November 7, 2008

"That’s cruel and it’s mean-spirited, it’s immature, it’s unprofessional, and those guys are jerks..."

Sarah Palin slams the unnamed McCain aides who slammed her.

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Meade said...

She is exactly right about that and someone like John McCain needs to step up and kick their pitiful little asses. If he won't do it, Sarah Palin will have to and damn it, McCain, haven't you already made her suffer enough? Just what goes on in your brain anyway?

Lem said...

They want to keep using her like a reality freak show.

She got voted off and they keep trashing her in exchange for face time.

They are jerks.

Matt Eckert said...

She should rip them a new one. These creeps are part of the cabal of hoity-toity media and academics who will try to destroy anyone who is not part of their club. We need some one to go after them and destroy their influence before it is too late!

They already are planning to take our young people away from their families and putting them in re-education camps to indoctrinate them. To force them to perform “community service.” We need to resist with all our might.

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

miller said...

Time for Palin to say, "Yeah, they don't have the courage to step out into the light and it to my face. My guess is that they're afraid of strong women. However, I'm bigger than that. I'll be here when they want to come out. Until then, I have no comment. Next."

Skeptical said...

I thought that I would not find anything about the media coverage of her shocking anymore. But that the media presented that 'she thought Africa was a country, not a continent' tale as if it were at all credible is, itself, almost incredible.

miller said...

People want to believe the worst about her. So any factoid is "true" until proved false.

JAL said...

The interview Maxine linked to with the Anchorage morning ride rock station was interesting.

She said she had heard a little about the interview (Africa, towel). Her response? That was "...friggin' bizarre!"

mrs whatsit said...

It's worse than that, miller, the worst factoids are still treated as true even AFTER they're proved false. If you haven't already, try to convince somebody who hates her that she's not a creationist or that Wasilla didn't make rape victims pay for rape kits. You will get nowhere, I promise, not even if you stand over them and make them click on the links and read the truth for themselves.

McCain really needs to stand up and say something. Not that Palin needs him to -- she can take care of herself -- but he's got to speak anyway, or else he is not the honorable man I believed him to be.

TitusGuessWho'sComingToDinner said...

She is right. They are total slime.

All she did for them in this campaign and that is the treatment she receives.

It is disugsting and wrong.

I am glad she is fighting back. She does not deserve this.

chickenlittle said...

McCain really needs to stand up and say something.

Perhaps he'll spill to Leno next week.

Michael said...

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called former aides of Sen. John McCain "jerks" for circulating unflattering stories about her

But she didn't dispute any of the "jerk's"...comments.

Geeeeeee, I wonder why?

Darcy said...

I agree with you, mrs. whatsit.

But I think I'm already disappointed in John McCain over the treatment of Sarah Palin.

He's really slow on the uptake. Sheesh.

Michael said...

Anybody who thinks this isn't the start of some of the "real" background on this slime bag is kidding themselves...or...one of the wingnuts here everyday.


I still bet she didn't have the kid.

TitusGuessWho'sComingToDinner said...

There are two new hot guys that moved into the loft downstairs in my building. They have some really skinny dog like a whippit or something. I want to do them. I am trying to google them and get some info about them.

Also, the guy that moved in right next to me is a Japanese political expert and works at the American Interprise Institute. He writes for the Wall Street Journal. He is only 30. He is hot too and I would like to do him but he has some Japanese girl hanging around.

miller said...

It's sad, but the lies about Palin are endlessly repeated by those who are threatened by her. Somehow the fact that she did, indeed, take on the Alaska political establishment and win is overlooked by the snarky comments and conflation of Tina Fey's parody with the real Palin.

Har har it's so funny.

But sad, and a lot of leftists are completely blind to the way people (yes, PEOPLE!) like Hillary and Palin are destroyed by the left.

I don't get it - are leftist women in love with abuse so they can't protest against it?

birdie bob said...

McCain should have been the first one to repudiate the gossip and to have done so in a highly public manner. He was the first to criticize his allies when they did something he thought untoward so it's only fair he defend his choice for running mate. I'm extremely disappointed in the lack of conviction of someone who obviously posseses the trait in large quantities.

Lem said...

did titus just make a salient point or is my kiking in early?

miller said...

Lem... wha???

Lem said...

Oh well,, there he goes.

Seven Machos said...

Anyone who actually reads the article would conclude that Palin says that she did not say what she was alleged to have said about geography and NAFTA.

Lem said...

Lem... wha???

What is what indeed.

Donn said...

It's politics of personal destruction.

miller said...

Lem - no, I mean like "wha...?" as in "wha...?"

You know.

miller said...

seven, you are assuming our Vermicious Knid is capable of reason.

TitusGuessWho'sComingToDinner said...

I am watching Guess Who's Coming to Dinner.

What a good movie.

Kate Hepburn tour de force.

Lem said...

what's kiking in early?

miller said...

No, who's kiking in early.

what's gonfolating in January.

Meade said...

"I don't get it - are leftist women in love with abuse so they can't protest against it?"

It's like the Jesse Jackson Syndrome: they want to cut their nuts out or something.

TitusGuessWho'sComingToDinner said...

I have always said I find Palin interesting. Don't agree with her politics but I actually kind of like her.

I find what some of the Mccain people are doing is repulsive.

If they feel she was so awful then they should all be looking in the mirror and take responsibility for the choices they made. First and foremost, Mccain, should issue some sort of statement or press announcement.

I also cringed at Mccain's concession speech. Palin was emotional but stoic and he gave her a lame hug and hand shake. He should of embraced that woman with a big hug and thank you.

Lem said...

what's gonfolating in January.

No idea,

Donn said...

Titus,

Excellent comments!

TitusGuessWho'sComingToDinner said...

Spencer Tracey was dieing during the filming of the movie.

He never lived to see the movie.

Lem said...

You have foliage later.

but gonfolating?

Seven Machos said...

McCain was a candidate that nobody particularly wanted. He was polling in the single digits before he somehow won in New Hampshire. I am much happier about the outcome of the election than I thought I would be.

Palin was not a good choice for McCain because she proved to be such a lightning rod for controversy, however genuinely conservative and authentically human she may be. I wish her the very best in the future.

Michael said...

Washington Post's Reliable Sources column reports on more Palin clothing expenditures, this time for Todd:

On top of the $150,000 first outlined in Federal Election Commission filings, Palin spent "tens of thousands of dollars" on additional clothing, makeup and jewelry for herself and her family, including $40,000 in luxury goods for her husband, Todd, our colleague Michael Shear reports.

The campaign was charged for silk boxer shorts, spray tanners and 13 suitcases to carry all the designer clothes, according to two GOP insiders.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/07/sarah-palin-spent-40000-o_n_142247.html

Seven Machos said...

You can digress, but digress creatively. Amuse us!

miller said...

Yay! Our professional smearer is back, this time with actual factual links to Huff-Po, that paragon of objectivity.

Tell me, schnorrer, when someone tries to post something about McCain or Palin that's not negative or defend them, do they get to stay around?

Seven Machos said...

Michael is a tool. That's really a profound truth, if you think about what a tool is and what Michael does.

It would suck to be used like that, a whore going around to fairly minor blogs and blowing words for the sake of others.

Michael said...
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Seven Machos said...

Tool.

miller said...

I have no idea what "kiking" means. As far as I know, it's a made-up word.

But thanks for trotting out your supersensitivity.

Lem said...

LEM - KIKING

Based on Althouse use of the word Amerika earlier.

Nice try Mitchell.

Lem said...

I had no idea that kiking meant that.

Ovioulsly, I'm not a liberal ;)

TitusGuessWho'sComingToDinner said...

Now Streetcar Named Desire is on TCM.

Love this movie.

It makes New Orleans see so sexy, hot, steamy and thrilling.

I wonder what it is like to live in New Orleans now after Katrina. I have a friend that I worked with here in NYC and he ended up moving back there last year because his mom had a stroke. He lived in NYC for 20 years and moved back. I wonder what his life is now down there. I should call him.

Vivian Leigh is amazing in this movie.

She went crazy in her later life-how sad, she was so beautiful.

miller said...

Funny, on other blogs I'm accused of being Jewish. Here, I'm accused of being anti-Semitic.

I denounce myself.

Seven Machos said...

I wish these Jew-hating Republicans would stop sacrificing American foreign policy on the altar of Israel.

miller said...

We are all Cedarfordians now.

/Keynes

Lem said...

I thought the use of K letters close togher meant KKK.

I'm lost.

Seven Machos said...

It's all very complex. Let me sum up it up for you: Republicans stupid evil.

miller said...

Seven, that's too easy. Can you back off a bit?

Maybe RETHUGLICANS FASCIST BABY-KILLERS?

Oh, and CHENEYHALLIBURTONOIL

Lem said...

It's all very complex. Let me sum up it up for you: Republicans stupid evil.

that sounds about right seven.

the funny thing is I grew up in a mostly democratic household.

Pogo said...

Since I stopped watching TV news or reading any mainstream newspapers or their online stories, it hardly seems to matter.

They're all fighting over a dwindling audience and now that BHO no longer needs them they'll actually have to report to get readers, or just chuck it all and become daily versions of People magazine.

I bet on the latter.


P.S. Don't feed the Michael troll. He bites and leaves his detritus all over the place. I just see blah blah blah whenever his name pops up. Reminds me of the guy in that old SNL skit "The Thing That Wouldn't Leave."

Michael said...
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miller said...

Yah, me too - both parents Democrats.

What sealed the deal for me was working for a living and seeing all that money sucked out of my paycheck by bloated governments that treated my opinion with contempt. I voted (R) ever since I started earning a living.

Maybe if I was living off the government teat I might consider the benefits of the (D) team.

Lem said...

It seems like somethings still go on the the name of politics (mostly on the part of the left) that used to go on in the name of God.

This language persecution reminds me of the crusades.

Lem said...

And LEM...you're also this ignorant?

I realize some here aren't that sharp, but I find it hard to believe you two don't understand what you're saying.


the political cutting edge is to be well versed in hate speech?

miller said...

Yah, I don't consider the troll worth noticing. I'm wondering why (s)he still is around after being told by Ann to go away.

My thought is, here's a poor soul stuck in bed with the 'flu, and mommy hasn't come down to the basement with the soup yet, so (s)he hangs around here for attention.

I have no other explanation for his/her irrationality and hatred.

Michael said...
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Lem said...

And that's giving you that you are correct about waht kiking might mean.

miller said...

But Lem, I would like to point out that when you give the troll attention (s)he returns the favor with another drop of spoor.

It's like playing with frogs until they pee on you. Fun the first time. But then, not so much.

Michael said...
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Seven Machos said...

What sealed the deal for me was working for a living

This is me, too. Thus, we see that the Republican party is the party of the middle class and small business. I know many rich people. They are almost all Democrats. My parents were poor and voted Democratic.

Anyway, you can't win them all no matter what, and the current Republican leadership had it coming. I would much rather have had Hillary Clinton, because she is such a known and more centrist commodity.

miller said...

It's a desperate cry for attention.


"Love me, daddy!"

Michael said...
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Lem said...

you lying piece of shit?

do you know me at all?

or is this a reflection you are puttin gon me.

Darcy said...

My parents were both staunch Dems, too. But they were beginning to realize the Democratic party had left them.

And they raised 7 children - 6 of whom are conservatives.

Michael said...
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miller said...

Lem, here's how to handle it:

Think of it as a radio tuned to a station playing recorded messages, and the content of the messages is controlled by a computer looking for keywords in your response.

There's no intelligence there.

It's just random noise. Like static on a TV set.

Pogo said...

Michael's rants are somewhat more interesting if you actually only read every other word.

"Are actually you're ignorant?

LEM... also ignorant?

realize here that, but find hard believe two understand you're.

miller a of, too.

Who fuck you be around like and say just understand? disgusting."


Like a bad cell phone connection.

Seven Machos said...

You'd think that leftist tools would be jubilant and have better things to do. It's really rather sad.

It's Friday night. I have a young kid. I have an excuse. Your candidate just won. Go out and get laid.

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Seven Machos said...

I don't mind the actual anti-Semite here. That would be Cedarford, who says something interesting once in a blue moon.

I do hate the tools and trolls. I, for one, believe that Althouse should ban people who show a continual and vexing inability to engage in remotely reasonable conversation.

1jpb said...

It's politics of personal destruction.

What? The Rs are taking part in the politics of personal destruction? And, they used Fox to disseminate their attacks?

Say it ain't so.

Not so much fun when it's intraparty, is it.

P.S.
When the receipts are reimbursed, and the RNC books are made public, will this be as phony as Michelle's Iranian caviar, or her whitey comment, or the letter "B" lady, or at least another dozen lies spread by the right wing media?

Time will tell.

P.P.S.
Palin tells us that the attorneys aren't going to her house to look in her closets.

This still leaves a lot of room for RNC folks to audit her clothing stash, assuming that the stash is anywhere in Alaska other than her house. And, for the record, she was not answering a question about her house, even though her answer pretended that she was. I would assume that she didn't want to acknowledge that the RNC is in Alaska to take back her new duds.

We are told by anonymous McCain staffers that there are receipts for silk underwear. What are they going to do if the RNC auditors can't find these underwear in the non-Palin-house parts of Alaska.

Or, worse what if they do find them: will they be clean?

It's pretty bad when some in the McCain campaign are literally talking about Palin's dirty laundry.

Lem said...

"kiking"

Michael stay with me, dont curse your way out of brooom.

You dont know that I've stayed here on till morning a few times. (see kiking above) with some aid (see kiking in)

When miller asked kiking what - i thouht oh boy - miller knows. so I was like i didnt know anything.

Seven Machos said...

I do tell Cedarford to fuck off pretty often. At least he says something interesting, though. At least he challenges me at some intellectual level, instead of merely insulting and calling names.

This is just silly.

Donn said...

Seven,

Has Cederford every explained his antisemitism? I've asked a couple times, but he never provided an answer.

Michael said...
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Lem said...

I'm going to repeat my earlier comment to illustrate michael's ignorance.

did titus just make a salient point or is my kiking in early?

Notice i didint say waht was kiking in early!

Michael - i need you to take that "piece of shit" comment back!

Pogo said...

Or else take mykal's coments and throw them around Google Translate for awhile, from english to all sorts of languages and then back.

I ended up with
"Why ... What we do not understand the anti-Jew?

It is a lie."

Michael said...
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Seven Machos said...

Take 1jpb, just for example. This commenter has an ax to grind, and seems to bring the latest breaking news this is going to sink the dastardly conservatives for sure news of the day entirely too often, which is really annoying because nobody gives a shit about 90 percent of it.

All of that said, 1jpb is calm and reasonable and engaging. Take note, tool.

Seven Machos said...

Lem -- You don't have to defend yourself against this Kafkaesque tribunal. Tell the tool to fuck off.

Lem said...

Michael is on his holier than thou race horse ready to stone anyone on his path.

Michael did you actually read the comments?

Pogo said...

Yeah seven machos, get some seld respect!

Myseld, I say, "Seld, be respectful." And then I am!

And then I tell others to be respectful of themselds also.

Seven Machos said...

Donn -- I don't know what Cedarford's deal is. He is always dropping in stuff about Jewish people, and occasionally about black and Hispanic people. Mostly, I ignore him because his posts are too long. I don't like him. But at least he makes a point.

I liken Cedarford to the old-school conservatives of the John Birch variety that William Buckley told to get the hell out.

Michael said...
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Darcy said...

Funny. I don't even know Seven. But that is so far from what I read into his posts and others that respond to him that it's laughable.

You're pathetic, Michael. And anyone with half a brain could figure out that Lem wasn't even close to saying anything anti-Semitic, as he just revealed, he was saying "kicking in".

Only a very sick brain continues to find the slurs and motives that you do.

Damn it. I did not want to address Michael, but I'm sick of reading his crap.

Lem said...

Lem -- You don't have to defend yourself against this Kafkaesque tribunal. Tell the tool to fuck off.

That's exactly waht he wants - but i wont because they have to learn somehow that that does not pass for dialog. it cant

1jpb said...

You love me.

[yes, this is a reference to earlier blather about using this phrase ironically]

Donn said...


I liken Cedarford to the old-school conservatives of the John Birch variety that William Buckley told to get the hell out.


Interesting. Do you think Maxine fits into this same category?

Michael said...
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Seven Machos said...

Maxine is really odd. I don't have any idea what she is talking about much of the time.

Lem said...

Lem: "...what's kiking in early?"
Ignorant fool.


I'm tempeted to tell you but you called me a piece of shit - sorry, you need to apologise b4 you get it!

Donn said...

Seven,

Agreed, but I find them both interesting in their own way. I like "quirky" people, though I'm not sure I would put Ced in that category.

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Revenant said...

RedState's "leper project" is an interesting response to this. :)

Seven Machos said...

Perhaps Miller has decided to do something productive. That's what I'm going to.

Fuck you, Michael, for ruining another perfectly good thread.

Althouse, please take note.

Pogo said...

Michael's posts are almost fun if one is able to imagine them as sung in a high-pitched voice, opera style, by a fat pasty man in his underoos, sweatily cleaving to his vinyl chair.

Because, really, that has got to be pretty close to the truth, right?

Donn said...

Lem,

You're wasting your time, he'll never apologize. He's called me a liar, racist, and who knows what else. It's best to pretend he's not even here, he's not interested in dialogue.

I don't know why Ann hasn't followed through on her banning the guy.

Lem said...

Michael you have a problem - here i'm with english as my third language making you quiver

i'm sure that's not thr spelling but that waht you are here for. you are my goal kiker.

SteveR said...

Michael,

You've really got to get a life. Seriously, is this the best you can do? Is this fun? Does calling people names, while arguing with them, demonstrate anything but immaturity. Commenters like Seven have been dealing with trolls like you for a long time and you're going to have to step up your game.

Lem said...

I have explained to this guy as best as my faculties have provided me that he is wrong.

I give up!

Palladian said...

Well, Seven Machos, the difference between ijpb and "Michael" is the difference between an annoying silly person with dumb ideas and a troll. This thread provides a clear illustration of the difference between the two types of commenters. I remember that not long ago, I was assailed by Beth and others for having the temerity to call "Michael" a troll, and was accused of simply labeling it that because I didn't "agree" with it. But "Michael's" subsequent history on this site vindicates my initial assessment. This is classical troll behavior. Everyone says "well if you don't like it, ignore it" but you can see by this thread that that strategy is impossible with a determined troll. Blogger doesn't offer any way for commenters or site owners to downmod and hide troll comments. The persistence of the troll and the quantity and incendiary nature of its comments quickly hobbles any attempt at reading or commenting intelligently on the the subject of the blog post that it infects.

For instance, you're reading Althouse and see this post. You decide to add a thoughtful comment on the subject of Sarah Palin and the media. You click through and then you see 50 abusive, sub-literate comments by the troll, and 50 comments by others directed at the troll and you say to yourself "why bother? No one will read my comment in the middle of this shitstorm". Any you'd be right. That's exactly what the troll is trying to do. It's vandalism and assault against the website it chooses to attack and there's nothing Blogger allows the reader or site owner to do about it. The only thing you can do is try to ignore the troll. But, again, that soon becomes impossible because no one else is going to ignore it. So it succeeds and drives away intelligent commenters of all ideological stripes leaving a wreck in its wake.

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Lem said...

kick the habit

kick the ball

there are two ks on those are they bad too?

This is waht Berluscony is having to explain

to him he was complimenting Obama - but it didnt translate well

why - the obsession some people have with sex and race.

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Donn said...

Excellent comments Pal!

Lem said...

Palla said

The persistence of the troll and the quantity and incendiary nature of its comments quickly hobbles any attempt at reading or commenting intelligently on the the subject of the blog post that it infects.

Right - I'm not used to being called a piece of shit. and no matter how much i try to ignore it, its hard.

Palladian said...

"Althouse, please take note."

I'm sure she does. But what can she do? She asked this troll not to ruin her comments section anymore, but of course it's not going to respect her wishes. So here it stays. If everyone completely ignored it, it might go away, though that isn't a certainty. But everyone won't or can't ignore it. And so it goes. This is a good example of why England's strategy of simultaneously disarming both the citizens and their ground-level law enforcement is a complete disaster. Being a commenter and blog-owner at Blogger is like being a Subject of the Crown. You get to watch your comment section's civilization disintegrate and there's nothing you can do about it. Freedom of speech (including commenting on blogs) can't exist without a means with which to defend it against enemies.

1jpb said...

From my silly, annoying, and dumb perspective I can't understand why so many of y'all are claiming you dislike Micheal's participation?

As I scan the comments I see that he is responsible for a lot of back and forth chit chat. W/o him a lot of these threads would be seriously boring echo chambers. I think many of you would get bored w/o Michael. I'm assuming that many of you appreciate debate, but this may not be true for all (many?) of you.

This thread, for example, would be a lot more boring w/o Micheal. And, with him many of you get to gang up. He seems to increase your camaraderie.

And, he's so clearly outnumbered, if you get rid of him all you'll have left is your group think in some of these threads. Maybe that's what you like.

Lem said...

palladian, you're a silly little man.

Suck my dick.


I see what you are all saying.

Darcy said...

"it"

LOL.

Donn said...

This is what I have noticed about Michael.

Every once is a while he comes in and makes somewhat normal left-wing talking points, and is generally nice to people.

At other times he is just like he is tonight. Of course, everyone is this or that, but it's really Michael who is the person he's describing.

I can only come to the conclusion that it must be meds, or lack of meds, which cause these extremes of behavior.

Lem said...

And, he's so clearly outnumbered, if you get rid of him all you'll have left is your group think in some of these threads. Maybe that's what you like.

does that excuse "suck my dick" and "piece of shit"?

Palladian said...

"W/o him a lot of these threads would be seriously boring echo chambers."

Reading 1000 comments by someone telling you to "suck their dick" and "eat shit" isn't boring?

"I think many of you would get bored w/o Michael. I'm assuming that many of you appreciate debate, but this may not be true for all (many?) of you."

Again, having someone post 1000 comments slinging false accusations of antisemitism and telling people to "eat shit" and "suck my dick" isn't debate. It's vandalism and abuse and you're just accepting it because it has the effect of silencing your ideological opponents. You're like the shopkeeper who praises the mafia's takeover of your street because "at least they keep the petty criminals out".

Pogo said...

Damn good stuff, Palladian.

Seven Machos said...

ijpb -- No. Palladian is jaw-droppingly correct. I hope that Althouse sees this thread and I will encourage her to do so, as it is a textbook example of ruining.

I come here for a reason: to engage a wide range of opinion, including yours. I don't want a choir of right-wing thought. That's boring. I don't want a flurry of insults. That's boring, too. I want insightful conversation among an ever-changing but intimate group, which is what this place provides at its best, perfectly.

I said something earlier about a vexing inability to engage in reasonable discussion. Something like that. That is a proper threshold, and it's been crosssed by this troll.

Althouse has banned people before. She should ban this guy. It really is a kind of vandalism.

Donn said...

You're like the shopkeeper who praises the mafia's takeover of your street because "at least they keep the petty criminals out".

Hey, go easy there. I lived in Las Vegas for two years and a lot of the old-timers said the town had less crime and was better run when the Mob controlled Vegas.

Palladian said...

"Every once is a while he comes in and makes somewhat normal left-wing talking points, and is generally nice to people.

At other times he is just like he is tonight."

The reason for this can be found in a quote from "The Exorcist" that I like to trot out when another, smarter, more evil and insidious troll DTL appears:

“He is a liar, the demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, Damien, and powerful. So don't listen, remember that, do not listen.”

Lem said...

Palla said

Freedom of speech (including commenting on blogs) can't exist without a means with which to defend it against enemies.

Althouse had a post earlier today that kind of resembles what we have here.

remember her post about cursing on tv and the meaning of the f word?

I was working but i found myself taking time to post a comment or two.

Lem said...

Some people will abuse priviledges

1jpb said...

Y'all seem to miss that he's taking some serious incoming. And, he's taking it from a huge number of commentors.

I think he fires back so hard because he's sort-of under siege. Some of y'all write seriously harsh comments about him. And, there's a lot of quick escalation of the heat and dredging up the past animosity.

I'm shocked that he doesn't get tired and move on. He's tenacious, even against a very stacked deck which may leave him a bit frazzled.

Lem said...

some people will abuse rights too.

Palladian said...

"Althouse has banned people before. She should ban this guy. It really is a kind of vandalism."

But I don't think she has the actual technological tools with which to ban commenters, because Blogger doesn't give them to the blog owner. In truth, it's hard to keep a determined troll away, even with IP-based banning though I don't think "Michael" is smart enough to get around those hurdles though so I think if the tools were available, they would be effective in his case.

I believe that Althouse's "bans" primarily consist of telling commenters that they're not welcome and deleting enough of their comments that they decide on their own to go away. That strategy works sometimes but probably won't work on "Michael".

Donn said...

He's tenacious

I think a better word is crazy.

Palladian said...

"Y'all seem to miss that he's taking some serious incoming. And, he's taking it from a huge number of commentors."

But you can see that it has little effect other than to increase his commenting frequency and amplify his abusiveness. That's another thing that makes him a classic internet troll.

Seven Machos said...

Palladian -- All of that is true. I guess I am presupposing that even this troll would have the decency to go away if told by the property owner to go away. Not sure why.

It did work for the others, though. That crazy Mary.

Michael said...
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Donn said...

Hey Pal,

I started a post to you the other day using all GG album titles, but it got too silly so I deleted it!

Lem said...

I dont think is that hard to keep it respectfull.

Althouse asked us to do just that on the story of the professor pulling McCain signs and then posting about it on Huffpo.

We saw her ban somebody for the night.

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Pogo said...

My first rotation in medical school was on an inpatient psychiatry floor. I learned two valuable rules which I find to still be true almost 25 years later.

1. If the team meeting spends more than three or four minutes talking about one patient, then that patient almost certainly has a personality disorder.

2. If you first meet a patient and within just a few minutes you want to slap him, and you have no idea why, then that patient almost certainly has a personality disorder.

Seven Machos said...

Long ago, Althouse toyed with banning cuss words. But that didn't work because curse words can be fucking poetic in the hands of an artist.

She needs to ban trolling and she needs to define it in some way, even if it's I know when I see it. That standard wouldn't be bad, actually, because it's a standard of community standards, and she could let her core community decide when someone has crossed the line.

I don't mind these one-and-done weirdos who come over from where ever they come from, left and right. I hate the continuous, spam-like meaninglessness that ruins thread after thread after thread.

Palladian said...

"It did work for the others, though. That crazy Mary."

No, she still comments occasionally. But Althouse diligently nukes her comments into oblivion, leaving no trace, not even the telltale "This post has been removed by the blog administrator".


"I started a post to you the other day using all GG album titles, but it got too silly so I deleted it!"

:)

You'd be playing the fool.

Lem said...

I like the pogo rules ;)

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Palladian said...

"That standard wouldn't be bad, actually, because it's a standard of community standards, and she could let her core community decide when someone has crossed the line."

Many community sites have a system of comment rating (like /.) that allow users to upmod or downmod comments and hides comments below a certain rating threshold. This system, like all others seems to have its advantages and disadvantages and probably works for larger communities than this one. But it doesn't matter because as long as Althouse is on Blogger, she doesn't have this or any other options available to her.

Donn said...

I don't mind these one-and-done weirdos who come over from where ever they come from, left and right. I hate the continuous, spam-like meaninglessness that ruins thread after thread after thread.

Yeah, the one-timers can be kinda fun, but persistent trolls just the opposite.

It's not a case of acquiring the taste.

Lem said...

Long ago, Althouse toyed with banning cuss words. But that didn't work because curse words can be fucking poetic in the hands of an artist.

Web.3 is supposed to have the early stages of AI. it might be possible to guess who is trolling but firs somebody needs to write some basic rules.

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Donn said...

And for sure, it's not a good idea to give everyone a free hand.

1jpb said...

I like being banned.

Anytime banning is discussed is an opportunity to brag about my history of being banned from myDD and talkleft. These are like battle scars, except that they're completely meaningless, so in fact they're not anything like battle scars, but other than that they're the same.

P.S.
A while back I probably would have been banned here too, if it was possible. I've been taken to the woodshed by Althouse.

So, I have real sympathy for Michael.

P.P.S.
I'm currently quasi-banned (asked to never comment again) by vbspurs

Seven Machos said...

palladian, you're by far far one of the very least intellectual contributors to this site

1jpb -- Care to defend such a blatantly poor and useless and false argument? No? Okay, now multiply said argument times 25. That's the number of these kinds of comments that this troll fills threads with. No fun to try to ignore. Not worth it.

Donn said...

1,

I have to ask. Why were you banned at MyDD and Talkleft?

Lem said...

Language (w/o the kind obsessed by Michael) is an ocean of possibilities.

The more consice one can be the better.

(pardon the mis-spellings, again)

Palladian said...

"I have to ask. Why were you banned at MyDD and Talkleft?"

From what I've seen, it's actually pretty easy to get banned from those sites, especially Talkleft.

Michael said...

seven, do you understand how ridiculous your comments relating me me "ruining" the thread is?

Read the last 20 comments.

Where's the beef?

1jpb said...

Well, up thread you'll see that Palladian referred to me as silly annoying and dumb.

What did I do?

I claimed this description for my self in my following comment.

It's a sticks and stones thing. Who really cares? Not me.

I doubt many Althouse commentors are so thin skinned that they would be offended by name calling.

Donn said...

From what I've seen, it's actually pretty easy to get banned from those sites, especially Talkleft.

For what, not toeing the party line (which shouldn't be a prob with 1)?

Maybe something else is the missing piece?

Zeb Quinn said...

I lived in Las Vegas for two years and a lot of the old-timers said the town had less crime and was better run when the Mob controlled Vegas.

I was born and raised in Vegas and left there in 1967 after high school to go away to college. It was a much better place in the 50s and 60s. I can't stand to go back there anymore, my own old hometown.

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Lem said...

You could start by having bloogers get together - all kinds of bloggers - and having a face to face convention?

maybe it would be easier to come up with basic, just basic rules.

Seven Machos said...

Another thing that makes a troll is a huge trail of poor, crappy posts. I have certainly posted things at Althouse that I wish I hadn't on occasion. Never, however, did I accuse someone of anti-Semitism for a grammatical error and post on and on about it, just for example.

Trolling is a character flaw and, like other character flaws, it is something that only becomes evident over time.

1jpb said...

myDD: being too proBHO during the primary

talkleft: same

Full disclosure: A few weeks ago I was reinstated at talkleft, after a few months of being banned.

LoafingOaf said...

I don't have anything against Palladian. He seems like a fun guy, though he seems to be having a great deal of difficulty accepting Obama's victory, and doesn't seem willing to open his eyes to why that happened (he'll just blame the media). But it's a bit ridiculous for him to be calling for a commenter to be banned over saying "suck my dick" and over throwing around accusations of various ists and isms, when Palladian is known to instantly call you a "sexist" if you say one dispagaing word about Palin, and then will start telling you you are afraid of Palin's "snapping pussy hiding under your bed" or whatever it was.

Also, the Palin fans can spare me about how mean everyone's being to Sarah Palin. This is a candidate who ran around the country basically saying Obama is a fan of terrorists and that some parts of America are not "real America". Obama is not a fan of terrorists, and all of America is America.

That woman who doesn't even know what countries are in NAFTA should go back to Alaska and educate herself if she wants to be on the national stage again. And, after 7-time felon Ted Stevens was re-elected in that state, I'm not =all that impressed that Palin was elected Governor there.

Whatever the case, it is not our fault that the Republicans asked us to vote for such an ignorant, unfit Vice Presidential candidate. We are not "fake" Americans for noticing the truth about her. Thomas Jefferson would no doubt turn in his grave if we had elected her. Our founding fathers were not advocates of electing ignoramuses to high office, and it would be all the more dangerous to do so now that America is a super power at war and in the middle of a economic crisis.

miller said...

The thing is, I really don't even care what the schnorrer says. It's not even to the level of spam e-mail.

Like, somehow I'm hurt by power words? I don't get it. That's the tactics of a schoolboy, especially a schoolboy who wants to be a bully but doesn't have the physical tools or the mental acuity to fight or fight back.

But the tendentiousness of the argument, and the silly scabrous talk -- it just get tiresome. I don't mind give-and-take between the right and the left, but it's only marginally better than c4's Protocols of the Elders of Zion being dumped out at every chance, like a sort of anti-Semitic Sixth Sense.

No, (s)he's not really a human being - (s)he'd not pass a Turing test for rationality.

Donn said...

Hi Zeb,

We're close to the same age.

I lived there in the late '80s, off Rainbow Lane on the west side. When I was there that was pretty much the outskirts of town, now that's practically downtown.

Seven Machos said...

Great, ijpb, now you can bring over all the fresh hot and now evil things that we found out about evil Republicans that will surely sink them forever and ever on an even more frequent basis.

Pogo said...

Absent some electronic coercion, nothing would work.

Will no one rid me of this troublesome troll?

Lem said...

I can't help but notice how none of the regulars have come up with a defense of miller and lem throwing out the "kiking" term over and over again.

Fukiking Mikel kono hijo e la gran puta que te pario.

do you feel better now?

SEND ME AN EMAIL HERE - LEMANG01@HOTMAIL.COM

HAVE THE BALLS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION - ON THE PHONE

cardeblu said...

My scroll wheel works just fine...

...although my finger does get tired sometimes.

miller said...

Lem, I loved this:

Language is an ocean of possibilities.

Ann really should abandon her vow of cruel nullity and use this as her Blogorithm.

Seven Machos said...

1jpb: The facts are that

(1) the conservatives insult you,

(2) and that you have been banned at other sites

(3) but that no one here has come close to suggesting that you are anything less than a full-fledged, bona fide commenter.

What does that say about the troll?

Lem said...

I mean, you guys remember when some New Yorker Magazine lumped the professor with the vast right wing conspiracy - she felt really hurt - i dont know if it came across that way but it did to me.

she made a minor remark and they accused her of conspiring against Obama - of all things!

LoafingOaf said...

Typo in above post: dispagaing=disparaging

I realize it's difficult to admit publicly that a politician you voted for turned out to be a dunce. I've been there! I voted for Bush. I still think I can sorta make a case for voting for Bush's re-election, because Kerry was such a crap candidate who would've done great harm in Iraq IMHO. Also, if we had elected Kerry, we would've have this historic moment with Obama this week.

I may have been one of the last peopel to realize what an incompetent and rotten president Bush is, but when I did realize it I said so! I know some of you must be disappointed at how Palin turned out, but you don't wanna admit it. Aren't you a little bit too attached to a politician if you're unwilling to admit that politician's massive failings when you see them in practice? If Palin had wanted to be a serious national-level candidate, she probably should've done what Althouse mentioned on bloggingheads, and what I mentioned in these comments many weeks before her: Prepped for the national stage and then entered the GOP primaries. Maybe then she would've, like, looked up what countries are in NAFTA......

Zeb Quinn said...

Donn:

I grew up in a little post-WWII tract home subdivsion called Hyde Park, near the intersection of Alta and Decatur, and went to Western High School, if you remember where that all was. That area you lived in was way out in the middle of the bare desert when I left.

Synova said...

Hey, I hope this is over but...

Michael had never heard of "kiking". He had no idea it was a slur or anything. He had to go look it up in the "urban dictionary" and then he *cut and paste* the definition into his comment, word for word. He didn't even restate it using different language.

(I'm still trying to figure out how going to a deli to eat "yummy treats" is a slur... but there you go.)

1jpb said...

Seven Machos,

In some ways I'm probably as trollish as Michael, but I'm better at hiding it.

For example, I stopped using the term "wingnut" because many here said that they were offended by that word (and I didn't even ridicule y'all about your thin skin--until just now.)

Lawgiver said...

This troll feeds on the new guys here. Someone fairly new will think the tool is a rational being capable of intelligent conversation and respond. Before they realize that the meatsack is indeed a troll they are hooked like a Crappie on 20 pound test line. Now if you don't actually address the tool it's cool, but do not respond to it directly. It lies, it whines, it cries, but in the end it will leave.

Lem said...

The professor posted some curses that night - they were rightious curses.

She said something inocuous and it was blown all out of proportion.

LoafingOaf said...

Also, if we had elected Kerry, we WOULDN'T have this historic moment with Obama this week, I meant.

Oh can't some of these right-wingers concede that it really does mean something that we have the first black prez? Everywhere I go this week, people are excited and happy about this, above and beyond partisan politics. But then I check on these comments and it's just such angry, unhappy people. Okay, you don't like that a Democrat is in the White House. I thought some of you understood it's not the end of the frickin' world when the other party wins an election. Conservatives actually got some significant accomplishments done while Clinton was Prez! Things they wouldn't have gotten done with a Republican prez (such as welfare reform).

Seven Machos said...

Oaf -- I think that at least half of what you suggest in your criticism of Palin is false, and the other half is innuendo. We don't know what kind of national politician she is because hasn't been one. By all accounts, she is a dynamite campaigner and a very popular governor.

All of that said, you are right that she was a bad pick because she was a lightning rod for criticism. More importantly, though, McCain was a bad candidate. What did he stand for, other than his McCain-ness. Here we have a man, just for example, who admitted that he knows very little about economics yet rushed off to Washington in the midst of his campaign to "solve" a liquidity crisis.

You can't blame Palin.

Lem said...

Synova to the rescue.

Is that what he did?

Seven Machos said...

Oh can't some of these right-wingers concede that it really does mean something that we have the first black prez

Oaf -- You are showing tremendous ignorance here. That's all I've read about, for the last two days, and pretty much all I read is right-wing websites for politics.

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Seven Machos said...

Wingnut is a ridiculous word.

Seven Machos said...

I had some yummy treats today. It is the free day on my diet. I'm terribly sorry. I did not mean to denigrate Jewish people.

Darcy said...

That's exactly right, Seven. And I think she only really became a lightning rod because she was a real perceived threat - by Obama's camp and the media. I think it is quite a badge of honor for her that she withstood such an onslaught.

And I do think a savvy campaign could have handled that. They just got caught generally flat footed on everything. There's only one person to blame for that.

Lem said...

btw - for the record - Michael has not taken me up on my invitation to a phone coversation.

I work for a well known nation wide company. the accusation that i might be racist or antisemetic i will not take ligthtly - not even from a troll.

Synova said...

That woman who doesn't even know what countries are in NAFTA...

This is another one of those things that truly begs the question of just who is the most uninformed and gullible. "That woman" is closely involved in trade issues and most certainly knows what countries are in NAFTA and other pertinent information because that's her JOB as a governor of a state that exports oil and imports everything, including oil. This is part of the "experience" of being a governor no one was interested in hearing about.

And, after 7-time felon Ted Stevens was re-elected in that state, I'm not =all that impressed that Palin was elected Governor there.

Well, what can you do... Murtha got re-elected again, too. Ted Kennedy spent his whole life being reelected. And I think I heard that Joe Biden was elected as VP and Senator at the same time? (Would Loooove to see him try to serve in both capacities.) But the deal is this... voters aren't voting on Biden or Stevens, assuming Biden gets to be VP or Stevens gets sent to jail... they're voting to hold the spot for a political appointment. Depending on the state constitution, most of the time it's an appointment by the Governor and maybe with approval of some sort from the state legislature.

On the off chance that Stevens doesn't get tossed in jail or in the case of Murtha and Kennedy and any number of other fossils, local voters have to chose between someone with the power that comes from seniority, or voting in someone new that will be hamstrung by being a junior member of an obscure committee.

Voters chose to ignore idiocy and severe lacks of ethics *all the time* in favor of keeping the person who has enough influence to "make a difference."

It's *stupid*, but not irrational.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Sarah Palin is the one leaking the information about her being an idiot, so she can remain in the news.

There, case closed.

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Seven Machos said...

The Madonna School of Publicity?

Seven Machos said...

Synova -- Good luck, indeed. But you are going to feel bloated the next day, as they will probably take you to a dozen delicatessens and eateries.

Lem said...

"kiking" as if it were just meant in jest

I was going to respond but - it's useless.

Lem said...

I had some yummy treats today. It is the free day on my diet. I'm terribly sorry. I did not mean to denigrate Jewish people.

I mean jesuscrist?

Synova said...

Synova to the rescue.

Is that what he did?


Yes.

I'm reading through the comment thread and you guys are messing around and seeming to be having fun just making stuff up that makes no sense at all... and Michael comes with the silly eat "yummy treats" as a definition of "kiking." I know what "kike" is, but turning it into a verb does not make linguistic sense to me, nor contextual sense from what I'd been reading, I mean, how did "act like a jew" fit? It didn't. And to say that eating "yummy treats" is similar to the term "jewing" which I understand to be normally used as "jewing you down" so you end up with an unfair and bad deal on something being bought or sold... well, that was just stupid. (And I still think it is... I mean... eating yummy treats... wow... how nasty can you get?)

So I thought I'd look it up... typed "Urban Dictionary" in my google search and, Shazam, there it was... and exactly the same words as Michael used.

Cut. And. Paste.

He's going on about how *everyone* knows this is a slur against jewish people and not possibly meant to mean anything else or anything innocent and... he had to look it up. Because he didn't know.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

The Madonna School of Publicity?

Wouldn't it just be so mavericky of her?

She's got a long way until 2012, so she's got to keep herself in the news somehow. I've heard Palin maniacs suggesting she should write a book (about what, who knows), as this would keep her in the news.

Also, her fans don't want her to run for senate, because they want to keep her away from Washington and all the insiders she spoke so negatively of. Americans don't like people associated with Washington, they say. But, ha ha, the person who just won the presidency was...a senator.

Michael said...
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Synova said...

But, ha ha, the person who just won the presidency was...a senator.

And yet... Governors are more likely to become president than Senators. If you were actually on her side and actually wanted to see her run for President and win, would you really think she'd be better off as a Senator in D.C.?

Lem said...

I think Michael is hung up on HIS pronunciation of kiking.

to me a kick and kicking are not far off- sometimes people talk about drinking here KIKING THE HABIT? MY (DRINK) KIKING IN

OMG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick

Can somebody explaing to me waht is the obssesion?

and I'm not even sover.

Michael said...
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Zachary Paul Sire said...

And for all you hangers-on who still think Palin is the future of your part, how do you come to grips with her national approval ratings? It went from, what, 60% approval to 30% in the nine weeks she campaigned?

It's a tough pill to swallow, but the majority of the country rejected her. And yet, whatever is left of the fringe base of the Republican party continues. This Palin hysteria, this need to have a person "just like me" in the White House, it is really so fucking narcissistic and selfish. It's embarrassing, really.

Lem said...

And again, I challenge you to use the term with your Jewish friends (if you have any) and watch their reaction.

I got him!

conjugate the verv to kick for me Michael you SOB genius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick

Seven Machos said...

Zach -- Palin has plenty to write about, like Obama.

Regarding senators, it's oratorical. Senators can't seem to get elected is simply because they tend to speak in the jargon and minutiae of legislation ("I voted for it before I voted against it") instead of the policy-oriented action-speak that governors have. Don't you find it interesting that Obama hasn't been in the Senate very long and didn't seem to spend much time there? Wasn't the last senator to get elected from the Senate Kennedy (also young and untainted by that body)?

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