May 13, 2009

"Literary puke Christopher Hitchens leveled a vile, hateful attack against [Wanda] Sykes that wasn't meant to be a joke."

Politics Daily's Tommy Christopher wails. It's is the first I'm seeing of this. Apparently, Hitchens said: "The president should be squirming in his seat. Not smiling. The black dyke got it wrong. No one told her the rules." Tommy chides:
I haven't heard "boo" out of the right denouncing Hitchens for this, yet they want to portray their poobah, Rush Limbaugh, who imagines that people expect him to receive anal sex from the President just because he's black, as the poor widdle victim here.
Uh... boo.

IN THE COMMENTS: I say the joke was funny and the President wasn't laughing at it. I get some pushback.

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Thomas said...

Isn't it the left's job to police the left? (Isn't Hitchens on the left? Or, on the left again?)

Hoosier Daddy said...

Uh... boo..

Gesundheit.

Bob Sacamano said...

No one told the politically incorrect Brit the rules... you can denounce the religious and tell people they're beliefs are nonsense but you cannot use the word "dyke" to describe someone who would describe herself with that word.

A pure leftist would be allowed to use that word but not someone who is ideologically impure. Hitchens, a socialist, who supports aspects of the war against Islamic terror is not ideologically pure and is, therefore, considered a man of the Right by those of the Left.

There was another Left-leaning movement that was labeled "Right-leaning" by the hardest-left Socialists and Communists. Now, which movement was that?

TRO said...

Is "dyke" pejorative? Wiki says it was "reappropriated as a positive term implying assertiveness and toughness, or simply as a neutral synonym for lesbian."

http://tinyurl.com/pvrmof

At least he didn't wish her death by kidney failure.

AJ Lynch said...

Tommy is acting like the little kid who lives down the block.

Diamondhead said...

Is it news every time a public figure is insulted in a "vile, hateful fashion?" Or is it just news when the President of the United States finds the vile hatred laugh-out-loud funny?

Fen said...

"Maybe Elizabeth Edwards was part of the threeway, but she was so strung out from chemo that John and Reille started without her... I hope her kidneys fail and she dies"

Hardy har har!

No doubt Obama laughs at jew bashing jokes too. What a punk.

Methadras said...

I'm sorry, but what is this moronic leftist squealing about again?

Crimso said...

"Now, which movement was that?"

NSDAP?

TMink said...

I agree with Hitchens about a few things but generally find him a bit pompous. But rebuking a "vile, hateful" attack with insults is really quite funny!

Sly Stone had a song about that, "Don't Call Me N-word, Whitey."

I would insert something about the pot calling the kettle black, but I would not want to be misunderstood.

And for the record, Sykes makes me laugh when I see her on tv and she has to keep her material on the clean side. I think she can be very funny. But then I am a tolerant Evangelical conservative.

Trey

Hoosier Daddy said...

Were conservatives really 'outraged' that Limbaugh was the butt of a hateful joke?

I mean I wasn't mainly because I guess I'm rather numb to it. There was a time I was not so much outraged but surprised that folks who pride themselves on being progressive and would hold candlelight vigils for convicted murderers being executed would in turn wish painful death on someone simply for holding an opposing viewpoint.

Who was that chick who said she hoped Clarence Thomas's wife would feed him a lot of butter and bacon and eggs so he'd die soon. I think my desensitivity started around then.

Bissage said...

I once asked a lesbian if she’d like to call me her little Dutch boy and she slapped my face.

madawaskan said...

I think the real deal is turning 9/11 into a joke...

I guess that's going to happen sooner or later, but there's something weird about the first post-9/11 President kickin' it like that.

madawaskan said...

make that *trivializing* it like that.

traditionalguy said...

I love the term "literary puke" to describe Hitch. He is so literate that they Alinsky-attack on him personally goes after his most notable strength. No mention of whether he was right...just a crude insult followed by an equivalency diatribe about Public Enemy Limbaugh who also has said semi-insulting things in a different venue. The left really does act like a roaring lion seeking whom they may devour since Soros became their Sugar-daddy. Hitch is a problem for the left since his literary skills allow him to resist their Lions' roars and stand fast.

Sigivald said...

I'm not on "the Right", but this is the first I've heard of Hitchens saying that, and I'll happily "boo" him for being a prat.

On topics non-geopolitical, that's Hitchens' normal state, as near as I can tell.

Joan said...

I don't know why, but I continue to be mystified by this type of reaction.

Hitchens knows that Sykes is a black lesbian, but he went for "dyke" instead because it's pithy and pretty much guaranteed to get a rise out of some people. That's Hitchens' stock in trade.

What really got me about the linked article is that Christopher says "the President and I have the stones to say [Sykes] was wrong" but the article he links to quotes Gibbs, a mealy-mouthed WH spokesperson if ever there was one:

"a lot of topics are better left for serious reflection rather than comedy. I don't think there's any doubt that 9/11 is a part of that."

1) How, exactly does that answer the question of how the President felt about Sykes' comments regarding Limbaugh? It's completely non-responsive.

2) Why do we even need to ask the question? Don't we have video footage of the President laughing at Sykes' routine?

Absurd.

Ann Althouse said...

Look, the Sykes joke was funny. But it was out of place.

Rush has said he wants Obama to fail, and she was riffing on "fail." It's already been said that Rush wants "the country" to fail, so she didn't start that. She's just: You want the country to fail? I want *your kidneys* to fail!

That is a joke -- silly and outrageous at the same time.

Deal with it.

But Hitchens is right that the Prez shouldn't've got caught laughing at it.

madawaskan said...

Oh but they got some golf guy to whine about -who wrote something in Golf Digest-and all the weak mental military types are going to get-*inspired* by it.

So goes Camille Paglia's theorizing.

Somehow the two things are equivalent.

madawaskan said...

Na it's the 9/11 shit.

Henry said...

As Trey suggests, invective is its own rhetorical game.

Also, I'm sorry, but Christopher's paraphrase of Rush Limbaugh's complaint is completely incomprehensible. When did Limbaugh turn black?

Jeremy said...

For clarity - is the vile, hateful attack calling her a "dyke" or is it saying that she doesn't understand the rules that she's "supposed" to play by or something else, or a combination?

Sub-question: why do people resort to name-calling when they're denouncing namecalling?

-The Other Jeremy

Ann Althouse said...

And actually, the Prez wasn't really laughing at the joke. We see the crowd and hear some booing, then we see the Prez and he's making facial expressions that, to me, say: ooh, you're getting in trouble now, Wanda.

Quayle said...

The "outrage" is that the left lectures ad nauseam about tolerance and openness and kindness to others, and never lives by their trumpeted rules.

It isn't that the subject of the bile was Rush.

It's that the self-proclaimed “loving and kind” left keeps opening their mouths to reveal the dark shade of their own black, intolerant, closed hearts.

Beth said...

That is a joke -- silly and outrageous at the same time.

...
But Hitchens is right that the Prez shouldn't've got caught laughing at it
.

Right on both counts, thanks.

madawaskan said...

You know that 20th hijacker crap-Obama laughing like a doofus about that-as the first post-9/11 President.

Because why?

Wanda Sykes feelings would be hurt?

madawaskan said...

I saw a big stupid doofus grin...course I watched it on my computer and it was like 2:00 am.

And I actually think he has a winning smile and laugh-but at that moment not so much.

Der Hahn said...

You want the country to fail? I want *your kidneys* to fail!Grade school insults are humor? (and drawing the equivalance is an insult to grade schoolers)

What's next, "Your mother wears army boots?"

Lem said...

Andrew Sullivan has HIV.

If anyone on the right were to say ‘I hope he gets full blown AIDS’ we never hear the end of it.

madawaskan said...

Damn-

The Other Jeremy-

My sympathy to you-I guess you know what the "Michaels" went through...ga!

MadisonMan said...

The problem with manufactured outrage about trivial events, like the WHCA dinner, is that outrage about outrage about manufactured events is gossamer thin.

Who cares? would be a shorter way to say that.

Jeremy said...

Quayle - "The "outrage" is that the left lectures ad nauseam about tolerance and openness and kindness to others, and never lives by their trumpeted rules."

The woman is a comic. It was a JOKE. That's what she gets paid to do...tell JOKES. (Have you ever heard some of the JOKES Dennis Miller tells that slam the left?)

Beth - "But Hitchens is right that the Prez shouldn't've got caught laughing at it."

If you had actually seen the clip, and as Ann made clear:

Ann Althouse - "And actually, the Prez wasn't really laughing at the joke. We see the crowd and hear some booing, then we see the Prez and he's making facial expressions that, to me, say: ooh, you're getting in trouble now, Wanda."

The President wasn't "laughing" and the woman tells JOKES.

Get over it.

The Drill SGT said...

Ann Althouse said...
Look, the Sykes joke was funny. But it was out of place.
Sorry Althouse, the Sykes Rush stuff wasn't funny and Hitchens was correct in his comment, if not his method of doing it.

The humor at those dinners should be aimed at the President, either self depricating by himself or from the Emcee. Look at the comparable Bush dinners.

Using the podium to attack the President's enemies isn't amusing.

Hitchen's main point, that the President should be squirming, not laughing at others is exactly correct.

Hoosier Daddy said...

The woman is a comic. It was a JOKE. That's what she gets paid to do...tell JOKES. .

Funny I think that was the Michael Richards defense and that didn't work out so well for him.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Look, the Sykes joke was funny. But it was out of place.

It wasn't funny. What is funny about wishing someone to die a painful lingering death because they don't ideologically agree with you? What's funny about wishing death for any reason?

Out of place. Yes. But funny. Not at all.

Rush has said he wants Obama to fail, and she was riffing on "fail." It's already been said that Rush wants "the country" to fail, so she didn't start that.

Oh, that's ok then. She didn't START the lie, she just repeats it. That makes it really funny I guess.

Wouldn't it be funny if Wanda were to be gang raped by a bunch of KKK guys. Ha ha ha ....What? It's just a joke.

Jeremy said...

Considering the fact that Rush himself constantly defends harsh and demeaning comments by referring to himself as an "entertainer"...just like Wanda Sykes.

Here are two of his bits that most here probably think were absolutely hilarious:

1. "We are being told that we have to hope he succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles, bend over forward, backward, whichever, because his father was black, because this is the first black president."

2. "Obama is holding his own against both of them--doing more than his share of the "spade" work. Maybe even gaining ground at the moment. Using not only the spade ladies and gentleman---that when he finishes with the "spade" in the garden of corruption planted by the Clinton's, he turns to the "hoe."

Are racist jokes funnier than failing kidney jokes?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

1. "We are being told that we have to hope he succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles, bend over forward, backward, whichever, because his father was black, because this is the first black president."

This isn't a joke. This is a statement of fact.

elHombre said...

It's all kind of encouraging. The lefties have already dropped into the mentality that killed The Repubs post-Clinton. They only listen to each other.

The patter is uniquely lefty: "Our villifiers are cool. Their villifiers are evil and racist --'straight up,'" as Janeane would say, but the phenomenon is the same.

Defend Sykes and Perez and prosecute the "torturers" whatever the cost? Okay by me.

Jeremy said...

Dust Bunny Queen said..."It wasn't funny. What is funny about wishing someone to die a painful lingering death because they don't ideologically agree with you?"

Good lord...it was a JOKE.

Failing economy...failing kidney.

Have you ever listened to Mort Saul? George Carlin? Dennis Miller?

Jeremy said...

Dust Bunny Queen said..."This isn't a joke. This is a statement of fact."

Oh, I see.

Then why, whenever Rush is confronted for saying such things, does he say he's really just an entertainer and he didn't really mean what people thought he meant?

madawaskan said...

Jeremy-

You have no cotton pickin' idea what it is like to be fighting the war on terror nor do you have any active duty people any where near around you.

9/11 , 20th hijakcer hardee har, har.
And the First Post 9/11 President is more interested in accommodating Wanda Sykes.

Because that's his job as President....

Jen said...

Since people on this blog have been wishing my own personal kidney failure I'll weigh in.

The joke was funny.

I don't understand. Wasn't this SUPPOSED to be a roast type comedy? I'm not sure that it is even out of place.

Christopher Hitchens s a limey freak who should stay on his side of the pond.

Rush just wants his Oxycontin and to eat it too. When he's out on a limb, he's just an "entertainer." But his political diatribes are taken very seriously by a lot of people, including himself.

Oh boy.

madawaskan said...

It's Doofusville.

Nerdy, and twitty.

What the guy was afraid of Wanda Syke's disaproval?

Wimpy.

Oligonicella said...

Ann Althouse --

"And actually, the Prez wasn't really laughing at the joke. We see the crowd and hear some booing, then we see the Prez and he's making facial expressions that, to me, say: ooh, you're getting in trouble now, Wanda."

Some a that there hope.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Then why, whenever Rush is confronted for saying such things, does he say he's really just an entertainer and he didn't really mean what people thought he meant?.

Has he actually ever said that? I know he claims he's an entertainer but I don't recall him ever using it as an excuse for stuff he's said. I think he's pretty content with letting his statements stand on thier own. If you can provide evidence he's used his entertainer schtick to absolve him from a comment he's made, I'd like to see it.

Smilin' Jack said...

Failing economy...failing kidney.

That's not funny. Not because it's cruel or insensitive or anything. It's Just. Not. Funny.

Oligonicella said...

Jen --

"I don't understand. Wasn't this SUPPOSED to be a roast type comedy?"

Of the President. You know, like Colbert did to Bush. Let's see some comedian have the gonads to rail into Obama in that manner.

rdkraus said...

We've all (mostly) lost the ability to laugh at lots of things that are funny. PC police on the alert.

The problem is it only goes one way. Sykes can wish death to Limbaugh and joke about it (that's ok with me). The left will not only not punish her, but loves her for it.

But then there's the other side.

If Rush, or Hannity, or Levin, or Savage were to make the same kind of "joke" about a prominent member of one of the now-too-numerous-to-mention "victim" groups, there would be hell to pay.

Imus got thrown off the air for making a lousy joke about how some black women basketball players looked.

A female golf commentator got (some punishment I can't remember) for joking that the only way to beat Tiger at golf was to lynch him. There was no ill-intent, it was a compliment. She just forgot for a second and used a forbidden word.

George Allen (I think) ended his own career by using the word macaca, which no one had ever heard before.

Media matters and other groups record Rush, Hannity, Savage, Levin and others EVERY DAY just hoping for the opportunity to force them off the air because of some un-PC remark.

The problem is not making a joke that is/is not funny. Who cares? It's the differential treatment.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I don't understand. Wasn't this SUPPOSED to be a roast type comedy? I'm not sure that it is even out of place.

Jen. A roast type of comedy is where you have people gently and lovingly poking fun at the host, not viciously attacking political enemies who are not present.

If this were truly a roast the jokes would have been good natured jibes about Obama. Instead it was a nasty, mean, cruel and terribly revealing event that shows just how nasty mean and cruel the left really is.

AND the jokes were not really very funny.

paul a'barge said...

Have you ever listened to Mort Saul? George Carlin? Dennis Miller?Oh yes, sir. Lots.

I don't recall any of them saying that they hoped the kidneys fail on someone they disagree with.

I could be wrong though.

How about I bet that they never said such a thing and you fire up Google and YouTube and prove me wrong.

Waiting ... tick .... tock .....

paul a'barge said...

Jeremy

Jeremy?

What kind of name is "Jeremy"? Is that like one of those gay names?

I'm thinking so. Here are some examples, no?

Quayle said...

The woman is a comic. It was a JOKE. That's what she gets paid to do...tell JOKES.....

Have you ever listened to Mort Saul? George Carlin? Dennis Miller?
Have you ever heard of Don Imus? Have you ever heard, as Hoosier pointed out, of Michael Richards?

How about Jimmy the Greek?

How about David Feherty?

How about ....[and the list goes on and on.]

It is OK to slam Christians (especially Mormons), Whites, Conservatives, Bush, Cheney - hell, you can even make movies about killing them.

But one joke - a joke mind you - about nappi-headed ho's and you're all washed up.

The issue isn't what is bad taste - the issue is blatent hypocracy.

Jeremy said...

madawaskan said..."You have no cotton pickin' idea what it is like to be fighting the war on terror nor do you have any active duty people any where near around you."

What does that comment have to do with Wanda's joke? And if you're so concerned about the 9/11 terrorists, why aren't you asking G.W. why he never went after the Saudis...since they constituted 16 of the 19? (YOU do remember him kissing and holding hands with the Saudi Prince in Crawford...right?)

As for the "active duty" people you say are not around me, actually they are. I live in a huge military area with both Marine and Naval bases and have many friends who served and are serving...and believe me, if you think a majority of them (regardless of their dedication to America) think we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan, you need to get out more.

Jordan said...

Hitchens is a reformed Communist and he still is a leftist despite his support of the Iraq War. Why does the right have to say anything about him?

Jen said...

Go Jeremy!

Nicely done.

Jeremy said...

"How about Jimmy the Greek?"

What the fuck does he have to do with this?

A professional gambler and TV sports talking head who made a comment about blacks...what, 20 years ago?

And what does this mean?

"But one joke - a joke mind you - about nappi-headed ho's and you're all washed up."

Who's upset here?

NOT me.

It's the right who's going crazy of Wanda Sykes.

Jeremy said...

paul a'barge - A tad homophobic are we?

What is it about gays that get you so upset?

Fen said...

Wouldn't it be funny if Wanda were to be gang raped by a bunch of KKK guys

ROFLMAO! Hysterical!

And even better, its the new "humor", approved by Obama.

Ann, the vid is here:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/05/023537.php

Obama grinning ear to ear at kidney failure at 1:07

Wish I hadn't ssen that - West Wing's Dule Hill was there, laughing at all the hateful bullshit. I had respect for him.

Jen said...

Big cheerleader here.
Rah rah Jeremy.

Fen said...

Jeremy: As for the "active duty" people you say are not around me, actually they are. I live in a huge military area with both Marine and Naval bases and have many friends who served and are serving...and believe me, if you think a majority of them (regardless of their dedication to America) think we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan, you need to get out more.
Total Bullshit.

Jeremy said...

paul a'barge said..."I don't recall any of them saying that they hoped the kidneys fail on someone they disagree with."

You mean you haven't heard every single joke or comment they offered up? Mort Saul

I didn't say they used the exact same material as Wanda.

They all throw out all kinds of things that could be regarded as being over the top...as did Lenny Bruce...who was literally arrested for uttering the term; "cocksucker."

And I'm sorry for even writing the word because we all know how you feel about gays.

chickenlittle said...

Using the podium to attack the President's enemies isn't amusing.

Ditto what Drill Sgt said. Funny or not, it just shows how small this man and his fawning press are. It makes me glad some newspapers are failing.
Their Schaden fills me with Freude.

Jeremy said...

Fen, I have no doubt you're surrounded conservatives who agree with our invasion and the never ending fiasco we've created in Iraq, but just because you choose to associate with a specific group of like-minded people doesn't mean EVERYBODY does.

I haven't seen a polling of the American public i quite some time that doesn't reflect exactly my sentiments, and the last polling I saw via the military personnel also supported a desire to get our asses out of Iraq and to let them handle their own affairs.

*Nearly 60 percent of readers who participated in a recent Military.com poll said the United States should withdraw its troops from Iraq now or by the end of 2008. More than 40 percent of the respondents agreed the pullout should begin immediately because "we're wasting lives and resources there."

Jeremy said...

chickenlittle said..."Using the podium to attack the President's enemies isn't amusing."

I think she was using a microphone.

Ann Althouse said...

Fen: "Obama grinning ear to ear at kidney failure at 1:07"

You're right. I was remembering a point just before that. The "missed flight" stuff. She then says "Too much?"

Jeremy said...

Fen said..."Wouldn't it be funny if Wanda were to be gang raped by a bunch of KKK guys."

Ahhhh, there's that racist piece of shit we all know.

Keep it up, Fen.

You look smaller and dumber every day.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Nearly 60 percent of readers who participated in a recent Military.com poll said the United States should withdraw its troops from Iraq now or by the end of 2008. More than 40 percent of the respondents agreed the pullout should begin immediately because "we're wasting lives and resources there.".

Well those guys are just morons right Jeremy? I mean only a moron would think we could have pulled out immediately.

That is what you told me in that thread yesterday wasn't it when I suggested Obama keep his promise to end the war in Iraq?

EDH said...

In sum, I would not equate Hitch's table side mutterings to the prepared remarks of the invited keynote speaker at the WHCD.

If Obama is failing this miserably at his bailiwick of "bringing us together," what does that portend about his management of the economy, which he clearly has no clue about.

ElcubanitoKC said...

Jen, just for my enlightenment, could you provide a link to the thread where someone here wished your kidneys would fail?

Thanks.

Darcy said...

Rush can certainly take it, soo...whatever. Disappointing that anyone would think it was funny, but what are you going to do? (Besides point out the obviously hypocrisy.) And yeah, Obama liked it. No question.

Hee hee, chickenlittle. Yup! ;-)

Jeremy said...

For those of you who think Wanda was so horrible...take a few minutes to watch President George W. Bush in this video at the White House Correspondents Dinner in 2004.

Tell me how FUNNY this is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ

chickenlittle said...

OK. How about this:
Using one's free speech rights to verbally attack the President's enemies at this event wasn't amusing.
And it just shows how small this man and his fawning press are. It makes me glad some newspapers are failing.
Their Schaden fills me with Freude.

Jeremy said...

Hoosier, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

You're still harping on Obama not bringing every single troop in Iraq home withing the first 100 days of his term?

Are you this fucking dumb?

Sorry...I silly question.

Jeremy said...

Once again: You want FUNNY?

Watch this...and keep in mind, the families of the fallen were in stitches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ

David said...

She is black, and she is a dyke, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I would make fun of the name Wanda.

But I won't because that would make me insensitive.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Gee Jeremy thanks for pointing out that Military.com site. I found it really fascinating, especially those polls you referred to that showed the morons who think we should pull out of Iraq. Hey check this one out. Now that Obama is President, 32% said they’re ready to carry out his orders without reservation. 44% said they’ll follow his orders but are afraid he’ll screw us up more than Bush and 24% said they’re going to leave ASAP cause they don’t trust him.
Here’s the linky Then those morons also supported McCain 70% over Obama 24%.
linkyjust because you choose to associate with a specific group of like-minded people doesn't mean EVERYBODY does..

You were saying?

Ann Althouse said...

Let me add that I don't think the joke was very funny. I'm just saying that I understand why it was a joke in the way that just saying "I hope X dies" isn't a joke.

chickenlittle said...

I do wonder whether Jason Woliner, maker of those Bush WMD vids, even consulted with those families.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Hoosier, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

You're still harping on Obama not bringing every single troop in Iraq home withing the first 100 days of his term?
.

Oh I'm sorry I was reading your post where you claimed 60% of readers at Military.com wanted out of IRAQ by end of 2008. I figured they probably had the same expectations too.

Or are they morons for expecting the President to keep his word?

Jeremy said...

BBC - Friday, 26 March, 2004

Bush's Iraq WMDs joke backfires

President Bush in Oval Office
The president could be seen bending over to peer at the floor of the Oval Office
US President George W Bush has sparked a political row by making a joke about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

At a black-tie dinner for journalists, Mr Bush narrated a slide show poking fun at himself and other members of his administration.

One pictured Mr Bush looking under a piece of furniture in the Oval Office, at which the president remarked: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere."

After another one, showing him scouring the corner of a room, Mr Bush said: "No, no weapons over there," he said.

And as a third picture, this time showing him leaning over, appeared on the screen the president was heard to say: "Maybe under here?"

The joke about the fruitless search for Iraqi WMDs so far, Washington's prime justification for the US-led invasion, has been branded as tasteless and ill-judged.

F-U-N-N-Y stuff, huh?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Jeremy, your post to Fen:

*Nearly 60 percent of readers who participated in a recent Military.com poll said the United States should withdraw its troops from Iraq now or by the end of 2008. More than 40 percent of the respondents agreed the pullout should begin immediately because "we're wasting lives and resources there."..

Since you seem this holds weight in your response to Fen, care to explain why I'm so 'fucking dumb' to expect the President to act on his promise when I'm simply echoing the sentiments of those pollsters?

Or is that too complicated to answer?

chickenlittle said...

David said:
Personally, I would make fun of the name Wanda.

You mean about the bicycle stuff? That is good!

madawaskan said...

Jeremy-

That military.com poll?

First that website is run by Gannett Publishing-The Military Times is not military...honestly.

Secondly during that polling they got the numbers from a source that didn't weed out for number changes-the active duty military can transfer as often as every two to three years.

Third-they took however answered the phone ,first.

The eighteen year old kid...whom ever.

Also-jeebus have you ever taken a class in psychological testing and evaluation or statistics....

If you are polling STATESIDE numbers how many active duty people do you think are answering the damn phone?

Top that off with when and if! they are stateside they start work at 6:30 or 7:00 am and sometimes they don't get home til 9:00 pm.

At least that's the guys I know, OK?

Plus hell one of them was going in at 2:00 am because they lost the security guys for awhile...

So blow it out your porthole.

madawaskan said...

typo:

They took *who* ever...answered the phone.

Jen said...

ElcubanitoKC:


http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/05/wanda-sykes-at-white-house.html#1136830655065921447

Fen wished my kidney (singular) to fail.

I told him wishing my kidneys to fail would have been funnier.

Re-reading that was interesting.
John called me a "troll" but not until after I called him "bitter and angry." (which he said first. but I won't split hairs).


I think after review, I'm going to change my Blog ID to "top shelf white girl."

MadisonMan said...

chickenlittle said..."Using the podium to attack the President's enemies isn't amusing."

I think she was using a microphone.

Heh. This made me chuckle. The visual of Ms. Sykes attacking -- I don't know, Rove? -- with a podium. That's chuckleworthy to me.

Jeremy said...

Hoosier Daddy said..."Oh I'm sorry I was reading your post where you claimed 60% of readers at Military.com wanted out of IRAQ by end of 2008. I figured they probably had the same expectations too."

The poll was taken in 2008...you know...while G.W. was President.

Your argument that Obama should be able to completely withdraw all troops, contractors and equipment within a timetable of about 90 days is so ridiculous, on so many levels, I'm surprised even someone as dense as yourself would continue foisting it on me.

Since you live in Indiana and pride yourself on knowing the corn seasons, maybe if you thought of the pullback in terms of...corn.

It takes about 6 months to plant and harvest...corn.

So why would you possibly think Obama could pull everybody and everything out in a shorter period of time?

Unless of course you actually do believe he's the...messiah?

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Hoosier Daddy said...

The poll was taken in 2008...you know...while G.W. was President..

Ok. So then it being a 2008 polls pretty much makes it useless for refuting Fen too.

Your argument that Obama should be able to completely withdraw all troops, contractors and equipment within a timetable of about 90 days is so ridiculous, on so many levels, I'm surprised even someone as dense as yourself would continue foisting it on me. .

Actually my argument was that he hasn't even begun any kind of withdrawal.

It takes about 6 months to plant and harvest...corn.

So why would you possibly think Obama could pull everybody and everything out in a shorter period of time?
.

Because you can do that faster than growing corn? Hey, its your boy who made the promise. I'm just expecting him to make good on it. Hell he could have had half the force in Kuwait by now and on the way home.

David said...

It was a bad joke, rude and crass, not very funny and utterly inappropriate to the event. But just as Limbaugh (and Hitchens) can hold up under the abuse, so can Sykes.

So could Bush.

Obama? Not so sure.

But people, this is not very important stuff. Probably every one of us has chuckled at something even more tasteless at some time in our adult lives.

madawaskan said...

Oh ya and if you want to run government and decide huge things by military polling-68% of the military , even though they have a higher percentage of minorities than the rest of the population wanted John McCain to be the president.

And- the one thing John McCain never wavered on was the war effort.

Or I guess now we should now call it-

The Overseas Continguency Operation to Stop Man- Made Disasters.

chickenlittle said...

Obama? Not so sure.

Obama needs to withstand off-color jokes too- he's the President, not a diety.

madawaskan said...

David-

So the First Post 9/11 President should laugh at a 9/11- 20th hijacker joke because Wanda Sykes might get uncomfortable if he doesn't?

Jeremy said...

Jen - I have no idea how long you've been posting here, but there is one concrete rule to keep in mind:

Anybody who disagrees, offers up contrary viewpoints, is not a conservative, a wingnut, a far right Christian, a fan of Rush, Sean, Savage, Coulter, O'Reilly, Ingraham, Beck or other right wing talking heads (although most say they NEVER listen to any of them...sure), or has the temerity to represent themselves as being a liberal...is immediately typecast as a "troll."

There are some, but not many here, who will actually engage in discussion and debate, but if there is even a hint liberalism in your opinion...be prepared for the "pack" garnering their members and ushering up massive and ongoing attack on literally anything you say.

I personally post many of my comments in response to some of the inane right wing drivel I read, but I must admit, I also post many just to watch the percolating insanity rise up and spew forth.

They're sooooooooooo easy and sooooooooooo locked into their beliefs you can sometimes get them rolling by just typing in O-b-a-m-a.

I always wonder how they can handle their keyboards while at the same time, spitting and frothing.

They probably only use one hand.
(The right one.)

Jeremy said...

Madawaskan - Do you think this is funny?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ

madawaskan said...

Jeremy-

You aren't going to mention name jacking?

Jen said...

What's name jacking?

Rich B said...

I watched that video (apparently cribbed from Olbermann) and they manage to put 5-10 second bites from Rush to build an impression that he said things he didn't say - like the anal sex reference. I guess Rush is a little too nuanced for Tommy and Keith.

Chip Ahoy said...

I was at the ceramics supply shop the other day talking to the sales clerk about glazes. I remarked I was looking for the good stuff, not the mineral infused mud used in do-it-yourself shops. I wondered aloud why they used them, sloppy as they are. The clerk said, "Probably because so many children are taken to those shops. Careful now, if you ingest this stuff, it'll kill you." I go, "Will it be a swift death, or will it be an agonizing lingering painful death with much suffering?" A young man who was also at the counter and overheard our conversation erupted in hysterical laughter at the question, which wasn't at all funny. This caused me to question if I've lost touch with what is actually funny and what is not. That, and constantly being hit.

My brother understands me. He picks up and goes along with everything. Concerned if I had been paying attention to him, he stops and tells me to repeat what he said to prove it. I repeat his last points using his key words but mangle its meaning so completely to produce an utterly nonsensical string but act satisfied that it all made sense. He gets what I did, and goes, "OK." As if all that crap really was what he meant, confident I was listening and got the true meaning.

In Maui he was renting another car. Again. Electricista de profesión, nadie es más macho que él. Taking longer than need be, he was chatting it up with the clerk, an attractive young Hawaiian native, while I waited outside. Getting tired of waiting, I opened the door but stayed in the doorway and speaking across the lobby as if we were lovers and not brothers everyone present cold hear, said, "Darling. Will you be much longer?" He looks at me, looks at her, she's cracking up laughing, rolls his eyes and plays along, replying tenderly, "No, Dear. Just another moment."

About this Sykes/Limbaugh/Hittchens/Obama laughing/not laughing/appropriate or not kerfuffle, I haven't a clue. I do believe, though, that those who dish it must brace themselves to take it, and I believe further our shiny wonderful new president is remarkably thin-skinned.

Jeremy said...

David said..."Obama? Not so sure."

When was the last time you ever saw Barack Obama ruffled or upset?

One of the reasons he's so popular is that he's been able to provide an even and controlled plan of action to troubled times. (Whether you or others agree with it.)

Over the past 2 years he's been accused of being everything from being a terrorist cell to not being an American-born citizen.

Maybe you can provide a link to any examples of Obama not being able "hold up under the abuse."

Jeremy said...

Chipper - "...and I believe further our shiny wonderful new president is remarkably thin-skinned."

And you base this on what?

Provide some examples.

Hoosier Daddy said...

has the temerity to represent themselves as being a liberal...is immediately typecast as a "troll.".

Actually the only liberal whose been called a troll is you. For obvious reasons and if Jen sticks around long enough, she'll figure it out on her own.

Hoosier Daddy said...

and I believe further our shiny wonderful new president is remarkably thin-skinned."

And you base this on what?

Provide some examples.
.

Well he crawled up Dowd's ass a while back to making fun of his ears.

madawaskan said...

And let's see what incarnation are you on-Gene Olson/LuckyOldson/Michael/Jeremy?

Plus you let your workers post here as you and that's some excuse for what I don't know, and on my feed you are showing up as Seven Machos.

Add to that that as a psych prof you asked repeatedly for people to kill themselves-and you did stuff under my handle to Host with the Most who's brother did shortly after that commit suicide and I never am going to know if he got my apology for what you said to him as "me"....

He had to go to Oklahoma to tend with the aftermath of that.

What did I do to deserve you name jacking me?

I've never tossed 1/10th of the stuff that you toss at others or me back at you.

So you've broken a lot of social norms and/or contracts around here.

And I think as a 62 year old you should take responsibility for your own actions, but somehow we get blamed for egging you..

You've started over here many times-I've yet to see you not slip back to the same schtick.

Really a shame.

Try to change it up or something I don't know what to tell you.

Jeremy said...

WASHINGTON - Defense and military officials tell NBC News that President Obama will seek to delay the release of hundreds of photos which reportedly depict the abuse of prisoners by U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Complaints?

madawaskan said...

Jen-

Shoot you are really new to this.

He takes other people's handles and posts as them..

Jen said...

Jeremy:

I have very little time today to comment, but this is fascinating.

Your posts today are some of the most well worded and informed I've read. It sounds as if there is truly a tremendous amount of hostility on occasion, although that is difficult to interpret digitally.

Obama does promote a rather visceral response in even some of the more moderate Republicans that I know and occasionally associate with.

I wish I could help you today. I'll check tonight and see if I can at least help you sweep up some of the garbage.

Sweet Hoosier Daddy: I am the troll apparently, not Jeremy.

Jen said...

madawaskan:

WHO does? JEREMY? nooooooo

madawaskan said...

And then when he is "you" he starts fights with posters you have respect for-it's weird.

He won't do it to you-you're his new bud.

Jeremy said...

madawaskan said..."He takes other people's handles and posts as them."

Can I assume you don't remember who started the practice?

Of course not, that would involve honesty.

When someone attacks, I respond in kind.

chickenlittle said...

You aren't going to mention name jacking?

That was the lowest point of the Althouse blog so far. I remember that Madawaskan-you were the first I believe.

I understand Jeremy. He's the resident polemist-posting his opinions because it's fun for him (and it's tolerated here under free speech and because it's good for Althouse's stats). But remember, we can always ignore him: Althouse is right when she says that. I know it's hard because he's so rude and actually tries to goad people even if they try to ignore him.

Alternatively, you just go some place else. Don't expect Althouse to like or encourage that though.

Jeremy said...

Jen said..."WHO does? JEREMY?"

My wife.

madawaskan said...

Nobody "does" Jeremy that's probably a lot of the problem.

He needs to get "lucky" or somethin'...

Oy!

I'm off.

Jeremy said...

Chicken - Once again:

Can I assume you don't remember who started the practice?

Of course not, that would involve honesty.

When someone attacks, I respond in kind.

madawaskan said...

Actually Jeremy feel free to leave a message as to your reason or rational for name jacking me-I'll check back to this thread later.

madawaskan said...

You name jacked me Jeremy-

You can link to what I did that motivated you to do that.

chickenlittle said...

Jeremy: If you were the first, then I think you were wronged too. Madawaskan was the one that I remember.
Whoever started it played with fire. I hope it doesn't happen again. I think it's akin to identity theft.

former law student said...

She didn't START the lie, she just repeats it

Let's dissect this a bit:

Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails
January 16, 2009

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

So Limbaugh hopes that Obama's Presidency is a failure. Right now unemployment is going up, our domestic auto industry is failing, our stocks are back where they were after the dot-com bust, people are afraid to spend money. Oh, and we're fighting two wars.

For Obama to fail, the state of our union will stay the same or even get worse.

And this is what Limbaugh would wish upon the nation.

Sorry Althouse, the Sykes Rush stuff wasn't funny

Unless you're Mother Teresa, the friend of all mankind (despised by Hitchens, by the way) the joke is funny -- unless Rush is a sacred cow for you.

The joke relies on wordplay and surprise.

The wordplay lies in the two definitions of fail: not to succeed and cease functioning.

The country fails == Obama's plan does not succeed and the country remains in the same sad state that W. left it in.

Rush's kidneys fail == Limbaugh's kidney's cease functioning and he needs dialysis.

The hateful wish in the punchline furnishes the element of surprise.

Note that, because Rush was the first to be hateful, by wishing Obama to fail, the listener does not perceive the punchline to be unfair.

If Limbaugh were not a mean SOB, I agree the joke would not be funny.

Jeremy said...

I can't help but notice I haven't heard back from anybody with a review of the White House function/George W. Bush video clip I provided.

You can certainly dish it out, but when you're called on it...nada.

John said...

No one has any class anymore. Both sides like to make crude jokes abou the other. If someone had gotten up and said "I wouldn't fuck Wanda Sykes with Michelle Obama's dick", the right would have laughed and the left would have been outraged. But if you made the same joke with Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter, the left would think it was great.

rocketeer67 said...

When someone attacks, I respond in kind.

Strange to hear, coming from a "we shouldn't stoop to waterboarding of other EI methods" freak.

But not really so strange, since we all know you're an intellectually dishonest and inconsistent hypocrite.

Jeremy said...

chickenlittle said..."Jeremy: If you were the first, then I think you were wronged too. Madawaskan was the one that I remember."

It did happen to me first, I complained, was ignored, then responded in kind.

Like I said before...dishing it out is easy, being able to take it right back apparently isn't.

John said...

"Note that, because Rush was the first to be hateful, by wishing Obama to fail, the listener does not perceive the punchline to be unfair."

It is not hateful to hope that Obama fails. If it were, the Left would have a lot to apologize for over the last eight years considering that most of them viewed US casualty reports with glee.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I can't help but notice I haven't heard back from anybody with a review of the White House function/George W. Bush video clip I provided..

I can't help but notice that you haven't been able to explain why your military.com poll is at such odds with the other military.com polls. You know the one you quoted where 60% want us out of Iraq yet the one I linked showed 70% supported McCain who wanted to keep us in Iraq for 100 years.

Smart guy like you should be able to explain that to a hick like me.

Jeremy said...

rocketeer67 said..."Strange to hear, coming from a "we shouldn't stoop to waterboarding of other EI methods" freak."

Torture is against the Geneva Convention and we're the people who pushed it so we could protect our own.

Responding to assholes on a blog site isn't.

For you to see that as hypocritical tells me you need to pick yourself up a dictionary.

Palladian said...

"Also-jeebus have you ever taken a class in psychological testing"

"Jeremy" is actually a psychology teacher named Gene Olson. Hard to believe, I know.

rocketeer67 said...

Note to FLS: When you have to write a dissertation to explain a joke, it's not funny.

john said...

Jen said...

"Obama does promote a rather visceral response in even some of the more moderate Republicans that I know and occasionally associate with."

You mean all those life-long Republicans who always vote their conscience (ie Democrat)? You are so funny, Jen, I think I am getting bladder failure!

oops, gotta go.

Jeremy said...

Hoosier - You really eed to bone up on reading comprehension.

The fact that 70% supported McCain who wanted to keep us in Iraq for 100 years has no bearing on the poll I provided.

Do you actually think McCain (who did his very best to back off the 100 year comment) really meant that we would sustain a full force in Iraq for 100 years? His comparison was always related to our forces in South Korea and Germany, which are certainly the kind necessary in Iraq.

Even you're not that dumb...then again.

rocketeer67 said...

Torture is against the Geneva Convention and we're the people who pushed it so we could protect our own.Right. 1) None of the EIT used are torture, and 2) al-Qaeda are not signatories nor uniformed combatants.

And also, "you're welcome," since I know you're too stupid to know how to spell hypocrite on your own.

Palladian said...

"Responding to assholes on a blog site isn't."

Is Santa Monica College hiring? Because it sounds like a great place to work. Apparently you have 17 hours of free time each day to post hundreds of abusive comments on a weblog run by someone you purport to dislike.

Or, as per your admission last week, are you still allowing other people to post comments using your Blogger account (which is against the Terms Of Use, by the way)?

Casual observation of your usage and sentence construction and stock insults suggests that most of the comments left using your account are by one person.

Jen said...

Oh John, John, John:

There isn't a single decent human being who looks at casualty reports with glee.

That was shameful and beneath you. . . I think.

Jeremy said...

Palladian said..."Jeremy is actually a psychology teacher named Gene Olson. Hard to believe, I know."

Good lord...you're still on that mission?

Once again: I am NOT a teacher at any community college, never have been.

I own and run two companies that are not in any way, shape or form associated with community colleges or teaching.

I have a handful of valuable employees who handle most matters, allowing me the time (along with them jumping in from time to time) to aggravate the living hell out of the wingnuts who take part in the mutual suckfest we see here every day.

*By the way, are you still an overweight failing artist?

Just wondered.

rocketeer67 said...

Casual observation of your usage and sentence construction and stock insults suggests that most of the comments left using your account are by one person.

You'd figure a "psychology professor" would recognise symptoms of dissociative identity disorder in themselves, wouldn't you?

Hoosier Daddy said...

The fact that 70% supported McCain who wanted to keep us in Iraq for 100 years has no bearing on the poll I provided..

Well unless you're a complete fool, it kinda does. Unless of course the poll you referenced doesn't exist. Providing a link like I did tends to provide that thing called credibility to your assertations.

Do you actually think McCain (who did his very best to back off the 100 year comment) really meant that we would sustain a full force in Iraq for 100 years? .

Of course not but that certainly wasn't how your side portrayed it during the campaign now wasn't it?

Was it?

Jeremy said...

Palladian - You say I post on "...a weblog run by someone you purport to dislike."

I never said I didn't like Ann Althouse.

I certainly disagree with her from time to time, but it's tough disliking someone I don't even know.

In your case, I might make an exception.

rocketeer67 said...

I own and run two companies that are not in any way, shape or form associated with community colleges or teaching.

You left out "or reality," at the end of that sentence, Jeremy.

Jen said...

And I just noticed that there are two j-o-h-n (s) here.

Curiouser and curiouser

rocketeer67 said...

And I just noticed that there are two j-o-h-n (s) here.

Curiouser and curiouser


Yeah. It is a pretty uncommon name.

john said...

Jen - we "Johns" both have profiles. JEeremy and JEn don't. Aha. Curious.

john said...

It is uncommon. Just us two. (And of course, Sarah's running mate and Elizabeth's husband.)

Jeremy said...

Hoosier - READ the poll, you idiot.

When 60% say they want us OUT...what bearing does it have on some politician saying something as stupid as that we should stay there for 100 years???

Here's a backdrop of McCain's comments:

During a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire:

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told a crowd of roughly two hundred people that it “would be fine with” him if the U.S. military stayed in Iraq for “a hundred years“:

Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)

McCAIN: Make it a hundred.

Q: Is that … (cut off)

McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …

Q: [tries to say something]

McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.

Then...the complete flip-flop-flip:

While previously saying the Korea model was “exactly” the right idea for Iraq, in late November, he abandoned it on PBS’ Charlie Rose Show:

ROSE: Do you think that this — Korea, South Korea is an analogy of where Iraq might be, not in terms of their economic success but in terms of an American presence over the next, say, 20, 25 years, that we will have a significant amount of troops there?

MCCAIN: I don’t think so.

ROSE: Even if there are no casualties?

MCCAIN: No. But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws.

NOTE: "America eventually withdraws."

Rich B said...

fls-

Your reading comprehension is low. From your link, Rush's words:

"I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it."

Pretty precise, but a little too hard for you to understand, let alone Wanda Woman.

John said...

"Oh John, John, John:

There isn't a single decent human being who looks at casualty reports with glee.

That was shameful and beneath you. . . I think."

I would point to Micheal Moore hopeing for a "1000 Mogadeshus" when we invaded Iraq. Yeah, that is one person and it is true that most people left or right don't celebrate casualties, at least not publicly. But, no one on the left that I know of ever called Moore out for that statement and he still was a guest of honor at the 04 DNC.

Yes you are right, the left, for the most part did not celbrate casualties. But it defies credulity to claim that they didn't want Bush to fail. But now anyone who wishes the same for BO is horrible and beyond polite company. Yeah right.

john said...

I apologise Jen. John, like you, has no profile.

John said...

Jen, we are not the same person. My profile is nonexistant but my e-mail is valid. If you ever really get angry at me, you can always vent via e-mail.

Beth said...

Ah, class. Us has it. Them ain't got it.

Jeremy said...

john said..."Jen - we "Johns" both have profiles. JEeremy and JEn don't. Aha. Curious."

Okay, you got us.

We're posting these comments from the back seat of a Mercedes Sedan. (All liberals and independents own 'em.)

We're naked, smoking top flight reefer, munching on tofu burgers, fries made out of free range potatoes, fresh Mango juice while watching Mr. Smith Goes To Washington on our cell phones.

Okay, Jen...take it from hear...my burger's getting cold.

Synova said...

I don't think that "roasts" are funny. They almost never are. Maybe some of those that Dean Martin used to do were funny. They seem like an excuse to be mean for the sake of being mean, with an excuse.

Isn't there a SpongeBob Squarepants episode about humor at the expense of others? Maybe everyone should watch that.

Everyone should be able to laugh at him or herself. Obama seemed to manage it with his own contribution.

Now, Hitchens might be perfectly correct that someone didn't explain the "rules" to Sykes. (And maybe Obama's writers understood the rules.) But who ever complains after a "roast" that their feelings were hurt? It's against the rules to complain *because* it's a roast. Yet I recall a highly awarded author Guest of Honor at a convention talking about how devastated she was when the person announcing her award (the highest award in the genre, and she not knowing she was the one who got it) who made "gentle fun" of her as part of the announcement, and everyone laughing and how she was nearly destroyed.

But it's never the joker's fault, it's the fault of the victim. Always.

Who will be blamed if the writer lady made a scene, cried, or fled the convention because she couldn't face those who laughed at her expense? She would be blamed.

I don't think that "it was a joke" is EVER an excuse.

Saying that it *matters* that what Hitchens said wasn't meant to be a joke, is a implicit admission that the "jokes" were "vile, hateful attacks" disguised as humor.

Jeremy said...

John - "But it defies credulity to claim that they didn't want Bush to fail."

That's a completely false accusation.

I've never, ever spoken to a liberal or anybody for that matter, that wanted Bush to "fail" in Iraq.

That's just the same right wing bullshit Rush and others here constantly throw out.

It's a lie and you know it.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

There isn't a single decent human being who looks at casualty reports with glee.

Just as there shouldn't be a single decent human being who thinks that it is a funny joke to wish a painful and lingering death on a person that merely disagrees politically with them. Wouldn't you say so, Jen?

John said...

"That's a completely false accusation.

I've never, ever spoken to a liberal or anybody for that matter, that wanted Bush to "fail" in Iraq."


You are either lying or don't get out much. There were tons of people who openly said that they hoped the US would lose and be taught a lesson about the dangers of aggression. I knew lots of them. They were certainly posting all over the internet.

John said...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2007/10/06/fox-poll-19-dems-think-world-better-if-us-loses-iraq-war

In 2007, 19% of Dems thought it would be better if the US lost the war in Iraq.

Yeah it is one poll not necessarily acruate. But even if it is within 10 points, that is still one out of every ten Dems who hoped the US would lose the war.

rocketeer67 said...

You are either lying or don't get out much.

There's plenty of evidence that both are true.

Doug said...

I would be willing to bet my house and car that Jen is a Jeremy sockpuppet. No one says things like:

Your posts today are some of the most well worded and informed I've read. It sounds as if there is truly a tremendous amount of hostility on occasion, although that is difficult to interpret digitally.

Obama does promote a rather visceral response in even some of the more moderate Republicans that I know and occasionally associate with.

I wish I could help you today. I'll check tonight and see if I can at least help you sweep up some of the garbage.

john said...

Jen,

All you decent human beings on the left would never wish death on someone they disagreed with , or even wish failure on their elected leaders. Would you?


ooh, a John/john gangup.

Jeremy said...

john said..."Jen, All you decent human beings on the left..."

Who are the people in the photos?

YOU know them?

YOU know their politics?

Does it matter that there are people who shouldn't do or say certain things?

What's your point?

John said...

"Does it matter that there are people who shouldn't do or say certain things?"


Yeah it does. Unless and until progressives are willing to kick such people out of their movement, they own their actions. If KKK members started showing up at Republican rallies, would you be as dissmissive? Who are those people afterall?

john said...

Dammit Jeremy, I was addressing Jen. Don't interupt.

Jeremy said...

Dust Bunny Queen said..."Just as there shouldn't be a single decent human being who thinks that it is a funny joke to wish a painful and lingering death on a person that merely disagrees politically with them."

It was fucking J-O-K-E.

She wasn't literally hoping or praying for the man to die a "painful and lingering death."

Good lord...we have people standing outside funerals for gay Americans...screaming for them to burn in hell...and you're upset over this silly ass joke??

Watch this and tell me how funny it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ

John said...

"Good lord...we have people standing outside funerals for gay Americans...screaming for them to burn in hell...and you're upset over this silly ass joke??"


That is pure sophestry. The Waynesboro Baptist Church stands out in front of soldiers funerals and says they got what was coming to them. I would gladly join you in burning the place down. But no one invited them to speak at a Presidential event. Just because there are more offensive people in the world, doesn't make Sykes any less offensive.

Jeremy said...

John said..."...Yeah it does. Unless and until progressives are willing to kick such people out of their movement"

You want Wanda thrown out of the Democratic Party? I don't even know if she's a member.

And does this also relate to Ann Coulter?

Glenn Beck?

Rush Limbaugh?

Michael Savage? (He can't even travel to GB)

john said...

Jeremy,

Disagree: not a Mercedes; I think it would be a Volvo 180DL, that leaks and burns oil. And there is no room for Jen in the back seat anyway, because that is where you keep all your clothes. You are parked in back of Starbucks to get the wifi.

Agree: you are probably naked.

John said...

"John said..."...Yeah it does. Unless and until progressives are willing to kick such people out of their movement"


No. I mean the people holding the signs about soldiers shooting their officers. Not Wanda Sykes. She is just a harmless boring twat not worth being kicked out of anything.

Windbag said...

Trooper is innocent.

Jeremy said...

John - "But no one invited them to speak at a Presidential event."

Wanda Sykes is a comic.

She makes her living doing comedy.

Yes, she was invited. Just as Dennis Miller is invited to such functions, and he says all kinds of stuff that liberals hate.

So fucking what??

And by the way, your buddy Rush, said that anybody doing illegal drugs should go to prison...right up until he got caught doing illegal drugs. (Hypocrisy?)

Or how about this nice comment from your hero:

"Obama is holding his own against both of them [Bill and Hillary Clinton], doing more than his share of the 'spadework,' maybe even gaining ground at the moment, using not only the spade, ladies and gentlemen. But when he finishes with the spade in the garden of corruption planted by the Clintons, he turns to the hoe."

This is the man you're so upset about being denigrated by Wanda Sykes??

Get real.

John said...

"Michael Savage? (He can't even travel to GB)"


So you support denying entry of people based on their exercise of free speech? I guess you were A OK when tried to keep Cat Stevens out of the country. You can't be that stupid. GB is a soft totalitarian state with no right to free speech. Is that what you want the US to be?

Jeremy said...

John said..."No. I mean the people holding the signs about soldiers shooting their officers."

Who are those people?

I saw no link, identification or context.

Jen said...

Holy crap. You people are on a tare. Sorry, Jeremy, I wasn't here. I stepped out to get an organic free trade non-fat one splenda latte.

Your reefer post was very very funny btw.

I think that it is interesting that when I say that no decent human being would wish a casualty of war, everyone gets all worked up about LEFT/RIGHT who said what, etc. etc. I DID NOT say "no decent democrat." or conversely, "no decent conservative."

I said decent. human. being.

Also, the kidney comment was a J-O-K-E! A joke! In the context of a comedy. Ahhh, but we've been there before.

Jen said...

I think I prefer John to john. But I'm not sure yet.

What kind of rabbit hole is this?

John said...

"Obama is holding his own against both of them [Bill and Hillary Clinton], doing more than his share of the 'spadework,' maybe even gaining ground at the moment, using not only the spade, ladies and gentlemen. But when he finishes with the spade in the garden of corruption planted by the Clintons, he turns to the hoe."

I don't see anything offensive about that. That is not wishing death on anyone. It is not advocating violance.

The bottomline is that you don't beleive in free expression or free speech. If you are upset about that and think that that comment means Rush Limbaugh has no right to appear in public, you are just a petty oppressor.

Further, even if Rush is as awful as you beleive, who cares? That doesn't make Sykes any better for wishing his death. You seem to think that just becuase you don't like someone, it is perfectly okay to say anything about them no matter how horrible.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I think that Jen and Jeremy need to get a better understanding of what constitutes a joke.

Then again, we already know that most liberals don't have much of a sense of humour.

Jeremy said...

Blogger John said..."So you support denying entry of people based on their exercise of free speech?"

I'm sorry to inform you of this, but GB is GB and they have their own set of laws, rules and sense of what they want in their country. I guarantee you Homeland Security has a long list of those they will not allow into America, also based on whatever criteria they deem correct.

They banned Savage and others for out and out "hate speech" they felt was beyond the pale.

John said...

"Also, the kidney comment was a J-O-K-E! A joke! In the context of a comedy. Ahhh, but we've been there before."


Of course it was a joke. It was a bad one. Just like what the idiotic comment Don Imus made about the Rutgers basketball team or the comment that Jimmy the Greek made about black athletes. The reactions to those were over the top and the reaction by some here is over the top. The answer is not to be angry but just not laugh and ignore it. I wish Conservatives hadn't ever said anything. Sykes speaks for herself. She is a lousy commediane who made an unfunny joke. In the end, it really doesn't matter.

Jen said...

Who is Doug? Someone needs to go collect on the house and car bet.

John said...

"I'm sorry to inform you of this, but GB is GB and they have their own set of laws, rules and sense of what they want in their country. I guarantee you Homeland Security has a long list of those they will not allow into America, also based on whatever criteria they deem correct."

that is begging the question. Of course they can do it, you nitwit. They are a sovereign country. The question is do you support them in doing it? You say "he can't get into GB" like it is a good thing. Well is it? Or does their denial say worse things about GB than it does about Savage?

Jeremy said...

Dust Bunny Queen said..."I think that Jen and Jeremy need to get a better understanding of what constitutes a joke."

No, it's YOU who needs to understand the subjectivity of humor.

What one thinks is funny another does not.

It doesn't make it funny or not funny.

Do you like every movie, TV show, joke or book everybody you know likes?

Do you like violent films? Many do.

How about gay-themed films? Like them...ALL of them?

And I notice you didn't respond to the video link I provided, of Bush making fun of not finding any WMD...as if that would be hilarious to the families of the American soldiers who gave their lives.

Now what kind of joke is that??

john said...

Jeremy -

The "shoot thier officers" photo was from an "anti-war" protest in San Francisco. An of course the invitation to put a sniper round through Bush's skull was from CBS.

So you're right, we don't know anything about the politics of those folks. My bad.

Oh, look ! It's the Jen and Jeremy show!

Jeremy said...

John - "The question is do you support them in doing it?"

In the case of Savage I lean towards supporting it.

He's the most vile and hateful radio host I've ever heard.

Do you listen to him? Do you like what he says?

Do you think when he says the Koran is a "book of hate" that that might upset any of the billion Muslims in the world?

How about the Muslims that constitute such a large percentage of European cities? Think that played into their decision?

Jeremy said...

john - I never said I support any of what you describe, I merely asked where it came from.

What is your point?

I have another John asking if I support Savage being banned from GB...and you saying we should...do what to these people you describe?

Ban them from America?

Fine them?

Do whatever...their actions are downright stupid.

Jen said...

Actually, I have brown hair.

And now that WAS funny!

Sorry Jeremy. I have a full afternoon lining up in front of me. I really do have to sign off and I haven't been much help because I am really busy today. But, it's been most inspirational AND I will check back tonight.

I've always wanted a house and car in. . . .?

madawaskan said...

Palladian-

I think he's his primary subject.

I've heard that from other commenters-and it's funny his students write him up as caustic or something to that effect.

But ya it's just us eeeeeevil Althousers on the RIght who see him that way.

chickenlittle-

You're right-the only time I get caught up in it is when he tries to do what the Democrats as a whole are doing-co-opt the military as their next victim class.

I've watched them challenge every vote of the guys at Eglin AFB who were voting by absentee ballot-guys that were sitting over in the DMZ in Korea.

They challenged every damn ballot enlisted, officer it didn't matter and they did that before they were even opened because they knew how they were voting.

The polling station on Eglin AFB the largest air base in the free world- voted by some 80% that year for the Republicans and the next election I think they hit significantly higher numbers-the stats are hard to dig up these days at the Okaloosa county website-but I remember being astounded by the results.

I guess I should just let him spew his stuff and let this be one more place were that agenda gets furthered.

I think I do my best-but that happens to be my Achilles' heel. Thanks for the advice chickenlittle I"ll try to do better.

Jeremy said...

John - "Of course it was a joke. It was a bad one."

There ya go.

One person says it was a bad joke...another would say it was a good joke.

But to make it into the insanit we see here is ridiculous...and within a few days...it'll be gone and forgotten. (Except of course, for Rush, he'll use it for months on end...and that's his prerogative...as an "entertainer.")

john said...

... as long as we all agree that MY jokes are hilarious.

Jeremy said...

John said...I don't see anything offensive about that."

Of course not.

What's so unusual about using the word "spade" three times and the word "hoe" in a comment relating to a black President and his black wife.

Sure, John...

Shanna said...

Wish I hadn't ssen that - West Wing's Dule Hill was there, laughing at all the hateful bullshit. I had respect for him.,

Oh no, not Gus! I’m going to pretend he was laughing at something that happened on Psych.

My biggest problem with this is that roasts are supposed to be humor with a little bit of good will and there was no good will there. Or humor, but that's a separate issue.

Oh hey, is beth around? I’m going to New Orleans for a week in June! I’m planning to hit Café Du Monde, because I’ve never been there.

John said...

No Jeremy I don't listen to Savage. I honestly don't know who he is. But I really don't care what he says. No matter what it is, it shouldn't get him banned from GB or any other civilized country. I value my First Amendment rights and his and every other person's by extension more than I value not being offended. You should do the same.

bagoh20 said...

Of course, many on the left wanted Bush to fail and worked hard to get it. They partly got their wish and it resulted in success for their party and candidate. I doubt many on the left would have chosen Bush to have ended his administration with 80% approval ratings even if it meant getting a healthy economy out of it.

If I had a neighbor who was trying to convince everyone to rob the rich people in the next neighborhood. I would want him to fail, even if it meant my poor neighbors stay poor temporarily. The alternative is that robbery becomes a way of life and that has no future.

I want Obama to fail and never get his policies implemented and the country to recover anyway, like it always has.

srfwotb said...

I was unsober in Aspen when some friends and I first caught a Wanda Sykes special on cable early in the AM about six years ago. I thought she was hilarious.

I couldn't even watch this one long enough to get to the ugly bit.

The whole thing was just...awkward. From the little I saw she was straining. No one knew how far she could go or whether or not to laugh. Obama looked like he was trying to be a good host more than anything - buffer the situation at hand.

Stopped the youtube before it got to the main event. I'm a canary in the coal mine when it comes to this sort of thing. Don't enjoy gawking.

former law student said...

John said

There were tons of people who openly said that they hoped the US would lose and be taught a lesson about the dangers of aggression. I knew lots of them. They were certainly posting all over the internet.

While john said

All you decent human beings on the left would never wish death on someone they disagreed with , or even wish failure on their elected leaders. Would you?


Let's take up the second half of that statement first. I would say it did not stand for the proposition asserted. The linked photo appeared on the Craig Kilborn show following W.'s nomination as a candidate for President in 2000.

Was Craig Kilborn a leftist? In my experience, fratboy assholes like him are usually Republican.

Further, at that point, Governor Bush was the elected leader of Texas only. Non-Texans did not owe him any more respect than Americans owe, say, Sarkozy.

Taking up the first half of the statement, we see a picture of two anarchists holding a banner in a protest before the US invasion of Iraq. The banner wished harm on our military leaders.

Again, the reference does not support the proposition asserted. The banner carriers were not leftists but anarchists. The US was still at peace, so there was no question of lack of supporting our troops or their officers. Officers do not determine which war they will fight, so there can be no disagreement between them and any Americans, only between Americans and their elected leaders.

srfwotb said...

Having said all that I find it absurd this impulse to keep track of which professional talking head has denounced what in the strongest possible terms.

It's like watching ants engaged in a rectitude pissing contest. Are they really that important? Do they really have that much sway as "opinion-makers" that it matters how they respond to every minute moral dilemma?

John said...

"The banner carriers were not leftists but anarchists. The US was still at peace, so there was no question of lack of supporting our troops or their officers. Officers do not determine which war they will fight, so there can be no disagreement between them and any Americans, only between Americans and their elected leaders"

Apparently you either didn't notice or ignored the link to the 2007 poll that found that 19% of self identified Democrats at that time thought that the US losing the war in Iraq would be a good thing. Again, it is just one poll, but even if it is 14% off in the right direction, one in twenty self identified Democrats, not anarchists but Democrats, were actively hoping for the US to lose in Iraq.

Let's not rewrite history. We all lived it and we all know the truth that a significant number of Democrats wanted the US to fail in Iraq. Not all but certainly a sizable minority.

Jeremy said...

John said..."No Jeremy I don't listen to Savage. I honestly don't know who he is. But I really don't care what he says. No matter what it is, it shouldn't get him banned from GB or any other civilized country."

If you haven't heard him your argument is diminished.

Believe me, I'm all for the 1st Amendment, but I'm also against people screaming fire in a crowded room.

I'm also against people threatening to kill Americans or commit terrorists acts...and you and I both know Homeland Security would not allow anybody from another country to enter if they heard those "expressions of speech."

Jeremy said...

John - I forgot to add: The last time I looked, Savage is the 3rd most popular radio host in America, right behind Limbaugh and Hannity.

Now that's scary.

Jeremy said...

John - "Apparently you either didn't notice or ignored the link to the 2007 poll that found that 19% of self identified Democrats at that time thought that the US losing the war in Iraq would be a good thing."

WOW...19%??

55% of Americans believe God created humans in their current form.

37% believe in creationism.

40% of Americans believe Saddam was behind 9/11.

ElcubanitoKC said...

Jeremy said...
[...]
WOW...19%??

55% of Americans believe God created humans in their current form.

37% believe in creationism.

40% of Americans believe Saddam was behind 9/11.

4:39 PM
.

Using the same logic, shouldn't we then question the fact that those same people seem to, or at least claim to support the current president?

David said...

Jen said...
Holy crap. You people are on a tare.
Yes, Jen, here we are on our pallets, about to get weighed, packaged, shipped and delivered.

Palladian said...

Jen, honey, "Jeremy" is a convicted panty sniffer. I'd stay away from him if I was you. His 1980 Ford Fiesta has a backseat full of stolen soiled panties.

Palladian said...

Now THAT'S comedy!

I'M going to START RANDOMLY capitalizing WORDS just like "JEREMY" DOES!

IT'S GOOD because IT conveys just the RIGHT MIX OF loudmouthed POMPOSITY and INSANITY.

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