights and took a dramatically different approach. Back then, three grade-school brothers told investigators that Geoghan had inappropriately touched them during numerous visits to their Waltham home, and had made lewd telephone calls to them. Rather than prosecute, Coakley agreed to grant Geoghan a year of probation in a closed-door proceeding that received no media attention at all.

Because of the deal, Geoghan faced no formal charges and no criminal record.

In sanctioning the 1995 probation agreement, Coakley, now the front-runner in a special election for the United States Senate, never pressed the Boston Archdiocese for any prior complaints against Geoghan. It’s not clear that the archdiocese would have readily obliged, but it was holding in its files thousands of pages of documents detailing abuse complaints against Geoghan made by dozens of victims dating back to the 1960s."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/11/23/coakley_details_her_role_in_1995_probation_deal_for_geoghan/

Coakley was a horrible prosecutor. She argued for the continued imprisonment of the Gerald Amiralt even though it was obvious he was innocent. She also argued as AG that forensic experts should not have to be subject to cross examination in open court. All the while looking the other way on pedophile priests.

No liberal should in good conscience support her, unless of course you are just a Dem hack.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Wow. They must really be scared if a normally reasonable liberal like Beth is acting like that.

Well perhaps if Brown got shitfaced, drove his car in the river and left some broad to drown to save his own ass then he'd be ok.

Matt Eckert said...

Let's be fair.

If Brown were gay and had a prostitution ring working out of his House office then liberals would be ok with that. (see Frank, Barney).

But breeders like Brown and Palin must be stopped at all costs.

John said...

I can't believe that liberals are citing Coakley's prosecution of Geohgan as a good thing. Do they think people are so dumb that they have forgotten that she let him walk five years before and molest merrily on?

Paul said...

'Well perhaps if Brown got shitfaced, drove his car in the river and left some broad to drown to save his own ass then he'd be ok."

Hell, not just OK. He'd be lionized!

And if this Beth person is the standard for a reasonable liberal then the bar is set so low as to render the word reasonable meaningless.

John said...

And Coadley's abysmal record on civil liberties shows you how much liberals really care about the issue. Coakley was an out of control prosecutor who used junk science to frame people. But, there is nothing to see here. Move along.

Matt Eckert said...

What I wonder is why isn’t Beth pissed at Obama because he couldn’t stop that earthquake in Haiti.

I mean she never stopped complaining that Bush couldn’t stop the hurricane in NOLA!

I guess only Republicans have control of the super secret weather machine.

peter hoh said...

A youthful indiscretion that actually happened in one's youth?

After seeing that card played for things that happened in one's thirties, I'm glad to see it being used correctly.

Methadras said...

Nice story. I'm still not assured he won't pull a 180. They almost inevitably do.

Hoosier Daddy said...

just a little aside pointing out his heroism. Oh, just protecting the wimmin folk. Swoon!

Actually Beth when I was in 7th grade I beat the living shit (literally) out of an 8th grader who told me that my mom was a c***sucker so I can relate to Brown's story. Maybe its a guy thing that you just don't get.

John said...

Interesting Beth showed up to make a couple of snarky comments and than ran off. Morty did the same on the other thread. Coakley is so bad even they can't defend her.

vbspurs said...

Matt E wrote:

I guess only Republicans have control of the super secret weather machine.

The hell you say! Hugo Chavez personally went up a plane to access the secret weather machine.

"I'm going in a plane. Any cloud that crosses me, I'll zap it so that it rains".

Lem said...

Scott Ritter - Scott Brown "I was a jerk."

I was, like, ‘Whoaaa.’

Beam me up scotty

John Stodder said...

Imagine how Althouse would mock this story if it was Obama instead of Brown.

But a "handsome" conservative white guy can get away with anything on this blog.


That's a cheap, unfair and utterly false shot. Either you don't read this blog, or you're a liar.

As someone else pointed out, Obama admitted to many such indiscretions in his own books. Althouse never mocked him for those.

There is much mockery on this site of the things politicians do while in office. I realize that can sometimes be uncomfortable for blind loyalists like yourself, but in fact the mockery is spread around to both parties here.

Widmerpool said...

For those of you outside of Mass who want to get some insight into the real Martha Coakely, you should read about the Fells Acres case. Start with the first of Dorothy Rabionwitz's WSJ pieces (
here
)

Coakley vigorously supported these prosecutions when she was Middlesex DA. For that reason alone, I would never vote for her for anything.

AprilApple said...

Ah - the political double standard.
Democrats can do whatever they want and have endless skeletons in the closet and it all gets swept under the rug and forgiven.

Republicans are not allowed any skeletons.


A democrat can commit vehicular manslaughter and be rewarded with a senate seat for life.

A democrat caught with hookers might lose face for a moment in time, but soon that democrat will
be allowed salvation through political rehabilitation.

Scott Brown owns a Time Share - that should equal disqualification.
John Kerry owns millions upon millions of dollars worth of real estate based on his marital wind-fall. No problem!

Republicans are unforgivable groveling peasants.
Democrats are elites who never have to answer for their indiscretions and mistakes.
See page 23 in fine print.

Meade said...

Beth said...
There was some violence in there where I would be sticking up for my mom and sisters. . . .

How artful, and self-deprecating, just a little aside pointing out his heroism. Oh, just protecting the wimmin folk. Swoon!


Ted Kennedy: Dreamy. Artful. Self-deprecating. Heroic. Oh, just protecting the wimmin folk. Sw[im]!

vbspurs said...

If Brown were gay and had a prostitution ring working out of his House office then liberals would be ok with that. (see Frank, Barney).

At the risk of Oafing this thread, let me inject Palin into it by saying that these imaginary scenarios also work with her.

If Palin had done two years with the Peace Corps in some African hellhole like Malawi, or backpacked to Macchu Picchu and been raped in the Train of Death in Bolivia, and not rushed back to push out babies and ruin her carbon credits balance, the libs would have griped less about her.

John said...

Victoria,

If Palin had just gone to the right school and had the good taste to murder her retarded child, liberals would have probably liked her.

Hoosier Daddy said...

and not rushed back to push out babies and ruin her carbon credits balance,

Jesus. Between you and Freeman on the other thread I'm getting an ab workout just laughing.

vbspurs said...

Didn't work out for Dubya, John. :)

(Yale/Harvard, and allegedly paid for his girlfriend's abortion)

John said...

"Didn't work out for Dubya, John. :)"

Dubya was actually tolerated by liberals before he became President. He was a "compassionate conservative" after all. It was only after he became President and liberals went insane over Florida and 9-11 that he became such a figure of scorn.

garage mahal said...

If Palin had just gone to the right school and had the good taste to murder her retarded child, liberals would have probably liked her.

IF, that's her child. Which we really don't know because SHE WON'T RELEASE HER HOSPITAL RECORDS.

knox said...

I mean she never stopped complaining that Bush couldn’t stop the hurricane in NOLA!

Patently untrue. Ridiculous to anyone who reads this blog, or did when Katrina happened.

Beth is one of the good guys. We all post something crummy every now and then. I've done it just in the last 24 hrs.

vbspurs said...

LOL!

knox said...

IF, that's her child. Which we really don't know because SHE WON'T RELEASE HER HOSPITAL RECORDS.


garage, back off, you're violating LoafingOaf's copyright.

Matt Eckert said...

You are right knox. I apologize.

I guess you guys are just having your periods today.

We can just let this slide.

AprilApple said...

Ah -- there's that political double standard again.
Palin MUST release her private medical records - because leftists insist.

Obama, a smoker, (or former smoker) who is actually President, is not required to release his medical records. And somehow Obama doesn't have to release his educational records either.

See how that works?

Matt Eckert said...

You just have to wonder when even Meade piles on.

Then you know you really stepped in it.

John said...

April,

I think Garage was actually being funny there. It was pretty good trolling. No one, not even garage, believes the crazy stuff that comes out of Andrew Sullivan's AIDs addled brain.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Obama, a smoker

I wonder if he's a Kools or Newport guy?

Hoosier Daddy said...

I guess you guys are just having your periods today.

You know I always wondered if all the babes who regularly posted here would synchronize their monthly oil changes. You know like they do in dorms.

Paul said...

"I think Garage was actually being funny there."

Ho ho.

Liberal humor reaches the same lofty heights as liberal reasonableness apparently.

Matt Eckert said...

It would help if they hoisted a red flag or something.

Defenseman Emeritus said...

I wonder if he's a Kools or Newport guy?

Not masculine enough. I'm betting on Virginia Slims.

Matt Eckert said...

We know that he doesn't want to have anything to do with "American Spirit."

LonewackoDotCom said...

The reader is invited to compare my very limited coverage of Brown to Althouse's coverage.

While she's concentrated on the personal and the trivial, I tried (and failed) to get the campaign to clarify his position on a very important issue.

They never responded to my email or tweets. However, I'll bet if Althouse had requested that information she would have had better luck. So, why didn't she? Why don't any of the other major bloggers do things like that? Odd, very very odd.

knox said...

I guess you guys are just having your periods today.

oh no you di-int

garage mahal said...

Liberal humor reaches the same lofty heights as liberal reasonableness apparently.

Oh we're reasonable. We put up with you guys don't we?

EDH said...

Okay, a confession.

I'm a couple years younger than Brown. I grew-up in the same Massachusetts town as his wife, who’s a year younger than me; we went to different junior high schools, so she had no association with this or me for that matter.

In junior high we boosted a few of the same albums as Scott Brown, but I came up with a different technique.

When our crew stole albums, we did it this way. Many department store chains used to put a staple holding the price tag through the corner of the album jacket. The staple wouldn't hurt the vinyl because the round record didn't reach all the way into the square corners of the album jacket. But the staple would hold the square paper record sleeve containing the album inside the cardboard jacket, so you couldn't pull the sleeve or the album out of the jacket until you removed the staple.

So, my idea was to buy the album, slice the plastic wrap just along the jacket opening, straighten the staple, pull the staple out, release the sleeve, pull the sleeve and record out of the jacket, replace the vinyl inside the sleeve with some old record like "Mitch Miller Chorus Sings Christmas," replace the album inside the sleeve and the sleeve inside the jacket, replace the staple and price tag, and bend the staple back in place.

And keep the vinyl Zeppelin or Sabbath album.

Then one of us would return the replaced record and cover for a refund, but the staple prevented customer service rep from inspecting the album inside to make sure it matched the album cover.

We did this once or twice more as a scam for kicks than out of poverty. And it really wasn't safe to try more than once at the same store.

We were never caught.

There, I admitted it.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Oh we're reasonable. We put up with you guys don't we?

What's your alternative garage? Concentration camps?

Hoosier Daddy said...

oh no you di-int

knox now tell us you did that with the head wave. Cause that really completes the image :-)

EDH said...

I was a jerk, from a good home, so I have no excuse.

Matt Eckert said...

Once when we went camping in upstate New York we were broke. So we went into Peck's supermarket in Narrowsburg and tried to steal dinner. My friend stuck a London Broil down the front of his pants. But the plastic broke and blood started to leak out of his pants.

He tried to tell the check out girl that he was having his period.

She didn't believe him.

Just goes to show you that having your period is not a good excuse all the time.

Paul said...

"Oh we're reasonable. We put up with you guys don't we?"

Ah you finally did say something funny.

You see I have to hide my politics around you reasonable liberals lest I want to see my gainful employment, already lessened under the pall of Obamanomics, reduced even further.

Because you are so reasonable.

And tolerant.

garage mahal said...

What's your alternative garage? Concentration camps?

I thought FEMA trailers, but let me check with Soros or Axelrod and get back with you.

Cedarford said...

Hoosier Daddy said...
Obama, a smoker

I wonder if he's a Kools or Newport guy?


With "stinky" Obama, it's complicated. His white lung craves Marlboro, while his black lung wants the Kools.

Charlie said...

I wish I still lived in Mass so I could vote for him. Hey, I wonder if I'm still registered there?

MadisonMan said...

The other day I was at Staples, and something was in my cart that I didn’t pay for. I had to bring it back because . . . I thought of Judge Zoll.

This ending of the story struck me as odd. How do things that you haven't paid for just end up in your cart? He'd have done better to not mention this part.

AJ Lynch said...

Knox:

LOL. good one!

wv=butso

Hoosier Daddy said...

With "stinky" Obama, it's complicated. His white lung craves Marlboro, while his black lung wants the Kools.

I don't know Cedar, Marlboros are pretty tough. I'm guessing Winstons. No wait, Vantage.

AJ Lynch said...

Garage:

I will broker a trade with you.

You get me John Kerry's military records and Obama's college transcripts and I will get you Palin's hospital records.

Deal?

bagoh20 said...

Sounds like a normal kid's story. If as a boy you never stole anything or punched anybody, then you were a girl and an uninspired one.

Matt Eckert said...

I vote that he prefers salami smoking.

That's why he has to keep it on the down low.

It's none of our business anyway.

WV: vabble- the sounds vaginas make that you can't quite understand.

Hoosier Daddy said...

How do things that you haven't paid for just end up in your cart?

A couple years after I was married, Mrs. Hoosier and I were at the store and when she wasn't paying attention I tossed in box a Trojans and two tubes of KY. I then told her I was going to go outside to the car for a smoke and listen to the radio.

When she came out I'm pretty sure half the parking lot heard me being called a sonofabitch by a crazy woman.

MadisonMan said...

Yes, I can see that happening, Hoosier Daddy. I sometimes have to resist the urge to slip things into other peoples' carts at the store.

Still, the tacked-on story at the end of an otherwise pretty nice explanation smacks of something added just to give verisimilitude. And that makes me question the whole story, which is why I say he shouldn't have added it.

I'm left thinking that he was arrested for theft, but that the rest of the story is more fiction than not.

I'm way too cynical and suspicious.

PatCA said...

We have some juvie judges like that. I imagine they rescued lots of Mr. Browns.

garage mahal said...

You get me John Kerry's military records and Obama's college transcripts and I will get you Palin's hospital records.

Deal?


Sure, I had thought Kerry did release his records though.

Beth said...

How many people here are actually voting in Massachusetts? My snark is aimed at the manufactured woo woo for someone no one here knew a thing about a few months ago, and wouldn't care about if it weren't for the Democrats suddenly believing they have to have a supermajority to get anything done. Coakley appears to be just another typical prosecutor drone and Brown's just another manufactured feel-good story.

Be outraged all you want, but from my perspective, this is funny.

bagoh20 said...

"How many people here are actually voting in Massachusetts?"

Probably more people from outside the state donated to Brown than will vote, which is a kind of vote. It's probably the most important special election in history. Especially if Brown wins. Yep, funny.

Beth said...

Meade, if it makes you feel better, I can swear that I never voted for Ted Kennedy.

John said...

"Coakley appears to be just another typical prosecutor drone"

So letting pedophile priests off while campaigning to keep innocent people in jail just makes her "another prosecutor"? I would applaud your cynicism if it wasn't so fake. If Coakley were a Republican you would rightly be having a fit about her record. The fact that you are excuse it and downplaying it with Coakley just shows that you are a hack and completely lack integrity or commitment to civil rights.

And Big Journalism is doing a Coakley's greatest hits. The first hit is quite enlightening.

http://bigjournalism.com/ghewson/2010/01/14/marthas-greatest-hits-the-things-the-democrats-would-like-you-to-forget-about-candidate-coakley/

Beth said...

Oh hey, knox. Thanks. Apparently, I am nearly alone in my amusement over this election, so I appreciate your tolerance of my crummy sense of humor.

MadisonMan said...

It's probably the most important special election in history.

Until the next one.

John said...

"Meade, if it makes you feel better, I can swear that I never voted for Ted Kennedy."

But you are going to vote for Coakley? Come on. Brown could be the devil himself for all I know. But it would be nice if someone, anyone, involved in the recovered memory child molestation cases actually saw their careers come to an end over it. Coakley is the worst. This woman argued with a straight face to the Supreme Court that forensic experts were under no obligation to show up in court. That was too much for even Scalia and Thomas. Is there anything a Dem can do, no matter how vile, that would keep them from being elected?

Matt Eckert said...

Hey if Trig Palin ever runs will it be a "Very Special" election?

MadisonMan said...

Confidential to John: Beth lives in Louisiana and will not be voting in the Massachusetts special election.

Deirdre Mundy said...

Personally, I think owning a timeshare SHOULD disqualify him...

Those things are rip-offs-- If he fell for the timeshare scam, how will he protect himself against lobbiests?

Beth said...

John, I am cynical about prosecutors, Democrat and Republican. I think they make deals with the devil, so I guess that puts me over Pat Robertson, rhetorically. I think voters need to be very, very suspicious of them.

It's funny how a couple of jokes bring out incredibly specific responses that really have little basis in anything I've said. That is the source of my amusement.

This isn't my election. I don't care about these people. I care about the narratives that unfold as we try to act as if suddenly we know these candidates and their issues and their histories. We don't.

Matt Eckert said...

Confidential to Madison Man, not living in the state never stopped Democrats from voting before.

They like to vote even when they are dead.

They are very patrotic that way.

Henry said...

It's probably the most important special election in history.

That one where the Mongols voted on whether or not to conquer all of Asia has to be in the top 10.

Freeman Hunt said...

This ending of the story struck me as odd. How do things that you haven't paid for just end up in your cart?

He was at Staples. I bet it was a pen. Or a highlighter. I've more than once had to go back into a store to pay for small things like that that rolled to the back of the cart and weren't noticed during checkout.

AJ Lynch said...

There was a column in the Boston Globe today by Joan Venocchio. She is a liberal and excoriated Brown as a fake and phony.

I read some of the readers' comments. They were almost 100% for Brown and against Venocchio and against Coakly.

This is only anecdotal evidence but I think a voter tsunami is coming to the polling booths in our neighborhoods.

John said...

"This isn't my election. I don't care about these people. I care about the narratives that unfold as we try to act as if suddenly we know these candidates and their issues and their histories. We don't."

I will be the first to admit I don't know a blasted thing about Brown. But I do know about Coakley. I am a former prosecutor and have done more than my share of sex cases. I am very familiar with the cases in Mass and Coakley's role in them. And so should you be. Or anyone really who cares about civil rights in this country.

It is interesting how when there is a race where the Democrat has real dirt on their hands and is responsible for thoroughly reprehensible behavior, you are all of the sudden not interested in the election and know "nothing about either one.". Bullshit.

And you referenced Coakley's prosecution of Goeghgan. My link simply pointed out that her involvement in that is also tainted with reprehensible behavior.

And if you are so cynical about prosecutors, why are you giving Coakley such a pass?

Matt Eckert said...

But they are also very modest. I mean they will keep the votes in the trunk of a car unless they need them.

They are very considerate that way.

MadisonMan said...

This is only anecdotal evidence but I think a voter tsunami is coming to the polling booths in our neighborhoods.

Possibly, but I think it's hazardous to read too much into the comments.

This election is the only thing pundits and bloggerati have to talk about. Opinion columns will be widely circulated and will draw commentary from non-voters.

Beth said...

I'm not giving Coakley a pass, John, I'm joking about the swooning over Brown. Because it's funny.

rocketeer67 said...

Well Beth, I live in Massachusetts, I will be voting for Scott Brown, I personally know victims of a pedophile priest, and I generally have a pretty good sense of humor.

So now that I've established my creds, let me be more direct in telling you that comparing the pedophilia of an adult in a position of authority like Geoghan to the stupid youthful shoplifting of Brown is unfunny. You should be ashamed, though indications are that you aren't.

bagoh20 said...

"...I think a voter tsunami is coming to the polling booths in our neighborhoods."

Now, that will be a natural disaster that truly is a President's fault.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I care about the narratives that unfold as we try to act as if suddenly we know these candidates and their issues and their histories. We don't.

Actually Beth I don't think many here care about them either. I think the basis for discussion is that there is a viable Republican candidate who may win in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I'm joking about the swooning over Brown. Because it's funny.

Beth did you vote for Obama? I mean if you did, didn't your irony bone just shatter?

John said...

"I'm not giving Coakley a pass, John, I'm joking about the swooning over Brown. Because it's funny."

Because clearly when one of the worst most corrupt prosecutors in the country gets a major party nomination for the Senate the interesting story is the swooning over her unknown opponent. Yeah, that makes sense.

AJ Lynch said...

Bago:

If it is a "man-caused disaster", I think we must notify Janet Napolitano.

garage mahal said...

Beth
Are you going to unequivocally denounce Coakley right here and now or what? Shame on you!

Meade said...

Beth: I was snarking with you, not at you... seeing your remark and raising you a snide.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Beth: I was snarking with you, not at you... seeing your remark and raising you a snide.

C'mon Meade you had a better hand. You should have gone all in.

John said...

You like Coakley there Garage? She your girl? Do you think that forensic experts shouldn't have to testify in open court? Do you think that Gerald Amirault should still be in jail? Do you think that Father Goeghan deserved a second chance back in 1995? Tell us all about your opinion of her resume.

You won't talk about any of that because you are a hack. Coakley is absolutely awful. And she is awful in a way that liberals should actually care about. But, you won't stand up and say a word about it. You will just snark. Because it doesn't matter how bad she is. She is a Democrat and you will never criticize a Democrat.

Matt Eckert said...

Meade just didn't want it to get too mean. Beth is a great commentor. Often very reasonable for an extreme liberal. She is just having a bad day and can't worm her way out of it.

You shouldn't smack around a girl.

Unless you are Charlie Sheen.

Then your ratings go way way up!

AllenS said...

Sure, I had thought Kerry did release his records though.

I'd have to look for them, but I believe I still have Kerry's two DD 214s that he released. Neither of which are his original release papers.

John said...

"She is just having a bad day and can't worm her way out of it."

Why is she having a bad day? If Coakley were a Republican, I would still take great pleasure in kicking her around. She is only having a bad day because she is engaged in red team versus blue team hackery. And that is her own fault.

Matt Eckert said...

She had a bad day because she was trying to snark based on a man’s physical attractiveness which unfortunately is not in her particular area of expertise.

You should however pay attention when she comments on Chastity Bono’s haircut.

Or Shakespeare’s sonnets.

We all have our own bailiwicks.

WV: Thedd: the sound Teddy made as he was banging on the window of the overturned car at the bottom of the Chappaquiddick tidal basin.

Scott M said...

I haven't read through the entire string of comments here, but I wanted to mention something that dawned on me today regarding this race.

It could be that I'm not following it closely enough or that I simply don't know enough radical feminists, but, refreshingly enough, I have yet to hear anyone making any sort of hay about the fact that Coakley's, well, a chick.

None of the gender identity bullshit that normally crops up around highly publicized races like this.

Very refreshing.

The Drill SGT said...

Scott M said...None of the gender identity bullshit that normally crops up around highly publicized races like this.

Very refreshing.


Other than althouse on the previous thread saying (paraphrase),

If you are Coakley, and your Schtick is "tough prosecutor" you shouldn't play the weak female victim card when faced with nasty GOP white collar stalkers

it looks weak :)

Scott M said...

@AllenS

DD 214s

I'm certainly no expert and it's been a while since I was in the service, but how, without rejoining and getting out again, could anyone get more than one DD 214?

JAL said...

This woman is not fit for office.

I am a licensed professional counselor, and was in practice (in another state) when the sex abuse believe-the-children hysteria was at its height. (Shortly thereafter my then pre-schooler child convinced me once again that some 'research' is more than crap as she had a very firmly held alternate reality which included her attending a green school house which had various critters in residence!)

Back then I actually attended a Laura Bass "Courage to Heal" workshop. (If you think you might have been abused you were. If you have the symptoms in the book but don't remember abuse, you were....)

I also remember reading Dorothy Rabinowitz's excellent work on this and other horrendous miscarriages of justice.

For more on the Amiraults:
Involvement in Amirault Case makes Coakley Unfit

And a Lowell Sun editorial.

Given this alone I cannot imagine anyone in MA with a brain and /or a heart would vote for her.

Jeremy said...

JAL said..."This woman is not fit for office."

blah, blah, blah.

what you really mean is this: she's a democrat.

Frodo Potter said...

Beth is usually reasonable, but she is way off base on this. John and Rocketeer are quite spot-on. I urge everyone to read the writings of Dorothy Rabinowitz on what scum like Martha Coakley and Scott Harshburger did in the early and mid-1990s. If you have high blood pressure, take your medicine before you start.

Many liberals like to pretend that they are fighting for justice, but when they see scum like Martha Coakley deliberately hurting the little people, they prefer to ignore it. I would usually NOT put Beth in this category, but this time she has put herself in.

Let me say, apropos of an earlier thread that I wasn’t able to comment on, that Ayla Brown is one of my all-time LEAST favorite Idol contestants. I also think Scott Brown is something of a “pretty boy.” But I would crawl over broken glass to vote for him in a race against Martha Coakley. I have often voiced my contempt for Sarah Palin on this board, but Coakley is one of the few people who could make me vote for Palin.

Synova said...

"How do things that you haven't paid for just end up in your cart?'


Stores sometimes check to see if under the basket items were paid for. Not because people mean to steal them but because checkers forget to scan them.

A small item can easy be missed, particularly in winter, if it ends up under a coat or mittens that are piled in the cart.

This really isn't mysterious.

John said...

Jeremy,

I know you are stupid and all, but could you at least try to intelligently engage in the conversation? Once in a while maybe.

Chase said...

Beth is one of the good guys.

. . . and one of the talented ones. Anyone who writes like this . . .

and I enjoy it (the blog 'Althouse')for its merging the immediacy of today's voice, image and text technology with the quality of a public/private life in letters that I associate with the 18th century diarists.

. . . deserves respect.

MadisonMan said...

Synova, what you (and Freeman, I think) say is very plausible. The thing that struck me was connecting back to the Judge. Don't you just take it back because it's the right thing to do? Not because you're reminded of the time you faced a judge?

As I said, it just seems -- to me -- an odd and unnecessary ending to the story. Not that it didn't happen.

John said...

"and I enjoy it (the blog 'Althouse')for its merging the immediacy of today's voice, image and text technology with the quality of a public/private life in letters that I associate with the 18th century diarists."

You are kidding right? I am sure she is a nice enough person. But that doesn't strike me as that insightful or interesting.

rocketeer67 said...

Synova, what you (and Freeman, I think) say is very plausible. The thing that struck me was connecting back to the Judge. Don't you just take it back because it's the right thing to do? Not because you're reminded of the time you faced a judge?

MadMan, I read it as: "I'm the kind of person that does the right thing now in part because of Judge Zoll. I could easily have ended up a much worse man if not for that experience."

Chase said...

John, you're probably more of a Carson Daly or Craig Ferguson sort of guy . . .

Paul said...

"You are kidding right? I am sure she is a nice enough person. But that doesn't strike me as that insightful or interesting."

John, I liken it to a kind of Stockholm syndrome...a lefty that isn't as hateful as a Jeremy or as droolingly stupid as an hdhouse is fawned over by a lot of right wingers who are desperate to gain cred with the lefties, who deep down they imagine are cooler than they are. Very John McCain-ish.

Jeremy said...

John said..."Jeremy, I know you are stupid and all..."

actually you don't know me at all, much like the rest of the people here.

all you really know it that you agree with the conservatives and disagree with the liberals...me being the one you chose here.

i would bet that if most of the people here actually met, they would immediately find something they didn't like about the others. it's human nature...and based on the incessant bitching and whining here every day, it's hard to imagine most of the local pack being happy about damn near anything.

this is really nothing more than an obama/liberal.democrat bitch-fest, inhabited by a group of wing nuts who just can't stand to think a liberal has been elected president. and he being black doesn't fare well either.

JAL said...

C'mon guiys -- there are lots of ellipses in this "report."

Don't try to make it something it isn't.

John said...

"John, you're probably more of a Carson Daly or Craig Ferguson sort of guy . . "

who are they? I am more of a Russel Kirk, Paul Johnson, Paul Graves kind of person.

Jeremy said...

Paul - "a lefty that isn't as hateful as a Jeremy or as droolingly stupid as an hdhouse"

like i said: a group of wing nuts who, for whatever reason, can't distinguish between disagreement and one being "stupid" or "hateful."

i don't think anybody here is "stupid," merely misinformed (not that some don't say things that certainly appear to be based in stupidity)...and as for the term; "hate"...it's overused by those with limited vocabularies.

how can you "hate" someone you don't even know?

Joe said...

RE: Shopping carts

Some carts have two levels. I've put big things in the bottom part and completely forgotten about them until I'm unloading the cart.

When I was a kid you could have film developed by mail. Many of the preprinted envelopes weren't prepaid but some were. I remember once grabbing two at a store when were were traveling and only later realizing that they were the prepaid kind. I tore them up.

John said...

"all you really know it that you agree with the conservatives and disagree with the liberals...me being the one you chose here."

Bullshit. I agree with liberals about a lot. I am totally against the drug war. And I care passionately about the rights of the accused. That is why I dislike Coakley so much. And why you would to if you gave it some thought rather than playing Red team versus Blue team rah Rah Rah.

Paul said...

"how can you "hate" someone you don't even know?"

Oh please. You're writing oozes hatred and contempt. But let me pose the same question to you? How can you presume racism with people you don't know?

You're a hypocrite and a weak thinker.

Johnny Vino said...

He didn't have to go back into Staples cause of a judge. He had to go back CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STEALING!

His daughter was sooooooo annoying on AI.

garage mahal said...

Well Paul, every single post you write oozes hatred and contempt for liberals. So, you would know.

Pogo said...

Which Jeremy is this one? (There are multiple users to his account, he has admitted.)

It's got the lower-case thing going, and devoid of references to sexual acts so far, but smarter-than-you like the others, so it's hard to tell.

___________________
I agree with MadisonMan; the added part was unnecessary and likely conflated several events (i.e. didn't happen). Struck me as odd, too.

bagoh20 said...

"how can you "hate" someone you don't even know?"

I hate Mao, but never got to know him, cause he never even talked to me that night in Vegas - he just kept playing that damn machine.

Not saying I hate anyone here, but I could if I tried.

OldGrouchy Doug Wright said...

It works pretty well for a Poppa to bring his little boy in the store to confess to stealing a pack of gum! It worked for me many years before when a store manager caught me and my 7-year old buddy stealing games of "Jacks" and chewed us out. Never stole anything ever again.

So pretty certain that worked out for the young boy, Kind of hoped that chance would come around with my two sons but not to be.

wv: ulyouth once, unfortunately.

Paul said...

"Well Paul, every single post you write oozes hatred and contempt for liberals. So, you would know."

I will certainly cop to contempt for liberal ideology and its influence on liberal behavior, but since at least half my friends and most of my acquaintances are liberal I don't hate them as persons. Not at all.

But I do hate many Democrat politicians like Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Dodd....just like you hate Bush, Cheney, Palin....

Beth said...

Beth did you vote for Obama? I mean if you did, didn't your irony bone just shatter?

Well, no. Voting isn't swooning. I'm not telling anyone who to vote for in the Massachusetts special election. I'm not advocating for Coakley - I am laughing at this particular story from Brown. It's such a perfect political candidate narrative, and that makes it funny.

I don't know how that adds up to me defending pedophile priests or recovered memory prosecutions - and it's mostly disingenuous for anyone here who isn't actually voting in this election to pretend that those issues matter to them. What matters to the non-Mass. residents discussing this is the ratio of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate. Hence, we have people from the other 49 states suddenly discovering how dreamy Scott Brown is. If you can't laugh at that, at how these stories coalesce out of air, then you don't appreciate absurdity. There's a lot of absurdity in how we act out our public and political lives, and the internet has made that all the more enjoyable.

AJ Lynch said...

Anyone see the Conan O'Brien bit where he claimed he was not worried about losing his job but he had started taking home as as many office supplies as he could?

Beth said...

Meade, I did vote for Edwin Edwards. So I can throw only so much snark into the kitty.

In my defense, he was running against David Duke. Louisiana trumps Massachusetts politics any day of the week.

garage mahal said...

Paul, I don't hate you. In fact, I love you. In love with you even?

Paul said...

Maybe when we start seeing "I've Got A Crush On Scott Brown" videos, or posters of him rising up from the waters dripping and bathed in heavenly light we'll start to better appreciate the absurd.

Paul said...

"Paul, I don't hate you. In fact, I love you. In love with you even?"

stop it garage you're freaking me out

Just Lurking said...

This ending of the story struck me as odd. How do things that you haven't paid for just end up in your cart?

It happens. To me recently. When I was loading the stuff into my car, my first reaction upon seeing the item in the cart was "Woo hoo. A freebie!" (A sure sign of my less than perfect upbringing.)

I checked the receipt, and indeed the checkout girl and I missed it in the kiddie seat of the cart, (which she had folder over.)

My second reaction was to go back in and pay for the item. (I guess there is a little evil in me... but I have in under control.)

Beth said...

Hey Chase - thanks. If I'm not getting my point across here, that's on me.

B said...

In my defense, he was running against David Duke. Louisiana trumps Massachusetts politics any day of the week.


LOL

You guys leave Beth alone. She's promised to save me some transfat Crisco (which has been banned by nanny state California) for my authentic southern fried chicken. (I use half peanut oil and half crisco to fry chicken)

Don't make me use lard instead. I want to save that for my pie crusts. Just wait until the government tries to outlaw pork and pork products. You think people are upset now?

Bruce Hayden said...

I have, more than once, done just as Hoosier Daddy did with his wife. Bonus points for weird condoms (bright colors, knobby, etc.) or female sex toys. But since I am the one who usually has to pay for everything, the stuff usually comes out before we get to the cash register, or I am exposed as a person of questionable character to the cashier. Something like this to the (female) cashier: "He thinks he is being funny. You know how guys are. Sorry about the inconvenience. I will try to make sure this doesn't happen again".

More likely though I try to get her to pay for brown carbs (i.e. chocolate), which she doesn't think that I should have, due to the Adkins diet I am supposed to be on.

As for Scott Brown's story - I find it totally credible. I had somewhat similar experiences, with similar results.

Synova said...

My husband and I bought a deluxe, super-duper, back-pack for my college student and the checker went through all the pockets, all apologetic that it might seem like he suspected us of trying to steal something.

It's okay, I said, for all we know someone else slipped something in there and left it. I hadn't checked the pockets.

We were walking out of the store and I realized, dang, that would be a *wicked* trick to play on people. I wonder how often it happens.

Brent said...

Just wait until the government tries to outlaw pork and pork products. You think people are upset now

Next - outlawing cul-de-sacs(!)

I'm no extremist - personally can't stand Glenn Beck and his ilk - or conspiracy theorist - the "birthers" are idiots - but there is a valid real possibility of truth in that pork statement.

And why do so many people want to control where and how everyone can physically live?! Make cul-de-sacs illegal?!!

Synova said...

Bruce... go for the really high percent dark chocolate bars, 70% and more. It's hard to eat a whole lot of really really dark chocolate, not like a snickers or milk-chocolate bar, it goes farther with fewer carbs and you got to have a treat.

Hoosier Daddy said...

and he being black doesn't fare well either.

Now Jeremy, he is an acceptable black because of his lighter skin and non-Negro accent. Harry Reid said so.

Hoosier Daddy said...

like i said: a group of wing nuts who, for whatever reason, can't distinguish between disagreement and one being "stupid" or "hateful."

Wait, you mean when you repeatedly asked me to drop my balls in your mouth you were being intelligent and nice?

Why my heavens I had no idea you were really coming on to me.

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Synova said...

Hey, I donno about the cul de sac thing. The reasoning seems sound enough and on practical grounds instead of because someone decided that cul de sacs were a social issue.

I bet they really are a PITA for garbage trucks and snow plows.

Speed bumbs are another. Just ask the fire department what they think of speed bumps.

AllenS said...

Scott M said...
@AllenS

DD 214s

I'm certainly no expert and it's been a while since I was in the service, but how, without rejoining and getting out again, could anyone get more than one DD 214?


I'd assume that when you're a Senator you can pull some strings.

I still have the 2 DD 214s

Let's review:

The one that he first displayed, was a DD 214, which obviously was a bullshit form because he should have been issued a DD 214N, because he was in the Navy. This is what gets me about the form, under decorations, it says that he was awarded the National Defense Service Medal (Not Received). That's it. No other medals were awarded. Not Received? You receive this medal when you leave basic training. I would imagine this is the form he wanted when he thought anti-war was cool.

After his "reporting for duty" announcement he put out another DD 214. This one was a DD 214N, with all of his 6 other awards.

Somewhere, there is his original DD 214N. Where it is, is anybodys guess.

Jeremy said...

Hoosier Daddy said..."Wait, you mean when you repeatedly asked me to drop my balls in your mouth you were being intelligent and nice?"

being stupid or saying you hate someone has nothing to do with throwing inane tea bagger bullshit back into someone's face.

but we both know which one of us is the tea bagging nutcase...so don't be trying to reverse our roles in the big event.

does this mean you're up for the ball drop...because pogo appears to be very interested, too.

maybe one ball for each of you?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Well, no. Voting isn't swooning.

I didn't mean you swooned over him Beth but I think you don't think that the masses don't swoon over Obama I think you need to have some more coffee.

And why is Brown's narrative so funny? He's a politician for Christ sake it's textbook. I mean did you actually think Nancy Pelosi was sincere when she became speaker, surrounded herself with a bunch of moppets and declared this gavel is for the children? Talk about the narrative. Christ you could sell clubbing baby polar bears if you could show how it would benefit the children.

Jeremy said...

AllenS & Scottie are now discussing john kerry's military records.

everybody: please...pay very close attention...this is big.

Chase said...

Beth - my pleasure. Of course you can defend yourself admirably.

Paul - that is the most ridiculous circular reasoning laughables I've read from someone in a long time. I'll compare my conservative record of civic works in my city and state and my conservative bona-fides with people like you anytime, all day. I'll have you for lunch on that you can be sure, my friend.

I'll bet you taste like chicken.

Hoosier Daddy said...

being stupid or saying you hate someone has nothing to do with throwing inane tea bagger bullshit back into someone's face.


Actually Jeremy I don't hate you but I do think you're stupid. I mean I think clowns are stupid too but I don't hate them. They are kind of creepy though.

Jeremy said...

Hoosier Daddy said..."Now Jeremy, he is an acceptable black because of his lighter skin and non-Negro accent. Harry Reid said so."

and he's absolutely right.

i can't even imagine how you and other wing nuts would be reacting to his election if he was much darker skinned and did speak with an african american dialect.

the man is confident, intelligent, and articulate, and you idiots spend every day of the week denigrating him.

and please; don't tell me there isn't a racist element to much of the criticism...because we all know that's bullshit.

*oh, and i suggest you back away from beth...she's smarter than 99% of the people who run with the local "pack."

Hoosier Daddy said...

"Speed bumbs are another. Just ask the fire department what they think of speed bumps.

On Jeremey's first Halloween is parents dressed him up as a speed bump which of course explains a lot.

Jeremy said...

hoosier - clowns can be very scary.

we had two of them in the white house from 2000 - 20008.

people are still scared.

AllenS said...

duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?

Jeremy said...

hoosier, running out of inane political material, is now moving into his stand-up routine.

h-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s.

i mean it.

AllenS said...

duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?

Hoosier Daddy said...

i can't even imagine how you and other wing nuts would be reacting to his election if he was much darker skinned and did speak with an african american dialect.

Well that of course wouldn't happen because Harry Reid said you guys would not have elected a dark skinned black man with a Negro accent.

I of course as a conservative wouldn't have voted for him if he was blue like those cool dudes from Pandora.

Jeremy said...

allen - well, thank god you finally got the correct spelling down.

would you like to move on to two syllables?

AllenS said...

duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?

B said...

I mean I think clowns are stupid too but I don't hate them. They are kind of creepy though

And even worse than mimes. At least mimes are silent. Clowns have those big Bozo noses, shoes and ooggaaah horns.

There....did I elevate the conversation? At least we didn't talk about Jeremy's nuts. :-D


Woah....maybe this IS Jeremy. Just look at that scary ball. This could explain a lot!

Jeremy said...

okay, i've had my fill of this nonsense, but in the spirit of hoosier's newly found appreciation for light comedy...here's a joke you can actually tell to damn near everybody:

A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife. She was a very good-looking woman and determined to keep the ranch, but knew very little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the newspaper for a ranch hand.

Two cowboys applied for the job... One was gay and the other a drunk.

She thought long and hard about it, and when no one else applied she decided to hire the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him around the house than the drunk.

He proved to be a hard worker who put in long hours every day and knew a lot about ranching.

For weeks, the two of them worked, and the ranch was doing very well. Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the hired hand, 'You have done a really good job, and the ranch looks great. You should go into town and kick up your heels.' The hired hand readily agreed and went into town on Saturday night..

One o'clock came, however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock and no hired hand. Finally he returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he found the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine, waiting for him. She quietly called him over to her.

'Unbutton my blouse and take it off, she said.. Trembling, he did as she directed. 'Now take off my boots.' He did as she asked, ever so slowly.

'Now take off my socks.' He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her boots.

'Now take off my skirt.' He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly
watching her eyes in the fire light.

'Now take off my bra.' Again, with trembling hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the floor.

Then she looked at him and said, 'If you ever wear my clothes into town again, you're fired.'

AllenS said...

duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?
duh?

Paul said...

"I'll compare my conservative record of civic works in my city and state and my conservative bona-fides with people like you anytime, all day. I'll have you for lunch on that you can be sure, my friend."

Yawn. Another internet tough guy.

You can take your conservatives creds and shove right up your ass one at a time. Nobody cares. Least of all me.

I agree with Greg Gutfield when he said that hanging out with liberals drove him to conservatism. Hanging out with conservatives drove him ti libertarianism".

Amen.

B said...

Ok.. That joke was pretty funny.

:-D

nrn312 said...

Well that of course wouldn't happen because Harry Reid said you guys would not have elected a dark skinned black man with a Negro accent.

Negro, please.

c3 said...

Jeremy;
this is really nothing more than an obama/liberal.democrat bitch-fest, inhabited by a group of wing nuts who just can't stand to think a liberal has been elected president. and he being black doesn't fare well either.

And

hoosier - clowns can be very scary.

we had two of them in the white house from 2000 - 20008.

people are still scared.


Need some more time on the practice court. Your game, weak that it was, is slipping.

Chase said...

Paul,

Your comment shows that you are not a conservative, but a reactionary. Hanging around with your peeps like David Duke and Tom Metzger always does that to people. Just be sure and wear a condom the next time any you 2 or more of you are together.

Paul said...

Chase,

Your comment shows you're an ignorant clown flailing around for a rebuttal. You don't know what you're talking about. Wipe the shit off your shoes and go home.

Chase said...

Paul,

It's difficult to believe you are truly such a clueless individual, but we can only hope that you don't have any children that a hate-filled clown such as yourself has brought into the world. How embarassed they would surely are if you are a father.

Paul said...

Jeez Chase. What are you twelve years old? It's embarrassing.

Trooper York said...

"Pants on the floor. Pants on the floor. What the world you doin' witcha pants on the floor?"

Your American Idol moment.

Beth said...

Hoosier, anything claimed "for the children!" is laughable. Surely you don't think I laugh only at politicians I don't like, or didn't vote for? There's no bigger, riper target for ridicule than public servants. Serious, thoughtful critique and debate are wonderful. Political engagement likewise. But laugh we must, as well.

Chase said...

Well, Paul, you can start redeeming yourself by referring back to your statement about my defense of Beth as being due to weak character, and a failure of my brand of conservatism. What an asshole thing to say about something you know nothing about. You don't know me, and you certainly don't know my motivations, but you decided to shit on me anyway.

Because you talked about and derided someone with absolutely no knowledge of what you were talking about, that marks you as an absolutely despicable human being, regardless of your political stripe.

You are a piece of fly shit as a human being, only more worthless and useless.

Trooper York said...

A piece of "fly" shit is what they used to call Jennifer Lopez when she was dancing on "In Living Color."

So you can in fact take that as a compliment. So to speak.

Paul said...

Chase you're unhinged.

Penny said...

"Serious, thoughtful critique and debate are wonderful. Political engagement likewise. But laugh we must, as well."

Beth, as the voice of reason and balance.

Paul said...

You've made a case of a weak character for yourself with your over the top childish meltdown. Wipe the spittle off your monitor and have a drink and calm down...like maybe a fifth of your distilled spirit of choice.

bagoh20 said...

This is not off topic cause it's in the labels.

I'm of the age where Black Sabbath, Led Zepplin and Grand Funk were all that for me and my friends. 70's rock n Roll.

I never asked anyone before but, what do people, slightly older than me who were more into the 60's like Dylan, and the more folksy stuff, think of those more 70's bands. The music is very different, but they overlap in that time period. I know there are many here of both ages. Basically people near 50 vs near 60.

vbspurs said...

How many people here are actually voting in Massachusetts? My snark is aimed at the manufactured woo woo for someone no one here knew a thing about a few months ago, and wouldn't care about if it weren't for the Democrats suddenly believing they have to have a supermajority to get anything done. Coakley appears to be just another typical prosecutor drone and Brown's just another manufactured feel-good story.

Beth, you know I'm on your side (though I haven't read all the give-and-take above), but this is disingenuous at best.

You are right that the supermajority is the most important factor in this race, but this blog's most important commentary is political. A lot of the commenters lean right -- and this January election is the opening salvo of what seems to be an atrocious year politically for the opponents of conservatives, the Democrats. It would be completely bizarre for Ann not to comment on many aspects of the race, on Scott Brown himself, and for us, the righties not to cheer, hoot and holler at Brown's run for what used to be the safest Democratic seat in the Union.

Now, I'll give you a personal reason. I am attracted like a lightning rod towards anything Kennedy. Even when there is no actual Kennedy present, in this case, we are talking about (with all due respect towards Brown's correction about the "people's seat") a Senate seat that was in the Kennedy family since NINETEEN FIFTY TWO (with a brief 2 year interim). That's the pull of history in my heart, baby. I want to see how this all unfolds, post-Kennedy.

I don't know. Maybe some Democrats around the United States got excited when FDR Jr. ran for Congress in NYC. Maybe some people sent in money, due to the emotional pull the name evoked.

Does interest in a race which doesn't involve your State make any sense? I don't know, but I sure can tell you that I'm not excited about Harry Reid's eventual successor, even if he or she will be a Republican, and I won't be giving any money to that politician.

But Scott? Oh yes. I'm pumped. He'll probably lose, but what a wild ride, eh?

Cheers,
Victoria

Penny said...

The downside is, Beth doesn't "book the funny" here at Althouse.

When we tire of beating up those who don't think the way we do, we eventually start pecking on each other for giggles. All the while continuing to be surprised when we wake up with pecker tracks.

Haha! Now THAT'S funny to me. But I'm odd.

Pastafarian said...

Jeremy -- sorry, but I was unable to enjoy your joke. After the first line, all I could think about was your many defenses of the confiscatory inheritance tax.

Of course, she'd get the spousal exemption; but still, when you mention someone trying to hold onto their inheritance, it reminds me that you actually think that we're just borrowing our belongings til we die, and the real owner is the government.

And by the way: What happened to your caps key? Did the man take it, in his continued efforts to keep you down?

Trooper York said...

Hey bagoh20, if they like Bob Dylan you really don't want their opinion anyway.

Bob Dylan is the most overrated song writer and performer in the history of music.

Trooper York said...

Well except for Neil Sedaka.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I never asked anyone before but, what do people, slightly older than me who were more into the 60's like Dylan, and the more folksy stuff, think of those more 70's bands

Apologize in advance if this is too off topic.

I love them.

I graduated from high school in 68 and was into folk during my junior high and early high school years. I just recently did an inventory of my albums.....yes, vinyl that I've been lugging around for over 40 years. I'm all over the place in the music I like.

Here's a short list of my most favorites in no cronological order

Led Zepplin (first 5 albums)
Tower of Power
Cold Blood
Joe Cocker
Keif Hartly Band
Fleetwood Mac (the really early years)
Leonard Cohen
Traffic
Chicago
Santana
Otis Redding
Boz Scaggs
Charlie Musslewhite
Blood Sweat and Tears
Janis and Big Brother
and of course I still have my folksy stuff

Crosby Stills Nash
Buffy St Marie
Dylan
Bud and Travis Latin Album

and a bunch bunch bunch more of jazz artists like Jimmy Smith jeff Beck, Thelonius Monk

And some really weird crap like Swamp Dogg Pacific Gas and Electric and a bunch of promo albums of groups that went nowhere (I dated DJ for a small FM station in SF for a while) and a few that did.

All in all about 380 albums.

I stopped being really much interested in pop music when Disco came out.

Pastafarian said...

Jesus Christ, Chase, calm down.

I really didn't see anything Paul wrote that merited the fly shit or "hope you don't breed" stuff. You're both usually very reasonable commenters, as is Beth.

I have the urge to bang your two heads together like coconuts. Or at the very least give you both simultaneous dope-smacks.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Bob Dylan is the most overrated song writer and performer in the history of music.


Heya TROOPER!!

I agree. Dylan is over rated with the exception of about 4 songs that he wrote that other people made good renditions out of.

Trooper York said...

Seriously, DBQ. I can just see doing the hustle while "Ring My Bell" is blaring on the dance floor.

wv: enitypee: the corporate name of the company that makes port-o-potties.

Trooper York said...

Of course when "Ring My Bell" came on and you heard the chorus "rrrrinnnggggg mmmyyyy bbbbbeeeellll" you were supposed to touch the nipple of the girl you were dancing with.

Titus said...

Good evening fellow republicans. I am crownin and just ready to pinch a loaf.

Did you know Massachusetts also has a republican guy running for governor and his running mate is a fag? Can we give him some love as well.

Thanks so much.

Have a great, super special evening.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Seriously, DBQ. I can just see doing the hustle while "Ring My Bell" is blaring on the dance floor.

Well..I didn't say I lost my interest in partying and drinking.

Doobie Brothers were pretty good but once we get to Donna Summer era...blech on the music

Trooper York said...

Personally, I enjoyed soul music. Al Green. Bill Withers. The Stylistics. The Delfonics. Curtis Mayfield. James Brown.

You know the classics.

Titus said...

I have used the term, "it's getting nippy out there"-referring to cold weather.

This is something we use in Wisconsin.

My husband, who is filthy rich, asked where it came from? He asked if it met that nipples become hard? I told him I don't know but it certainly makes sense.

where did the term, "it's getting nippy out" originate.

As always thanks for your interest, concern, love, acceptance-or disgust.

Trooper York said...

I know every time the wedding band strikes up "I love the nightlife" or "Last Dance" you are out there shaking your booty.

wv: Coummi: what a guy who can't spell calls President Obama.

Trooper York said...

That term originate on December 7, on Ohau.

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