August 26, 2008

Okay. I'm up for it tonight. I'm live-blogging Hillary Night at the Democratic Convention.

6:50 Central Time: My resolve jells.

7:15: I'm watching PBS tonight. C-SPAN last night. PBS has HD + longer coverage than the networks. (I don't have CNN HD.) The introductory material is about how last night somehow had to be soft-focus on Michelle and Teddy. But tonight, we'll have "red meat." Yes, I'm hoping for more excitement tonight.

7:24: A home-care worker is reading a script so robotically that it's kind of ironically human (and nice). Who would feel natural in that situation? Obama spent the day with her once, working at her job, to prove whatever that proves. The sound of talking in the hall almost drowns her out. Now, another working woman. This seems to be a parade of working women — in bright-colored suits that seem to be a tribute to Hillary's many suits.

7:28: That last woman had such a harsh voice. Now, with a deeper voice, it's Governor Janet Napolitano. The bright color for her bright-colored suit of the night is red. She's doing a nice job of laying into John McCain, but I feel these nagging feminist pains. Why is this woman — and why is Hillary — stuck on some special woman's night?

7:53: A man is talking. How is this happening? I rewind to see Jim MacNeil saying, "There's a Republican. Yes, a Republican." He's totally puzzled. It's the mayor of Fairbanks, Alaska, Jim Whitaker. Ooh, isn't he embarrassed to be relegated to Women's Night? He seems completely unfamiliar with his speech as he begins "We are Americans first" and pauses so you can tell he's thinking: American's first what? He goes on about energy. He explains why he's here: "to endorse Barack Obamas." That's not a typo. He says Barack Obamas.

8:04: Governor Kathleen Sebelius. John IMs, "I love her symphonies." Her bright-colored suit of the night is the reddest of all possible reds. She's out redding Napolitano. Against the bright blue background, it's like a psychedelic poster from 1968. It's searing my eyeballs. Yet her voice is so insanely flat. She speaks as if she's alone in a room memorizing the speech.The din of conversation in the hall is overwhelming. She's reciting words that were written to ravage John McCain, but with her delivery, it's quite comic. Well, there are actually punchlines all over the place, but I don't know if they'd make me laugh if she had a comic touch. It's funnier this way. But no one is listening.

8:16: Man, is this boring. Bring on the Hillary.

8:31: Lilly Ledbetter. She's surprised and "umbled." Great southern accent with a robotic but somehow impassioned delivery. She was the plaintiff in an important recent sex discrimination case, which she lost because she filed the lawsuit outside of the statutory limitations period. As she puts it, "Our Court sided with big business." But what she should say, to be honest, is: "Our Court declined to rewrite the statute to be fair to me." She goes on to blame the Senate for voting down the amendment that would make it possible to sue if you don't know about the discrimination when it first takes place, but then she says that Barack Obama as President will solve the problem: "As President, he has promised to appoint Justices who will enforce laws that protect everyday people." That doesn't really add up. But she's doing a good job of making us feel that the Democrats will protect the rights of working people.

8:41: The keynote speaker, the former governor of Virginia, Mark Warner. His theme is the future. Technology and economic development are important. He's trying to pump us up about that general idea. It's not at all clear that it has much to do with Obama. He says it doesn't matter if good ideas come from Democrats or Republicans. Now, he's boasting about the things he achieved as governor of Virginia, and it just makes me think about how Obama has no record at all of achievements like that.

9:15: Deval Patrick, the governor of Massachussetts. I'm getting nothing out of this. Reach for tomorrow... "Government is simply the name we use for the things we choose to do together." That's a quote from Barney Frank. Sorry. I detest sentimentality about government. I want more critical thinking and humility.

9:39: Here's the film about Hillary Clinton. It's mainly about the notion that women can achieve. She wanted to be an astronaut. She "dared to reach up." Her mother told her you can be anything you want. Lots of nice, smiley pictures, but it's generic pro-woman material. Let all women feel great. (But she lost!)

9:41: Chelsea Clinton looks gorgeous, with big hair and (finally!) a dark, skirted suit. She introduces her "hero" and her mother, Hillary Clinton. Hillary's dressed in bright orange. We see Bill, glowing and clapping and licking his lips and sticking his tongue out — in a somewhat reptilian way. Now, he's mouthing "I love you" over and over. Hillary is honored to be here, and the crowd goes wild.

10:00: Somewhere in there, Hillary said that she supports Barack Obama, but for the most part, it felt like another one of her campaign speeches. Anecdotes. Lists of problems, principles, and policies. We kept seeing closeups of Michelle Obama, who seemed to be closely monitoring the her husband's wily old opponent. And Hillary didn't do anything wrong, but did she help Barack Obama? She did say, addressing her supporters, "Were you in it just for me?" She answers that they must have supported her because they supported what she believed in and wanted to achieve. And therefore, we need to a Democrat in the White House. She says Obama's name a few times, but it seems to me as if it's just something that follows by reason of the desire to have a Democrat in the White House.

10: 30: And I'm not really sure exactly how she ended it, because I'm one of the viewers who used a DVR to record the show, and she spilled over into the next hour. They should have taken that into account.

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vbspurs said...

Good call. Hillary is worth anyone's time and attention!

Except Bill's, obviously.

Kirby Olson said...

They say she will turn herself into a ballistic missile of feminist jihad against McCain. Sounds like fun, to me. Strap a missile on her back and have her fly about the convention hall, whooping it up and finally exploding in a million fragments.

Beats Beijing.

vbspurs said...

A little more seriously, don't you think that there is an implied slur against women, in that Night 1 was clearly intended to be woman-centric (Pelosi, Schlossberg, Michelle) and Night 2 is following that script?

Putting Bill Clinton and Obama on the last two nights gives the impression that the "heavy hitters" are male.

I realise Bill's ego had to be massaged AND he's the ex-President, but this was supposed to be Hillary's year, not his.

BTW, I could care less if women or men or blacks or whites or whatever go first. But the Democrats do.

vbspurs said...

Oh Christ. It's being reported that Ted Kennedy has not got much more to live.

I mean, we knew that, but apparently it's closer than we think...

vbspurs said...

Gallup puts McCain up by 2% points, for the first time in their tracking.

Michael_H said...

Okay, I need to comment before this kicks in. I was on the Althouse blog until the very wee hours last night, following all who commented on the convention.

I woke up with a severe headache and general malaise this morning.

Did I have a blog hangover and what is its cure? Is a blog hangover caused by smoking too much blog? Is it called a 'blogover'?

I thought I'd try some 'hair of the blog' as a remedy and got right back on first thing this morning. Didn't work.

I usually have a bagel with cream cheese for breakfast following evenings out. I tried a bloggle with cream cheese. Didn't work.

I even washed it down with a nice Bloggy Mary, complete with an assortment of fruits and nuts. Didn't work.

I tried OTC medicines including Blogvil, Blogvanol, Blogspirin and Daytime Blogquil. Still felt crappy.

Anyone have a more effective remedy?

vbspurs said...

Man up, Michael_H.

(Although I heard bjs are the way to go for a guy cure-all)

Methadras said...

This convention is horrible. It's like watching the Paul Wellstone tribute all over again.

Michael_H said...

Vic-an appropriate comment for a Clinton-centric evening.

vbspurs said...

Vic-an appropriate comment for a Clinton-centric evening.

Give that man a cigar!

vbspurs said...

Okay, I know it's early, but I have to agree with Methadras. The convention lacks a sizzle, a sparkle, electricity, something.

What gives? Is it the tension between the groups, pro-Obama/pro-Clinton?

A house divided against itself cannot stand, and apparently, neither can a convention.

Michael_H said...

"Give that man a cigar!"

It wasn't the man who got cigar'd, as I recall.

vbspurs said...

It wasn't the man who got cigar'd, as I recall.

My reply.

vbspurs said...

Being reported that Tom Brokaw said on MSNBC last night that Obama was leading in the Colorado polls, but it was taken two weeks ago. A more recent Quinnipac poll has McCain up by 1% in Colorado (their sampling is far larger, too).

A little jiggering towards Obama by NBC? Say it ain't so.

Oh dear, there's that T. Boone Pickens ad again. I don't trust people with initials as first names. H Ross Perot. L Ron Hubbard. F Scott Fitzgerald.

Bad news.

vbspurs said...

LOL.

"Michelle O'Drama".

vbspurs said...

Denis Miller on fire.

"Hillary should say, all I want is for Obama not to cheat on me. I was already cheated on by the first black President, I don't want the second black President to cheat on me either."

vbspurs said...

Ann live-blogged:

Why is this woman — and why is Hillary — stuck on some special woman's night?

That was my point at 6:59 CET too.

I wish I could use a baseball analogy like Dennis Miller did for Lou Brock/Nancy Pelosi.

Trooper would think of something in a trice.

(I'm off for a while. I think most of us are off doing stuff, and not commenting just yet)

EnigmatiCore said...

"Why is this woman — and why is Hillary — stuck on some special woman's night?"

Donnie Iris has a suggestion.

Dogwood said...

general malaise

Well, did you try turning down the thermostat and slipping into a comfortable cardigan sweater?

Alan said...

Uh oh, McCain's Ambien Use: a Security Threat?

Anyone been around an elderly Ambien user? Heh

AJD said...

I hate to let facts get in the way of typical Althouse nonsense, but tonight is not “woman’s night.” For some reason, Althouse has decided to ignore TWENTY-FOUR men on the program for Tuesday:

Ted Sorenson
Special Counsel, advisor and speechwriter to President John F. Kennedy

The Honorable Mike Honda
Member of the US House of Representatives, California

Dr. David Gipp
Member of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
President - United Tribes Technical College

The Honorable Chet Culver
Governor of Iowa

The Honorable David Patterson
Governor of New York

The Honorable Patrick Leahy
US Senator, Vermont

The Honorable Chris Van Hollen
Member of the US House of Representatives, Maryland

The Honorable Charles Rangel
Member of the US House of Representatives, New York

The Honorable John Conyers
Member of the US House of Representatives, Michigan

The Honorable Bennie Thompson
Member of the US House of Representatives, Mississippi

The Honorable Dennis Kucinich
Member of the US House of Representatives, Ohio

The Honorable John Chiang
State Comptroller, California

The Honorable Jim Doyle
Governor of Wisconsin

The Honorable Ted Strickland
Governor of Ohio

The Honorable Joe Manchin
Governor of West Virginia

The Honorable Ed Rendell
Governor of Pennsylvania

John Sweeney
President of the AFL-CIO

The Honorable Rahm Emanuel
Member of the US House of Representatives, Illinois

Jim Whitaker
Republican Mayor of Fairbanks, Alaska

The Honorable Frederico Peña
Former Secretary of Energy and former Mayor of Denver, Colorado

The Honorable Robert Casey, Jr.
US Senator, Pennsylvania

Ret. Rear Admiral John Hutson
President, Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord, New Hampshire
Lifelong Republican

The Honorable Deval Patrick
Governor of Massachusetts

The Honorable Brian Schweitzer
Governor of Montana

Michael_H said...

"Well, did you try turning down the thermostat and slipping into a comfortable cardigan sweater?"

Ba dump bump!

vbspurs said...

Ah, I understand the sudden anti-Althouse snark coming out of the woodwork. Instapundit just linked to this blogpost, highlight the "woman night" quote.

I also miss Ruth Anne. Hope she comes back, because she makes these kinds of commentary threads (Oscars etc.) zing.

EnigmatiCore said...

"The Honorable Brian Schweitzer
Governor of Montana"

He's the one I want to hear, and would have been the best non-Hillary Democrat this year.

Dogwood said...

Just trying to help, Michael, just trying to help.

Ben (The Tiger) said...

No CNN HD?

Horrors!

vbspurs said...

Barack Obamas. Barack America.

Ambien is more popular than I thought.

Michael_H said...

Man, I'm gonna be glued to the TV to watch the Comptroller of Hawaii! Dude rocks!

That list of male speakers is best described a stone-free, not referring to kidney function.

Perfect for angry woman night.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

I'm live blogging it as well. And I'm not being nice.

Palladian said...

Oh gosh, the dickless supposed hedge-fund manager from the mighty Haa-vaad is here to slap us again with his tiny crimson-colored dick.

And AJD, after months of psychotic multiple personality disorder episodes, finally assumes his old name.

And they both have a hard-on about Althouse. Powerful, intelligent, outspoken women seem to have that effect on small dicked heterosexual men.

Palladian said...

To be fair, doesn't the Honorable Dennis Kucinich count as an angry woman?

Simon said...

Heh. Sebelius is on, and ably demonstrating the kind of rhetorical skills that told the veep selection committee to go elsewhere. The hall is completely ignoring her.

EnigmatiCore said...

Oh, FLS? I am sure you will drop in here as well.

Does this sound credible to you? Or incredible?

"Professor Dohrn has said of her Weatherman past, "We rejected terrorism. We were careful not to hurt anybody." Both assertions are false, however. Weatherman's twofold agenda was terrorism (which is why Charles Manson was Dohrn's hero) and war (the organization's very existence was launched with a formal "declaration of war"), and Dohrn periodically issued "war communiqués" to the public at large. The intention of the group was to shed their "white skin privilege" and launch a violent race war on behalf of Third World People. A Chicago district attorney named Richard Elrod was seriously injured in the Weatherman riot that erupted during the Chicago "Days of Rage" in October 1969, and he was paralyzed for life as a result. Dohrn later led a celebration of Elrod's paralysis by leading her comrades in a parody of a Bob Dylan song -- "Lay, Elrod, Lay." Moreover, law-enforcement authorities are still investigating a bombing in San Francisco that killed a policeman, for which Professor Dohrn is one of the suspects."

Very Lord of the Flies over the top, eh?

But oh-so-true.

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EnigmatiCore said...

"I'm just an educated, intelligent person"

Half of this we can only take on your word. The other half can be proven, or disproven.

You haven't been lighting up the scoreboard so far, though. Let's see some of that sparkling brainpower in action, Hindley.

vbspurs said...

Re: Barack Obamas again.

Anyone watch "Selena", the movie about the Mexican singer starring J-Lo?

Barack Obamas reminded of those two vatos who give Selena and her family a lift, when their touring bus breaks down.

"I can't believe I'm talking to Salinas!"

...ooh, Dick Morris making the point I was thinking about.

That the more Hillary shines tonight, and she's going to give the show of her political life -- the more Team Obama will look like idiots for not having chosen her for Veep.

Palladian said...

"I've gotta tell you, it has that effect on regular-size heterosexal men, too."

Oh I meant the passive and active aggressive hatred slung from behind anonymous Blogger accounts part, not the hard-on part. We don't question your endowment, Simon.

We do, however, question your hard-on.

vbspurs said...

Palladian, maybe it's Joe Biden.

garage mahal said...

Powerful, intelligent, outspoken women seem to have that effect on small dicked heterosexual men.

Middle Class Guy we're looking at YOU!

Lem said...

Bill Clinton says Obama can't deliver.

Obama a divider and not a uniter ;)

http://tinyurl.com/68l9gz

vbspurs said...

"screen name"

#buttseks_hottub ?

Palladian said...

Something about the stage design makes me thing that everyone that approaches the podium is about to play Press Your Luck?

Big money! Big money! C'mon! No Whammy! No Whammy! Big money and... STOP!

Oh no!

EnigmatiCore said...

"I am actually educated is intelligent is just background"

You write English very well, too. Almost passably.

How deliciously droll-- coming in, announcing your intelligence, and then proving yourself to be an utter moron.

You are turning all of us into Westley, which is inconceivable.

save_the_rustbelt said...

Anyone know why Hillary was help until 10:30 pm eastern? Was that to get best coverage of all time zones?

I have to get up at 5:15am eastern, no way I stay up that late.

Many blue collar workers have early wake ups also.

Strange? Or strategic?

Palladian said...

His Crimson blood, Simon.

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Palladian said...

"I salute any man who can maintain one of those while watching Sebelius' speech, Pal."

If Dennis Kucinich didn't kill it first.

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bleeper said...

"Hahvahd" wrote: "I mean, does any of you actually claim that she is non-idiotic or that she is substantive?"

Remarkable writin' there, bub. I think he is the semi-literate formerly known as Trumpit.

Does any of you indeed. Heh!

vbspurs said...

Strange? Or strategic?

Interesting.

I spoke to a friend's dad who is a blue-collar guy, today. Though Republican, he loved Pelosi's speech. Note, he's Italian-American and that could've played a role -- but the point is he was in bed by the time Michelle came on.

True blue-collar people go to sleep early and wake up even earlier.

I suggested he stay up for Hillary and he said he might consider it.

save_the_rustbelt said...

make that "held" not help

Palladian said...

You know, I hope Hillary had her people check for buckets of pig's blood hanging above the podium. Something about Obama allowing her a primo spot seems sort of.... Carrie-esque.

Although the though of the amusing carnage to follow might make it worthwhile.

vbspurs said...

I think he is the semi-literate formerly known as Trumpit.

Or the semi-literate currently known as Titus.

EnigmatiCore said...

Is that all you guys have?

Pitiful, it is. Almost shameful.

Yet we are still pitching a shutout against the bush leaguer.

Go back to your village. It is missing you.

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EnigmatiCore said...

"Or the semi-literate currently known as Titus."

Which Titus? I agree with Ann that there is a Titus and there is at least one fake Titus. While I was on sabbatical, that was definitely a fake Titus. The humor was different (and mostly lacking) as was all of the charm and absolutely all of the effectiveness. Titus is actually really good at making substantive points in a completely subversive manner, once you get past the shock and awe. The fake Titus? Weak, like dickless here.

vbspurs said...

The latter, Enigmatic. The current one is in no-way similar to the real Titus. No sense of humour, and fabulousness.

votingwhileintoxicated said...

We also are liveblogging the DNC if you want to check it out.

EnigmatiCore said...

"revealed himself as a disaffected law student"

A former law student?

Nah. FLS is significantly brighter. He has been mostly able to avoid giving away his radical nature, which takes a bit of discipline and cunning.

vbspurs said...

Ann live-blogged:

8:16: Man, is this boring. Bring on the Hillary.

After 4 years in the presidential wilderness, this is IT? The DNC of 2004 was way better, even though it was all disorganised and dyspeptic.

Alan Colmes just angrily parried that it'll be better at Invesco Field with 80,000 people watching Obama.

Who will be on the 50 yard line, 50 yards short of a touchdown.

Simon said...

Hey, Lily Ledbetter's speaking! I've got $5 that says she never once asks why it is that a Democratic Congress haven't passed that bill they promised to change the Civil Rights Act after the Supreme Court gave the existing text the only reasonable interpretation it can bear. How long has that bill now languished in a Democratic-controlled committee?

EnigmatiCore said...

"Wait, so bleeper and michael, your big argument is that "Does any of you claim she is non-idiotic?" is *gramatically incorrect* That's really what you have?"

Again, pitiful. Almost shameful. And I bet they would feel bad that this is all they have brought to the plate if not for the fact that they are still pitching a shutout against you. Your big argument has been "You are jaw-droppingly stupid and trite. Seriously, you're an idiot." That's really what you have?

With lameness like that, you should sue. An Ivy League education should not leave you incapable of holding your own against a bunch of mixed-ideology yokels on a blogspot blog.

bleeper said...

What? I never mentioned your beloved Obama once. Go back into the basement, and don't come back upstairs until your mother says it is ok for you to play with the big boys.

Ann does not need, nor want my defense. I do, however, get tired of wheezy elitists popping in here acting as if they know what's going on when in fact they can't even write standard English.

Helloooo, my name is Hahvahd! I adore Obama! Love me, love me! Nah, go away...

vbspurs said...

Dare we hope for a good keynote speech by Mark Warner, coming up next? My eyelids are falling.

Peter V. Bella said...

Bring on the Hillary.


Now that is funny!

Revenant said...

Do you actually need further explanation of the conclusion that commenting on the voices and pantsuit colors of convention speakers is trite?

Maybe she's confused by your claim because she knows what the word trite actually means. The word you're searching for is "trivial". The whole convention is trivial (and trite, for that matter), and most intelligent folk realize that. It is political theater, not a serious policy discussion.

On a side note, the whole "Ann is an idiot, how can she be a law professor" schtick is, itself, "lacking in freshness or effectiveness because of constant use" and thus best described as "trite". Ironic, eh?

Simon said...

vbspurs said...
"Alan Colmes just angrily parried that it'll be better at Invesco Field with 80,000 people watching Obama."

Not if it's raining it won't.

And you know what? I don't like the thought of 80,000 people cheering for a politician. Any politician. That's not a positive thing, it's a cult of personality, and the man who knew better than most where that leads died just the other week.

vbspurs said...

Finally, some crackle of excitement from this Mark Warner chappie.

He would've been a better pick than Biden, and possibly he's there as the non-Hillary Democratic future for the Presidency.

Susan said...

vbspurs,
What network is Dennis Miller on?

Oops, did anyone else watching PBS loose the transmission?

vbspurs said...

Susan, I am watching the DNC on Fox News -- since they're oppositional to Obama, and are packed with pro-Hillarites as commenters, I think the commentary is better.

To answer your question, Dennis Miller has a gig making yucks a few times per week for the Bill O'Reilly show (8-9 PM EST). :)

Simon, YES. We've spoken about this cult of personality before.

Dogwood said...

For Exhibit A in support of my case I present her mindless rambling about voice depth and pantsuits.

Television is all about presentation and appearance, hence the color of clothes, voice tone and pitch, facial expressions, gestures, etc., etc.

Conventions are about marketing a party's leaders and ideas to the American people, and apparently the DNC is doing a fairly poor job of it.

I say apparently because I can't bring myself to watch either convention.

Chip Ahoy said...

Jells. Does that mean become giggly or does it mean become firm?

Peter V. Bella said...

garage mahal said...
Powerful, intelligent, outspoken women seem to have that effect on small dicked heterosexual men.

Middle Class Guy we're looking at YOU!


I know you are not educated and not mature. What I cannot figure out is if you are a high school freshman or sophmore.

Michael_H said...

Mark Warner is a real dull guy! Not much applause from an audience predisposed to to applaud.

vbspurs said...

LOL! An American Carol looks hilarious.

I IMDBed and it's that anti-Michael Moore film by "Airplane!" director, David Zucker.

Release date: 3 Oct.

Bet you it makes more money than Stone's "W".

Methadras said...

You know what? I'm becoming more convinced that the entire notion of a political party convention is not only useless but has gone beyond it's shelf life. Bringing the party faithful to gather in a 4-day rah-rah festival is pointless and meaningless at this point. If the DNC wanted to have the greenest convention (nauseating to even say), then their best bet would not to have had one at all. They would have had C-Span set up an online site and televise a webcast for each chairman of each delegate state to come online and cast their delegate vote for their respective candidate without all of the sundry bullshit that people would have to endure watching, much less listen to. The whole concept is past it's prime. Time to die.

Simon said...

Which night is Bill Ayers speaking, by the way? Or is he just kind of a disembodied symbolic presence throughout the event?

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Methadras said...

Alan Colmes just angrily parried that it'll be better at Invesco Field with 80,000 people watching Obama.

Ah yes, the creature has spoken. What is the swishy sound? Yeah, it's the liquifaction of Colmes' brain to vocal center manuevering.

Michael_H said...

Yawn. I think the other Warner, the one who married Elizabeth Taylor a few time is far more interesting.

Probably likes fish tacos, too.

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EnigmatiCore said...

In the words of the Joker, what this town needs is a better class of troll. We can all feel remorse that good money was spent on producing that level of developed intellectual capability. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, after all.

Or is that, I wouldn't mind getting terribly wasted?

I always get those two mixed up.

Bring on Schweitzer!

Alan said...

I sort of like this Warner guy.

I liked the line that we borrow from China to pay for oil from countries that don't like us.

He sounds almost conservative.

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EnigmatiCore said...

"I think that's what really gets dickless here off - the prospect of being a prison guard in one of the camps must make him almost wet himself with anticipation."

Yes, this is true.

He really has no dick.

EnigmatiCore said...

(Thanks for the set, Simon. I was really waiting for someone to take my dig and prepare it for the spike.)

vbspurs said...

the prospect of being a prison guard in one of the camps must make him almost wet himself with anticipation.

You know how last night some people thought the blow-up was a chick thing? Well, this stuff above is a guy thing. I can't relate!

Right now, with regret, I have to go and probably miss a lot of the Hillary speech with you guys.

My boyfriend had his cast removed from his hand, he's home, and he comes first tonight -- so I'm off to call him.

Hope to be back to read some awesome commentary! Enjoy it folks. :)

Michael_H said...

Right now I can see the Burgess Meredith character from Rocky, Rocky's trainer Mickey Goldwill, in the green room, slapping Hillary with a wet sponge.

Mickey's growling at her, through clenched jaw, "come on, kid (slap slap), you can do it! Ya can take 'em (slap slap)! They got nuthin'! Nuthin I'm tellin' ya! (slap slap)

joewxman said...

Rather than watch womens night at the DNC i'm watching ice road truckers on the history channel.

Or is that the same thing?

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EnigmatiCore said...

ADS?

We could actually use that.

Revenant said...

Only one person has that kind of regard for Greenwald, and it's Greenwald.

That's a good point. He's got Greenwald's excess-verbosity thing down pat, too.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Ok this is funny...Ann and I are having some of the same reactions as I live blog it too.

I just checked her reaction to Sebelius and we said the exact same thing.

EnigmatiCore said...

You see, there is a concept called "support." That means that you present for reasons for what you think, rather than simply stating what you believe over and over.

Interesting. I probably should have caught on to that concept sooner, although your complete lack of having done so yourself when making your opening insults to the host probably threw me.

I would say that evidence of Althouse's keen intellect is found every time she tweaks the eminently tweakable and brings them to a nice frothy lather. Do you need a mirror?

Oops. Bad form on my part. I went first rather than insisting on you living up to your own standard. Just as well.

blogging cockroach said...

hey i live near harvard u
if anyone should call themselves 'harvard' it's me
but 'harvard cockroach' sounded too pretentious
i mean i'd have to get a little maroon tie
with ver i tas on it
not to mention the blazer
and anyway everyone knows that cockroaches don't go to harvard
it's usually yale for us

but i do have a reply to 'haavahd'
--as they say it around heah--
althouse writes about all kinds of stuff
even insects yay
doesn't mean she's stoopid
just interested in everything
you know i only have 960 brain cells
but i get the most out of them
which is obviously a lot more than you're managing
with a few hundred more

EnigmatiCore said...

That's a good point. He's got Greenwald's excess-verbosity thing down pat, too.

I was dismissive of the idea at first, but I am having a real hard time countering Simon's succinct and powerful argument.

Alan said...

MSNBC's commentators are basically saying the same as you about Warner, Ann. He's helping himself more than Obama.

Chip Ahoy said...

It's as if the helicopters are chasing each around in circles.

These people don't care about green, global warming, carbon credits, the environment in any way, shape or form, it's all nonsense designed for the open-headed susceptible masses and this continuous stream of helicopters proves it. And by open-headed I mean open at the bottom where things have a tendency to tumble out.

Simon said...

(I didn't see Althouse's 9:14 PM before posting my comment above; sorry. Will comply hereafter.)

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Dems are such pussies. Did anyone see Kucinich earlier today? He was fantastic and had the crowd on their feet. Sure you don't agree with him but he should be a prime time speaker. Who cares if he's outside the mainstream...maybe if the country saw someone inspiring thousands of people like he did in the Pepsi Center they'd at least be entertained. He has more charisma than any of the idiots I've seen tonight.

garage mahal said...

I know you are not educated and not mature. What I cannot figure out is if you are a high school freshman or sophmore.

Peter V Bella = Middle Class Guy?

EnigmatiCore said...

Let's talk about the convention.

I can't. My wife has the Science Channel on.

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Revenant said...

I presented several examples of AA stupidity.

You cited an example of her making remarks you deem "trite". You seem to feel this reflects on her intelligence, presumably because -- as I noted above -- you don't know what the word "trite" means and have concluded it has something to do with stupidity. To this you added the unsupported assertion that her AutoAdmit and Obama-Ad posts were evidence of "vapid idiocy"; being as they lack any supporting argument, those assertions may also be ignored.

You also cited Ann's opinion that Taylor had ruled wrongly as evidence of Althousian "stupidity". Taylor was, of course, overturned on appeal, demonstrating that those who thought Taylor's ruling was correct (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) were wrong.

All in all, a poor attempt at trolling. I give it a 2.1 out of 10.

Peter V. Bella said...

vbspurs said...
Oh Christ. It's being reported that Ted Kennedy has not got much more to live.


And another one bites the dust.

Simon said...

Zachary Paul Sire said...
"He has more charisma than any of the idiots I've seen tonight."

That's fair. I'll give him that. But charisma isn't necessarily a positive attribute - it depends on whether it's used for good or for socialism.

EnigmatiCore said...

Who cares if he's outside the mainstream...

I suspect that the DNC and Obama cared, because they are trying to reach voters beyond the true believers, not scare them off.

Remember, this is a giant political advertisement.

They want to put their best foot forward, not put out entertainment. They'll do the latter if at all possible, but not at the expense of the former.

Fen said...

My contempt for Obama grows:

"Now, Obama himself has upped the ante by demanding that the conservative who funded the Ayers ad be criminally prosecuted:

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.
"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.


Obama's suggestion that it is illegal for a 501(c)(4) entity to fund issue ads that are negative toward him appears ludicrous. Here's the real question, though: if Obama is elected President, will he appoint an Attorney General who will carry out politically-motivated prosecutions like the one he is now demanding?

via Powerline

Fen said...

demanding that the conservative who funded the Ayers ad be criminally prosecuted:

[...]

EnigmatiCore said...

It is ludicrous.

But how is it that much different than McCain's criminalizing political speech through McCain-Feingold?

Bill White said...

Ah - so government is what Barney Frank does with someone. That certainly explains a few things.

Fen said...

So really, our hostess who champions free speech, why would she support this marxist facist pig?

I call it with certainty now: Ann will cast her vote for McCain.

Alan said...

Fen, it's just a political move to emphasize the point that the Ayers connection is way over the top. It's a balanced response to the outrageous claim. No one is actually going to be prosecuted.

somefeller said...

Palladian says: You know, actual educated, intelligent people don't feel the need to constantly tell everyone that they're educated and intelligent. Nor would any actual Harvard graduate (as stupid and vain as Harvard graduates are) do anything as embarrassing as make their screen name "Harvard".

Very true. The general rule is for Harvard students or alums: (a) don't say where you went to / go to school, (b) if that fails, say you went to / go to school in Massachusetts, and (c) if both of those fail and you have to say where you went to / go to school, say that you went to Harvard. The buildup helps create the famous H-Bomb effect. The fact that this particular person calls himself "Harvard" and moons about the way he does leads me to believe he never went to school there, or was pretty low on the pecking order there.

Back to topic - good speech by Warner. Not a barn-burner, but a good mix of criticism of the GOP and support of the party. More importantly - many good shout-outs to the people of Virginia. Hopefully that will bring in a few thousand votes, which may be the margin of victory if things remain tight there.

AJ Lynch said...

Simon said:

"Which night is Bill Ayers speaking, by the way? "

Good one!

mrs whatsit said...

Agreed in theory, Ann, though sadly I have nothing enlightening to say about the convention just now. (At the moment, I'm rereading "Bleak House" while watching the Red Sox beat the Yankees. More entertaining and a lot more edifying.)

As for Harvard, he's managing to eviscerate himself quite effectively with his increasingly desperate and ungrammatical comments. No help seems to be needed from the rest of us.

Fen said...

EnigmatiCore: But how is it that much different than McCain's criminalizing political speech through McCain-Feingold?

McCain was trying to clean up the soft money system, through Congress. He was WRONG, and thats still one of the reasons I oppose him, but his effort was good faith.

Obama is simply trying to shut down opposition speech he disagrees with. Tyrant.

EnigmatiCore said...

"the Ayers connection is way over the top."

Except for that it isn't way over the top. It's the main reason, along with Wright, that I won't even consider voting Obama.

I think it is more accurate to say that it is to try to keep attention from Ayers. And his lovely, blushing bride. With the killer forked-salute gesture.

Fen said...

It's a balanced response to the outrageous claim

What outrageous claim? We know that Obama sought Ayers out for a political alliance re public education. And we have Ayers telling Hugo Chavez that the US education system is the best tool to advance Marxism.

Michael_H said...

9:36 PM. I'm re-focused.

Chip Ahoy said...

T.K. hasn't long to live?

*sads*

That marks the end of an error. Oops, I mean, era. Not to worry. The Dems have several generations worth of video to drag out on every single occasion. As this occasion has already ably demonstrated. It's a requirement.

Pardon me for being rude, I have helicopters flying around my head, some so bold as to shine klieg lights directly into my courtyard from above illuminating my balcony like high noon on the equator, and that's not very nice.

vbspurs said...

I'm back briefly because I just had to mention something:

When they said this convention was going to be transformed to the Clinton Convention instead of the Obama Convention, the moment she and Bill took over -- were absolutely right.

This video is absolutely a convention-transforming presentation.

It's basically a Vote for Hillary for President video, and darned effective.

Obama and Michelle must be looking like the Keystone Kops slipping on a banana peel.

"Every child has a right to develop their potential"

Says Chelsea, in the voice over.

Unspoken: UNTIL OBAMA BUTTED IN.

Chelsea live! This is now the Convention we all anticipated.

ORANGE PANTSUIT. Orange the colour of victory, of freedom, of Florida!

Love it.

EnigmatiCore said...

"the Governor of Montana actually had a little life in him."

I said it earlier in the thread-- this is who the Democrats should be running.

Alan said...

Yeah Fen, Obama is a Marxist Muslim who wants to work with the Weather Underground to teach marxism/darwinism/gay agendaism to our kids through government schools. At least to those lucky kids not aborted by marxist/gay/darwinist baby killer "doctors."

vbspurs said...

Wow, did you see Michelle Obama's expression during the sustained applause for Hillary?

Man, did she look PISSED. That was way more effusive than she got.

BTW, was Clinton mouthing, "Hillary, they love you" when they showed him?

ricpic said...

Speaking of colors, Hillary seems to have a thing for canary yellow pantsuits. I think they look horrid on her. On most women for that matter. Agree? Disagree?

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Lem said...

Its an orange revolution for Hillary... the orange suit.

The 2004 presidential election in Ukraine featured two main candidates. One was sitting Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, largely supported by Leonid Kuchma (the outgoing President of Ukraine who already served two terms in the office and was precluded from running himself due to the constitutional term limits). The opposition candidate was Viktor Yushchenko, leader of the Our Ukraine faction in the Ukrainian parliament, also a former Prime Minister (1999–2001).

The election was held in a highly charged atmosphere,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

AJ Lynch said...

Did Chelsea really speak ? I thought that was sarcasm when I heard earlier she might.

Sorry I am watching a baseball game. Fing Mets are winning.

Chip Ahoy said...

I hear and I obey.

I've put the crimson tidal bore on Blogger's manual ignore. Manual ignore = skip skip skippy skip.

But I cannot contribute to a convention discussion because like joewxman, I am not watching it. But instead of Ice Road Truckers, I'm watching Charm City Cakes, or is that the same thing as the convention?

God told me it's OK to ditch pep rallies. Himself approves. Which caused some confusion so I go, "But , God, you won't get mad at me for ignoring the chosen one?" He goes, "Nah, he's chosen alright, but for something else." So I go, "OK, ta." And that was that.

Peter V. Bella said...

I want more critical thinking and humility.

From politicians? There is more critical thinking in a fifth grade class. As to humility, politicians are about as humble as stand up comedians. They are funnier though.

Theo Boehm said...

I'm afraid you'll get precious little "critical thinking and humility" from Deval Patrick.

As a resident of the Bay State, I can tell you that Deval Patrick has been the ultimate empty suit, and what many fear will be the template for Barak Obama.

Patrick screwed it up almost from day one. The Commonwealth needs money. Politicians LOVE sources of revenue. What was Deval Patrick's brilliant plan to rescue Massachusetts' shaky state revenues?

Casinos!!

Just what every progressive, thoughtful governor would propose, no? Especially when powerful members of the legislature are dead set against them. Absolutely brilliant.

Patrick did learn a little humility, I suppose, from this fiasco, and his proposals this year have an air of seriousness and reality about them. Mostly they're modest, long-overdue, and don't make him the object of scorn.

Massachusetts is a fairly inconsequential small state, so if the Governor screws up it's mostly an irritation, often amusing. On the other hand, if Obama pulls a Deval Patrick in the Presidency of the United States, God help us all.

Seriously.

m_guidry said...

Um, who's the nominee again? Sounds like Hillary is about to accept the nomination...

AJ Lynch said...

Phils tied it up in the last of the 9th. F the Mets!

Biff said...

Re. Deval Patrick's inane remark that "Government is simply the name we use for the things we choose to do together.":

Nonsense. You don't need government to do things that people voluntarily choose to do together. We have better names for such things: associations, foundations, clubs, companies, etc.

Government is actually the name we use for things we choose to do when we need to coerce or to force others to do things that they don't want to do.

Lem said...

15 minutes on and Hillary has only named Obama 3 times.

Peter V. Bella said...

ricpic said...
Speaking of colors, Hillary seems to have a thing for canary yellow pantsuits. I think they look horrid on her. On most women for that matter. Agree? Disagree?


It is the new color for the trailer park set. Very fasionable in a double wide. Trooper would agree with me on this.

Palladian said...

I love Hillary.

AJ Lynch said...

Ann :

These speeches seem to have been lacking in substance. Was this a clever plan to save the red meat for Obama?

And what would you say if you were accepting the prez nomination for a major party? Give us five things you would promise to the masses (or your commentariat).

Thanks

Lawgiver said...

Hillary---Good speaker, puts Michelle to shame. No wonder Ms Obama wouldn't allow her to be considered as VP.

There can be only one Queen Bee.

Peter V. Bella said...

This convention may turn into the biggest fairy tale we have ever seen in our lives. Hmmm. Al Gore got the Oscar for that silly comedy he made. Maybe, just maybe this convention will be nominated- twice- for an Emmy award in the fantasy TV category.

Lawgiver said...

Obama will sign into law comprehensive health care, end war responsibly........

That's the new meme "end the war responsibly."

Ruth Anne Adams said...

I read stories about the 1976 Republican Convention where Gerald Ford was nominated. He allowed Ronald Reagan to speak and many tell the story of how they had a collective moment of 'Oh, God, we've nominated the wrong guy.'


Deja vu.

Chip Ahoy said...

Today I made sandwiches in which no animals were harmed.

Oh piss! I just turned to the convention and the Hillary was in full oration mode, with the camera on the husband. Oh Lord, why didn't I listen to you?

must. change. channel.

Whew. That was close. Darn near turned to salt.

Seven Machos said...

Having read through these comments, my conclusion is that this Harvard character is seething with rage underneath, and seriously resents the fact that Althouse has a widely-read blog and, really, a hell of a political and aesthetic platform.

m_guidry said...

Hillary electrifies crowd...Biden better not put them to sleep tomorrow, else that 3AM text looks worse and worse...

Ben (The Tiger) said...

She lacks the magic she had in PA, WV, KY, and SD...

Ruth Anne Adams said...

Hillary looks better than ever. Choosing orange was perfect. On a color wheel, orange is exactly opposite the blue that's behind her and she looks fab even on hi-def.

Michael_H said...

Government will do everything for you, solve all your problems. Frightening.

(All it takes is everything you'll earn.)

At the beginning of her speech, she said she has a wonderful daughter, but made no comment about her husband.

Lawgiver said...

More linkage of Bush and McCain....blah...blah...blah.

She is rolling, best speech by a Dem so far, the fans are eating it up.

Peter V. Bella said...

Hillary Clinton’s Speech

Lawgiver said...

Chelsea looks great. Brilliant blue eyes.

Lem said...

The red sox had just beat the Yankees before Hillary went on.

Karma?

reader_iam said...

The "group of followers" on this blog have influenced this "Rush-listening ultra-right" conservative to support gay marriage.

And you think your methods are more effective... idiot.


Well, how 'bout that.

Lawgiver said...

I'm so glad she is not the nominee. She would kick McCain's ass. She did a great job.

Joe Veenstra said...

I thought Hillary's speech kicked butt and I'm not a big fan of her generally.

EnigmatiCore said...

So does a very effective Hillary speech make Obama's numbers go up, or down?

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chickenlittle said...

Tuning in late. Was Obama in the hall? Close-ups on everybody but him. Where is the Messiah?

Peter V. Bella said...

Lawgiver said...
Obama will sign into law comprehensive health care, end war responsibly........

That's the new meme "end the war responsibly."


Sounds more like Richard Nixon's peace with honor. War went on for almost five more years.

LoafingOaf said...

Hillary takes the stage at a quarter to 11 for those of us on eastern time. Already feeling drowsy, this robotic woman...*yawn*...is saying nothing interesting...and I'm going to bed. I said last night that for the first time all year I thought McCain would win the election. After another bust of a night in the Obama convention, that seems even more true.

Nothing is happening at all at the Democratic Convention.

The robotic woman is still going on about lord knows what. Oh there, she's going on about health care, something she messed up. Yawn. Goodnight, robot phoney woman in the orange pants suit.

I doubt MSNBC will admit it, but the Obama convention is a complete disaster so far. The only news out of the convention that I can tell is that Michelle Obama doesn't hate America and the Obama family are not aliens from Mars.

Well, I already knew that.

McCain must be laughing his ass off behind closed doors right now. Half the convention is over and NOTHING OF NOTE HAS OCCURRED.

Oh, except the Obamas' youngest daughter was instructed to say stuff on stage that was intended to look unscripted.

Dogwood said...

Obama's entire campaign has lacked substance, why should his convention be any different?

Seven Machos said...

NEW THREAD!

Chip Ahoy said...

"How do we give this country back to them?"

My dear woman, it was never taken, and your repeating of that axiom doesn't make it so.

EEEEEEEEEEEh. Sorry. Thanks for playing. Here's your consolation Rice-a-Roni.

My screen is showing orange. The yellow (with black trim) that I kept seeing was a mustard yellow. And yes, ugly. In a startling bumble bee sort of way.

I notice patterns are definitely out. It's solids all the way. There'll be no psychedelic pixilation at this convention, no Siree.

The helicopters have calmed for this, and for that I am thankful.

Peter V. Bella said...

LoafingOaf,
It is not the Obama or the Democratic convention. It is the Hillary Clinton Convention. They ceded it over to her. Why, we will never know, but it is all about her.

Seven Machos said...

Poor Maxine. She gets a lot of grief and at least some of it isn't earned because all the guesses aren't true.

I disagree. There's no way that Maxine could have gone so long without an allusion to cosmetics.

What a shrill intrusion, though. Hey, you idiots and morons! I am here to convince you that you are wrong.. I see this performance of a harbinger of many even shriller and holier-than-thou performances to come between now and the McCain's landslide.

LoafingOaf said...

I'll tell you one thing though. Chelsea has really blossomed into....should I say this? She kinda turns me on.

AJ Lynch said...

I got this "post-it" note on my laptop. On it I copied a news tidbit that claimed no president since 1964 has won the Prez without winning OH, TN, KY & MO.

How is Obama doing in those states? Not too well right? Hillary's speech tonight will help him in those states? Heh.

vbspurs said...

Ruth Anne wrote:

Hillary looks better than ever. Choosing orange was perfect. On a color wheel, orange is exactly opposite the blue that's behind her and she looks fab even on hi-def.

Nice to see you, Ruth Anne. :)

Hillary was magnificent tonight. She looked refreshed, vivid, winsome.

Heck, she looked like Mrs. America.

This is the kind of person Obama desperately needed alongside her, and no wonder Michelle looked irritated beyond belief every time the camera panned to her -- the comparison between the two ladies is as chalk and cheese.

She wasn't Shrillary tonight. She wasn't the Hildabeast.

She was a historical figure of tremendous import, tying those women in 1842 to her tonight.

The stark opposite of Michelle Obama to Harriet Tubman.

Cheers,
Victoria

Seven Machos said...

I've not seen Chelsea Clinton but if she does look hot, it just demonstrates my theory: all women go through at least one hot phase in their lives.

Lem said...

The talk is that Hillary hit it out of the park.

Typical, now that she is not in the playoffs, she shows passion.

Where was this Hillary?

Simon said...

Interesting to compare McCain's respectful remarks about Clinton on Leno last night with Clinton's tacky, classless partisanship - "[electing McCain is] more failed leadership. ... No way. No how. No McCain."

wanderlust747 said...

thanks hillary for reminding us why we should have nominated you instead of obama.

i love these slips in her speech (i could see penn and bill brewing stitching these together):

1. she opened with "my friends" (hi john mccain!)

2. she also mentioned "bringing troops home with honor" (f.u. barack the quitter....shout out to john again)

3. she cast herself as the "american girl" (what where those penn memos about casting obama as a foreigner?)...not only in the video, speech, but from the music selection as well.

4. "are you gonna go my way" by lenny kravitz was interesting choice of music...in terms of 'unity'

5. she cast herself as a champion of the white middle class (an electorate that obama has struggled with...more than anything reminding voters of his shortcomings)

vbspurs said...

Krauthammer: "My first thought was boy she is a changed candidate. Where was this Hillary during the campaign?".

Totally.

BTW, I also concur with Nina Eason that she did the bare minimum FOR Obama. Yes, she started off strong in his corner, but then he got shunted to very much the background.

The signs told the tale -- "Hillary" (and Obama) as far as the eye could see.

If you were a foreigner, you wouldn't even know there was a guy called "Joe Biden" on the Democratic ticket. Except for a courteous reference to him and his wife, Joe got the short end of the stick.

vbspurs said...

1. she opened with "my friends" (hi john mccain!)

Did you hear the sound of a thousand Democratic sucking air out of the convention when she said, "John McCain is my colleague AND MY FRIEND."

You'll notice that her fellow Senator, Barack Obama, didn't get a similar mention. He ain't her friend.

Chip Ahoy said...

Orange (red + yellow) is opposite purple (blue +red), color wheel wise, but your point is taken. Yellow (primary) would contrast directly with Blue (primary).

This concludes my color-related pedantry.

Here we go with the helicopters again.

Peter V. Bella said...

She was a historical figure of tremendous import...


She is the very first totally unqualified woman to run for president. Hopefully, if we are to make history, some one with real, documented, experience could run. It would make no difference which party. Just a woman who has actually accomplished worthwhile goals; aside from standing by her man.

Seven Machos said...

Peter -- She has been a senator for eight years, and you really can learn quite a bit as the queen.

Just saying. At some point, qualification does occur.

vbspurs said...

Simon wrote:

"[electing McCain is] more failed leadership. ... No way. No how. No McCain."

Well, honestly, she barely mentioned him in a truly negative way. She didn't mention the houses, nor did she pander to the crowd overmuch.

Sure, she got in a shot about the Twin Cities = Dubya/McCain being twins.

And the "No McCain" rip too.

But that was almost a statesmanlike speech, IMHO.

It wasn't overly partisan, for one, certainly not for a DNC speech. The Montana Governor had a much more rabble-rousing speech in that vein.

The Dems are making a mistake. They should be going after Dubya, which unites both factions, and they are not.

Odd, no?

carly said...

Way to give a rousing speech "endorsing" a candidate without ever saying anything actually about him!! Basically what Hillary did was remind us of how great SHE is, what SHE stands for/has accomplished, of all the ways SHE would like government to dominate us... And by the way, she urges us to vote for "not McCain". She could have given the same speech no matter who was running for President.

The Obama people must be SEETHING over this Hillary-centric but otherwise generic speech--especially since she got such a loud, enthusiastic, emotional response to it from the crowd.

Does anyone doubt Hillary would be leading McCain by double digits right about now? Haha....

somefeller said...

If you were a foreigner, you wouldn't even know there was a guy called "Joe Biden" on the Democratic ticket. Except for a courteous reference to him and his wife, Joe got the short end of the stick.

Wrong. Biden got mentioned several times in Hillary's speech, which is all any VP nominee should get.

Interesting to compare McCain's respectful remarks about Clinton on Leno last night with Clinton's tacky, classless partisanship - "[electing McCain is] more failed leadership. ... No way. No how. No McCain."

Heaven forbid that people behave in a partisan manner at a political convention. Also, let's remember that all the nice-talk about Hillary that we've heard from Republicans for the past week or so has had one goal - to peel away Hillary voters from the Democrats. Hillary made it clear tonight that such flattery doesn't impress her, nor should it impress her supporters.

Great speech from Hillary tonight. It hit all the different markers it needed to. I'm proud to have supported her in the primary, and look forward to voting for Obama in the general.

LoafingOaf said...

See, the thing is, I highly doubt much of America is watching this convention. As I said, the networks came on at 10pm in the eastern time zone. It was a bunch of talking heads for 45 minutes. Then Hillary took the stage at like a quarter till 11.

Not many people watched this speech. What the Obama campaign needs is newsorthy soundbites and stuff to fill the Internet and news for the days ahead.

Each and every speech has been a bore.

I guess they must be assuming that Bill Clinton and then Barack Obama will hit it out of the park. That may be. As it stands so far, though, this convention will be quickly forgotten, and by week's end McCain will anounce his VP and that will be the news of the weekend. Obama had better hope McCain picks someone who blows up in his face, because McCain has the momentum now. McCain was good humored and charming on Leno last night!

Hillary didn't really sock McCain. Not ina way that will bleed. Just forgettable one-liners, like that Twin Cities - Bush and McCain are twins line. But what could Hillary do to make McCain bleed? She's already on record as a McCain fan..... So is Biden....
Biden said he'd even run WITH McCain if he was asked.......

vbspurs said...

She is the very first totally unqualified woman to run for president.

Peter, I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you there.

She wasn't a beneficiary of Affirmative Action, like Michelle was. She was a more than competent attorney, a First Lady of an US State for several years, a US First Lady for 8 years, and a Senator for another 8.

Come on now. I hate the lady too, but she's qualified.

vbspurs said...

Ann, another call for a new thread, please.

Ruth Anne Adams said...

Chip: On a full color wheel, a primary [red, yellow, or blue] is always opposite a secondary color [green, purple and orange].

Blue is opposite of orange on a color wheel.

Peter V. Bella said...

The Honorable Rahm Emanuel
Member of the US House of Representatives, Illinois


Rahm Emanuel is not honorable. He is despicable. He lacks character and has no morals, ethics, values, or integrity. He is nothing more than a power hungry, rabid pit bull. He is a typical politically corrupt Chicago politician.

Chip Ahoy said...

Ha ha ha ha ha. ^^^

*slaps knee*

Peter V. Bella said...

Why is this woman — and why is Hillary — stuck on some special woman's night?

They are all stuck on stupid. They are Democrats.

Michael_H said...

That was the opening speech for the 2012 election. It was about Hillary, not Barack.

Bill Kristol said she mentioned Barack only 10 times, and didn't include any reference to his capability for the office.

Of course she wants Barack to win. That way the next four years will be so effed up that she could grab the nomination in four years.

Chip Ahoy said...

I stand corrected.

*turns in paint set*

Seven Machos said...

COLOR WHEEL CAGE MATCH SMACKDOWN!

I'm in. Is green available?

Seven Machos said...

Oh man...

Peter V. Bella said...

Seven Machos said...
Peter -- She has been a senator for eight years, and you really can learn quite a bit as the queen.

Just saying. At some point, qualification does occur.



Please point to one specific piece of legislation that she authored? Please point to one specific thing she has done in the Senate that has impacted the lives of Americans in a positive manner. Please cite one specific thing she has done in the Senate except to show up, collect a pay check and run for president.

LoafingOaf said...

You know what bothers me about much of what's going on at this Democratic Convention? Obama came to my state of Ohio and took a very anti-free trade position. I know for a fact that Hillary knows this is wrongheaded. I suspect that Obama knows it is, too (given that representatives of his campaign told Canada not to pay attention to what he was spewing to Ohio voters). And I for sure know Bill Clinton doesn't agree with this.

To me this is a major issue. And a moral issue. I think free markets and free trade lift many millions of people around the world out of the worst poverty. But the Democrats are acting like free trade is evil. And then Michelle Obama tells us that the Obama campaign represents those who desire the world as it "should be" as opposed to the world as "it is." The world as it SHOULD BE should embrace free markets and free trade MORE, if we truly care about the impoverished of the world.

I don't know if I should get into that in this thread, but it really bugs me.

Chip Ahoy said...

Refresh, CNTL F5 on a PC is COMMAND R on a Mac.

I provide this information as a public service for use on threads on pages requiring frequent refreshing.

That is all.

Theo Boehm said...

I'm going to ask my Obama-disliking, Hillary-loving co-worker I mentioned upthread what she thought of Hillary tonight. I think I'm going to get an earful of bitterness. This person also blames the Republicans for helping Obama, etc. You know that one.

Personally, I thought Hillary was terrific.

I'm not fond of any of the candidates, but there's nothing like seeing Hillary tonight and realizing the wrong people have been nominated to focus the mind.

vbspurs said...

CNN really down on her speech -- in terms of advancing Barack Obama's case.

She didn't mention his leadership abilities, at all, they say.

IMHO, the video preceeding her speech was almost a "Dear John" letter to Barack. She all but told him it's not working out, and she has to look out for her best interests first. She wanted to be the first something -- the first woman astronaut, the first woman President.

But first.

Second-place is not good enough for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

So nice to have met you, Barack, but I'm going to do my own thing from now on.

Seven Machos said...

Peter -- That's a very valid criticism of Clinton. However, you are conflating achievement with qualification. I think her resume is pretty solid in terms of experience. Unlike, say, Obama.

All of this said, the Republicans would have to put up a really, really sorry candidate for me to even consider voting for Hillary Clinton.

AJ Lynch said...

Carly said:

"Way to give a rousing speech "endorsing" a candidate without ever saying anything actually about him"

Carly what would you say about less than one-term senator, state legislator who tends to vote "present" and one-time community organizer? Should Hillary have just made stuff up?

Seven Machos said...

I didn't see the part about Hillary wanting to be the first. However, she needs to quit crying. She was the first First Lady that had her husband beat off in the sink in the Oval Office. That's impressive.

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