September 12, 2008

"If you were really savvy, you'd 'manipulate' the media into a stampede of lurid drivel deriding her as a Stepford wife and a dominatrix..."

"... comparing her to Islamic fundamentalists, Pontius Pilate and porn stars, and dismissing her as a dysfunctional brood mare who can't possibly be the biological mother of the kid she was too dumb to abort. Who knows? It's a long shot, but if you could pull it off, a really cunning media manipulator might succeed in manipulating Howie's buddies into spending the month after Labor Day outbidding each other in some insane Who Wants To Be An Effete Condescending Media Snob?"

Mark Steyn is particularly amusing
lashing at what WaPo's Howard Kurtz has to say about the McCain campaign trying to manipulate the media. Power Line has something to say too.

I'd say something about it myself too, but I simply haven't got the time this morning. Please carry on without me.

ADDED: I have a few minutes now, so let me read Kurtz closely:
The McCain camp has already accused the MSM of trying to "destroy" the governor of Alaska. So any challenge to her record or her veracity can now be cast as the product of an oh-so-unfair press. Which, needless to say, doesn't exactly please reporters.....

As for the sudden insistence that Palin is a delicate flower who must be shielded from harsh rhetoric, take this example.
She doesn't need to be shielded. Bring on the "harsh rhetoric." It's made her the most popular politician in America. We bloggers ravenously await your next nugget of harsh rhetoric. And we will make you look bad when it's sexist or unfair. If that makes you mad... well, who cares if you're mad? But it's not going to win you back the respect that you lose when your "harsh rhetoric" is biased.
The lipstick imbroglio is evidence that the Drudge/Fox/New York Post axis can drive just about any story into mainstream land. Does anyone seriously believe that Barack Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig? What about the fact that McCain has used "lipstick on a pig" before? What about the book by that title by former McCain aide Torie Clarke? Never mind: get the cable bookers to line up women on opposite sides of the lipstick divide and let them claw at each other!
Blah! I'm sick of the lipstick thing, but please. The fact that there is an old expression isn't enough. What if Obama opponents took to saying "pot calling the kettle black" or "call a spade a spade." There would be no end to the outrage... and rightly so. I don't what to hear the "old expression" argument from anyone who won't say they'd make the same argument if the tables were turned.

And Howard... "line up women on opposite sides of the lipstick divide and let them claw at each other..." Now, you're using the image of the catfight! You're trying to say that Obama didn't mean to refer to a pig, and you're clearly referring to cats and doing so in a way that is traditionally used to diminish women.

Ah, enough of this for now.

180 comments:

Meade said...

Wait! Don't you want to finish your blueberry muffin?

AllenS said...

As the old saying goes, if you've lost Howard Kurtz, you're probably doing something rightious and honorable.

chickenlittle said...

Viewers hunger for at least one on air career suicide this season. The writers already have it scripted. It's just a matter of who and when.

George said...

Marvin the Martian.

Nice tutu.

former law student said...

Good Paul Krugman column in the NY Times today. My guess is that McCain picked Palin partly because she could lie with a straight face.

Blizzard of Lies
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 11, 2008

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

Simon said...

Only somewhat on-topic, but the left's hyperventilation over Gibson's attempt to pin Palin on "the Bush Doctrine" attracts the scorn of even TalkLeft! I used to wonder what would happen to Metallica when James ran out of interesting riffs, and it strikes me that this election season is the political equivalent of St. Anger: what would happen if the left ran out of real talking points? A toturously long, incohesive morass.

Simon said...

former law student said...
"Good Paul Krugman column"

I think that's a category error, isn't it?

Peter V. Bella said...

...and they’re all out-and-out lies.

The sex ed in kndergarten is not a lie. Documents have been produced that show Obama inserted the language in the bill in his own writing before the final printing and passage of the bill. He changed it himself from grades 6-12 to kindergarten-12.

That is also not a lie. When Palin realized the bridge was going to cost more than Congress was sending, she said thanks but no thanks.

I guess they can spin any truth into a lie if they want.

Lonesome Payne said...

Ann, I predict you know in your soul who you're going to be voting for.

Those of us in this weird political position of semi-former-semi-left have two options:

- at a key national moment, help elect Obama at least partly in the faint hope of placating those-who-make-us-retch;

- take the more daring route and vote our true consciences against a movement that seems to be fully invested in bullshit.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The "media" are mad because:

They realize that they have lost control of the medium

They are in the tank for Obama and see their dream of manipulating the public slip sliding away.

They know that their mask of impartiality has been torn away and they are shown to be bigoted, snobbish, elites who have nothing but disdain and contempt for the greater portion of the American people.

They realize that people no longer believe much of what they say since they have been exposed (see above) and they have cried wolf too many times. If a real scandal re: Palin or McCain were to arise, we won't believe it because of all the lies and smears.

They are spinning themselves into the ground trying and it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of people.

The Drill SGT said...

The MSM are engaged in a huge high stakes gamble. They are risking their collective reputations and the future of their profession on the chance that they will score a Watergate success and turn up something on McCain or Palin that will give the election to their anointed one. If they succeed, it becomes a case study at J-school and media stock prices don't tank.

If they fail, and they have thus far, it becomes a Lemmings story of mass suicide at business schools, like the Acme Buggy whip one I worked there. Industry tanks due to mass delusions of grandeur

Roger J. said...

No one outside the BOS-WASH corridor pays much attention to the NYT. Fox has effectively countered the other networks in terms of viewership. Newspaper circulation is down over most of the country. Rush Limbaugh has an audience at least as large as the broadcast networks combined. More and more people are getting their information from blogs, which to say the least, offer a variety of viewpoints. And their abysmal performance in this election cycle has further reduced their diminishing credibility.
In short, the media's ability to influence anyone who isnt already already an Obama supporter is nil. The republicans can and should be flogging the MSM as hard as they can--it will resonate.

(Aside: Wow, Obama really attacked McCain hard in his latest add: called him computer illiterate! Man, that's gotta hurt! ROFLMAO)

Peter V. Bella said...

Of course the media is mad. They are mad as hell. They, the media, wanted to make history. They wanted to be directly responsible for the coronation of the first female or Black president. They cared not that neither was qualified or had no experience. The media created experience and qualifications for them out of whole cloth. To paraphrase an infamous former president, this campaign, Clinton and Obama, is the biggest fairy tale in the world.

Now it looks like there will be no royal coronation. A woman of the frontier, a commoner, one of the little people that the founding fathers of this nation wanted to actually run the government, has stepped on the field of battle to claim the crown for all of America. All of us who know what it is like to really work for a living, all of us who have messy family lives, all of us who have to struggle to raise families, protect our jobs, and pay our bills.

The media had nothing to do with this. How dare John McCain by- pass them and not ask their permission? How dare he not leak the information to the media so they could be prepared? How dare he make a bold choice and leave them in the dark? How dare he select a self sufficient, self reliant, and individually responsible person; a person who looks like America, to be his running mate?

Yes, they are mad. Tough! The media has done more harm than good. They are hypocrites. They are nothing more than a propaganda machine in the tank for any Democrat; Obama is the choice this year. If they have to destroy a woman to get him in they will sell their mothers to whore houses to do it.

Where were they when the Obama smear machine tried to destroy Palin within twenty four hours of her pick? Where was there righteous indignation? They were refashioning all of the smears into effete language, acceptable to the reading public. Yes the media is mad. Too bad. All they are doing is getting the people mad. At them. As their man who would be king said- ENOUGH!

Oxbay said...

I surmise that Kurtz has recently written something even handed about McCain or Palin. When that happens a member in good standing of the MSM must have a public confession of loyalty to the Democrat party. The more unfair the better. This column is Kurtz's mea culpa and penance.

Trooper York said...

The only thing worst than journalists are lawyers.

The depths that have sunk to has made Ryan Seacrest look like HL Mencken.

Roger J. said...

Sorry DBQ--I said the same thing you did, although you did it better.

veni vidi vici said...

I'm always left wondering why even "respectable rightwingers" find Howard to be a "good guy", when the lasting impression I've had from the times I've read him is that he spins things pretty soundly.

He lost me in this collossus of idiocy when he neglected to mention even the most obvious "lie" by Obama, which was put in an advert and run with in speeches for days, concerning the "100 years" thing McCain said. What a hack.


p.s. Roger, I commented on that new Obama ad in the "Natural Look Cafe" thread. What a strange approach the ad signals, eh? Maybe it and the ad-libs yesterday about the seniors playing bridge at his granma's nursing home are meant to push the older demographic even further away, in a sort of Daltrey-esque show of youthful vigor?

vbspurs said...

Howard Kurtz ended his article with:

A former Hillary adviser is quoted as saying that the "Obama people have got to be kicking themselves' for not putting choosing Clinton as his No. 2."

IMO, the rest of this campaign isn't about Obama, isn't about McCain, isn't really about Palin anymore.

It's about Hillary.

It's about how Hillary was allowed to be treated by the DNC, when MSNBC and media were beyond sexist, they were downright misogynistic.

The RNC and McCain are putting their foot down with Palin, not only to show the DNC how one stands up for one's candidate and doesn't allow the same sleazy treatment, but also to SHOW UP the other side, by not-so-subtle comparison.

There are people today who still say Hillary would've detracted more from the Obama campaign than she would've given it.

Is that true? Come on now. Really? Can there be any doubt today that an Obama/Clinton ticket would've been unbeatable?

Sarah Palin isn't a running mate. She's checkmate.

Media will never forgive McCain for choosing her.

Cheers,
Victoria

Henry said...

Former Law Students -- I think of Krugman's political musings as the column that writes itself. The headline tells you all you need to know -- it's Krugman's weekly Cliff Notes version of old Josh Marshall stuff.

Now Krugman did have a good column, recently, on debt deflation. I doubt it will get emailed as much.

While skipping the link to the Krugman column, I noticed Judith Warner has something new about Palin. I was expecting more bile. But Warner is a more interesting thinker than Krugman and now she has turned reflective. She considers why pro-Palin women disdain liberals like her. At the Republian rally she attends, she quotes "Businessman Scott Maclean on the Democratic Party: 'Their attitude is: you don’t get it and they don’t expect you to get it because they’re smarter than you...'"

The only thing Warner forgets is the proof of Maclean's statement -- a link to her previous column.

Peter V. Bella said...

Who Wants To Be An Effete Condescending Media Snob?"

That would be a great TV show. It would be better and funnier than American Idol or dancing with the stars. It would have buffoonery and gasbaggery of the highest levels. People could actually see that the media is made up of fools, clowns, drooling idiots, cretins, and morons and how those terms are complimentary to them.

Of course the PC people would never, ever let a show that demonstrated that on the air. It would be an insult ot those brave, courageous, hard working journalists.

Lem said...

- at a key national moment, help elect Obama at least partly in the faint hope of placating those-who-make-us-retch;

- take the more daring route and vote our true consciences against a movement that seems to be fully invested in bullshit.

Lem said...

To the left, the end justify the means.

terrance said...

Please Trooper York - don't deride our Blog's Hostess with the Mostess profession that way. She is just carrying out her promise to steadfastly adhere to her extremely high standards of "Cruel Neutrality" (CN). Folks of all ideologies and parties have suffered the searing pain of Ms. Althouse's penetrating and original analysis. There is elements of deep caring, beauty, and creativity to her CN - Bottom line, she is not telling me what I want to hear....she is telling me what I need to hear. And in the world of the blogosphere that is a very rare and selfless act.

Roger J. said...

VVV: you are absolutely right; a great way to drive away the most reliable voting bloc!

Joan said...

Here's the PowerLine post.

I really don't understand why the media thinks it can get away with calling McCain's ads "lies" -- don't they realize there's an army of Davids (ht Instapundit) out there fact-checking their asses? I mean, this is 2008, and they got demolished over this kind of stuff back in 2004 -- did they think it wouldn't happen again? Especially when it's not as if it stopped after the 2004 elections -- it has been a constant process, and the MSM has been losing all along.There's concrete data to back up that assertion, too: falling circulation and advertising revenues. How delusional are they? The buggy whip case comparison is apropos.

vbspurs said...

Simon wrote:

Only somewhat on-topic, but the left's hyperventilation over Gibson's attempt to pin Palin on "the Bush Doctrine" attracts the scorn of even TalkLeft!

Wow! Simon, I posted last night how moderate the comments were at TalkLeft about this (about another post). I don't know why I went to TalkLeft, but because many were pro-Hillary, and I have been observing the Hillary Clinton forums, I think I subconsciously realised they might be more impartial.

It was only my second time going there (to see Hamster's commenters reactions about the diavlog).

torrey said...

If you're a DNC journalist - just yell "it's a lie!"...

That seems to do the trick.

vbspurs said...

I'm reading the comments on TalkLeft, and I'm really surprised how frank people are about not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is. I remember a commenter with two Masters saying that too.

Only the Left calls Bush's foreign policy of preemptive strikes "The Bush Doctrine". It was a gotcha question by Gibson, and she vigourously asked him to refine his wording. He did so by looking like a pedantic ass, especially since he said it very slowly, whilst peering down his granny reading glasses at her.

The reason the Left do not believe she knows what the Bush docrtine is, is because first, it allows them to say she is dumb, but they also DO believe she doesn't get the NYT, and other papers there.

She's a voracious newspaper reader. It's the first thing she does every day, apparently: NYT, WaPo, WSJ, including ALL the Alaskan dailies.

She knew precisely why he was asking her that question.

former law student said...

When Palin realized the bridge was going to cost more than Congress was sending, she said thanks but no thanks.

She was happy to have the Bridge to Nowhere built until she realized she would have to kick some state money in. Then she said, "Forget the bridge, just send me the money." Then she took the $223 million dollar earmarked for the bridge and spent it on other things.

It's like proudly saying "I did not waste $500 on a pair of shoes" when you spent the $500 on a new handbag. Such logic flies only on the I Love Lucy show.

Or does pvb picture Sarah Palin as a lovable lunatic like Lucy Ricardo? This is a valid interpretation, I suppose. But would we have wanted that wacky redhead a heartbeat (or stroke) away from the Presidency?

AJ Lynch said...

Can anyone seriously defend Obama's vote for "age appropriate" sex education for grades K-12?

Voting in favor clearly exclaims that the parent's opinion is not relevant when it comes to what will be force-fed to an elementary school child!

Pastor_Jeff said...

There's some truth to the media being manipulated by McCain.

They can't be manipulated by Obama, though, because they've volunteered to be used by him.

Simon said...

Whether Mark Steyn is right or not, something's happened and it's working. Rasmussen has McCain pulling into a statistically significant lead today, Gallup's given him one for a week, and a slew of state polling has seen McCain post =>270 in the model electoral college for the first time that I can recall this season.

vbspurs said...

Henry, wow, thanks for linking to this Warner article on her visit to the Virginia rally:

I tend, when I’m not in big crowds, to forget that I’m short. In Republican crowds, I find, I feel particularly small.

And dark. And unsmiling. And uncoiffed, unmade-up and inappropriately dressed.


Why does she begin her article as if she were reporting about how Keira Knightley makes everyone around her look like a fat ugly frump?

This is beyond immolation. The collective MSM are having an existential crisis before our very eyes.

garage mahal said...

Whodathunk lesbian separatists like Mark Steyn, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh hard wired on womens issues and equal rights would finally get their candidate in 2008, and be righteously called to duty?

integrity said...

Chaffee has it right on Palin:

"a cocky wacko"

Exactly.

The messiah has been shattered.

Watching everyone here panic is a PISSER!

Panic, baby, panic. Your empress has no clothes.

vbspurs said...

FLS wrote:

She was happy to have the Bridge to Nowhere built

No, she wasn't "happy". That's spin.

When asked during a gubernatorial debate about it, she expressed cautious approval.

"I wouldn’t [cancel the project]. I’m not going to stand in the way of progress that our congressional delegation — in the position of strength that they have right now — they’re making those efforts for the state of Alaska to build up our infrastructure. I would not get in the way of progress."

I wouldn't get in the way of progress is hardly, OH YEAH BABY PORK!

God, we're back to pig today.

jdeeripper said...

You want to see how the liberal media and David Axelrod really feel about all this?

You want the odds of an Obama win?

I got the video for you.

And the fuller version.

former law student said...

Can anyone seriously defend Obama's vote for "age appropriate" sex education for grades K-12?

Yes.
The current law covers grades 6-12. This was meant to cover kids from the beginning of puberty to the brink of adulthood and marriage

Since the law was passed, girls are starting to develop at younger and younger ages, pushing the minimum grade down. (Learning about the mysteries of your changing body should be contemporary with the changes.) Further, pedophilia has been shown to be rampant in our society, which means that at a minimum, kindergartners need to learn about good touch/bad touch, which is the age appropriate part of the kindergartener curriculum. Just click on your local Megan's Law website to see how many perverts live in your community, or even along your kids walk to school.

While it's true that parents can give their children anti-predator lessons, realize that parents account for one-third of molested children. In those cases the molestor is usually the father. This shows that to protect all of our children, anti-predator education needs to take place in schools.

The bill was sponsored by a single woman, and cosponsored by three Catholic moms and a Jewish dad. The bill was supported by the Illinois PTA, the Illinois State Medical Society, and the Illinois Public Health Association.

Richard Dolan said...

The interaction between Palin and the press presents an interesting dynamic, and it happens to be the opposite of the conventional wisdom that the '92-version of Team Clinton had devised. Back then, it was all about the War Room, immediate response, let no cycle pass without answering the latest charge, etc. Team O says it will do even more of that -- no Swift Boating! No More Lies! Yet, the more of that they do, the worse things get, and it all comes across as high-decible screeching at the choir. When O himself is doing his "I'm angry as hell and I'm not GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE" routine, he looks ridiculous, weak, a colossal jerk. Isn't anyone over at Team O h/q even watching how he looks when he does that?

As Steyn's piece highlights, Team McCain is doing just the opposite -- they're delighted with the onslaught of the attacks on Gov Palin. The response from Team McCain has mostly been -- can you believe this? They're fully in the Ronnie "there they go again" mode. The best weapons are humor, ridicule, a dismissive shrug. When the McC surrogates get into high-dudgeon mode about silliness (the lipstick comes to mind), not so good. But they have left that to the surrogates. McC and Palin want to sound normal, and so last night McC himself had something nice to say about O the community organizer (which also happened to point to O's weakness not his strength).

So far, it seems that Team McCain has pushed its game up a notch or three, and is doing all the big stuff right; Team O has forgotten how to play, and even who they're playing against.

vbspurs said...

Here's the link to that quote, BTW. And by "our congressional delegation" she clearly means the Pork King, Senator Stevens.

It's one thing to be a reformer Governor, and vote down a riotous project, and symbol of Washington's earmark excess (which Biden and Obama voted for TWICE...), but it's quite another to be running for office and go up against one of the most distinguished Senators before election.

Brent said...

'


Media Meltdown over Palin:


This is one of the happiest weeks of my entire life

If only it could last another 7 weeks . . .

vbspurs said...

Joan wrote:

How delusional are they? The buggy whip case comparison is apropos.

How can you change who you are, though?

When they parry complaints that they are too "liberal" by adding one or two more conservative voices to their Op-Ed section, they're seen for what they are -- token hirings.

In the NYT's case, one of those was David Brooks. My God, why not hire Andrew Sullivan whilst you're at it?

AJ Lynch said...

FLS said:

"since the law was passed, girls are developing earlier and earlier".

Are you an anthropologist now? Next you will claim this is due to global warming.

IMO parents should decide what & when a grade school child is taught re biology and predators.

Also do you have link to support your claim that pedophilia is growing or do you based that on Oreilley Factor hyperbole?

jdeeripper said...

garage mahal said...Whodathunk lesbian separatists like Mark Steyn, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh hard wired on womens issues and equal rights would finally get their candidate in 2008, and be righteously called to duty?

Strange isn't it.

Kinda like a young presidential candidate who built his entire campaign around CHANGE and then after ignoring all the female, young, outside of Washington VP candidates selects a man 4 years from 70 years old who has been a senator for nearly 15 YEARS longer than John McCain.

So Obama's FIRST important decision........and he fuckin' blows it.

Pastor_Jeff said...

kindergartners need to learn about good touch/bad touch, which is the age appropriate part of the kindergartener curriculum

Noble and well-intentioned as that may be, it's debatable whether that's what 4 and 5-year-olds need, especially since it's based on the assumption that pedophilia is "rampant." I recall that liberals were outraged at the suggestion that conservatives thought all Muslims were terrorists. Since when did all adults become pedophiles? And Republicans are the fear-mongers?

Anyway, the bill Obama steered through his committee mandates that any course on sexual behavior provide age-appropriate info not just on personal space and respecting others, but also contraception, STDs, abstinence, unwanted pregnancy, sexual assault and statutory rape.

You have read the bill, right? It's not just about good touch/bad touch.

vbspurs said...

FLS, come on now:

Further, pedophilia has been shown to be rampant in our society, which means that at a minimum, kindergartners need to learn about good touch/bad touch, which is the age appropriate part of the kindergartener curriculum.

I am, or will be, the parent teaching my kids good touch/bad touch.

How dare schools think they can do this for me, and when it's appropriate for MY child?

"Age appropriate" sex education is the worst kind of group think I've ever seen government officials attempt to rationalise. What next? Teach teenagers all about kissing and making out?

Brent said...

I'm reading the comments on TalkLeft, and I'm really surprised how frank people are about not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is. I remember a commenter with two Masters saying that too.

Victoria, the guy with the 2 Masters was me, and I actually said it on Althouse here (7:03 PM).

Glad that you did notice though!

Sloanasaurus said...

I am tired of talking about how the media bashes Palin everyday.

Lets talk about how Obama is not qualified to be President.

Lets talk about how Obama doesn't have the character to be President.

Lets talk about how Obama said he wanted to get money out of politics, which is why he supports public financing, and then how Obama later rejected public financing because he was making so much money.

Lets talk about how Obama is the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate and has never stood up to his party bosses in Illinois.

Lets talk about how Obama is one of the biggest porkers in Congress and how he wasted hundreds of millions sending it back to Illinois for his pet projects, including a hefty sum for his wife's employer (who had just doubled her salary).

Lets talk about how Obama when faced with the greatest foreign policy decision in the last 10 years, blew it completely.

Lets talk about how Obama says he wants a tax cut for the middle class when in fact his tax cut is not a cut, its a welfare payment to 50% of Americans.

Lets talk about how Obama would appoint Justices who recently voted to give constitutional rights to terrorists, who voted to excoriate the individual right to bear arms, and who voted to allow the government to take property from citizens for basically any reason.

Lets talk about Obama - breathtakingly disqualified to be President.

vbspurs said...

Brent! Was that you? If I had a hat, I'd tip it to you now. :)

Revenant said...

She was happy to have the Bridge to Nowhere built until she realized she would have to kick some state money in. Then she said, "Forget the bridge, just send me the money."

Either provide a link to her saying that or admit you're lying.

Pastor_Jeff said...

Shorter FLS: "If you're not in favor of comprehensive sex ed for 5-year-old, you're on the side of pedophiles."

Is that the official Obama position now?

former law student said...

vbs, Palin was more enthusiastic about the BTN than you indicate, empathizing with the "nowhere" folks, and saying that she and the Ketchikanese were going to make a good team to build the bridge.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/511471.html

In September, 2006, Palin showed up in Ketchikan on her gubernatorial campaign and said the bridge was essential for the town's prosperity.

She said she could feel the town's pain at being derided as a "nowhere" by prominent politicians, noting that her home town, Wasilla, had recently been insulted by the state Senate president, Ben Stevens.

"OK, you've got Valley trash standing here in the middle of nowhere," Palin said, according to an account in the Ketchikan Daily News. "I think we're going to make a good team as we progress that bridge project."

One year later, Ketchikan's Republican leaders said they were blindsided by Palin's decision to pull the plug.

vbspurs said...

Lets talk about Obama - breathtakingly disqualified to be President.

Well, actually, Sloany (as I like to call you, please let me know if it's not to your taste :), I think that by focusing on Palin, media think they are doing a favour to Obama -- they think she looks worse in comparison to him.

I think "the folks" think differently: Palin looks like the anti-Obama in just about everything.

It's a working strategy for the Repubs, but can it last? Perhaps not.

Do we really have to wait 2 weeks for the first Presidential debate? Ugh, I can't take a fortnight of pig this, and moose that.

Revenant said...

"Further, pedophilia has been shown to be rampant in our society, which means that at a minimum, kindergartners need to learn about good touch/bad touch, which is the age appropriate part of the kindergartener curriculum."

I am, or will be, the parent teaching my kids good touch/bad touch.

I forget which one of the leftie drones it was who explained the party line to me -- might have been FLS, might have been UWS -- but apparently the reason why it is absolutely vital that our Good Friends in Government provide this service is that the parents might be molesters. Of course, the notion that the teachers might be molesters somehow never occurs to these "the government can do no wrong unless there are Republicans involved" types.

But regardless of whether or not it is a good idea to teach kindergarteners bits of sex ed, it remains an objective fact that Obama supported doing so. Ergo Krugman is lying.

Dust Bunny Queen said...
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vbspurs said...

OT:

Tina Fey in talks to play Palin.

Tomorrow is SNL's season debut, guest starring Michael Phelps.

Like a lot of people, I think Fey does look like her, but their manner is completely different. Lisa Nova is much more like Palin, in terms of youth, and femininity.

Roger J. said...
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vbspurs said...

Is that the official Obama position now?

It's the Daily Kos official line, according to the commentariat...

PatCA said...

Howie's extravagent cri de couer has brought another Kurtz to mind:

"The horror, the horror!" Kurtz exclaims prior to his last breath of life on earth.

I'm loving it!

Brent said...

Sloan

Best. Talking. Points. Of. This. Campaign.

Let us all memorize these points and be prepared for our liberal friend when they start ticking off the Palin "lies".

Bring it back to the "Impotence of Obama".

Brent said...

Hey, That's a Great Book Title:

"The Audacity of Hope: The Impotence of Obama"

former law student said...

IMO parents should decide what & when a grade school child is taught re biology and predators.

Even when the parent is the predator? Interesting choice.

But under the proposed change to the Illinois law, parents would have continued to have the right to opt their kid out, without any penalty or stigma for their kid.

Also do you have link to support your claim that pedophilia is growing

I never said that. What I said is that we now realize how widespread pedophile predation is. Have you heard about the pedophile priests? Youth pastor perverts? Dateline NBC? Megan's Law?

You don't need to assume anything about child molesters in your neighborhood; just google up a link.

age-appropriate info not just on personal space and respecting others, but also contraception, STDs, abstinence, unwanted pregnancy, sexual assault and statutory rape.

Information on contraception, STDs, abstinence, and unwanted pregnancy is not age-appropriate, duh. Information under the rubrics sexual assault and statutory rape boil down to good touch/bad touch at the kindergarten level.

Peter V. Bella said...

It's about how Hillary was allowed to be treated by the DNC, when MSNBC and media were beyond sexist, they were downright misogynistic.

Hillary caused her own downfall by trying to control the media and demand she be treated fairly on her terms. She defined what fairness is. If not, no access to her. They got a little tired of her schtick. Especially when she kept demanding apologies. Of course Mark Penn did not help matters. He was the evil genius and brain of Hillary. She caused her own downfall and everyone wants to blame it on some ism or ist. Oh, and she had her own worst enemy, besides herself, Bill. Of course, her fairy tale and mythical stories and life did not help either.

vbspurs said...

FLS, I'm glad you quoted that bit about "Valley Trash".

That's how the sainted Senator Stevens' son, Ben (then State Senator) described people beneath him, in rural towns like Wasilla.

Here in Wasilla, a town of strip-mall sprawl and eccentric backwoods dwellers, people still talk about the time in 2004 when an irate resident contacted Ben Stevens, state Senate president, to question his vague explanations for taking consulting fees from an oil field-services company.

“Your [sic] just more valley trash,” the senator wrote back. The grammar was wrong, but the name stuck.


She was feeding off of this absolutely condenscending "I know better because you're podunk and illiterate folks" sentiment when campaigning.

For the record, Stevens' son is a Republican too, like her.

But that whiff of elitism has been more than visible within more Liberal confines for the past three weeks.

For this nation to advance and recognise that talent and intelligence can come outside of the "Coasts", that attitude must stop. It's breaking America.

Peter V. Bella said...

Then she took the $223 million dollar earmarked for the bridge and spent it on other things.

Which she was entitled to do under the terms of the earmark. She spent the money on frivolous, silly, and wasteful things like infrastructure; roads, highways, and such.

Man, those women really know how to spend money extravagantly. Better they stay home, pop out babies, max out the credit cards on QVC and leave important government spending and government projects to the men.

vbspurs said...

Brent, how about:

The Impotence of Obama: Hope

knox said...

The mainstream media is upset? To appropriate a favorite term of Beth's: call the wahhhh-mbulance.

Democrats are self-destructing over Palin, whose nomination has trumped their man in every way. Bless their hearts, the harder they try, the more they sabotage themselves.

For the longest time I've been apathetic about this election. But since Palin entered the scene, it has become about so much more than "Obama or McCain" (neither of whom floats my boat). We might just be witnessing the death throes of the "fourth estate" as we have known it and have been manipulated by it (yes, Howard, you had it backwards) all these years.

Peter V. Bella said...

Panic, baby, panic. Your empress has no clothes.

Your Messiah has no hope. That is change we can live with.

Alex said...

Oh great, now the libs are reduced to debating just how enthusiastic Palin was over the Bridge to Nowhere. Keep at it libs, I'm sure that will win you the election.

erniecu73 said...

¡Buenos días, Victoria!

former law student said...

Pastor Jeff said

Shorter FLS: "If you're not in favor of comprehensive sex ed for 5-year-old, you're on the side of pedophiles."

"Comprehensive" refers to a program covering grades K-12, with different age and development-appropriate curricula for each grade.

Sadly, and sickeningly, several "Christian" pastors are sexual predators. Sex columnist Dan Savage keeps track of news stories of pervert pastors, and has posted over 70 columns of such stories on slog.thestranger.com under "Youth Pastor Watch."

vbspurs said...

Serious question, since Ann left us to fend for ourselves today:

Do you think Biden will leave the Obama ticket? On his own, or from DNC pressure?

Or if he does, would this spell the beginning of the end of Obama's real chances as President, especially if Hillary declines (the only possible alternative).

Alex said...

I read on some liberal blog that they want Ivy league educated elites at the top levels of government to rule, err lead them. Basically a slave mentality among the left. They just don't understand the ideals which founded the nation.

former law student said...

Oh great, now the libs are reduced to debating just how enthusiastic Palin was over the Bridge to Nowhere.

We have learned that Sarah Palin, Proud Rejector of Earmarks, is really Sarah Palin, Lying Acceptor of Earmarks.

vbspurs said...

Buenos días, Victoria

Chico, que cosa mas grande! Nice to see you again, Ernestico. ;)

Cheers,
Victoria

Peter V. Bella said...

How dare schools think they can do this for me, and when it's appropriate for MY child?

How dare you make such a bold anti-government statement! How dare you deprive the government school indoctrination system of teaching your children what is right and wrong. Worse, how dare you deprive the special interest groups, consultants, and text books companies from all of that government pork barrel money. How dare you be anti-capitalist. Are you a commie or something; depriving people from making a dishonest buck? :)

The Drill SGT said...

So far, it seems that Team McCain has pushed its game up a notch or three, and is doing all the big stuff right; Team O has forgotten how to play, and even who they're playing against.

Team Obama's basic problem is that Onama has never had to run a serious campaign against a serious Republican, Carpetbagging Alan Keyes?

Same with Axlerod. He runs urban Mayor or blue state campaigns where the only contest is in the primary. Just like Obama, who has only had primary fights before, which he knows how to do.

Instinctly, when Obama sees the headlights and flinches, he jerks the wheel to the left.

Bill Clinton, always seized the middle.

vbspurs said...

How dare you deprive the government school indoctrination system of teaching your children what is right and wrong.

Does anyone doubt that the Home Schooling revolt would become a flat-out revolution, if this and other Obama educational plans happen?

(The mandatory "volunteerism", also comes to mind)

paul a'barge said...

Here is the correct PowerLine link.

Alex said...

FLS - Palin has seriously reduced the amount of earmarks Alaska accepts in her short stint as Governor. Look it up. Just because she accepts any doesn't make her a hypocrite.

Revenant said...

Have you heard about the pedophile priests? Youth pastor perverts? Dateline NBC? Megan's Law?

Have you heard of media hype? What am I saying; you're an Obama supporter. You're intimately familiar with media hype.

Still waiting for a citation on that Palin paraphrase of yours, by the way. Or shall I take your convenient silence as an admission that you lied?

integrity said...

vbspurs said...
Serious question, since Ann left us to fend for ourselves today:

Do you think Biden will leave the Obama ticket? On his own, or from DNC pressure?

Or if he does, would this spell the beginning of the end of Obama's real chances as President, especially if Hillary declines (the only possible alternative).



Yes, I called his campaign this morning and told them he is crazy if he does not do it immediately.

Obama should add that he makes mistakes and is able to acknowledge them and fix them, unlike the willfully ignorant George Tush. Really great stuff, if he does it.

Clinton v. Palin, hope it happens.

I have fallen back in love with Hillary. We need you Hillary.

An idealist(thinking he could win without all the Clinton drama, she would have needed him as well as it was a tie race)) has learned his lesson, I believe Hillary will be on the ticket.

Why else would Biden have made that comment the other day?

terrance said...

How dare you deprive the government school indoctrination system of teaching your children what is right and wrong.

Excellent observation. We need to get our government out of the business of educating our children. Imagine the effectiveness of our school systems if we just allowed parents and free market forces forge our educational system!

former law student said...

Lets talk about how Obama is one of the biggest porkers in Congress and how he wasted hundreds of millions sending it back to Illinois for his pet projects, including a hefty sum for his wife's employer (who had just doubled her salary).

Not much to talk about because the earmark for the University of Chicago Medical Center did not pass. They did not get a dime out of his request.

I'm surprised you devotees of the truth did not discover this.

The million bucks to build a new pavilion seemed like a fair exchange for the $90 million in free care the medical center gave to government-insured patients (Medicare and Medicaid) the year before. Besides, the hospital needs more room to give away free patient care.

Plus Obama asked for five times as much money for a competitor, Northwestern University's Prentice Women's Hospital. And as far as we know, he doesn't even have a girlfriend working there. He didn't get that, either.

AJ Lynch said...

Vicoria:

If Obama replaces Biden, what does that do to his "superior judgment" argument? It would make him look weak again and incapable.

Voters will not respond to a desperate move like that.

vbspurs said...

I am going out to the gymn, but just to leave you with this run-down of Sarah Palin's almost amazing "reform" political career:

Sarah Palin's reform resume would be remarkable in any political career. She entered politics at 28, winning a seat on the Wasilla city council as an opponent of tax increases. After she defeated Wasilla's three-term incumbent mayor four years later, she swept the mayor's cronies out of the bureaucracy.

In 2003, Alaska Governor Frank Murkowski appointed her to the state's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Bear in mind that Mr. Murkowski had already served as junior U.S. Senator from Alaska for 22 years. Mr. Murkowski was junior senator for so long because Senator Ted Stevens (who was recently indicted for corruption) had lifetime tenure in the senior post.

Shortly after joining the oil and gas commission, Mrs. Palin commenced an ethics probe of the state's Republican party chairman, Randy Ruedrich, involving conflicts of interest with oil companies. The probe resulted in a $12,000 fine for the party chair.

She crossed party lines in 2004 to join a Democratic representative's ethics complaint over an international trade deal against the Republican Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who had ties to the Murkowski machine. Mr. Renkes resigned.

In late 2005, Mrs. Palin announced her run for Governor before then-Governor Murkowski had announced his intention to stand for re-election. In a three-way primary, Mrs. Palin got 51% to Mr. Murkowski's 19%. At the center of this campaign was a debate over competing proposals to build a natural gas pipeline across Alaska.

These columns wrote about Gov. Murkowski's smashing defeat by Mrs. Palin, noting that his pipeline proposal had been tainted by reports of sweetheart deals with energy companies. The editorial ended: "If Republicans are run out of Congress in November, one big reason will be that, like Mr. Murkowski, they have become far more comfortable running the government than reforming it." That is what happened, as disgusted GOP voters turned away from their own party and ceded control of Congress to the Democrats.

Against the odds, Mrs. Palin won that 2006 election against the state's former Democratic governor Tony Knowles. Most recently, she promoted the effort of her GOP lieutenant governor to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young, who with Senator Stevens created the earmark that sank the GOP, the notorious "bridge to nowhere."


Her entire political career has been about reforming what she sees as corrupt, elitist, or nonsensical.

You can argue with this or that bill. You can't argue with a whole career.

See you guys later. Ciao Ernie! :)

Cheers,
Victoria

rcocean said...

If Obama was smart - which he isn't- he'd dump "Slow Joe" and put Hillary on as V-P.

B.Hussain just isn't an energetic candidate or good at counter-attacks, and Biden doesn't fill the need.

Peter V. Bella said...

it is absolutely vital that our Good Friends in Government provide this service

Because of all the money to be made out of those programs, consulting fees, text book printing, training materials, seminars, and hiring teachers. Millions of government dollars all going to people who cannot make an honest living.. All those people depend on you to make a living.

vbspurs said...

Voters will not respond to a desperate move like that.

I don't know. I tend to think like you, though, but then we're more on the Right than the Left. I'd wish Beth, Eli, and other more progressive Althousians would respond.

Thanks though, AJ. :)

Simon said...

Re Biden leaving the ticket, I think Obama is in a trap. If he throws Biden under the bus, he vividly illustrates McCain's charge that he isn't ready to lead: when the moment of choice came, Obama chose. And then, when the politics of his choice didn't look so good, he flip-flopped. The public accepts that people change their mind; America has internalized (although I think Palin would have done well to say explicitly) Keynes' rejoinder to the accusation that he changed his mind: "when the facts change, sir, I change my mind. And what do you do?" The public is less tolerant, however, of flip flops (i.e. changing one's position based solely on political expediency).

Pastor_Jeff said...

Sadly, and sickeningly, several "Christian" pastors are sexual predators. Sex columnist Dan Savage keeps track of news stories of pervert pastors, and has posted over 70 columns of such stories on slog.thestranger.com under "Youth Pastor Watch."

True, disgusting, and irrelevant.

And I've heard that many former law students are pedophiles, too. Now that you've aired the stupid but predictable ad hominem argument, can we talk about the bill?


Information on contraception, STDs, abstinence, and unwanted pregnancy is not age-appropriate, duh.

Thanks for making my point. Again, have you read the bill?

It mandates that any instruction on sexual behavior must include age-appropriate information on STDs, contraception, sexual assault, statutory rape, and consequences of unwanted pregnancy. If there is no such thing, why write it into the bill? Duh.

I admit, it's a poorly written bill. One would think a renowned legal expert would make the instructions and intent more plain.

Pastor_Jeff said...

So, in other words, FLS, your defense of this bill is that it's okay for government to mandate that schools provide something which doesn't exist?

Peter V. Bella said...

Do you think Biden will leave the Obama ticket? On his own, or from DNC pressure?

He is being chased by a mysterious black bus being driven by a cackling cankle queen. The question is will he be thrown under the bus or will he, in a gesture of great sacrifice and progressive honor, throw himself under the bus?

George said...

She is a dominatrix after all.

Sarah Palin wore Naughty Monkey 3 1/2 inch peep-toe pumps when she delivered her VP address, reports the Wall St. Journal.

And the Journal also reports that they are selling out on Amazon.

My wife tells me she noticed her shoes and was impressed that she could carry it off. And my wife added that they are "fuck you" shoes as in "I'll run my career as I please."

Only in America.

Peter V. Bella said...

A few years ago, my daughter went on a trip to Arizona by herself. She was a pre-teen. I instructed her on what to do if there was any "inappropropriate" behavior. She is to tell people that her father is old and crazy and carries guns and all of his friends are old and crazy and carry guns.

I also told her that under no circumstances is she ever to report inappropriate behavior to her school. She will tell me first. I will call the police and see that the person or persons are arrested. I will tell the school and I will tell anyone else.

Schools just cover things up out of fear of bad publicity. They will protect their employees as much as chruches do.

AJ Lynch said...

FLS:

The key difference is you have a strong nanny-state mentality so you delude yourself into believing the govt can do it all.

Henry said...

FLS -- You've now informed us that sexual predators include fathers, pastors, and priests.

What about teachers? Until you address that question, you have no grounds to give potential predators a reason to talk about sex with children.

I have young children of my own and while I recognize the need to talk about stranger danger, there's also a huge element of unreality about it.

Five-year-olds are not nuanced people. I say hi to a neighbor up the block and my son wonders who the stranger is and why I talked with her. The inappropriate touching message is downright confusing for kids that may still need their bums wiped.

Meanwhile, as you yourself point out, many acts of molestation are committed by relatives or friends (or priests or pastors or teachers) -- so the stranger danger message misses the mark.

I'm not one of those offended by Obama's bill. He is clearly a loving father. I'm sure his motives were good. Whatever filters down to the Kindergarten level will either be age appropriate or just fantastically confusing to them .

I just think the public-school approach is ineffectual.

Roger J. said...

Re Victoria's question about replacing Biden with Hillary. agree that she would certainly make a much more spirited candidate on the stump and inject even more life into this campaign, but I am not sure that Hillary wants it. She can read the polls and see which way this is going; even if Obama wins she can run against him in 2012. If she loses as part of the ticket, thats got to affect her cachet. And replacing Biden will look like what it is: an act of desparation after an abysmal pick the first time around.

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bearbee said...

Slightly O/T but to Palin's strength in energy, Boone Pickens video on energy needs. 1hr 5 min

Revenant said...

Not much to talk about because the earmark for the University of Chicago Medical Center did not pass.

So it is ok to *try* kicking back government money to your wife's employer, provided you don't actually succeed in doing so? I wasn't aware that "ethical" and "ineffectual" were synonyms.

Trooper York said...

They should just get a different actor to play Clueless Joe. You know like the new Darren on Bewitched.

They should just get someone like George Clooney to change his name to Joe Biden and say "Hey I meant this Joe Biden not that Joe Biden."

You know the press will be 100% on
board.

former law student said...

Lets talk about how Obama would appoint Justices who recently voted to give constitutional rights to terrorists, who voted to excoriate the individual right to bear arms, and who voted to allow the government to take property from citizens for basically any reason.

The Court voted to assert the judiciary's traditional habeas corpus powers. Absent war or insurrection, courts are entitled to demand an accounting from the executive branch. This is an issue of checks and balances, not a granting of rights to alleged terrorists.

In fact, the whole point of habeas corpus is to investigate the executive branch's determination that the detainees were "terrorists."

Half the dissent in Heller were appointed by Republicans. If you took the position we cannot afford to elect a George Herbert Walker Bush, I'd be a bit surprised but at least you'd be consistent.

And the Kelo majority comprised a Ford appointee, a Reagan appointee, and a GHW Bush appointee, along with the two Clinton appointees. So stop electing Republican Presidents as well as Democrats.

The most likely change to the Court over the next four years is that Stevens retires. A liberal for a liberal seems a fair exchange.

Simon said...

George said...
"She is a dominatrix after all. Sarah Palin wore Naughty Monkey 3 1/2 inch peep-toe pumps when she delivered her VP address, reports the Wall St. Journal."

I guess McCain's wrapped up the foot fetishist vote, hasn't he!

Hoosier Daddy said...

The simple fact is that our resident lefties continue to froth at the mouth over Palin pretty much shows that they lost their anchor. Parse away over the BTN or whether she's more qualified than the Kwisatz Haderach, until such time as you come up with photos of her in a threesome with a polar bear and Eskimo she'll have conservatives support.

Conservatives love her, lefties hate her so that's pretty much that. We should talk about something important like how Ohio State is going to kicks USCs ass this weekend.

Trooper York said...

If Mort were awake he would say that he likes girls who wear those tall high heels.

If they have big titties.

bleeper said...

I think Biden will be on the ticket regardless.

Obama is not a loving father - a loving father stops smoking so that he is there for his children. But then again, what kind of example did his own absentee alcoholic father set.

Revenant said...

The Court voted to assert the judiciary's traditional habeas corpus powers. Absent war or insurrection, courts are entitled to demand an accounting from the executive branch.

And if we were currently not at war, that argument would actually make sense.

George said...

And, Simon, that is about 80 million women.

Pastor_Jeff said...

A liberal for a liberal seems a fair exchange.

Getting rid of justices who discern new rights in the penumbra of the Constitution should be something all Americans find salutary.

See, it's not supposed to be driven by politics and ideology. Obama admitted that Scalia is a brilliant jurist, but said he still wouldn't want him on the Court. That's the problem.

Hoosier Daddy said...

High heels... Reminds of an anecdote a buddy once told me. He got his wife some 5 inch pumps and she looked at him and asked how in the hell she was supposed to walk in those and he said with a devilish grin. "Silly girl, you're not supposed to walk in them!"

Carry on

Simon said...

FLS, I don't think that anyone takes the position that any judge appointed by a Republican will do. Justice Stevens was appointed by a Republican, and I take him at his word that he is a political conservative, but jurisprudentially, he is of the liberal school of judging. So is Anthony Kennedy; he was appointed by Reagan, yes, but only because the administration ran out of steam and (to the horror of DoJ who knew exactly what AMK was) rolled over for the Senate, as JCG documents in distressing detail in Supreme Conflict.

sydney said...

It's ironic that Obama, who worked with the Annenberg Challenge to try to improve Chicago schools, would turn around and sign a mandate for K-12 sex education for Illinois school children. A persuasive argument can be made that it's just such mandates that contribute to the decline in public education. Everytime you add something that teachers "must" teach, you take away time from someting else- math, literature, writing - especially in elementary school where the kids don't have a choice of courses. You also add to the cost of education in the personnel required to document compliance with the mandates.

former law student said...

So it is ok to *try* kicking back government money to your wife's employer, provided you don't actually succeed in doing so?

Paying the UofC one million dollars to get 90 million dollars in free care sounds like a good deal to me. I'm not sure why revenant disagrees. They need to build more exam rooms, etc. for all the free care they give every year. If there were a conflict of interest, I'm not sure the cure would be for the University of Chicago Medical Center to be the one hospital in the country to receive no Federal building grants.

If there is no such thing, why write it into the bill?

Because it is a comprehensive bill, covering grades K-12.

Does it surprise you that the sex education appropriate to a high school senior would be inappropriate for a kid in kindergartner? Did you expect the Illinois General Assembly to include a comprehensive curriculum by age and development level in the bill? That would be beyond their area of expertise.

Teachers can of course molest children. But, unlike youth pastors or parents, primary grade teachers are overwhelmingly female, and only 1-4% of child molesters are female adults.

John Z. said...

Governor Palin must have done rather poorly last night on ABC. McCain's chances of winning the election (per Intrade) went up by only three points.

Peter V. Bella said...

Did you expect the Illinois General Assembly to include a comprehensive curriculum by age and development level in the bill? That would be beyond their area of expertise.

You are talking about the Illinois General Assembly right? The one Obama belonged to? Crayons and coloring books would be beyond their expertise, let alone any meaningful legislation. They cannot even get a budget passed in time; year after year. They are too busy doing the work of the people; taking money form the special interests and lobbyists to legislate money to their people.

jdeeripper said...

vbspurs said...FLS, I'm glad you quoted that bit about "Valley Trash".

That's how the sainted Senator Stevens' son, Ben (then State Senator) described people beneath him, in rural towns like Wasilla.


Sarah Palin was clearly devastated by those vicious, bigoted and racist/classist comments.

Who can blame her for this angry, morally outraged response!!

Trooper York said...

Guy’s seriously now. Obama was perfectly justified in writing a bill that mandates sex education in the public schools. He knew that his daughters were never going to a public school so why should he give a shit. It’s like when I vote for the all star team for the NHL. I hate hockey and it doesn’t effect me so who cares?

Pastor_Jeff said...

Does it surprise you that the sex education appropriate to a high school senior would be inappropriate for a kid in kindergartner?

Not particularly. I think the disagreement is whether there is appropriate sex education for a kindergardener, and whether the state should be mandating it, given all the things schools are required to do already.

Did you expect the Illinois General Assembly to include a comprehensive curriculum by age and development level in the bill?

Well, since they're mandating what's going to be taught, and failure to comply will open up schools to legal action, that doesn't seem too unreasonable.

Since the Senate bill expanded comprehensive sex ed to include every child in public school, one might have expected them to clarify what they wanted schools to provide and what that would look like.

Haven't we had enough of courts being forced to divine the intent of sloppy legislators? Maybe Obama doesn't want comprehensive sex ed for 5-year-olds. But that's what the bill he voted for mandates.

That would be beyond their area of expertise.

You mean, it was above their pay grade?

Again, thank you for making my point.

Peter V. Bella said...

Dumping Biden and bringing Hillary on board at this point would be a big mistake for Obama. It would put the disparities between their experience in the glaring light of reality.

Sarah Palin has more experience than Hillary ever will. All Hillary has ever done is advocated. Sarah Palin has acted on things. Hillary never ran anything, including a law office. Palin has run a town, oil commission, and State. Hillary has been a back burner junior senator responsible for nothing. Palin has been in the forefront of her states politics operating a government.

Sarah Palin has actually worked for a living. Hard physical work. What has Hillary ever done. Sarah Palin and her husband have had to raise a large family and live self sustaining lives. Hillary has lived off the government teat, or through the influence of her husband through the government teat her whole career. Palin owns and knows how to shoot guns. Hillary makes up heroic feminist children’s stories about dodging bullets and sniper fire.

So, if Obama really wants to lose he can bring Hillary on. Then the Democrats will have two totally inexperienced candidates running for office; one, a community organizer and the other a professional political wife cum doormat.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Personally I don't like the stilleto heels cause they can be dangerous. One time I accidently hit the sweet spot and Mrs. Hoosier planted those things right in my left thigh and buttocks. It took the paramedics 45 minutes and a tow truck to pull that thing out.

Talk about embarrasing.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I hate hockey and it doesn’t effect me so who cares

Don't say that to Palin. You're liable to get field dressed.

Not that it's a bad thing....

Peter V. Bella said...

Hoosier Daddy said...
Personally I don't like the stilleto heels cause they can be dangerous.

I don't suppose you are going to tell us how dangerous they were when you tried to walk around in them? Just askin.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Richard Dolan said...

All the talk about replacing Biden with Hillary! is fun but misses the point. What the Dems are really thinking, and what no one wants to say, is how can they do a 4th quarter substitution of Hillary! for replace O. Doing the switcheroo at No. 2 will prove, in a way that even the most particsan Dem would have to concede, that O is way out of his depth. There would be no way to recover.

The Drill SGT said...

FLS said...Paying the UofC one million dollars to get 90 million dollars in free care sounds like a good deal to me. I'm not sure why revenant disagrees. They need to build more exam rooms, etc. for all the free care they give every year.

I think the more interesting story is the UoC under Michelle's direction gave Axlerod a a contract to run a campaign to dump poor patients who had been consuming UoC resources onto other hospitals in the name of improving care.

Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities...

I've heard complaints from a handful of constituents, but I've also had calls from people in the health care profession complaining," said Ald. Toni Preckwinkle, whose 4th Ward is just north of the hospital. "The medical professionals who have come to me are accusing the university of dumping patients on its neighboring institutions. ... Whether it's being implemented in the way that's in the best interest of the patient, I can't tell you."

Sen. John McCain, Obama's Republican opponent, criticized the Democratic presidential hopeful Friday for having pledged on the campaign trail to expand health care for Americans at the same time his top political strategist "was running a campaign to cut coverage for the poor."...

At the same time, the Urban Health Initiative is improving the university's finances. Fewer poor patients are showing up at the U. of C. emergency room for basic medical treatment and are no longer admitted to the hospital. That frees beds for transplants, cancer care and other more-profitable medical procedures that the university prides itself on.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article

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Hoosier Daddy said...

I don't suppose you are going to tell us how dangerous they were when you tried to walk around in them? Just askin.

Man, do you have any idea how hard it is to find those things in a size 12?

Peter V. Bella said...

Let us look at the big picture here. There are approximately 12 +/- million gun owners. Two thirds to three fourths will vote for a candidate based on the gun rights issue.

Palin is a lifetime member of the NRA, a hunter, and a gun owner. That is a lot of voters- Democrats and Republicans, male and female, young and old, rich and poor- who care nothing about the Bush Doctrine, foreign policy, social services, or any other clap trap if it means that their rights to own and bear arms are denied.

How does Obama appeal to those eight to ten million voters.

Peter V. Bella said...

HD,

"Do you know how hard it is to stuff fat Jewish feet into skinny Italian shoes."
Totie Fields

former law student said...

From the August 31, 2008 Anchorage Daily News, showing how Palin took the federal BTN earmark money and spent it on other projects:

With pressure mounting over pork projects, Congress stripped the earmark, requiring instead that some of the money be used for an airport. Alaska eventually received about half the money. Palin last fall directed that money to transportation projects statewide instead of for Ketchikan's bridge.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/ap_alaska/story/511232.html

The only contemporary "last fall" reference I could find on the adn.com web site (November 11, 2007):

Among the earmarks: $449 million for what critics have ridiculed as two "bridges to nowhere" -- one in Ketchikan and one across Knik Arm in Anchorage formally named Don Young's Way. Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, also a Republican, last month refused to use any more money for the Ketchikan project, redirecting it for other purposes.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/243567.html

vbspurs said...

Man, do you have any idea how hard it is to find those things in a size 12?

If Rudy can find them, you can too!

vbspurs said...

Who can blame her for this angry, morally outraged response!!

LOVE IT. I'm going to hat tip you, Jdeeripper. :)

former law student said...

the drill sgt. apparently believes poor people should use hospital emergency rooms for their basic medical care. Emergency rooms are designed for heart attack and stroke victims, not kids with sore throats. Rerouting kids with the sniffles to family practice clinics rather than let triage make them wait an eternity for care makes more sense to me, but I may be in the minority on this. I don't see how the profitability is the issue here: surely a hospital should prioritize a patient needing chemo over a kid needing cough syrup.

Fewer poor patients are showing up at the U. of C. emergency room for basic medical treatment and are no longer admitted to the hospital. That frees beds for transplants, cancer care and other more-profitable medical procedures that the university prides itself on.

Barry Kearns said...

What FLS is failing to recognize is that there is a difference between supporting an end to earmarks entirely, and supporting an end to earmark abuse.

In every case I've seen, Palin has been pretty explicit in pointing out that she's been pushing to end the abuse of earmarks, rather than an end to them entirely.

That's why she's vetoed some, but not all, of the earmarks asked for on behalf of Alaska. Some of them are abusive.

Is that too nuanced of a position for you, FLS?

EDH said...

Evidently Charlie Gibson forgot that a number of people believe the Bush Doctrine was flying planes into the Trade Center.

vbspurs said...

Please delete this if this is inappropriate or anyone has any objections...but.

Since we're on the topic of bad touch / good touch

That's a real campaign photo...I'm bad.

Barlycorn, John said...

I have been waiting for the "Why do they hate us?" Column, and now I see that Judith Warner has written it.

Only before when they wrote "Why do they hate us?" about 9-11, their real subtext was "Why do they hate you?

former law student said...

Since the Senate bill expanded comprehensive sex ed to include every child in public school, one might have expected them to clarify what they wanted schools to provide and what that would look like.

Under the existing comprehensive sexual education act, Illinois school districts have been able to handle the job for grades 6-12, at least since 1986. Extending their established practices down to kindergartens is well within their experience as well as their expertise.

Similarly the Illinois General Assembly does not tell the State Troopers how they must do their jobs, nor does it tell the Secretary of State's office how to process new car registrations.

former law student said...

Is that too nuanced of a position for you, FLS?

It's more nuanced than Gov. Palin's stump speech, that's for sure.

Drill baby drill!

Greg Toombs said...

Please remember it was the (Hollywood) media that invented 'jumping the shark' in the '70's.

Once show business, e.g. the new infotainment conglomerates, took over the news business it was inevitable standards would slip further.

The fact they fail to remember history dooms them to endless repeats of the same.

Image flash: Sisyphus as role model for the legacy media. No wonder they're pissed.

Trooper York said...

Hey does Clueless Joe Biden have a "Dumb as a stump" speech?

Oh wait, we aren't supposed to mention good old Joe. Or the other old dude.

Obama is running for president against Sarah Palin after all.

Jim said...

fls -

1) Your talking points need updating: you were nowhere in the neighborhood with regard to women committing child sexual abuse.

At least 25% and believed to be even more of all child sexual abuse is committed by women.

So there goes your whole argument about teachers not being likely predators.

As far as your obsession with clergy abusing children goes, do you really want to argue the number of incidences of clergy abuse versus the number of teachers (or other school employees) abusing children? Hint: there are a helluva lot more teachers in this country than preachers. So, for the sake of your own credibility, you should drop this whole line of argument.

2) Public schools in this country are - in many cases - failing at the rudimentary tasks of teaching reading, writing and arithmetic to children. When they show that they can handle the basics, then we can talk about adding other subjects to their repertoire.

3) Show me the amount of training that teachers have in sex education: answer in 99% of cases. NONE. So on what grounds are they even qualified to broach the subject?

4) You claim that only good touch/bad touch would be taught to kindergarteners. You don't know that would be the case. It might aid your argument if you could point to any proof at all that this is the case, but you can't because it doesn't exist. Parents have been complaining for many years that school-run sex education is playing a role in oversexualing children by teaching them how normal and natural it is to have oral sex at earlier and earlier ages because, hey, the only things you have to worry about from having sex too early is getting pregnant and contracting STDs, right?

5) Which brings me to my final point on the subject: sex education is ultimately a matter of moral education. Sexuality is something which should be talked about in the context of an overall value system: teaching young women not to devalue themselves by offering sexual favors in exchange for perceived love, teaching young men that there is more to intimacy than penetration, etc. On that score, teachers are specificially NOT qualified - either by training or by right. That is the exclusive domain of parents and forcing sex education from the first day of a child's schooling is yet another example of the government intruding on family rights and responsibilities.

You may feel differently, but that doesn't give you or all your "the government is the answer" friends the right to jam it down my throat.

P.S. Before you raise the specious "but you can opt out" argument. That's a bunch of horsehockey. If 25 kids out of 30 take the class, the remaining 5 whose parents stand up and refuse to have their children indoctrinated will be ostracized to some degree or another by the other 25. Why? So you can decide what my child does and does not need to know and when they need to know it.

Get out of my family's business, you don't have the qualifications to tell me how to raise my children and Obama sure as hell doesn't either. Both you and he can take your "sex education for kindergartners" and put it in a place you should learned about in your sex education class under the subject of "sodomy."

Revenant said...

Paying the UofC one million dollars to get 90 million dollars in free care sounds like a good deal to me. I'm not sure why revenant disagrees.

Because I'm much more intelligent than you. You've got the order wrong.

First they provided the free care. Then Obama got elected to the Senate. Then they gave her a $194,000 raise. Then Obama tried to kick a million bucks their way. Obama wasn't giving them money in exchange for their providing free care; they were doing that anyway. The only thing that was new was his wife's mysterious $122,000 to $316,000 raise.

Barlycorn, John said...

"Drill baby drill"

Beats Obama and Pelosi's "Pay baby Pay!"

"The problem with the price of gas is not that it is so high, but that it rose too fast" - Barack Hussein Obama.

Revenant said...

Extending their established practices down to kindergartens is well within their experience as well as their expertise.

Explaining sex to five year olds is "well within their area of expertise"? Apparently there are more deviants in education than one would think.

Pastor_Jeff said...

...the Illinois General Assembly does not tell the State Troopers how they must do their jobs, nor does it tell the Secretary of State's office how to process new car registrations.

Again, thanks for making my point.

They are telling educators that they must provide a comprehensive sex ed program for 5-year-olds, and that it must include age-appropriate information on sexual assault, STDs, contraceptives, results of unwanted pregnancy, financial responsibility for any children they bear, etc., etc. Failure to provide such material would be a violation of state law.

former law student said...

Obama wasn't giving them money in exchange for their providing free care; they were doing that anyway. The only thing that was new was his wife's mysterious $122,000 to $316,000 raise.

No mystery here. Michelle was promoted to vice president for community and external affairs. Her salary was commensurate with the other vice presidents'.

Further, if the sought earmark was a quid pro quo, then how did the Obamas benefit from the $5 million earmark sought for Prentice Women's Hospital? As I wrote previously, if Obama was showing favoritism to his wife's employer, why would he show five times as much favoritism to his wife's employer's competitor?

School teachers in Illinois are already teaching age-appropriate sex education and have for decades. The changes proposed by Carol Ronen would have extended that to earlier grades.

Whether he likes it or not, John McCain's opposition puts him on the same side as the pedophiles. Perhaps he would like to present a more nuanced position.

former law student said...

Again, thanks for making my point.

They are telling educators that they must provide a comprehensive sex ed program for 5-year-olds,


Huh? The legislature tells them all what to do, it doesn't tell them how to do it.

Cedarford said...

Pastor_Jeff said...
There's some truth to the media being manipulated by McCain.

They can't be manipulated by Obama, though, because they've volunteered to be used by him.


Great post.

======================
the drill sgt. apparently believes poor people should use hospital emergency rooms for their basic medical care. Emergency rooms are designed for heart attack and stroke victims, not kids with sore throats. Rerouting kids with the sniffles to family practice clinics rather than let triage make them wait an eternity for care makes more sense to me, but I may be in the minority on this.

Maybe you are in the minority, FLS. Every hospital wishes it didn't have black parasites, illegals with no health insurance, poor old Medicare types (the GOMER's), and 'hos in off-business hours seeking a warm pimp-free zone where they might score some free narcotics if they moan and bellow in patient reception long enough.
Every hospital wishes it could get rid of them, but get hung up on the ethics of patient dumping.
Not UofC. They figured out a way to bus the refuse halfway across the City or out to the suburbs to "family practice clinics".

Notice that UofC did not set up it's own "family practice clinic" to serve the Southside Chicago mootchers and scumbags.

Quite smart, actually.

Bus the bums around. Some will not want to go anyways and have to explain to their pimp how they got stranded in Evanston and only scored two lousy Percocets. Or wait a day in a clinic in a rival 'hood surrounded by gangstas not kindly disposed to you being there, or old GOMERs facing an 80-buck cab bill or 2 hours of bus and subway hassle...

They pull that scam off, the savings in a month or so paid for Michelle Obama's salary (and clout) and the 3/4 million Team Axelrod contract.

Pastor_Jeff said...

Whether he likes it or not, John McCain's opposition puts him on the same side as the pedophiles.

See? I called it earlier: Opposition to sex ed for 5-year-olds means you're on the side of pedophiles.

Can you please get Obama to run that ad?

Pastor_Jeff said...

Huh? The legislature tells them all what to do, it doesn't tell them how to do it.

FLS, I really can't make it any plainer or simpler for you. The bill Obama supported spelled out exactly what schools must cover in teaching 5-year-olds about sexuality.

RR Ryan said...

Yes, Victoria, that was wildly inappropriate. And also explains at least a part of Obama's recent panic attacks. Hoosier Daddy-I live in West Hollywood and can probably help you with those size 12 shoes. Also, please kick USC's ass into tomorrow. Thanks.

vbspurs said...

If you were really savvy...you'd get Matt Damon to shut up about really bad Disney movies, like say, Brothers Grimm:

Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for Palin, called the comments "name-calling."

"It's not surprising that the Barack Obama and his celebrity supporters continue to tear down Governor Palin with little more than blatant name-calling," she said. "It's clear they're threatened by a candidate who actually has a record of achieving reform and change, while Barack Obama just talks about it."

Jon Sandor said...

Then she said, "Forget the bridge, just send me the money." Then she took the $223 million dollar earmarked for the bridge and spent it on other things.

It's remarkable how many people talk about earmarks and don't have the foggiest notion of what they are. Earmarks do NOT send money to a state. They merely specify what some of that money will be spent on. By definition, if an earmark is rejected it does not alter the money going to a state - it simply leaves it up to the discretion of the state governor and legislature what to spend the money on.


It's like proudly saying "I did not waste $500 on a pair of shoes" when you spent the $500 on a new handbag.

No, it's not like that. Not remotely.

But I am amused by this sudden if bizarre anger about earmarks coming from the Democratic Party. Do I even need to tell you what Senator Obama's position on earmarks is?

If Dems could not be hypocrites they could never speak at all.

Kathy said...

Henry's comment above is exactly right. I'd add to that that I question the effectiveness of school programs teaching "good touch/bad touch" and "stranger-danger". I found this study interesting. Basically, the researchers decided at the end that they just need to "refine developmentally appropriate information with concrete instructions and role-plays" so that even the smallest children (5-7 years old) will be able to "conceptualize" sexual abuse and accept that members of their own families might be abusers.

Sorry, but I don't want my 5 year old to even know what sexual abuse is. She knows that certain areas of her body are only to be touched by others (and just mom or dad or the doctor) when we are cleaning her or checking for a health problem. She knows that she needs to tell me or her dad if anyone touches her there otherwise. That's all she needs to know, and no big school program is necessary for that. Role-plays to help her learn that family members might abuse her, and here's what it might look like, are not necessary or advisable.

As to the qualification of educational professionals to teach these subjects, I would have to say that as an educational professional myself (formely--now staying home educating my own children), I do not agree. Even if the teacher took a special class to learn how to present that material, I would object if only because that takes away from other necessary courses teachers must take. And having been on the receiving end of many such courses, I can assure you they are less than useful or effective.

Jon Sandor said...

if the sought earmark was a quid pro quo, then how did the Obamas benefit from the $5 million earmark sought for Prentice Women's Hospital?

OMG, are you telling me that Obama has sought earmarks? Given the obvious distaste of liberal voters such as yourself for the practice, that will doom him!

Barlycorn, John said...

Look at this quote from the comments on Judith Warner's contact with actual Republicans.

"There really are 2 Americas and you visited the scary one.

Welcome home.

— Posted by Sandy"

At the end of Warner's Article, she refers to an article in edge.org where a psychologist tested whether conservatives could give the liberal point of view and liberals could give the conservative point of view.

YOu can guess which side was able. That is why we laugh when Liberals say they "Can't get their message out." when we all know their message and reject it.

Jon Sandor said...

The million bucks to build a new pavilion seemed like a fair exchange for the $90 million in free care the medical center gave to government-insured patients (Medicare and Medicaid) the year before.

Sounds like somebody needs to find out who it is that pays for this "free" health care. (Medicare and Medicaid.) I'll give you a big hint - It's the US taxpayer and the Federal government.


Besides, the hospital needs more room to give away free patient care.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me of the liberal understanding of economics.

Terry said...

"Besides, the hospital needs more room to give away free patient care.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me of the liberal understanding of economics."

Bingo. It's 'Free' means they don't understand that its not really. So clearly, they have no clue about who actually pays and how.

To them, it's just poofed out of the aether of hope and change.

Free...

former law student said...

But I am amused by this sudden if bizarre anger about earmarks coming from the Democratic Party.

It's the lying I object to. If Palin had not crowed about rejecting federal money I wouldn't have complained.

Sounds like somebody needs to find out who it is that pays for this "free" health care. (Medicare and Medicaid.) I'll give you a big hint - It's the US taxpayer and the Federal government.

I'll give you an even bigger hint: It's not the US taxpayer and the Federal government. The amount Medicare and Medicaid pay does not cover the cost of care.

The people who pay for this "free" health care are the insured patients and the self-pay patients -- everyone else who goes to the hospital.

By definition, if an earmark is rejected it does not alter the money going to a state - it simply leaves it up to the discretion of the state governor and legislature what to spend the money on.

So the state of Illinois could have taken the money that was supposed to have gone to the University of Chicago and reallocated it to Loyola University? Cowabunga! They could have taken money earmarked to repair a bridge over the Illinois River and used it to hold keggers for state employees?

Why do I have a hard time believing this?

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blake said...

Ann,

Your Power Line link goes to Kurtz.

No wonder Kurtz put a weed up Command's ass. The war was being run by a bunch of four star clowns who were gonna end up giving the whole circus away.

Terry said...

We are in the midst of a watershed event in the history of American politics and media.

It is not the election per se which would otherwise have been significant.

Rather it is that we are witnessing an unprecedented degeneration of the press as they wage the media equivalent of nuclear war against one woman.

yashu said...

Exactly, "who cares if you're mad?" It just occurred to me, reading your post, how Kurtz's complaint (at the "sudden insistence that Palin is a delicate flower who must be shielded from harsh rhetoric") resembles the widespread complaint over the past (Bush) years at the "stifling of dissent."

In both cases, the complaint is that the other side is unfairly or disingenuously constraining their right (or journalistic duty) to free expression, criticism, and inquiry. When in fact what they're complaining (or whining) about is that they can't freely express, criticize, and inquire without being subjected to free (or "harsh") scrutiny, criticism, expression in return. They (celebrities, commentators, journalists, professors, campaign spokesmen, whatever) can't say what they want without facing adverse consequences in the public agora! Imagine that! In other words, they (whether that's Dan Rather, Kurtz as proxy for Charlie Gibson, the Dixie Chicks et al, the Obama campaign, etc.) are the ones acting like delicate flowers who must be shielded from harsh rhetoric.

So they stamp their feet in frustration, and make Bush out to be tyrant, McCain out to be Machiavellian manipulator-- i.e. Rove(tm), Palin out to be "delicate flower"... or, according to Andrew Sullivan, like Putin, gasp! Took all of two weeks for Palin to have an interview with one of the Big Networks... Help, help, journalists are being repressed!

former law student said...

as [the press] wage[s] the media equivalent of nuclear war against one woman.

hey, it's been no worse than Sarah's campaign to get her sister's ex-husband fired from the State Troopers.

But, as HST said, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." Or as Finley Peter Dunne's Mr. Dooley said, "Politics ain't beanbag: 'tis a man's game, and women, children 'n' pro-hy-bitionists had best stay out of it."

Peter V. Bella said...

So the state of Illinois could have taken the money that was supposed to have gone to the University of Chicago and reallocated it to Loyola University? Cowabunga! They could have taken money earmarked to repair a bridge over the Illinois River and used it to hold keggers for state employees?

Why do I have a hard time believing this?



Do you live in Illinois? They will take the money and use it for whatever they damn well please. They do itall the time here. This state, and especially this governor are throughly corrupt. Oh, and one of the most corrupt people in the state is a guy by the name of Emil Jones; Barak Obama's political sponsor.

rcocean said...

Palin and the Earmark "scandal" almost as interesting as the Phlame affair and "Bush Lied, People Died".

former law student said...

Palin and the Earmark "scandal" almost as interesting as the Phlame affair and "Bush Lied, People Died".

How about Palin charging the state of Alaska 60 bucks a day to sleep in her own house?

Lies, expense account finagling, using the power of her office to punish her sister's ex-husband: The woman is an embarrassment; I don't care how hot Republicans think she looks. She is the second coming of Spiro Agnew.

rcocean said...

I heard Joe Biden didn't pay a parking ticket last year. Scandal!

Oh, and John McCain thinks the earth is 5 million years old while Palin thinks its 10,000 years old. Obama, OTOH, agrees with Carl Sagan that its billions and billions of years old. Sadly the only eyewitness to the earth's creation is not giving interviews. And no one else gives a rats ass.

Terry said...

"hey, it's been no worse than Sarah's campaign to get her sister's ex-husband fired from the State Troopers."

Do you really believe that? Or was it just an off the cuff retort?

You think the trooper has had 95% of a raging, demented MSM doing everything they can to destroy him because he's a threat to Obama?

Yea, that's the same.

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Terry said...

"How about Palin charging the state of Alaska 60 bucks a day to sleep in her own house?"

Don't pull a Gibson on us. She didn't charge for sleeping in her house.

Her expenses were not only legal but usual, customary and reasonable.

And why do you think all the AK politicians aren't screaming at the top of their lungs about it?

Revenant said...

if the sought earmark was a quid pro quo, then how did the Obamas benefit from the $5 million earmark sought for Prentice Women's Hospital?

Nice logic. "If Bush's wiretapping was illegal, why was he able to invade Afghanistan"?

I'm not claiming that all of Obama's earmarks were quid pro quo. Even if you could demonstrate that there was no quid pro quo for the Prentice earmark it wouldn't make the million dollars he gave to his wife's employer magically legit.

Your argument is that out of all the thousands of philanthropic organizations in Illinois, the folks who had just given Obama's wife a $200,000 raise after a few month's work just happened to be among the handful Obama tried to send government money to?

Yeah, right.

Revenant said...

hey, it's been no worse than Sarah's campaign to get her sister's ex-husband fired from the State Troopers

In the sense that the media's anti-Obama campaign is entirely legal and within their rights. :)

AST said...

I thought the "lipstick on a pig" brouhaha was silly, too, until I heard the tape of Obama saying it. The reaction of the audience made it clear what they thought he meant. He should have picked up it and clarified himself then and saved himself this diversion. Not ready for prime time? At least, Palin is not claiming she should be heading the ticket.

bob said...

pvb: ...
How does Obama appeal to those eight to ten million [gun/2nd Amendment] voters.


Suspiciously & frustratingly?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/05/obama-im-not-going-to-take-your-guns-away/

AlphaLiberal said...

How can Althouse not talk about the latest Bush scandal, the sex and drugs for oil favors? It's got everything, sex, drugs and oil.

I know, I know. Althousiania lays on the outer edges of Wingnuttia. And in Wingnuttia the sex and oil scandal never happened.

Big oil want to drill our public waters but not pay royalties to the public. And the Bushies are literally in bed with Big Oil.

vbspurs said...

At least, Palin is not claiming she should be heading the ticket.

SNL will feature a cameo of Barack Obama, and word has it the Sarah Palin character (perhaps played by Tina Fey) will "meet" him.

Does he really want to go there? I would counsel him to leave this alone, even if it's sympathetic to Palin.

Cheers,
Victoria

Jon Sandor said...

So the state of Illinois could have taken the money that was supposed to have gone to the University of Chicago and reallocated it to Loyola University? Cowabunga!

Yes, Bart, you idiot, they could have, if Congress did not specifically earmark the money as being for UC. What part of this are you failing to understand? Do you have even the slightest notion of how the government works? You are, allegedly, a former law student, so I'm expecting that you possess some bare minimum of intelligence.



Why do I have a hard time believing this?

Because you are a fool?


The people who pay for this "free" health care are the insured patients and the self-pay patients -- everyone else who goes to the hospital.

Dear God!

Ok, I see that you don't know anything. But have you ever heard of this thing called "Google"? You can go to a website at www dot google dot com and look up Medicaid and Medicare and find all sorts of information on them.

No, damn it, the people who go to the hospital DO NOT pay for the cost of care. That's sort of the whole point of Medicare and Medicaid.

Jon Sandor said...

How can Althouse not talk about the latest Bush scandal, the sex and drugs for oil favors? It's got everything, sex, drugs and oil.

I'm guessing that she does not spend a lot of time at Democratic Underground or whatever sewer you've emerged from.