October 24, 2008

"PITTSBURGH MUTILATION INCIDENT A FAKE, according to police. Advantage: Ann Althouse and Michelle Malkin!"

Writes Glenn Reynolds, linking back to his post from last night, where he said that I was "joining the crowd suspecting a hoax."

Isn't it interesting that the women smelled the hoax while the men were such respectful believers? I guess you men have been well schooled in your gender studies classes. Let me quote something I said in the comments to my "Ashley Todd confessed" post:
This idea of believing women -- which got started in an era when too many real rape accusations were rejected -- should not become a leap of faith. Look critically at the evidence. The best version of feminism treats women as human beings, and human beings are capable of lying and doing vicious things. Don't be a chump.

139 comments:

Meade said...

"you men"

Are you kidding me?

Zachary Paul Sire said...

In fairness to gay men, please note that I called this out as a hoax within minutes of seeing it on Drudge and promptly blogged about it before anyone else, including Malkin and Althouse.

With that said, gay men and women are always better than straight men at spotting phonies because we are used to being phonies, at times, ourselves.

ricpic said...

Don't be a chump, champ,
The little woman's dangereux,
Check the position of that lamp
The li'l darlin's about to throw.

Paul Zrimsek said...

cc: Anita Hill.

garage mahal said...

Please don't lump men as a whole with Glenn Reynolds. In fairness it's hard to juggle 8 different underground conspiracy theories all at once though.

Trooper York said...

That's because women see all other women as lying bitches.

Men give them the benefit of the doubt until they find out they won't put out.

Jeeez everybody knows that.

Trooper York said...

And give Garage Mahal a tag for crying out loud. Enough is enough.

Revenant said...

Reynolds' interest in the incident was mostly in the difference between how the media was treating it versus how they'd treat a similar incident if the victim (or "victim") was an Obama supporter.

So far things seem to be playing out like he expected -- little interest while the police still thought it was a real attack, immense interest now that it is definitely revealed as a hoax. :)

Freeman Hunt said...

In fairness to gay men, please note that I called this out as a hoax within minutes of seeing it on Drudge and promptly blogged about it before anyone else, including Malkin and Althouse.

Yes, and you indicated that it reflected on everyone who opposes Obama. That was every bit as nutty as all the people who believed it and said it reflected on all of Obama's supporters.

sonicfrog said...

I, as a gay man, second Zach completely. I don't know if I posted before the others, but I came to the same conclusion as soon as I read the details.

ricpic said...

Put out?

Yeah, the light, put it out...jeez, all she thinks about is sex.

Bob said...

"we men" have learned our place, or more precisely, what is acceptable. Men don't second-guess a charge of rape. That's now exclusively a female function.

Now you want us to critically examine the available evidence? What happens when we decide the woman is faking and its determined she's telling the truth? We know, we know. We'd be "haters". So its easier to go with the flow. Stall for time, ask for thorough investigation, and plead for calm.

Lem said...

You know waht - Ashley Todd took the initiative to counter the ACORN sunami with some tricks of her own.

Give that girl a medal ;)

Freeman Hunt said...

Glenn believed the Ramona Dixon thing too. Yes, there is a blind spot in most men for lying women. Oh well, as long as the women are around to fill in that spot, I guess we're okay.

MadisonMan said...

The one thing that struck me as odd -- that someone stealing money, a mugger essentially, should do anything other than run away once they had the money.

Of course, I didn't publicize my doubts, 'cause who likes to be wrong?

Steve said...

Ann Althouse has been mentiioned in the New Yorker blog.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Yes, and you indicated that it reflected on everyone who opposes Obama.

Wrong. Don't be a liar.

Her behavior (i.e. DESPERATION) is reflective of some of the hysteria among anti-Obama people.

Trooper York said...

Ricpic, there is an orthodox wig maker in Borough Park who is printing money making Sarah Palin wigs for the women to wear for their horny Hebrew homies. Each wig goes for about $600 bucks.

Sheet with a hole in it not included.

Robert said...

"Don't be a chump" ? Sounds great - in theory. In practice, there's a hard edge of women who simply won't allow men the social space needed to hold on to any opinion that puts a woman down, somehow, somewhere. Cf. the Duke case - go check the feminist blogs' comment section to see anyone who DARED to bring up the weakness of her case get torn a new one.

Men act in the social spaces that women permit them. There's no space right now for reasoned dissent. You hew the women's line, or you keep quiet. Women can get away with it - note that it was Michelle Malkin who was the lead doubting Thomasina on this one.

Lem said...

We have not heard a peep from the 501c3's that doomed Kerry.

Were are my swiftboat adds?

McCain and Palin have been abandoned.

blake said...

The story wasn't important until disproven.

Baron Zemo said...

There are no swift boaters my dear boy because the young Senator has done nothing in life. Other than vote present. You can not criticize nothingness. You can not demonize a blank slate. You can not make fun of a black hole.

Even if she is not proud of her country.

Meade said...

"Men act in the social spaces that women permit them. There's no space right now for reasoned dissent. You hew the women's line, or you keep quiet. Women can get away with it"

Robert, that is total bullshit. Suck it up and raise your game, man. What are you afraid of? What do you think you have to lose?

I'm a man, albeit not a gay man, and I believe I was the first commenter on this blog last night to (snarkily) call a Tawana Brawley:

Someone needs to get ahold of Rev. Sharpton. See if he thinks there is enough evidence to go to trial.
10:04 PM


One does not need to be woman or a gay man to detect a manipulating lying hoaxing female rat and call it out.

Also, this is the internet. Speak your mind. If you're wrong or misunderstood or someone doesn't get your subtle humor, correct it and keep it moving. Like Simon did, much to his credit.

Bob said...

Zachary you need to grow up. There's a desperate element on both sides. But her motivation is rooted in some mental illness or a desperate need for attention. Politics was simply part of a backdrop she leveraged to garner media attention. She'll rue this but unbalanced people often create elaborate & ungrounded fantasies for how future will play out.

Freeman Hunt said...

Don't be a liar.

How overly dramatic. Kind of like what you wrote on your blog that shows I am not a "liar":

That this girl thought she could get away with it is one thing (idiot), but more so it shows how the desperation of the anti-Obama crowd is completely out of control. Yelling "terrorist!" at a rally isn't enough for these people, obviously.

Now, they've taken to CUTTING UP THEIR OWN FACES.

Beyond comprehension.


I don't see anything about "some" in there.

ricpic said...

Another calumny on the Jews. Next they'll be telling us we love money.

Palladian said...

"Yelling "terrorist!" at a rally isn't enough for these people, obviously."

Yes, no one on the left ever hysterically shouted "terrorist" at a political rally before.

My responses to this nonsense are available in all the related threads. You will see that I was reasonable, pragmatic and intelligent. I'm an obviously superior gay man to Zachary. Forget about him. Turn to me for all your intelligent gay man services.

Revenant said...

I don't see anything about "some" in there.

You're forgetting that the only thing that counts is what Zach is writing right now. What he wrote *before* only counts inasmuch as it agrees with what he is currently saying.

I hope that clears things up for you, Freeman.

1jpb said...

The story wasn't important until disproven. or proven.

As it should be.

blake said...

Having trouble picking out a matching tie? Not sure what to serve the in-laws? Or just plain curious?

Call Palladian for all your Intelligent Gay Man Services


Wait, is that homophobic?

1jpb said...

where proven is a "smell test" measure rather than a legal assessment.

blake said...

I wrote: The story wasn't important until disproven.

1jpb wrote: or proven.

As it should be.


I've seen no indication of media interest in proven stories that reflect badly on Obama, Biden, Frank, Dodd or Pelosi.

Hell, the "kill him" thing has been disproven inasmuch as something like that can be, yet still it circulates, and finds its way into newspapers.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

First of all, thanks for visiting my blog.

Second, you are a liar.

There are tens of millions of people who are anti-Obama and who are not desperate and insane.

My statement does not indict "everyone" as you have tried to misquote me on. You even brought text over from my own blog to discredit yourself.

There is, without a doubt, a specific group of people I am referring to here, and I refer to them as the people who yell "terrorist" at a rally.

To me, these people are pathetic, not to mention stupid, and Ashley Todd is a twisted manifestation of all their fear, hatred, and desperation.

Next time you try and twist someone's words around, you should be prepared to be called a liar, because that's what it makes you.

You are a liar. And a bad, dumb one at that.

Thanks again for visiting my blog.

Peter said...

I had a problem with this story from the getgo. Criminals seldom hang around, they do their thing and leave as fast as they can.

Revenant said...

One does not need to be woman or a gay man to detect a manipulating lying hoaxing female rat and call it out.

One does if one wants to be able to show one's face in public if it turns out the woman really WAS attacked.

History has shown us that women can invent stories of being attacked and her supporters -- no matter how odious their behavior, no matter how pathetically weak her story -- will continue to be accepted in society. People who vilify women who really WERE the victims of attacks have a much rougher time of it, except in the special case of the attacker being a politically important Democrat.

In short, the small satisfaction of being publicly right about a hoaxer isn't worth the immense pain you risk if it turns out you were wrong. If you jump on the "women as victims of male evil" bandwagon there's no risk at all.

Lem said...

Counting Crows.

Help me believe in anything
I want to be someone who believes

Mr. Jones and me tell each other fairy tales


http://tinyurl.com/5uj3mu

Lem said...

Count me in the anti-Obama desperate and insane ;)

Revenant said...

You're a pathetic liar, Zach. I don't mean you're pathetic AND a liar -- I mean you're lying, and you suck at it, so you ought to stop.

Here is the relevant section:

it shows how the desperation of the anti-Obama crowd is completely out of control. Yelling "terrorist!" at a rally isn't enough for these people, obviously. Now, they've taken to CUTTING UP THEIR OWN FACES.

"These people" refers to "the anti-Obama crowd". Yelling "terrorist" is presented as representative of this crowd. Basic English grammar, there.

"They" refers to the subject of the previous sentence, "these people" -- i.e., "the anti-Obama crowd" who yell "terrorist".

So, yes, you were in fact lumping the entire anti-Obama crowd in with the (apocryphal) folks who yell "terrorist" and cut up their own faces. Maybe you didn't mean to; you might simply be a lousy writer. But you did, and your attempts to claim you didn't are embarrassing to all who have to read them. So please, for all our sakes, either admit the truth or lie more intelligently.

Donn said...

Rev and Freeman are right, and Zach is nothing but a liar trying to cover his tracks.

Donn said...

or perhaps he's just a poor writer.

Lem said...

Revenant (my friends) I'll give you a call when my chips are down.

Meade said...

"...except in the special case of the attacker being a politically important Democrat."

ha ha ha... oh, ouch.

"In short, the small satisfaction of being publicly right about a hoaxer isn't worth the immense pain you risk if it turns out you were wrong. If you jump on the "women as victims of male evil" bandwagon there's no risk at all."

True enough, Rev, but please, I implore you and every other red-blooded man - STAY OFF THAT BANDWAGON - it's headed straight for Menwithoutgonadsville, a small but unfortunately growing bedroom community in Wisconsin/New York/Northern California where all the women think they are smart, beautiful, and correct and all the men just fetch shit for them.

jdeeripper said...

As I said yesterday this had a Morton Downeyish feel to it from the beginning

In 1989, as fascination with Downey's TV show began to wane, he was involved in an incident in a San Francisco International Airport restroom in which he claimed to have been attacked by neo-Nazis who painted a swastika on his face and attempted to shave his head.

Some inconsistencies in Downey's account (e.g., the swastika was painted in reverse, suggesting that Downey had drawn it himself in a mirror), and the failure of the police to find supportive evidence, led many to suspect that the incident was a hoax and a plea for attention.

A few months later, the show was canceled. Years later, during an appearance on The Howard Stern Show, Downey admitted that he had orchestrated the entire "attack" -- even shaving the front of his own head in the desperate effort to save his show from cancellation, by its syndicator, MCA.

Jen Bradford said...

The best version of feminism treats women as human beings, and human beings are capable of lying and doing vicious things.

...and equally capable of being crazy as a shithouse rat. This never seemed like the "hoax" of a publicity-seeker or politico to me. It sounded like a girl who needed help.

Donn said...

Steve links to The New Yorker above:

Wading for a few minutes through the sewage of these Web sites reminds me uncannily of the time I’ve spent having political discussions in certain living rooms and coffee shops in Baghdad. The mental atmosphere is exactly the same—the wild fantasies presented as obvious truth, the patterns seen by those few with the courage and wisdom to see, the amused pity for anyone weak-minded enough to be skeptical, the logic that turns counter-evidence into evidence and every random piece of information into a worldwide conspiracy. Above all, the seething resentment, the mix of arrogance and impotent rage that burns at the heart of the paranoid style in politics.

The author cites links provided by Sullivan. Good grief, there's a great source for objective opinion. Althouse is mentioned right along with the other "sewage" sites.

Now, I wonder what this author thinks of left-wing sewage sites such as DKos, HuffPo, MYDD, and many others? Funny, the author doesn't state.

Lem said...

I went to Secaucus NJ w/ a friend to be a studio audience on a Morton Downey Show.

On a dare I stood up and waited in line to ask a question when a bomb threat was called in and we were ushered out of the building.

For some reason I remember Downey wore diamond multicolored sox.

Simon said...

Zachary Paul Sire said...
"Ashley Todd is a twisted manifestation of all their fear, hatred, and desperation."

This is called "projection," for those keeping score.

jdeeripper said...

Isn't it interesting that the women smelled the hoax while the men were such respectful believers?

Why is it OK to use this case as an example of men as gullible believers and women as critical thinkers?

Whatever male bias there was toward believability was probably the result of a male political bias toward McCain.

If this hoax had involved a Gore worker having a W scrawled into her face during the 2000 campaign no doubt the males would have been on average more suspicious of the claim.

Lem said...I went to Secaucus NJ w/ a friend to be a studio audience on a Morton Downey Show. For some reason I remember Downey wore diamond multicolored sox.

I'm waiting for Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Joe Behar to go at it like this!

Darcy said...

Revenant is right, as usual. I don't think it is quite fair to call men "chumps" for erring on the side of a female alleged victim.

bleeper said...

I saw through the Duke rape hoax very quickly. Unfortunately, I know far more about rape in Durham than I ever wanted to know, and Crystal's story stank to high heaven.

I assumed the "B" story was phony, but didn't say anything. Like the noose hoaxes and various other scrawlings and accusations, I tend to be skeptical of most outrageous, partisan claims.

Lem said...

What we need is Obama to be photographed on a boat named [EXPLITIVE DELETED] Business in Hawaii next to some babe.

blake said...

Lem,

Would you settle for Martinique?

Quayle said...

Men act in the social spaces that women permit them.

That is such a bunch of crap. In my house I act in the

Quayle said...

(sorry 'bout that; my wife just came into the room for a second)

anyway, uuuhhh, what was I saying?

Oh, yeah; oh yeah.

In my house I act in any damn space I create for myself. I am the king of my castle. My wife is but a mere peasant to do my bidding.

vbspurs said...

""PITTSBURGH MUTILATION INCIDENT A FAKE, according to police. Advantage: Ann Althouse and Michelle Malkin!""

Excellent. Congrats to Ann here, and I'll email Michelle later.

In actual political terms, it is Michelle who has the edge, since she is the genuine conservative.

She is the conservative internet-presence equivalent of Daily Kos, due to her enormous daily hits, and television stardom.

Put it this way, Beth cited Michelle Malkin positively in another thread. That's like me complimenting Daily Kos for some conspiracy debunking regarding Bush or Palin.

That's almost unthinkable, because they would never do that.

Cheers,
Victoria

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Rev, Freeman, whoever else: You know who I'm talking about when I say "anti-Obama crowd" and then call them out for yelling "terrorist." If you think this refers to "everyone" who isn't voting for Obama, you are shitty readers, how about that.

This started because Freeman told you that I believed Cutter Girl "reflected on everyone who opposes Obama," which simply isn't true. I am not your straw man, sorry.

But yet, you keep going. You really want to believe that I believe that everyone who isn't voting for Obama is desperate and just like Cutter Girl. You really want me to consider you desperate, and I'm telling you point blank that I don't!...so...why am I wasting time defending you people? You all are very clever, or something.

Whatever, liars.

vbspurs said...

Don't be too hard on Zach, people.

He's a rash young man (yes, Palladian, I know he's my age). He just gets carried away sometimes, but I honestly think that he would be more if he weren't around people here.

Not that Althousians are so amazingly dispassionate in their political opinions. It's that by and large, our temperament as a group here is.

This is what makes this place a good place to hang out.

Darcy said...

Quayle that was cute! :)

Meade said...

That was funny, Quayle

Darcy said...
Revenant is right, as usual. I don't think it is quite fair to call men "chumps" for erring on the side of a female alleged victim.

No, Darcy, chumps is exactly what we are when we let ourselves be fooled because of the fear that if we're mistaken, women might not love us anymore. They might say we're bad men. They might give us the glaring look that says you should just shrivel up and crawl into a ditch and die. Arise, oh Brothers of the Bullshit Detectors! We have nothing to lose but our wives!

vbspurs said...

That is such a bunch of crap. In my house I act in the

Does anyone else get the feeling Quayle's wife clobbered him on the head just as he was typing:

"I told you to clean the gutters!" "Yes, honey".

Meade said...

Oops, did I say, wives. I meant, um, jives... yeah, that's it, jives.

Trooper York said...

Hey I have no problem freakin' saying to anyone who wants to listen:

My wife is the boss of me.

So there.

Donn said...

My wife is the boss of me.

Wives are always the boss, that is if husbands want sex. 8^)

vbspurs said...

...and equally capable of being crazy as a shithouse rat. This never seemed like the "hoax" of a publicity-seeker or politico to me. It sounded like a girl who needed help.

Jen, I don't know. This is coach potato psychobabble, but this girl strikes me as being overly politicised.

I thought she might at least have been mugged, got the shiner and decided to embellish it to make political hay.

But turns out, it's not even that. It was an entire fabrication.

I read a report that said she had mental problems in the past (as if being a Paulian didn't tell you that already...), but honestly, she's the right-wing equivalent of Cindy Sheehan or Medea Benjamin to me.

In nascent form.

--

Heh @ sh*thouse rat.
Heh @ Quayle's schtick.

Meade said...

Oh jeez. I suppose next you're going to tell me you in fact did NOT quarterback the New York Giants to the Superbowl Championship.

That's it, I'm depressed.

vbspurs said...

I can't wait until I'm the boss of someone other than my dog.

ron st.amant said...

My wife and I have a pretty equitable relationship:
I worship the ground she walks on, and she allows me to do so.

Lem said...

I'm not married, but I know I've been cheated by my bank my creditors and who knows who else..

I just cant prove it because I'm my own boss.. and not good with money.

So I guess Im a chump too ;)

Meade said...

"I can't wait until I'm the boss of someone other than my dog."

Victoria? I've got news for you, sweetheart. Your dog is the

Oh nevermind.

Darcy said...

Aww...Lem. But you're still Lem the Business Owner! A winner.

(Well, until perhaps January)

Lem said...

Pittsburg mutilation incident a fake

Does anybody remember the movie Happiness?

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi632029465/

Quayle said...

I can't wait until I'm the boss of someone other than my dog.

Shucks Victoria. Now you got me all misty.

See, what you should do ..... you gotta....... I think the trick is…… to be totally subservient (in a hard-to-catch kind of way) before you get legally inextricably intertwined.

Then afterwards you drop the pretense of subservience, and take over.

Feigned subservience - I think that's really the key to getting someone to boss around other than your dog.

vbspurs said...

Victoria? I've got news for you, sweetheart. Your dog is the

Yeah, I know. Being the boss of a dog is good training. ;)

BTW, I just heard Tania Reiman (the body language expert on O'Reilly) say that Joy Behar had "frontally denied" Bill O'Reilly.

Bet you married guys here can relate.

Lem said...

Lem the Business Owner! A winner.

I tell you Thank God I did that when I had the chance..

I should have put all of it in the company, but you know what they say dont put the eggs blablabla.

Ann Althouse said...

Steve said..."Ann Althouse has been mentiioned in the New Yorker blog."

Wow, that shithead slams me by name but doesn't link. People don't see what he's referring to.

vbspurs said...

Feigned subservience - I think that's really the key to getting someone to boss around other than your dog.

It's weird, Quayle. In most households, there is a dominant partner who usually is catered to in the house. I get the sense in America, it's the wife who is the queen.

I was raised by a dominant father. Our entire house was geered towards his likes/dislikes. His ambient temperature and no loud sounds, not ours: that kind of thing.

I rather think I've been programmed to do the same for my husband.

Before you start thinking I'm some Thai bride or something, he always treated my mother and I as equals, and was never once sexist towards either of us.

It's taken me forever to find a guy like him, but I think I done did it. :)

Lem said...

(Well, until perhaps January)

You are not kiddind.

It turns out that our company relies on a complicated tax scheme that works in Omaha NE. (Otherwise known as corporate wellfare)

Why do you think Omaha still Buffets homebase - it's not an accident.

Simon said...

Ann Althouse said...
"Wow, that shithead slams me by name but doesn't link. People don't see what he's referring to."

He's misrepresenting it, too - even at a stretch, you didn't "push" it. As I recall, you floated it and took it back within minutes.

vbspurs said...

Quoting New Yorker blog:

Bloggers like Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who peddled the Ayers theory, and Ann Althouse, a law professor who pushed the plastic-device story, hold diametrically opposed views to those of Islamists and Arab nationalists. But their habits of mind are just the same.

My God, that is harsh despite the fact that the plastic device post was really awful.

He doesn't allow commentaries either...

Lem said...

Wow, that shithead slams me by name but doesn't link. People don't see what he's referring to.

Yes.. I went and looked around and didn't find any links of "Anti-Obama blooging" either.

vbspurs said...

Guess who is Pinhead #1 on O'Reilly's segment just now?

Ashley Todd.

O'Reilly had been skeptical, as well.

Pinhead #2 is Joe McCain, who sounds just like his brother! Hehe.

Quayle said...

Victoria, I've read somewhere, and am inclined to believe, that girls are imprinted and shaped mostly by their father in the structural aspects of their character and personality.

Would you agree with that statement, in light of your family?

Quayle said...

and especially in their self image.

Lem said...

My recollection is more posts slaming McCain and Palin than Obama.

Larry said...

"you men"

The puzzle to me is how somebody so full of herself can be so full of sh*t.

Really, that is shameful.

Have you got a cite for statistics for that absurd remark?

TitusonlyTops said...

My rare clumbers are the boss of me. I would do anything for them. I love them so much. They are so beautiful, gentle, easy going, trusting, loyal ans sweet.

Personally, I didn't care much about the story.

But did you all get a gander at the women? Maybe she can get on Tim Gunn's show and he can work with her on revitalizing her image.

Trooper York said...

Hey being married to someone you love and loves you back is the best thing in the world. It's just best to let your wife tell you what to do. You don't have to do it necessarily, but you do have to come up with a good excuse.

If you don't believe me, please ask Ricky Ricardo, Ralph Kramden, Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, the according to Jim guy, Archie Bunker, George Jefferson, and Fred Flintstone.

integrity said...

Simon said...
Ann Althouse said...
"Wow, that shithead slams me by name but doesn't link. People don't see what he's referring to."

He's misrepresenting it, too - even at a stretch, you didn't "push" it. As I recall, you floated it and took it back within minutes.





So it's no longer available to read?


Holy shit, that is more than a slam. The company he puts you in is not good. I wonder if he knows there is an 89% chance that you will vote for Obama, maybe he would have left you out of it.

I really wanna see this post.

TitusonlyTops said...

I am having sesame noodles for dindin and they are delightful.

What is everyone else having for dindin?

Larry said...

"you men"

It amazes me that you can be so full of ourself and still be so full of sh*t.

Have you got a cite for credible stats to back that absurd assertion up?

Darcy said...

Really? I've never heard that, Quayle. Interesting. I would be really happy to believe that is true. My mom was a remarkable woman - but my dad was a prince of a guy.

Lem said...

Well just look at the monitor

http://monitoringthecruelneutrality.blogspot.com/

vbspurs said...

Have you got a cite for statistics for that absurd remark?

What are you talking about? She was riffing on the idea that men have been trained by the feminist-culture which dominates our society.

TitusonlyTops said...

Sometimes I feel bad about not wanting to get married. I have no interest in sharing my life with "someone special". I have many good friends and great family-that's enough for me.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Thanks Victoria. You, like so many others here, are great. I don't consider anything I've said about this matter rash, however.

Trooper York said...

Just don't end up in a house full of poodles.

TitusonlyTops said...

I got a flexrall from my friend tonight. I am excited.

TitusonlyTops said...

Acutally what do flexrall's do? I don't even know.

I hope its fun.

vbspurs said...

It's just best to let your wife tell you what to do.

I think women like to be heard out more than anything. So when she's talking about her co-workers or making a point that drones on, just shut up and nod.

Also, gentlemen, don't judge your women.

Let her be a little crazy, and she'll reward you by being kinky every once in a while. Turn around and call her a slut, and she'll press her thighs shut.

Finally, make her laugh.

You know, they say men are not hard to figure out (women usually do, unfortunately).

I've always thought it's the other way around.

Chip Ahoy said...

What a confabulator.

That girl needs an ice pack and a good straightening out.

Noth'n a hot bowl of miso couldn't fix.

Kudos for sniffing this one out, Althouse and all youze who did. I shall now hang upon your every word.

* salaams elaborately *

Lem said...

We answer the phone like our fathers

David Foster Wallace - Infinite Jest

That is so true!

Lawgiver said...

The difference between SOME commenters here (ZPS) and Ashley Todd is that Ashley admitted she was a Liar.

I bet you a buck Althouse used to listen to these guys. They are origianlly from Minnesota.

Chorus : Liar, liar, pants on fire
Your nose is longer than a telephone wire

Ask me, baby, why I'm sad
You've been out all night, know you've been bad
Don't tell me different, know it's a lie
Come kill me, honey, see how I cry

Why must you hurt me, do what you do
Listen here, girl, can't you see I love you
Make a little effort, try to be true
I'll be happy, not so blue

Chorus

If you keep on tellin' me those lies
Still goin' out with other guys
There'll come a day I'll be gone
Take my advice, won't be long

When that day comes, won't be mad
Be free of you, but I'll still be sad
In spite of your cheatin', still love you so
I'll be unhappy if I let you go

Chip Ahoy said...

Titus, wut, no pictures?

I'm having tilapia patties contrived from frozen things and parsley grown on the balcony, and breadcrumbs processed from previous sourdough gone hard. And a bowl of mizo, of course. Here, have a look.

vbspurs said...

Def Leppard's "Women"?

Freeman Hunt said...

This started because Freeman told you that I believed Cutter Girl "reflected on everyone who opposes Obama," which simply isn't true. I am not your straw man, sorry.

I did not argue that that's what you believed; I argued that that was what you wrote. And you did write it, just as I quoted and just as Rev perfectly detailed.

Do I think that's what you actually believe? No, I doubt it. I think you got fired up writing about this girl. But why not just say that? The "liar!" routine was lame.

vbspurs said...

Here, have a look.

Extraordinary. They look like crab cakes.

I'm rather boring tonight. I'm having take out -- the sirloin special from The Outbank (with French onion soup).

Lem said...

Cutter Girl

Is that official?

Lem said...

I think you got fired up writing about this girl.

As did I.

Darcy said...

Shouldn't it be more like Scratcher Girl? Welt Girl?

Simon said...

integrity said...
"I really wanna see this post."

And if Packer had linked to it, that'd be real easy, huh? Now do you get why he's a shithead? You want to see the context and you've got to go looking. Packer's audience are reading the New Yorker, so we already know that they're intellectually lazy and susceptible to suggestion and confirmation bias, so do you think they're going to care enough to go looking for the context?

TitusonlyTops said...

I also had two crab rangoon which were amazing.

I love anything with crab. Crab tacos, crab rancoon, crab legs, crab dip, crab chowder. I love crab.

No pictures of the meal, sorry. But I am going to have plenty of the noodles for lunchey poo tomorrow.

TitusonlyTops said...

You know why gay men and straight men get along well?

This is only my view which is shared by some of my girlfriends and my family.

Gay men are better listeners when communicatin with women. Not Always!!!!! But what I hear from my girl friends is they can talk to gay men about anything and gay men "get it" and seem interested.

Now I am sure this isn't always the case but that is my two cents.


Now, let's talk about me.

Lem said...

Packer's audience are reading the New Yorker, so we already know that they're intellectually lazy and susceptible to suggestion and confirmation bias, so do you think they're going to care enough to go looking for the context?

I used to buy the New Yorker to have it in the apt, make me look hip. But I'm over that now.

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blake said...

I was raised by a dominant father. Our entire house was geered towards his likes/dislikes. His ambient temperature and no loud sounds, not ours: that kind of thing.

I rather think I've been programmed to do the same for my husband.

Before you start thinking I'm some Thai bride or something, he always treated my mother and I as equals, and was never once sexist towards either of us.


It isn't necessarily bad, particularly in a traditional household. The man sacrifices for his family, and gets a few perks in return. (Like the big piece of chicken.)

In return, there's a stability with having the ship have a captain.

There's nothing wrong with traditional roles as long as they're agreed to.

blake said...

Really? I've never heard that, Quayle. Interesting. I would be really happy to believe that is true. My mom was a remarkable woman - but my dad was a prince of a guy.

There's a rule smart guys have about not getting involved with a woman who has "daddy issues".

blake said...

Titus--

Flexorall is, I believe, a muscle relaxant.

You might want to check the side-effects before self-medicating.

Revenant said...

You know who I'm talking about when I say "anti-Obama crowd" and then call them out for yelling "terrorist."

Obviously we do. We even took the time to explain what you meant to any blog readers who weren't fluent in English.

If you think this refers to "everyone" who isn't voting for Obama, you are shitty readers, how about that.

I see you took my advice about lying more intelligently -- a straw man attack is much better than your previous "who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes" routine.

None of us ever said you were referring to everyone who isn't voting for Obama; there are millions of people who have nothing against the man but still don't plan to vote for him. You did, however, smear everyone who is anti-Obama -- i.e., most of the non-lefties here -- by lumping us in with Ashley Todd and the apocryphal/anonymous guy who called Obama a terrorist.

Freeman told you that I believed Cutter Girl "reflected on everyone who opposes Obama," which simply isn't true

It is what you wrote. Maybe in the future you should write what you believe; it makes it easier to keep your story straight.

Anyway, I'm bored with you now.

Darcy said...

There's a rule smart guys have about not getting involved with a woman who has "daddy issues".

LOL!

Revenant said...

No, Darcy, chumps is exactly what we are when we let ourselves be fooled because of the fear that if we're mistaken, women might not love us anymore.

You confuse being quiet with being fooled. In college I got good grades from leftist professors by keeping my opinions to myself; this is just more of the same. Like the Japanese saying goes, the nail that sticks up gets hammered down.

You want me to take a brave stand to stop some larger cultural trend. I prefer to be passive-aggressive about it. I practice aggressive indifference on sensitive gender issues. :)

walter neff said...

Futhermore: blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah.

That should finally convince you that Obama is the One.

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vbspurs said...

Welt Girl?

I vote 'Welt Girl'!

But since it's so close to thanksgiving, can't we coin some "carve the turkey" term for her?

vbspurs said...

But what I hear from my girl friends is they can talk to gay men about anything and gay men "get it" and seem interested.

That's why it's precious when you find a straight guy who "gets it". Shorthand for being detail-oriented, a multi-layered thinker, and attentive.

Darcy said...

Does it strike anyone that there is something wrong with the world when an advocate for individuals with disabilities makes a reasonable plea for more money for research - citing pork in the budget - and the press goes scurrying for inaccuracies about a fruit fly remark?

What is WRONG with people who find this a "gotcha" moment to trumpet?

Shameful. But will there be shame?
No.

Freeman Hunt said...

Yes, there is a blind spot in most men for lying women.

When I wrote that, I should have written:

Yes, there is a willing blind spot in most men for lying women.

As many have pointed out in this thread, plenty of men suspected a hoax but were loathe to say so. I don't like that, but given the cultural climate, I can understand it. Also, I have great respect for Glenn, and that certainly factored into my word choice of "most" rather than "some."

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Pogo said...

"This idea of believing women -- should not become a leap of faith. Look critically at the evidence. ...Don't be a chump."

ha ha ha.

Scenario 1: A woman with a history of self-cutting and male physician are in a room. Alone. A routine physical exam is done. The woman later accuses the man of sexual "touching".

There is no evidence to consider except their own stories.

Guess who's the chump?

Scenario 2: A young woman (19) and her grandfather (in his 60s) are in a room alone for one hour. She later claims he "touched her" sexually. He's flabbergasted and denies it vehemently. It goes to court. The lawyer tells him You have a one in ten chance of winning, zero if she cries on the stand. He pleads and gets six months in jail and then the sentence is expunged. But he is not allowed to be in a room alone with his granddaughters. No one in the extended family believes the granddaughter, BTW.

There is no evidence to consider except their own stories.

Guess who's the chump?

Your statement reads nice, Ann, but I have to live in the real world.

ChrisF said...

Lots of us 40 and 50 something men had it drilled into us during the Clarence Thomas hearings that "women don't lie about things like that."

Ann Althouse said...

"Your statement reads nice, Ann, but I have to live in the real world."

I'm speaking to the jurors of the future.

And I'm also speaking to people who could get accused. You need to be careful. Women can lie.

And all those women who lie hurt the women who deserve to be believed. I am reviling them for that reason too.

Ann Althouse said...

chrisf said..."Lots of us 40 and 50 something men had it drilled into us during the Clarence Thomas hearings that "women don't lie about things like that."

I know, that's the era I'm referring to in the post. There was a good fight at the time against the disbelief of women, but that was no reason to go to the opposite extreme.

ron st.amant said...

There's a difference between not buying the story (which I'm guessing most men, like most women upon even a cursory look at the story did) and stating that opinion in a public forum.

I think why women are so quick to be vocal about their doubts is because women know that such a hoax does vast damage to women who are real victims of assaults.

hdhouse said...

anytime i would link my good name to michele malkin raises doubts on sanity. to mention it in one sentence fragment is downright scary.

the only thing in common is boobs and ann has two and malkin is one.

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OldGrouchy said...

Dear Prof. you should exile yourself to PC Hell for being so darned anti-PC. Have you joined the FemiNazis, the NAGS? Are you one of those, who during the 70's said that all men should be killed and women would then populate the Earth?

Seriously, but this has been so darned much fun, please note that some of us men smelled a hoax right up front and expressed caution about accepting that phony beating story.

Cedarford said...

Althouse - This idea of believing women -- which got started in an era when too many real rape accusations were rejected -- should not become a leap of faith.

As you pointed out, this was the feminist PC squad that stridently lectured an eager, complicit media that "women never lie about something as serious as rape or sexual harassment" - buttressed by the usual feminist statistics later to have been found to be concocted or anecdotal (a female cop I met said women never lie in any sex case she dealt with!).

That phase of female hysteria was diminished somewhat when feminist after feminist fell on their swoards denouncing the lying sluts that accused their woman's man, and the "feminist progressive man" himself, Bill Clinton, of harassment or other sexual pecadillos.

But it persisted into the Duke Rape Trial - where again a feminist rape intake nurse and a lying crackwhore were believed - since women never lie.

This "women never lie" politics of intimidation - of course followed the Child Molestation version of the Salem witchcraft trials - where juries and prosecutors were pounded by "feminist and child expert psychologists" that "Children Never Lie!"

But they did. And convictions were actually meted out despite child witnesses saying that "mean Ms. Ambrister and her son" controlled a robot dressed as a clown that stuck a knife in my special place..

Curiously, the child molestation phase is over, while feminists are desperately trying to keep "rape politics" a potent recruitment tool for attracting younger women..

And yes, the police have a duty to take every rape story seriously - but like the hard feminist rape nurse at Duke that cost her employer many 10s of millions - Tara Levicy - they also have an obligation to be impartial and come to each case with good judgment and healthy skepticism

Meaning when a 250-lb. "well-ridden" drug addict 'ho comes in and says that she was raped by three millionaires in a stretch limo after being promised 200 thousand dollars and the men are making their escape from the state - the cops are not obligated to run around screaming "Believe the Woman! Believe the Woman!" and issue an all points bulletin to stop all stretch limos and ground all private jets..

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Methadras said...

Well, Jesus it's Pittsburgh, land of fucking nerdy beer swilling weirdos, knuckle-dragging mongoloids. and goofy looking fat-chicks who probably paid the nerdy beer swilling weirdos to punch her fatso marshmellow face in and probably gave a blow-job to the knuckle-dragging mongoloid living around her corner to carve the 'B' on her misshapen head right after.

Hey!!! Maybe the 'B' is for her nickname, Blow-job or Bloated or Beast or something that conjures images of a lonely loser Pittsburg fat-chick seeking attention by claiming to get pseudo-raped by a darkie.

sonicfrog said...

Cutter Girl?

Welt Girl?

I was calling her "B" Chick, since that is the thing that stood out in the story..