November 3, 2009

"This despicable attack on Assemblywoman Scozzafava offends me personally and exemplifies exactly what's wrong with Hoffman and his right wing backers."

Democrat Bill Owens chivalrously defends the erstwhile Republican. The despicable attacker is Rush Limbaugh, who said:
Scozzafava has screwed every RINO in the coun -- we can say that she's guilty of widespread bestiality. She has screwed every RINO in the country. Everyone can see just see how phony and dangerous they are. You know, 2010 might be a nightmare for PETA. Two animals may become extinct; RINOs and Blue Dog Democrats. Pelosi's gonna kill off the Blue Dogs, and the conservatives are gonna finally get rid of RINOs. The American people have had enough.
Audio at the link. I'd embed, but the photo used there (Media Matters) is of the old (fat) Rush, and I don't want to display that here.

So are you shocked at Rush's crude humor, or do you think that's a level of sexual humor that you hear all the time coming from, say, Chris Rock or Bill Maher, and aimed at conservatives? It's a twist that you've got a woman in the masculine role, but that's good feminism. Meanwhile, Owens's defense is retrograde. Not only did Scozzafava withdraw from a tough fight, she sought refuge in the arms of her former opponent, who now absorbs her and enfolds her in protection. That's not progress for feminism. Why doesn't Scozzafava stand up for herself and — as they say — punch back twice as hard?

But, feminism aside, what is Owens really saying "exemplifies exactly what's wrong with Hoffman and his right wing backers"? Is it that they make sex-themed wisecracks? I think he's referring to the fact that real conservatives are actually conservative. They don't like RINOs and they want to discredit them, and they are exulting over Scozzafava's endorsement of the Democrat because it demonstrates clearly that RINOs are not really Republicans. Conservatives want the GOP to be conservative. That's "exactly what is wrong" from the point of view of a Democrat like Owens, because he would have preferred to compete with a liberal Republican. Presumably, he knows it's easier for a Democrat to argue that he is the better liberal than to pit liberal values against conservative values. That is what he admitted, isn't it?

UPDATE: Rush, on his show today:
[W]hat's happened now is that Owens has come out and issued a statement defending Dede Scozzafava against this outrageous personal attack launched by me.  Now, Dede Scozzafava is a liberal woman.  I thought she could take care of herself.  Why do these wimp liberal guys have to come out and start defending these women?  What happened to feminism in this country?  I mean, why did she quit in the first place?  That's not what feminism taught women to do.

196 comments:

Big Mike said...

Yes, Scozzafava is absolutely a setback for feminism.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Yeah that's so much worse than Joe Liberman being caricatured in blackface.

Maybe she should have been a Democrat. Evidently that is where her loyalties appear to lie. Kind of like wearing a Bears jersey while cheering on the Packers.

rhhardin said...

It's a twist that you've got a woman in the masculine role, but that's good feminism.

There's the idea that women have tender ears and so musn't hear sexual cliches, and there's the idea that it's sexual harassment and should produce damages.

Both are useful to political feminism, but at different times.

Sexual cliches are male allusions to the shared fact that males are attracted to women for no good reason, the for no good reason being the point.

That's how the cliche gets its point.

A woman can't use them right, as a result.

rdkraus said...

There's nothing shocking about it. It's just a funny way of talking about a situation where two groups, RINO's and Blue Dogs are referred to with animal names.

Really a remarkable episode in NY. What has been "exemplified" is exactly what's wrong with campaigning as a "moderate" Repub, ie. a RINO. Ann's right. You can't be a better Dem than a Dem.

Her (Scoz.) endorsement of the Dem revealed that the Emporer had no clothes. She confirmed what she was all along, Dem Light. She confirmed the need to get her off the ballot and give voters a choice.

For conservatives and Repub's, many are finally waking up. They are not going to win by being Dem Light. They have to go back to Reagan like conservatism, and talk about conservatism, and explain to people why that is better for them, and convince people that it is better for them. Not easy. But there's no glory in being Dem Light (maybe power for the individuals and their contributors, but why should voters care about that?).

bagoh20 said...

"But, feminism aside.."

That would be a clarifying wipe of the eyes in the early morning of the post gender bullshit era.

I wish we would all drop that term "screwing". I never consider screwing to be insulting when I get it or give it. But of course, I've never been to prison...long enough.

Pogo said...

"This despicable attack on Assemblywoman Scozzafava offends me"

Good.
Like Obama advised, we will punch back twice as hard.

He really is a uniter after all.

Kev said...

(the other kev)

I can't read 'despicable' without imagining the speaker talking like Daffy Duck. Is that an image Owens really wants to invoke?

Balfegor said...

So are you shocked at Rush's crude humor, or do you think that's a level of sexual humor that you hear all the time coming from, say, Chris Rock or Bill Maher, and aimed at conservatives?

I'm not terribly shocked, and while Chris Rock and Bill Maher aren't the ones I'd single out (I don't recall Rock doing that, and everything I've seen Maher in just makes him look smarmy, not dirty), liberals do crack those kinds of jokes all the time. It's about on the same level of objectionable-ness as, say, news-anchors giggling and punning about "teabagging."

So, uh, yeah. That's actually pretty objectionable.

Invisible Man said...

Not only did Scozzafava withdraw from a tough fight,

And how is this different from everyone's favorite, Sarah Palin.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

So are you shocked at Rush's crude humor, or do you think that's a level of sexual humor that you hear all the time coming from, say, Chris Rock or Bill Maher, and aimed at conservatives?

Nope, not shocked at all. Until the liberals stop using the sexual term Teabagger or Teabagging to describe conservatives, all decorum is off the table.

Why should conservatives be the only ones who have to watch what they say, while liberals can get away with all sorts of sexual slurs (Letterman) and character assassination? Probably because our parents taught us to have better manners than that. However, now is the time to play just as dirty and just as hard as the scum sucking libtards.


They don't like RINOs and they want to discredit them, and they are exulting over Scozzafava's endorsement of the Democrat because it demonstrates clear that RINOs are not really Republicans

Excatly. This is where Palin will begin to show her influence. The RINOs and the Liberals of all denominations are in her cross hairs. I see her role as a 'rainmaker' for the conservative movement. Removing the liberals from office.

The rain seems to be falling quite nicely on Hoffman.

Roger J. said...

Political posturing pure and simple--trying to generate anger in hopes of attracting a few votes.
Almost all of our politicians are in fact whores, scozzafava is only slightly less blatent a whore than is Arlen Specter

Slow news day apparently until the counting takes place tonite and the vote stealing tomorrow.

Seneca the Younger said...

Oh, I think Owens is exactly right: it does exemplify everything he despises about Hoffman, Limbaugh, and the GOP. Specifically, it's

- effective
- uncompromising
- on the other side.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Hey if Rush had urinated on a photo of her would that be comic genius?

Rose said...

Was he offended when Anderson Cooper snickered on air about "Tea-Baggers"?

Was he offended over the "Sarah Palin is a c---" T-shirts?

At least Rush's remarks are in jest. And pretty darn funny at that. Actually, even funnier knowing it has thrown that guy into a tizzy.

former law student said...

Whatever conservatives are conserving, it's not civility, much less chivalry.

That's "exactly what is wrong" from the point of view of a Democrat like Owens, because he would have preferred to compete with a liberal Republican. Presumably, he knows it's easier for a Democrat to argue that he is the better liberal than to pit liberal values against conservative values. That is what he admitted, isn't it?

But the 23rd is a (modestly) pro-Republican district. Arguing that a Democrat is a better liberal than a Republican is like trying to persuade vegetarians that Wendy's is tastier than a Gardenburger -- the initial appeal is simply not there. Scozzafava's moderate views should have accurately reflected her district.

With her gone, those who are appalled by Limbaugh's intemperate language will vote for the respectful Owens.

Kevin said...

Say, did you hear that Rush regularly visits an imaginary Caribbean island with a pocketful of Viagra, a blow-up inflatable poodle, and an unexpurgated copy of the Federalist Papers?

... just thought I'd post this on this thread before the leftists do.

Synova said...

Rush is right (if perhaps more colorful than necessary.)

Scozzafava undermines all of the other "moderate" Republicans who are trying to make a "big tent" argument.

(An aside: I'm not impressed at all with a "big tent" argument that consists of calls to throw out the icky-poo social cons and religious right and move left. That's no more "big tent" than any other call for ideological purging.)

In any case... Scozzafava didn't "screw" Hoffman. Rush is right that the people she "screwed" were RINOs who just lost a whole lot of their cover.

(I have a *small* amount of sympathy. Local politics is generally about how much a politician can *get* for the district and if they will be sure to *get* as much as possible and make sure they *get* at least as much as anyone else *gets*.)

former law student said...

Not only did Scozzafava withdraw from a tough fight,

And how is this different from everyone's favorite, Sarah Palin.

Simple. Staying on as governor was costing Palin money -- the worst nightmare conservatives can imagine, thus a reason anyone should be able to understand.

chickenlittle said...

OMG, Limbaugh so jumped the snark this time.

Gamechanger! How dare he!

Hoffman should immediately resign if elected!

Happy now Mr. Owens?

All hail Chairman O and his Novus Ordo Decorum.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

"Not only did Scozzafava withdraw from a tough fight, "

And how is this different from everyone's favorite, Sarah Palin.

I'll try to explain it again, but I know it will just go whizzing over your pointy head.

Palin was in a position where she was under constant attack from frivolous ethics allegations that made it impossible to conduct the business of the State. Since she had a target on her back and it was hurting the citizens of the State because of her inability to get any of the business of the State accomplished, she stepped down.

It was a good business decision on the behalf of the citizens of her State of Alaska. Sure she could have 'stuck it out' but to what end. The government would have been more or less stalled and her ability to accomplish any new goals or business that would benefit her State would also have been stalled.

Instead of continuing as a crippled and ineffective leader, she basically took one for the team. Stepped aside and let the Lt. Governor take the lead in advancing the business of the State.

People do this same tactic in business. When the CEO of the company or the President of the Board of Directors is unable to manage the company, that person is sensibly removed so the company can profit.

.........woooosshh.....the sound of practical logic going over your head.

Synova said...

"And how is this different from everyone's favorite, Sarah Palin."

Palin didn't turn around and endorse Obama, for one.

And when Scozzafava left the race I was not alone in saything this was honorable or even brave. It would have been *easier* to stay in than to bow out... particularly if she wanted to "screw" Hoffman.

former law student said...

Scozzafava undermines all of the other "moderate" Republicans who are trying to make a "big tent" argument.

But Scozzafava was kicked out of the tent. Shivering in the dark, she spied a light on the horizon. There the kindly Democrats gave her a seat by the fire, and made her a hot chocolate.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Shivering in the dark, she spied a light on the horizon. There the kindly Democrats gave her a seat by the fire, and made her a hot chocolate

Right next to the spot where Cindy Sheehan used to sip hot chocolate and eat cookies.

Bender said...

"Scozzafava has screwed every RINO in the coun -- we can say that she's guilty of widespread bestiality."
--So are you shocked at Rush's crude humor?


Use of the word "bestiality" is no more sexually crude than the use of the word "screwed," merely being applied to, and a play on, the word RINO/rhino.

He could have charged her with sodomy instead, one might suppose, but RINOs doing that is hardly something new, they've been doing that to the rest of us for a while now.

DADvocate said...

My first thought was about the "teabagger" comments also. If the liberal Democrat hypocrites want to raise the level of debate, then quit being liberal Democrat hypocrites and hold your own side to the level you pretend to support.

I'm a little surprised but not shocked that Rush would use such crude humor. Guess he's just hitting back twice as hard. A rather clever play on "RINO" though.

Owens is just sucking up, trying to gain a few more votes. He doesn't really give a hoot about Limbaugh's comments. He was probably saying something just as bad before Scozzafava withdrew.

bagoh20 said...

Hoosier Daddy said:"
Hey if Rush had urinated on a photo of her would that be comic genius?"

Nice shot, man.

John said...

"But Scozzafava was kicked out of the tent. Shivering in the dark, she spied a light on the horizon. There the kindly Democrats gave her a seat by the fire, and made her a hot chocolate."


So what. She is a loser who pissed off her own party and still couldn't attract enough votes to finish second let alone first. Contrast that with Joe Lieberman who left his party and still won re-election despite the intervention of every douschbag in America in favor of his opponent.

If the polls are to be beleived the conservative candidate is going to win today. The voters got a real choice and made one. Hard to see what their is to complain about.

TosaGuy said...

Scozzafava is to the left of George McGovern on card check and also supported the stimulus.

How is that "moderate"?

She called the cops on reporters because they were asking her questions.....good riddence to any politician who does that...regardless of party.

Roger J. said...

At least Mr. Limbaugh didnt call her a whore, and the evidence is much stronger that she in fact is a whore. (but only in the political sense, of course. What did the democrats promise her for her endorsement? Guess we will find out if the democrat dude wins)

Fred4Pres said...

The attacks on Scozzafava became personal (such as calling her Scuzzy Fat One) when she showed her true colors by backing Owens. She did conservatives a favor with that treachery. Because conservatives were saying Scozzafava could not be trusted, and she proved them right. And now she is ruined in politics. The Dems will not trust her and Republicans never will again. She embarassed those who came out to support her---and Rush is loving the chance to embarass them some more.

Before Scozzafava's flip, the attacks were against her past policy positions. I am sorry, but that is completely legitimate in a political race.

former law student said...

Palin was in a position where she was under constant attack from frivolous ethics allegations that made it impossible to conduct the business of the State

To me, Palin's inability to deal with the likes of Andree McLeod and the Bristol Bay Alliance does cast doubt on her ability to deal with Ahmedinejad and al-Qaeda.

Synova said...

"But Scozzafava was kicked out of the tent. Shivering in the dark, she spied a light on the horizon. There the kindly Democrats gave her a seat by the fire, and made her a hot chocolate."

Heh. ;-)

I suppose that Democrats are all about sheltering the poor helpless women and all other helpless, oppressed peoples.

Fred4Pres said...

bagoh20 said...
Hoosier Daddy said:"
Hey if Rush had urinated on a photo of her would that be comic genius?"

Nice shot, man.

11/3/09 9:52 AM


Comic genius...no. Possible National Endownment of the Arts Grant Winner? Perhaps.

John said...

"To me, Palin's inability to deal with the likes of Andree McLeod and the Bristol Bay Alliance does cast doubt on her ability to deal with Ahmedinejad and al-Qaeda."

Yeah, who knows what could have happened. She might have been so busy that she didn't have time to meet with the commander in Afghanistan. Or she could have made a deal with the Iranians for them to turn over their enriched uranium only to see them back out of it and taking the implicit international recognition of their right to produce it. Or maybe she would have gotten involved in Honduran politics and wound up having to accept a humiliating deal to bring a Chavista president back to the country to beg for power again. Or worse she may have left GUITMO open or committed to continue to stay in Iraq. I mean who knows how she would have fucked things up.

Salamandyr said...

I wouldn't have said it. It's a bit more low brow and vulgar than I prefer. But that doesn't make it wrong.

It's no worse than the immature nincompoops, supposedly oh so objective tittering over their naughty little "teabag" comments. But it's no better either.

Hoosier Daddy said...

To me, Palin's inability to deal with the likes of Andree McLeod and the Bristol Bay Alliance does cast doubt on her ability to deal with Ahmedinejad and al-Qaeda.

If Ahmedinejad and al-Qaeda knew how to use our legal system I would agree with you.

The Crack Emcee said...

"For conservatives and Repub's, many are finally waking up."

It ain't just them, Chumley.

MadisonMan said...

Palin was in a position where she was under constant attack from frivolous ethics allegations that made it impossible to conduct the business of the State. Since she had a target on her back and it was hurting the citizens of the State because of her inability to get any of the business of the State accomplished, she stepped down.

That's one way to spin it. A better tactic -- that would have shown leadership -- would be to change the laws that hamstrung her. Instead of the Run Away! Run Away! tactic.

To the point at hand: I don't follow NY Politics very closely, but if Owens could have more openly tied attacks on Scozzafava to people outside the district, that might have been more effective. Who in any district likes other people (read: out-of-staters in particular) deciding who they can vote for?

Roger J. said...

Recall the boy wonder also sold out the czechs and poles so he could become Putin's butt boy.

Yeah--we got a real foreign policy genius in the white house. And to remind the anti-palin wing of althouse, if the boy wonder had lost it would be John McCain and not Sarah Palin in the white house.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

To me, Palin's inability to deal with the likes of Andree McLeod and the Bristol Bay Alliance does cast doubt on her ability to deal with Ahmedinejad and al-Qaeda.

You're right. She should have called out the National Guard and bombed them to within an inch of their lives.

Jason said...

I'm thinking Nobel Pee Prize.

Kensington said...

Who knew that the Democrats, the party of "tea baggers" and "Sarah Palin is A C___" tee-shirts, had such delicate sensibilities?

They really are more complex, aren't they?

EDH said...

There is no substance to Owens' charge.

If Limbaugh had said "shot every RINO" instead of "screwed," what would be left of his argument?

Everyone knows what "screwed" means, anyway, and the people Rush said got screwed by Scozzafava are her putative allies and Limbaugh's opponents.

Owens is just hoping the press will run with the tenuous sexual allusion to Hoffmans detriment.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Recall the boy wonder also sold out the czechs and poles so he could become Putin's butt boy.

Yes and then the Russians and Belarus ran wargames which included a nuke strike on Poland.

We can only pray the next 3 years go quick and we let the adults back in.

Maguro said...

A better tactic -- that would have shown leadership -- would be to change the laws that hamstrung her. Instead of the Run Away! Run Away! tactic

Come now, MM, it is an obvious conflict of interest for a governor to attempt to try to change laws that are costing her money. If she'd tried what you suggest, everyone would've said that she ought to resign and let someone without a personal interest in the matter change the law.

Joe M. said...

To me, Palin's inability to deal with the likes of Andree McLeod and the Bristol Bay Alliance does cast doubt on her ability to deal with Ahmedinejad and al-Qaeda.

Hah! Good one, FLS.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

A better tactic -- that would have shown leadership -- would be to change the laws that hamstrung her. Instead of the Run Away! Run Away! tactic.

So the better tactic is to spend months and more likely YEARS to nogotiate with the Alaska legistlature and get THEM to pass a bill (because the Governor doesn't make legislation). Have you paid any attention to how legislatures across this country actually work? They work at a snail's pace and most often don't work at all.

In the meantime, besides wasting years of time on this effort and continuing to fend off stupid lawsuits and allegations, the important business of the State is derailed.

Much better to totally immerse your self into the septic tank and try to bail it out with a teaspoon.

Yep...that's a way better idea than giving over the leadership of the State/company to someone who will be able to get things accomplished.

Synova said...

Crack, that ties into what I call the Scooby-Doo theory of everything.

When Scooby-Doo began it was about rationality and reason winning over superstition and fear. The ghosts were never real. There was always a scientific and rational explanation... usually involving human vice. But the lesson was always not to believe or be controlled by fear of the supernatural... which didn't exist.

Sometime after the globe trotters, Phillis Diller and Don Knots, and before Scrappy-Doo... the ghosts turned real.

Like most things I imagine it will go in cycles. It's amazing to me just how accepting of paranormal idiocy people are today while still believing themselves objective and rational (but it doesn't count, I suppose, so long as *traditional* religion is being rejected).

We'll know we're past irrationality when the next Scooby-Doo special involves "the gang" uncovering the money making scam of a Sweat Lodge Cultist.

Big Mike said...

Why should conservatives be the only ones who have to watch what they say, while liberals can get away with all sorts of sexual slurs (Letterman) and character assassination? Probably because our parents taught us to have better manners than that. However, now is the time to play just as dirty and just as hard as the scum sucking libtards.

I'm with you, DBQ. Even my petite, raven-haired beauty is steamed up at the Dumbocrats right now. Takes a lot to get her angry; it only took a few months for Barack Obama and Chicago-style politics to accomplish this and today Creigh Deeds is paying for it.

Synova said...

"Why should conservatives be the only ones who have to watch what they say, while liberals can get away with all sorts of sexual slurs (Letterman) and character assassination? Probably because our parents taught us to have better manners than that."

It's the hypocrisy.

If you were never taught manners or claim to have manners then a lack of manners is excused.

Quayle said...

This despicable attack on Assemblywoman Scozzafava offends me

Let's be honest, most of these dirt bag politicians in our system no longer have any conscience, sensibilities, or feelings to offend.

They're past feeling.

mona said...
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elHombre said...

Once again, el Rushbo commits the cardinal sin: He violates a left winger's right to not be offended.

For shame!

And here's another babbling inanity from fls: With her gone, those who are appalled by Limbaugh's intemperate language will vote for the respectful Owens.

This is really what passes for thinking among moonbats: that Limbaugh's comment has something to do with the relative qualifications and desirability of the candidates.

Unbelievable.

Synova said...

Anyhoo...

I'm waiting for the "What don't you understand about a JOKE" people who defended Letterman to start demanding that what Limbaugh said was a JOKE and Owens should get over it.

(Though to be fair, Limbaugh failed to mention any of Scozzafava's minor children, so...)

JAL said...

That's one way to spin it. A better tactic -- that would have shown leadership -- would be to change the laws that hamstrung her.

Yeah right. Then the harpys (ies?) would be attacking for changing state statutes to protect her own interests.

Damned if she did, damned if she didn't.

Get real.

MadisonMan said...

This is why one has allies in the Legislature -- to carry water when you need laws changed.

What will Sarah Palin do if she is President (I initially typed when [laugh]) and lawsuits are brought? Resign?

Invisible Man said...

Yep...that's a way better idea than giving over the leadership of the State/company to someone who will be able to get things accomplished.

Excuses are like belly buttons, etc. etc. But really, if Palin can't do better under tough conditions than some lame random Lt. Governor in Alaska, why do we think she's anything special?

rdkraus said...

Dems and Libs are ones disappointed at Palin for choosing not to be in Alaska fighting bogus ethics charges. Much better for them than having her exert an obvious and effective influence in national politics as a conservative force.

mona said...

What’s interesting to me about your comment of Sc’s feminist harm – how is what’s happening up there helping feminism, in the long run? Hoffman’s got the right view on the litmus test, apparently, but how far do they take this? Where are all the potential women candidates that have the same view, that then get elected, growing that branch of the feminist tree? Where’s the progress on the feminist front anywhere in this story?

(corrective comment from earlier)

Invisible Man said...

What will Sarah Palin do if she is President (I initially typed when [laugh]) and lawsuits are brought? Resign?,

Don't worry Madison, we'll just here how haaarrrdd it is (teardrop). Again, no one ever, ever has it as tough as Ms. Victimhood.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Excuses are like belly buttons, etc. etc. But really, if Palin can't do better under tough conditions than some lame random Lt. Governor in Alaska, why do we think she's anything special


wooooosssh.

AJ Lynch said...

Let's see... Al Gore can rant like a lunatic villain straight out of a James Bond movie and screech that "Bush betrayed this country".... and the MoveOn.org pussies can run an ad in the NY Times that calls a high ranking general 'General BetrayUs'.

So did Owens condemn those acts by his own party?

mccullough said...

It's more than a bit disingenious to tie Hoffman to Limbaugh's comments. A common political tactic, though.

The problem for Obama here is that he opened up this seat by appointing the former Repub. congressman as Sec. of the Army. He also beat McCain in this district.

If Hoffman wins, Obama will have a lot of egg on his face and another political defeat on his hands going into 2010.

Also, the political strategy of excoriating Rush Limbaugh and the right wing nuts will have failed and it's the only political strategy Axelrod/Emmaneul/Obama have.

So in 1 year, Obama will have proven he's not only not a competent president but he's not even a competent politician.

Time to get rid of Axelrod/Emmaneul and Jarret and get some new political advisors.

From Inwood said...

Based on my having lived for two weeks in two summers 40+ years ago in NY 23 & having successfully gotten a fellow soldier out of the Watertown jail (state of the art then) after he was arrested for urinating in public (on the juke box – remember them? – in a bar, in which the patrons were shocked, shocked), having spent a lifetime watching cartoons, & having read the WSJ interview of the new NEA chairman today, let me give my expert opinion on the following:

(1) People in NY 23 don’t like public urination, but the NEA head does & so kudos to Hoosier Daddy.

(2) Kudos to whatever kev said that when he heard “despicable”, he thought of Daffy Duck.

(3) Prof A has it right, the candidate formerly known as “Republican” has given the RINO game away. But, alas, with the apparent disenfranchisement of military voters & early voting, it’s hard to predict who will win, either in the initial tally or the tally after the outside lawyers are parachuted in by Soros & it’s Minnesota 2008 all over.

(4) On the other hand, Republican Conservatives in NE Queens (Bayside) have nominated for NYC Council a former Irish RC from Da Bronx who now “practices Theodism, a neo-pagan faith based on the tribal religions of European Germanic people.”
link
Words fail, though I’m sure that C4 will make some connection here to the Joos & neo-cons.

PS I just caught Synova's comment of 10:32. Good one

Hoosier Daddy said...

What will Sarah Palin do if she is President (I initially typed when [laugh]) and lawsuits are brought? Resign?

Don't worry MM. Obama will be in office for the next 8-10 years anyway.

G Joubert said...

I'm thinking the frivolous ethics complaints weren't really why Sarah Palin quit. After the election she looked around and she found she had before her a veritable smorgasboard of lucrative opportunities, mainly the book deal and an endless supply speaking engagement requests at 100k per. She couldn't realize any of it while still governor. She decided to go for it.

And I'm a Palin supporter.

Scott M said...

This is why one has allies in the Legislature -- to carry water when you need laws changed.

What will Sarah Palin do if she is President (I initially typed when [laugh]) and lawsuits are brought? Resign?


This entire discussion is meaningless without knowing the makeup of Congress during a potential Palin administration. I could just as easily argue that a Hillary administration would be likewise hamstrung simply based on the level of knee-jerk hatred many on the right have her that particular harpy/misspeaker/don’t recaller/sniper dodger. I personally believe that her resignation will be a political liability regardless if it was the right thing to do or not. It WILL haunt her.

I have no idea why the left thinks Gen X and beyond conservatives believe we need to act like the Boomer conservatives and just continue on in the same stolid, prudish manner. I would have thought South Park would have disavowed you people that we can’t punch back twice as hard in the creative realm of political discourse.

Oh, and FLS, just admit that you’ve got severe ADD and we’ll all stop trying to get you to answer specific challenges to your own comments.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Don't worry Madison, we'll just here how haaarrrdd it is (teardrop). Again, no one ever, ever has it as tough as Ms. Victimhood.

While we currently listen to the current occupant blame his predecessor for everything.

See in the real world you get about 3 months to blame your predecessor for fucking things up and then you're expected to do the job interviewed for. Then again this is Obama's first real job....

Invisible Man said...

I'm thinking the frivolous ethics complaints weren't really why Sarah Palin quit. After the election she looked around and she found she had before her a veritable smorgasboard of lucrative opportunities, mainly the book deal and an endless supply speaking engagement requests at 100k per. She couldn't realize any of it while still governor. She decided to go for it.

Thank you for your honesty, dear sir!

Hoosier Daddy said...

After the election she looked around and she found she had before her a veritable smorgasboard of lucrative opportunities, mainly the book deal and an endless supply speaking engagement requests at 100k per.

Well it worked for Algore and all he's doing is making a profit doing the same thing as those nitwits on the streetcorner wearing the sign that says THE END IS NEAR!!!

elHombre said...

Mona wrote (on feminism): Owen’s got the right view on the litmus test, apparently, ....

"Apparently" is the operative word. "Feminism" relates to economic, political and social equality for women. It is not synonymous with "liberalism."

However, when a woman steps forward as the political equal of men, the "apparently" gives "liberals," male and female, license to repress her-- in Palin's case, savagely -- in furtherance of the "liberal" cause.

Owens' actions are just a gentler form of repression.

Invisible Man said...

See in the real world you get about 3 months to blame your predecessor for fucking things up and then you're expected to do the job interviewed for.

Then what does this make Bush:
…the senior administration official says the budgetary problems stem from what is believed to be inadequate defense, intelligence and homeland security resources that were handed down from Clinton.


Yes, this is in 2008.

rocketeer67 said...

This is why one has allies in the Legislature -- to carry water when you need laws changed.

That reminds me - how's that Health Insurance reform bill thing going for you guys? Got it passed with the help of your supermajorities yet?

garage mahal said...

Sarah Palin attending 5 colleges and quitting every job she has had actually means she's fighting. For us! She's a fighter. Like a barricuda!

Kensington said...

Hoosier Daddy:
"While we currently listen to the current occupant blame his predecessor for everything."

I'm surprised they haven't blamed Obama's weight loss on the Bushes cleaning out the refrigerator before they left.

Scott M said...


Then what does this make Bush:
…the senior administration official says the budgetary problems stem from what is believed to be inadequate defense, intelligence and homeland security resources that were handed down from Clinton.


Yes, this is in 2008.


It makes him incompetent and the reason I left the party in 2006.

Don't defend bad behavior by citing other bad behavior. Doing so keeps your argument in the realm of my 5-year-old's, "BUT SHE'S DOING IT TOOO!!!!"

gk1 said...

I appreciate all the liberals here trying to help the republicans out of the wilderness by rejecting a conservative like Hoffman. Bless you, you kind, kind souls. Sadly we didn't take your advice with Reagan. Perhaps we will learn and accept your wisdom on Sarah Palin.

Synova said...

Now... Clinton *did* downsize the military. It was "the peace dividend."

It takes, as they say, 10 years to make an NCO.

Synova said...

"After the election she looked around and she found she had before her a veritable smorgasboard of lucrative opportunities, mainly the book deal and an endless supply speaking engagement requests at 100k per."

All else being equal (it wasn't, but if it was) her political and monetary opportunities would have been enhanced by remaining governor, not reduced. Even those of us who think she did the right thing given the situation don't think that quitting *helped* her.

Scott M said...

Now... Clinton *did* downsize the military.

Another wonderful thing Clinton did to the military was institute “stress cards” given to recruits in basic training. If you felt they were coming down on you too hard, all you had to do was hold this card over your head and the DI’s had to back off. It was just after my time in basic, so I’m not sure how it worked in practice there on the spot, but I do know the quality of recruits we were getting out of Basic dropped off a cliff. It took years to right the ship, so to speak.

miller said...

Where do liberals get their pearls from that they so quickly clutch when strong language is used?

My my.

Invisible Man said...

It makes him incompetent and the reason I left the party in 2006.

Don't defend bad behavior by citing other bad behavior. Doing so keeps your argument in the realm of my 5-year-old's, "BUT SHE'S DOING IT TOOO!!!!"


If you can't differentiate between a near economic collapse a year ago, and eight years after a relatively mild recession, then you my friend should be in kindergarten. Let's not act like everytime we talk about the Reagan/Volcker economic policy we don't link that with Carter. It's because that makes sense and reflects reality. Political hacks can ignore reality to try to score some points (The economy was fine before that dagnabit Obama ruined it) or you can be realistic and realize that Bush's economic policies failed and Obama does indeed have to clean up the mess.

If 8 years from now and we aren't any better than we are today, I'll rip Obama just as much as the hacks on this blog do. But I'm not deranged enough to join the "it's all Obama's fault" harpies until we've seen some daylight from miserable Bush years.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Then what does this make Bush:


Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events but Bush isn't President anymore. Obama is.

Please make a note of it.

Hoosier Daddy said...

But I'm not deranged enough to join the "it's all Obama's fault" harpies until we've seen some daylight from miserable Bush years.


I also suggest you brush up on some reading comprehension. I didn't say it was Obama's fault, I'm asking him to quit crying like a pussy about what he 'inherited'. He didn't inherit anything. He asked for the fucking job.

Right now the only thing I see changing is the fucking deficit going through the roof with more reckless spending and continued aimless wandering on Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, outside of his worldwide apology tour it's not much different than Bush.

Stone said...

It's about on the same level of objectionable-ness as, say, news-anchors giggling and punning about "teabagging." So, uh, yeah. That's actually pretty objectionable.

I don't think that's quite what was so scandalous about "teabagger". What was really scandalous was that here you had news anchors, who are supposed to be evenhanded, snarking away like they're passionate advocates for leftism. It unmasked them, revealed them for the leftists that they really are and have been all along. That's what really caught the attention. Rush Limbaugh isn't pretending to be anything other than a passionate advocate for conservatism. Rush hasn't been unmasked because he was never wearing a mask.

former law student said...

This is really what passes for thinking among moonbats: that Limbaugh's comment has something to do with the relative qualifications and desirability of the candidates.

"Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are." --Cervantes

Hoosier Daddy said...

"Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are." --Cervantes

Funny, I was saying the same thing about Obama after I found out Reverend Wright is his spiritual mentor and he is pals with Bill Ayres. I'd say his pick of Jones and Dunn pretty much confirm who he is.

Thanks FLS; you can toss out a gem every so often.

mccullough said...

Invisible Man:

W. was incompetent, too. But he did not sign a poorly-designed $787 billion stimulus package into law and say it would keep unemployment below 8%. That was Obama.

W. also did not propose an unaffordable health-care plan during a time when unemployment was almost 10%. That was Obama.

The point of a stimulus, if it is to work, is to restore consumer and business confidence so they begin to spend and invest again (the C and B in the GDP equation).

An expensive, unaffordable health care plan (that does not even cover everyone) does not inspire consumer and business confidence.

Obama's initial rationale was to reduce the costs of health insurance and health care, which would be a great idea. But since all the proposed plans would increase the costs, he and the proponents changed the rationale. Instead, he should have scrapped the plan.

That he hasn't shows he's a highly-partisan ideologue. Does that remind you of any other president?

elHombre said...

If 8 years from now and we aren't any better than we are today, I'll rip Obama just as much as the hacks on this blog do.

Here's Invisible Man pretending to be an objective observer of presidential practices. Obama does this too, pretends that nobody remembers what he says from one day to the next.

There is something in the genetic makeup of lefties that prevents them from playing it straight.

IM, you voted for Obama and before that Kerry and, if old enough, before that alGore. No matter how Obama screws up, you will support him, just as you ignore his screwups now. And you will vote for the next candidate the Dems put up and the ones after that -- however corrupt and stupid.

Even with your head in the sand, your are not invisible to us.

Comrade X said...

Owens is worse than Hitler. I'd like to lower Scozzafava's testicles into his mouth.

elHombre said...

Thanks FLS; you can toss out a gem every so often.

A gift that keeps on giving.

elHombre said...

11:39 correction: "... you are not invisible ...."

ricpic said...

I thought the mark of all the beautiful liberated leftist people is complete and open frankness about and lip smacking relish for all things sexual. But the wrong person makes a joke with a sexual reference and they're suddenly shocked! shocked! Hypocrites.

Rose said...

Well, we've taken to referring to Anderson Cooper as the "Teabagging expert." And I agree with the comment above that what was particularly shocking was that national NEWS anchors took to sniggering on air, participating in the denigration of ordinary citizens who had the audacity to say "Read the bill before you sign it." What we saw happen in this last election, with the viciousness of the attacks on Sarah Palin, and now on ordinary citizens is quite astounding.

Perhaps they have become corrupted by their environment. "Teabagging" was not in the lexicon of the normal populace.

The so-called journalists are going to have to do alot to repair the damage they have done to their own profession. FOX proves that investigative journalism is not yet dead, and all the good ones are moving to FOX. Gonna be an interesting year.

elHombre said...

Where do liberals get their pearls from that they so quickly clutch when strong language is used?

Just the usual hypocrisy. Until recently, anyway, there was a huge imbalance between the use of strong language by the left and the right on the internet.

Comrade X said...

we've taken to referring to Anderson Cooper as the "Teabagging expert

so has the Google:

Results 1 - 10 of about 61,100 for teabagging expert Anderson Cooper. (0.41 seconds)

Republican said...

Rush is competing with Glenn Beck now-and it's sweeps month.

Talking about bestiality reminds me of the photoshop I saw yesterday, of Sarah Palin wearing a leopard thong, spear in hand-standing over a RHINO.

Sarah Palin, future president and sexy scantily dressed RHINO slayer.

I am looking forward to the day she is promoted to Commie slayer!

Synova said...

http://bestdamncreativewritingblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/barbarian.jpg

Never seen this, I take it?

former law student said...

Until recently, anyway, there was a huge imbalance between the use of strong language by the left and the right on the internet.

And, if the good voters of upstate New York spent enough time on the internet to appreciate this distinction, that might be significant.

But for those not keeping a running total of leftist iniquity, what actually happened here is that the great and powerful Rush attacked their Dede. Then the chivalrous Bill Owens came to her defense.

A vote for Owens is a vote for civility!

Big Mike said...

@Synova. I linked. Words fail me.

Original Mike said...

This is so dopey. I saw Hoffman last night on TV. He was as mild mannered as they come.

Eric said...

…the senior administration official says the budgetary problems stem from what is believed to be inadequate defense, intelligence and homeland security resources that were handed down from Clinton.

What makes you think this "senior administration official" actually exists? I doubt half the unnamed sources you read about exist. The fact is Obama himself is still whining after a year into his presidency. Did Bush do that?

Hoosier Daddy said...

But for those not keeping a running total of leftist iniquity, what actually happened here is that the great and powerful Rush attacked their Dede. Then the chivalrous Bill Owens came to her defense.

Indeed. The Dauphin found good use for Joan of Arc for a time as well.

Balfegor said...

I don't think that's quite what was so scandalous about "teabagger". What was really scandalous was that here you had news anchors, who are supposed to be evenhanded, snarking away like they're passionate advocates for leftism. It unmasked them, revealed them for the leftists that they really are and have been all along.

Really? That's what was scandalous? That news anchors turned out to be rabid liberals? Oh, shock, horror! Didn't we know that already? I mean, remember Dan Rather and his ludicrous faked up military records? Did anyone honestly think his overweening leftist bias was exceptional? If everyone knows they're biased, and the "objective" pose is all nudges and winks and nods, I don't think we can call it scandalous when it turns out that yes, that's exactly right.

I think the bit that was scandalous was that they were tittering like middle schoolers over extremely dirty sex jokes on primetime news. There's a time and a place for that kind of thing, and that time and place is not the nightly news. At least save it for comedy news, like the Daily Show.

garage mahal said...

Already heard of some voter fraud going on. Seems some black people are out voting. Stay tuned...

Synova said...

Big Mike, Google "Barack the Barbarian" or "Red Sarah".

Apparently the comics are pro-Obama, but they're sort of funny, too. (I think that the blond on the cover of the second one is supposed to be Ann Coulter.)

Synova said...

And when the military absentee ballots are invalidated through no fault of those in the military, I expect you to be right there explaining how "those are the rules," garage.

Don't let me down.

(Wait... there are probably *black* people in the military! Oh, what *will* you do! The anguish, the torment!)

Crimso said...

"Already heard of some voter fraud going on. Seems some black people are out voting. Stay tuned..."

Probably have black supremacists carrying weapons at the polling places and intimidating whitey. Hear that's a-okay now.

reader_iam said...

I agree with Balfegor.

I think the bit that was scandalous was that they were tittering like middle schoolers over extremely dirty sex jokes on primetime news.

Indeed. It was especially fun trying *not* to explain what was supposed to be so funny about teabags, to not only my son but also my parents and inlaws.

Hoosier Daddy said...

And when the military absentee ballots are invalidated through no fault of those in the military, I expect you to be right there explaining how "those are the rules," garage.

Well to garage all those military types are war criminals and don't deserve to vote anyway.

reader_iam said...

Garage Mahal: Racist!

garage mahal said...

Probably have black supremacists carrying weapons at the polling places and intimidating whitey. Hear that's a-okay now.

Probably.

Quasimodo said...

"After the election she looked around and she found she had before her a veritable smorgasboard of lucrative opportunities, mainly the book deal and an endless supply speaking engagement requests at 100k per."

unlike charlie rangle, unlike congressman frozen cash, etc.

Crimso said...

"Probably."

Considering it has in fact occurred and let stand, I'll stick by that "probably." You go ahead and stick by your assertion ("Hey! It's just a joke!") that allowing blacks to vote is voter fraud. And I realize it was a joke on your part. What's not a joke is when black supremacists are permitted to blatantly intimidate voters without repercussion. Guess Whitey deserves it, eh?

Synova said...

Except that the voters being intimidated were also black... not white.

Synova said...

Now... the real sorry thing here is that "Republican" is so busy clutching pearls that she forgot to link the photoshop of Sarah Rhino-killer.

garage mahal said...

What's not a joke is when black supremacists are permitted to blatantly intimidate voters without repercussion. Guess Whitey deserves it, eh?

Can you elaborate?

Crimso said...

"Can you elaborate?"

Yes.

garage mahal said...

Awesome.

David said...

Scoccafava had two big problems that lead to her withdrawal.

1. Her name reminds everyone of bean soup. (The literal translation of Scozzafava is "scuzzy bean.")

2. She was a lousy candidate, who was unable to capitalize on a number of apparent advantages.

Basically she is having a hissy fit. This was her turn to go to Washington and these pesky voters are not playing her game.

Crimso said...

Need for me to?

Hoosier Daddy said...

What's not a joke is when black supremacists are permitted to blatantly intimidate voters without repercussion. Guess Whitey deserves it, eh?

Garage is reserving his concern over the teabagging black guy carrying the machine gun at the anti-American protest rally last summer and not about a couple of black panthers opening the doors for folks at the polling place.

See, if you try these liberal sunglasses, the world does look much different. Wow! There just went a unicorn!

Crimso said...

Go to www.google.com and then type in "new black panther voter intimidation" and read resulting links.

And how did we manage to veer so far from the topic here? What does any of this have to do with Sarah Palin? (That's sarcasm, BTW).

Big Mike said...

@Synova, thanks. But I think I'll wait until I'm home -- I have a funny feeling that they're NSFW.

garage mahal said...

See, if you try these liberal sunglasses, the world does look much different. Wow! There just went a unicorn!

Evidenced by the complete drubbing conservatives have been taking at the polls the past 3 yrs? Take some stock and look at crazies who are leading the conservative movement, and tell me who is wearing sunglasses. I know you never will mind you.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Take some stock and look at crazies who are leading the conservative movement, and tell me who is wearing sunglasses. I know you never will mind you.

I'll let you know after the 2010 elections garage. Right now your side isn't exactly causing tingles up any legs. Hell your side can't even get enough of its own to vote through President Shortpants pet project.

Scott M said...

Come on, garage. Please defend polling location voter intimidation…overtly racial voter intimidation…and then please defend the Justice Dept subsequent dropping of the charges. Please try to do so with a straight face.

Roger J. said...

Things will change Garage, they always do. Recall the elections of 1993; recall the elections of 2006; and we can go back to the 1798 and 1824--ruling majorities do not last in American politics. Might want to ponder that piece of american electoral politics. Your guys will be up for a while; but only for a while.

Clyde said...

Screw Bill Owens and the RINO he rode in on! And screw all of the Democrats who used the term "teabagger" and are now acting offended. Screw them, each and every one, in every single orifice!

Hoosier Daddy said...

The problem with liberals like garage is that they think THIS time it’s different. But as you say, the pendulum ever swings. Obama and his pals are doing the classic overreach and its showing in the polls. Obama and his socialist brethren know they have his one shot to pass a $1 trillion dollar nightmare of a health care bill at a time when unemployment is 10% and probably going to rise even more with this POS legislation not to mention miring us in debt that is going to require pre-Kennedy era tax rates just to pay the interest.

Yes that will be a real winning platform for the dim bulbs to have their names in the Yea column.

Republican said...

Synova: << Now... the real sorry thing here is that "Republican" is so busy clutching pearls that she forgot to link the photoshop of Sarah Rhino-killer. >>

Heck, I don't even own pearls. But-if I did, I'd cast them before all swine.

The graphic I saw of Palin, was in a thread at Freak Republic. I didn't copy it, and have no idea now which thread.

It was hilarious.

Your link is not. Obama is too skinny to be perceived as beefcakey.

garage mahal said...

The problem with liberals like garage is that they think THIS time it’s different..

Eh, liberals have been winning. I expect things to be the same. Exactly what policies again do you think liberals are out of the mainstream on?

Scott M said...

@garage

lol really???

BTW you didn't acknowledge the Black Panther thing. I assume that means you know you're wrong and won't admit it.

Fred4Pres said...

Regardless of how this turns out, all I can say is Dede Scozzafava and Newt Gingrich put on quite the Tijuana Donkey Show in upstate New York.

Alex said...

I really love Althoue because she's so even-handed when it comes to making crude sexual jokes. If lefties like Maher can get away with it, so should Rush.

garage mahal said...

BTW you didn't acknowledge the Black Panther thing. I assume that means you know you're wrong and won't admit it..

Why don't you just send me the damn link!?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Eh, liberals have been winning. I expect things to be the same. Exactly what policies again do you think liberals are out of the mainstream on?

Ok garage. Liberals won in 06 and 09. You own the House, the Senate and the big boy chair in the White House. Now unless you haven't been paying attention, and it's obvious from your question, Obambi's trillion dollar boondoggle doesn't thrill a whole lot of people including plenty in your own party.

Lets talk after the 2010 elections.

Alex said...

FLS - you are deluded if you think Rush's comment will lose the election for Hoffman.

Crimso said...

"Why don't you just send me the damn link!?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1

Pay particular attention to the statements made by one Bartle Bull if you actually dare to read the piece.

Scott M said...

@garage

Exactly what policies again do you think liberals are out of the mainstream on?

If the subtext of that questions was the statement, “liberal ideals are the mainstream,” or, “conservatives are out of the mainstream,” my answer would start with the point that only someone who believes that the citizenry of this country is center-left. I believe to be demonstrably center-right and this is born out again and again, much to the left’s chagrin.

Alex said...

Scott M - the country is center right as witnessed by the blue dogs blocking the public option - for the moment. But that can change real fast if the blue dogs sense the country is leaning center-left. These people have no scruples.

Henry said...

Beware the metaphor! Perhaps Rush is trying to outdo Frank Rich. Metaphorically having sex with animals must be worse than being a metaphorical Stalinist, but I'm sure that I can't say why.

garage mahal said...

I believe to be demonstrably center-right and this is born out again and again, much to the left’s chagrin..

Born out where? Polling? Election results?

Alex said...

garage - as long as the Blue Dogs keep blocking a real public option, the country is effectively center-right. Keep deluding yourself that majority Democrat = left wing country.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I believe to be demonstrably center-right and this is born out again and again, much to the left’s chagrin..

Forget it. garage is convinced that Democrat wins in 2006 and 2009is all one needs to determine the overwhelming trend that we have become a liberal leaning nation.

If the Dems win even more seats or hell, if they just hold what they have in 2010 then I'll concede the point and get out my little red book and start singing the praises of Mao just like Obambi's communication's director.

Original Mike said...

Garage - If you were truly unaware of the Black Panther incident and subsequent Justice Dept actions, you need to expand your sources of news.

joated said...

Rush's comments are so much less offensive than those of some one like Matthews or Olbermann that they can not even be compared.

Scozzafava's actions after dropping out speak far more about the turth of the tag she got for being not just a RINO but a leftwing operative that it isn't humorous...just dispicable. And now her partner in this charade is out defending her? Please!

Scott M said...

@garage

I believe to be demonstrably center-right and this is born out again and again

Born out where? Polling? Election results?

Just for starters, the fact that MLS is one of the least popular professional sports, while football is king of the mountain...that alone gives me a lot of hope.

And don't get me started on the difference between football (a sport) and NASCAR (a competition).

Balfegor said...

Re: Alex:

Scott M - the country is center right as witnessed by the blue dogs blocking the public option - for the moment. But that can change real fast if the blue dogs sense the country is leaning center-left. These people have no scruples.

Ye-es . . . but that's kind of the genius of democracy, no? That within certain limits, leaders either have to bend to the public will, regardless of their private principles, or be broken, and find themselves replaced by new servants who will bend to the will of their Master. No, this process doesn't work perfectly, but what you're outlining is a situation where it more or less works as intended.

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garage mahal said...

ScottM
Haha.

former law student said...

1. Her name reminds everyone of bean soup. (The literal translation of Scozzafava is "scuzzy bean.")

Actually, not quite. In the old Calabrian dialect, "Scozzafava" was an occupational surname meaning "bean sheller." (In Italian, "scozza" would be more like "sgusciare")

Pogo said...

My ancestor's occupation was starvation, which in gaelic was stiÃēgtha, which was too hard to actually pronounce, so they just drank heavily.

Shelling beans was not an occupation, lacking beans as they did.

former law student said...

Garage - If you were truly unaware of the Black Panther incident and subsequent Justice Dept actions, you need to expand your sources of news.

Three men dressed as paramilitaries stood in front of one polling place in Philadelphia. One tapped a police nightstick against the palm of his hand.

Whoever thought this was a big deal needs to recalibrate.

The court ordered the tapper, one Samir Shabazz, to remain 100 feet away from any polling place, when armed in the future.

They seem to have been the left's version of sidewalk abortion counselors.

former law student said...

pogo, if you would like to kick the arses of the Limey bastards who left your ancestors to starve, I would hold them upright for you.

Scott M said...

I don’t want to open up the whole BP-Philly thing because it’s a tad off-topic. However, if you think (and apparently you do through your use minimizing language) that this wasn’t a big deal, you’re the one who needs recalibrating. I’ll even grant you that it’s not as big a deal as what Justice did afterward.

Standing outside an American polling facility with both visual and verbal intimidation is about as un-American as it gets. Let’s put white sheets, hoods, and burning crosses (simulated, of course) in the hands of skinheads outside a polling station in, say, East Saint Louis, and see if you still think its not a big deal. Further, alluding to the aforementioned Justice Dept’s part in this little debacle, I’m betting full charges would be leveled.

chickenlittle said...

In Italian, "scozza" would be more like "sgusciare

In Italian, la Scozza means Scotland.

Bean me up Scotty!

Pogo said...

Thanks fls, but as Irish luck would have it, most of the fault was our own.

As Donald Akenson told in his 2-volume tale of the Irish diaspora, "An Irish history of civilization", they had a farming failure by lack of diversity.

But hold a grudge, we will.

Original Mike said...

Whoever thought this was a big deal needs to recalibrate.

My jaw just dropped to the floor. Did you see the video?

AllenS said...

I got this for "scozza" "it shuffles".

AllenS said...

I got this for "fava" "fava bean".

So, she's an Italian version of the Mexican jumping bean. Anybody remember those?

Pogo said...

A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with Scozzafava beans and a nice chianti.

AllenS said...

From wikipedia--

Jumping beans were used as a recurring gag in many cartoons from the 1930s to the 1950s, wherein eating the beans would cause a character's whole body to bounce out of control and land on something painful.

She must have landed on a jagged edged Democrat.

Synova said...

Seeing as poll watchers in suits were cited as a violation of civil rights and voter intimidation in Ohio ...

Yeah, it's a big deal if someone dressed in paramilitary gear is standing outside a polling station smacking his hand with a billy club and using racial slurs.

But it's an even bigger deal that political appointees put a nix on any actual follow through by the justice department.

former law student said...

Scott M -- you'd be even more appalled to learn that the DOJ did not even follow up on cases of voter intimidation in New Mexico last year, much less be in a position to drop charges. Their targets were elderly women.

Listen to this:

Guadalupe Bojorquez said a man who identified himself as a private investigator by the name of Al Romero visited the home of her 67-year-old mother on Wednesday.

“She calls me and she’s panicked because there is this man outside and he’s telling her he’s an investigator and he wants to come in to the house,” Bojorquez told NMI. She said her mother then put the man on the phone.

“I asked him, but he wouldn’t tell me who he worked for. He just said he wanted to verify that she was a legitimate voter and he wanted to see her documents. I told him ‘No,’ and we argued for a little bit.

...

Bojorquez said her mother felt wary about the visit.

“My mom is confused because she doesn’t understand why she’s being put through this because she voted. She doesn’t trust anybody anymore,” Bojorquez said, requesting that her mother’s name not be published again.

Another woman visited by the private investigator:

“It freaked me out when he got upset, when I did tell him that, regardless of what happens, my grandmother is voting and it’s OK for her to vote.”

“He tried to tell me to tell her to be careful when she’s voting. He was trying to tell me stuff to scare her from voting.”

The private investigator later revealed he had been hired by GOP attorney Patrick Rogers. At least ten elderly women had been harassed by this GOP operative. Both the ACLU and MALDEF filed suit; the DOJ was not interested.

http://newmexicoindependent.com/6457/nm-gop-accused-of-voter-intimidation

Dust Bunny Queen said...

FLS thinks that black panthers intimidating and threatening people at a polling place is no big deal.

My jaw just dropped to the floor. Did you see the video?

Of course he did. But he watched it like a liberal. Eyes closed and fingers in his ears chanting "lalalalalalal I can't hear you".

If the situation were reversed. Southern white guys with billy clubs wearing their KKK party clothing outside of a pollin place in a black or ethnic neighborhood, the shit would hit the fan and you would never hear the end of whining from FLS.

Hypocrite much?

Penny said...

"But it's an even bigger deal that political appointees put a nix on any actual follow through by the justice department."

They didn't want to rile up the inner city "troops" who, remarkably, were finally getting involved in the politics of change.

dick said...

MM,

I doubt that Owens would want to try to tie Scozzafava to out of state support. That might bring up the question of where did all his funding come from and I would bet that most of it came from out of state as did the support of the national Dem party. It would also bring up the question of where Zero got all his funding and he sure don't want to go there!!

Scott M said...

@FLS

I'll certainly look into the incident you cite and, if it's true, you would be right in calling it out.

I fail to see what that has to do with our thread of conversation.

Why is it the knee-jerk reaction of a liberal to defend bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior.

How about we judge each on it's own merit? The Black Panthers were not intimidating voters in Philly in retribution for what happened to some old woman(women?) in NM.

Non-sequitur.

Care to admit you were wrong in catagorizing Philly as "no big deal"?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Why is it the knee-jerk reaction of a liberal to defend bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior

Because they generally have the emotional maturity of an 11 year old. When caught with their hands in the cookie jar or some other transgression their first thought is to say.....Ya BUT Bush/Joey/Sally/his imaginary friend...did it worse, first. The Bart Simpson method of: I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you can't prove a thing.

Put the blame somewhere else....look !!! a squirrel.

Penny said...

"Put the blame somewhere else....look !!! a squirrel."

Speaking of squirrel...well two really. I saw the sweetest thing today, right outside my window. I guess this is the wrong thread though. Should probably head over to the love post with the details.

Maybe later. We're still celebrating the sweetness that is Meade and Althouse, and rightfully so.

former law student said...

Hey, if the right-wing lets slide armed gunmen intimidating voters at a Baptist church back in 2006, it's hard for me to work up outrage about a guy carrying only a billy club in 2008. from Mother Jones (also at the Tucson Citizen) Sorry no youtube:

On Election Day, a posse of three men in Tucson, Ariz., proved that the Wild West still lives.

The group, which was three strong, and allegedly composed of two anti-immigration activists, Russ Dove and Roy Warden, carried a camcorder, a clipboard -- on which, they said, was information about a proposed law to make English the state's official language -- and a gun. While one man would approach a voter, holding the clipboard, another would follow, pointing the video camera at them. The third would stand behind, holding his hand to the gun at his hip in what activists on the other side called classic voter intimidation tactics in a precinct one local paper had previously declared the bellwether of the area's Hispanic vote.

It's not the first time Dove and Warden have been accused of this type of act. Dove, who is a convicted felon and former militia member, patrolled Arizona's polls in 2004 as well, and Warden has publicly burned a Mexican flag (for which he was charged with arson) and acknowledged that he sought a concealed-carry permit for a gun, partly in hopes of enticing a local police officer to attack him and force Warden to use deadly force in self-defense.

Cedarford said...

Some points:

1. People saying the voters must vote for or against a candidate simply because of an insult some uneclected pundit on the Left or Right - are stupid.

2. Haley Barbour, who helped build REpublican majorities before the Bush debacles - noted Republicans must come in all flavors. Because there is no way to transplant a Mississippi Baptist good ol' boy to become a George Pataki, and no way for a Jodi Rell to go to Texas and win.
"To me, calling someone like Senator Snowe, who votes with Republicans 80% of the time as a RINO to be purged is stupid. And it is usually by people that can't stop talking about how much they love Joe Lieberman, even though he votes with liberal Democrats 95% of the time."
Barbour went on to say that if he could swap out the Senate seats in New England outside Maine, and in New York...with clones of Gregg, Collins, and Snowe....it would be great for Republicans and the nation.

3. Barry Goldwater became more Libertarian in his later years than Conservative. Being for gay marriage, drug legalization.

3. Reagan talked conservative but governed pragmatically and by compromise. Both as Cali's Gov and as President. He believed in evolution, He picked a liberal Pennsylvania Congressman, Richard Sweicker, as his proposed VP in 1976. He had many gay friends, and busied himself before his 1980 Presidential run campaigning passionately against the conservative's anti-homosexual Prop 6.

4. Nixon? He packed his Administration with bipartisan intellect. After losing every state in the Deep South outside the Carolinas and Texas to boot. His most notable programs were desegregating the schools (80% done under NIxon), equal opportunity, detente with the Communists, unilaterally disarming the US of biowar and nerve gas, Kenysian economics, SALT, the volunteer military. Saved Israel over Kissinger's objections. And Watergate derailed his two last, big programs: A comprehensive National Energy Program to get us off ME oil, and National Health Insurance - something Nixon was passionate about since he lost family members because they were too poor to get medical care..

Haley Barbour, Goldwater, Reagan, Nixon....all RINOs in Rush's eye?

Who cares about Rush. He is just an Olbermann, albeit far more talented and entertaining.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Hey, if the right-wing lets slide armed gunmen intimidating voters at a Baptist church back in 2006, it's hard for me to work up outrage about a guy carrying only a billy club in 2008.

Who said the right wing lets it slide? Evidently you just don't seem to give a shit about voter intimidation in any form.

I hope next time I go vote a couple of assholes try that shit with me. I really really hope they do.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Well on a different topic, I was able to turn my 12 year old daughter into a conservative with a perfect example of why she doesn't want to be a liberal. It was quite easy and I used a real world example.

Hoosier daughter babysits and actually makes a pretty good coin doing it. I explained to her that a liberal government advocates a progressive tax system which means the more you earn, the more you pay in taxes. So when she did an all day babysitting she was paid $80 and I explained that using the tax system that President Shortpants wants, she would be in the highest tax bracket (that was the most she ever earned in on sitting) and I would take 40% which means she has to give up $32 and she keeps the rest.

Needless to say she said that sucks and would not be voting Democrat when she turns 18. Good luck to the dipshit who tries to convert her to the feversawmps of liberalsim.

raf said...

Why the outrage over loanguage from a conservative when the libs routinely defend such usage by libs? It's an Alinsky thing. Hold your opponents to their own values. Civility is a conservative value, not a leftist one.

MadisonMan said...

Hoosier Daddy, it won't be necessary to convert her to liberalism. She will do it herself when she rebels against her upbringing :)

former law student said...

Needless to say she said that sucks and would not be voting Democrat when she turns 18.

$80 a day? Assuming she worked 250 days a year, that would be $20K -- a little less than twice the poverty level for a single person. Being well below the single person median income for every state of the union, she would be one of the people that conservatives assure us pay no taxes.

Good job convincing her that her entire income would be taxed at the highest marginal rate.

Roux said...

If you can't take the heat don't go into politics. Rush isn't attacking her personally. Did he file a formal ethics complaint against her? Did he attack her husband or her kids? Did he try to cause NY to pay for non-existent violations that needed to be investigated? No, No and hell no.

TmjUtah said...

I heard Limbaugh's opening monologue, and he made the salient point right at the end, as usual:

The Left, they have NO sense of humor.

I almost pity them. I really could, if they were merely the opposition.

But you must never, ever pity the enemy. Enemy is never merely opposition. Know the difference, and be honest in accepting it.

Penny said...

I hear you Cedarford.

Some GREAT things happen under the big tent.

Scott M said...

@FLS

I'll try one more time, but you keep missing the point. You just keep going on citing bad behavior to defend other bad behavior. You cede any moral high ground at all in doing so, both here and in threads future. Apparently it's only going to "get you worked up" if the other side is doing it.

And by the way, HD's daughter, if I read it right, was making more than she'd ever earned before babysitting...a simulated highest bracket.

I swear to God you're dense.

Hoosier Daddy said...

$80 a day? Assuming she worked 250 days a year, that would be $20K -- a little less than twice the poverty level for a single person. Being well below the single person median income for every state of the union, she would be one of the people that conservatives assure us pay no taxes.

Sigh. You must have missed the part where I mentioned she was 12 and made that babysitting. See I was giving her a lesson in how progressives view taxing people using her babysitting wages as an example. Basically the harder you work and the more you earn the more you hand over to Uncle Sugar. So when she spent the whole day babysitting and earned more money she would be in a higher tax bracket. That's the progressive system of marginal taxation.

Good job convincing her that her entire income would be taxed at the highest marginal rate.

Well there was a time when the marginal rate was 90% and I'm sure if Obambi had his way, it would be again so its not a radical concept. Actually she wasn't keen on the idea of the 40% bracket either.

amba said...

I mean, why did she quit in the first place? That's not what feminism taught women to do.

Wait, did he apply that to Palin??

former law student said...

So when she spent the whole day babysitting and earned more money she would be in a higher tax bracket. That's the progressive system of marginal taxation.

This is Joe the Plumber logic, to identify one's mediocre economic situation with that of the highest income earners.

Why not wait till she's making three or even four times the poverty level, before she starts worrying about being taxed at the rates of people earning a quarter-million a year?

former law student said...

In any event, civility and chivalry carried the day, and there is now one more Democratic Congressman from the state of New York.

vw:aessless -- chaps famously worn in the Pride Parade.

Alex said...

FLS - so why should someone making 250K pay more % then someone making 70K? What's the moral justification there?

Alex said...

FLS - Owens is a Blue Dog Dem and you will be denouncing him when he goes against Pelosi on the public option.

former law student said...

why should someone making 250K pay more % then someone making 70K?

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LoafingOaf said...

Election reults ----- NY-23 to Sarah Palin: GO BACK TO ALASKA, AIRHEAD. Hoffman lost. LOL. NY-23 hasn't gone Democrat for over a century, but thanks to Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck, a Democrat just won.

Revenant said...

I'm a crude person, but I thought the bestiality joke was a clever play on "screwed every RINO in the country".

Hoosier Daddy said...

Why not wait till she's making three or even four times the poverty level, before she starts worrying about being taxed at the rates of people earning a quarter-million a year?

You really are thick aren't you? The point of the exercise was to demonstrate that in the progressive/liberal mindset the harder you work and the more you earn, the more tax you end up paying.

And while I know Joe the Plumber really irks the leftists, what he asked Obama is spot on. Why I should work harder only to have the government confiscate a higher percentage of my income so he can spread the wealth in a manner HE sees fit is more than a legitimate question. Which is probably why it pisses off liberals.

Hoosier Daddy said...

NY-23 hasn't gone Democrat for over a century, but thanks to Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck, a Democrat just won.

Heh. Well I'd say the Obama magic didn't work out well for VA and NJ. I'd say that says a lot more about your party than some third party candidate narrowly losing to a blue dog democrat.

But hey, if that gets you to sleep at night you run with it!

Cut It said...

"Presumably, he knows it's easier for a Democrat to argue that he is the better liberal than to pit liberal values against conservative values. That is what he admitted, isn't it?"

Um, no. He's saying that it's a shame that, if you don't strictly follow the party line, you get called a RINO or whatever. And then you get accused of stuff like bestiality.

Rush: "I mean, why did she quit in the first place? That's not what feminism taught women to do."

Well, I guess Sarah Palin never claimed to be a feminist, so it's ok?

former law student said...

You really are thick aren't you? The point of the exercise was to demonstrate that in the progressive/liberal mindset the harder you work and the more you earn, the more tax you end up paying.

But your scenario was too far removed from reality. You would have had to start with, "Honey, let's say you made $800 for your day's work, not $80." You left out the progressive nature of marginal rates, and the zero bracket amount. Basically you tried to persuade her she would some day be in the top 1% of earners.

Do you prepare her in other ways for this top 1% future? How to dance at a cotillion, what to say when she's presented to the Queen, how to ride to hounds, how to appreciate wine?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Do you prepare her in other ways for this top 1% future? How to dance at a cotillion, what to say when she's presented to the Queen, how to ride to hounds, how to appreciate wine?

Nice FLS. You finally succeeded in proving what a fucking asshole you really are.