December 14, 2006

Oh, and...

I know we adopt a casual, conversational tone in the blogosphere, but can we please stop beginning sentences with the words "Oh, and"? It's like some kind of disease lately. Stop, already!

44 comments:

Daryl Herbert said...

Um, why do you bring this up now? Everyone knows you're not supposed to put, err, sound fx in your posts (duh).

Pffft. What a waste of time--who, like, doesn't know how annoying that is?

TW: mdngr (the first racist Turing Word ever? I choose to believe that it's short for "humdinger"?)

Pogo said...

Dang. I've never said it before, but now I am consumed by the desire to do so.

Am I to be cursed by my inner sixth-graderliness forever?

Mike said...

Like, Wow!

SteveR said...

Can we add "swarmy" and "snarky"? Stop, already!

Anonymous said...

Ah. Well. Hmm.

AllenS said...

Oh kay, Professor. How shall we express our surprise, then?

Bissage said...

My recent search of Blogger.com for "Oh, and" got 1,297,094 results.

The first one was Althouse.

That doesn't seem fair at all now does it!

David53 said...

I vote we also ban the use of "strawman" and "ad hominem." For some reason they really irk me.

JimK said...

Dude, like, what the frick would I type if I didn't use stupid text tricks like "Oh, and" and "But, like..." and my Favorite. Thing. EVER., doing the whole thing where you capitalize words and put periods in between the words and make it seem like the thing is the bestest thing EVARZ!!!111one LOLZ. w00t!

Woah. I degenerated into leetspeak. OK, I think I see Althouse's point here.

Oh, and bunnies are cute and fluffy. Think about bunny butts. Picture one right now. You're welcome. :)

Paddy O. said...

Actually, I can't stand it when people begin their smarmy, snarky corrections with the word actually.

Just say it without the preface!

Rowena Hullfire said...

Point taken. Sentences without verbs. Incomplete sentences. Just my lastest sin. Oh, and dangling participles. That is something up with which I shall not put.

vw: gpeppm
(parts per million of...what's gpe?)

Anonymous said...

IM IN UR COMENTZ PWNING UR GRAMMERZ

No comment from the KOSnoscenti is complete unless it ends with:

Sad.

Rowena Hullfire said...

Oh, and our fearless blogger Mizz Ann herself used "Oh, and" in her posts nine whole times, seven in 2006 and two in 2005!

She uses "Oh" 219 times in her blog posts.

Just a Tad. Too. Conversational.

Heh.

Bissage said...

God, I do declare there are times when I love this site beyond all sensible proportion!

Alan said...

Oh and if you haven't been following the intriguing "Litter Robot" topic over at Instapundit...I actually bought one....Oh and guess what?!....it shipped today from....(wait for it)......Madison Wisconsin! How 'bout that!

I wonder if it'll smell like cheese?...

Anonymous said...

Can we also add "oh by the way" and "just happens to be" to the list? They are often used to preface the real point the author is trying to make. I find them both annoying.

"We'll tell them that they are not in compliance, and oh by the way, we have a consulting department that helps with exactly that kind of problem".

Bleh. It just plain bugs me and I hear it all the time.

"It's the heroic story of a female gymnast who just happens to be an Iraqi lesbian".

In this usage, the subject never "just happens to be" whatever the antecedent says. Would they be telling the story if it where about a middle class white gymnast from Minnesota? No, so don't pretend it's a side note to the story.

Daryl Herbert said...

I vote we also ban the use of "strawman" and "ad hominem." For some reason they really irk me.

Of course david53 would want us to get rid of all debate terminology: the man's arguments never stand up to scrutiny.

To expunge such terms would be to allow practitioners of strawmanry and inflicters of ad hominem abuse to engage in their craft without reproach. Disaster awaits should we spurn meta-analysis of exchanges of wit taking place on the Internets (un-serious tubes).

michilines said...

bait, anyone?

Anon Y. Mous said...

! 'Kay!

michilines said...

anonyMouse you should have said Oh.

Tibore said...

You know (ooops! Will that phrase too be verboten??), we of the chronically informal need to stand up against the forces of perfect, formal grammar. Those authors have their own medium; it's called paper. We of the carpal-tunneled digits and RSI wrists have need to stand up for our style, for today it's "informalities" they ban, but tomorrow, what will be next? Will they come after our acronyms? Our leetspeek abbreviations? Will the slippery slope lead us away from LOL and ROTFL? Will it become impossible to be AFK, as our free time must now be spent typing in those extra letters? Will I never be able to BRB, as I will never leave in the first place, continually proofreading my prose instead of mindlessly punching it straight in, one draft, damn the typos, as God intended us to interact with the internet?

IMHO, we must stand for our rights to shrtn as mch as pssble, else web socialization will become real work.

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Okay, joke's over. In all seriousness, I also get annoyed by "Oh, and" preliminaries. In arguments - the omnipresent form of human interaction on the internet - saying "Oh, and" just comes off as blatantly condescending. "Oh, and your politics make you stupid"... "Oh, and only an idiot would believe what you do"... "Oh, and (fill-in-the-insult-blank)"...

Yes. That needs to stop. Drives me bonkers.

michilines said...

You don't get the inside joke.

Palladian said...

Indeed.

Palladian said...

I really hate blog comments that begin with "Um," or "Uh," because you know it's going to be followed by a paragraph of sarcastic know-it-all shittiness. Our own Doyle the Angry Blue Boil is a master of the form.

Of course, now I'm wondering if I've ever begun a comment with "Um"...

Anonymous said...

One of my least favorite lines is:

"To tell the truth..."

My first thought on hearing it is always, "Oh! You were lying before. I see."

Mack said...

My recent annoyance: the phrase "gets it about right," as in "BloggerX gets it about right when he suggests global warming is the ace in Al Gore's deck if he wants to establish himself as the anti-Hillary."

I probably hate most things that establish themselves as blogger lingo, though.

Christy said...

I wonder if annoyance at casual speak (which I frequently find charming) is a function of whether or not the reader hears all the words in her head? I know some people do not hear the words. Does it affect the style of writing one enjoys? Does reading all day for info, as I assume all you lawyer types do, simply render any extraneous words annoying?

Mack said...

On further contemplation... the concept of "riffing" on a topic also really bugs the hell out of me, though I'm probably just being unreasonable.

J. Peden said...

Right. Heh.

omg, paddy o, wtf??

Theo Boehm said...

Indeed.

Derve said...

Indeed! Heh.

Pogo said...

I'd like to ban the "word" verification on blogger, not because it's cumbersome and sometimes impossible to read (which it can be), but because I'd prefer a method that judges the quality of my proposed post and offers the following queries:

1. This makes you look like an idiot. Post anyway?
2. Contains a logical fallacy. Post anyway?
3. Already been said. Better. Post anyway?
4. Off topic. Post anyway?
5. Stalking. Post anyway?
6. Don't you have work to do? Post anyway?
7. That's not supposed to be funny, is it? Well, it's not. Sorry. Post anyway?
8. Eleven on the offensive scale. Post anyway?
9. You've become a caricature of yourself. Post anyway?
10. God, you're an idiot. Post anyway?

Mike said...

Thank you, Pogo. Good way to start the morning.

Anonymous said...

Palladian, my friend. One word. Magnificent.

Me, I woulda wrote that someone is looking in the mirror and seeing Audrey Hepburn when it's really Bea Arthur in there; but you just wrote "indeed."

The internet is full, I think. It needs a courtesy flush.

Anonymous said...

Palladian, my friend. Only used one word. Magnificent.

Me, I woulda wrote that someone is looking in the mirror and seeing Audrey Hepburn when it's really Bea Arthur in there; but you just wrote "indeed."

The internet is full, I think. It needs a courtesy flush.

Henry said...

Thank you Pogo. And Palladian.

How does she do? She's the divine enzyme.

As for myself, I prefer the O, as in:

O, verily...

Ed said...

Does reading all day for info, as I assume all you lawyer types do, simply render any extraneous words annoying?

Christy, lawyers love extraneous words. Extraneous words drive the demand for their profession. They have such an affinity for extraneous words that the language they use can no longer be called English - instead, they speak and write in Legalese.

Our gracious hostess is of course the exception.

dearieme said...

2B sure, 2B sure. O & top of the morning 2 U.

Serenity Now said...

So, what about blog posts that begin with "So, ..."?

reader_iam said...

She would write 8 or 10 words, then draw her gun and shoot them down.”
--E.B. White

Daryl Herbert said...

lawyers love extraneous words

Actually, it's a love-hate relationship.

To begin with, lawyers must be careful how things are phrased. Get a few words wrong, and your contract could be invalid (or it could mean something bad for your client). If you don't explain your argument well in a brief, you're likely to lose. So if making it 20% longer adds 10% more clarity, it's often worth it.

On the other hand, there are page limits. You have to fit all of your important points into some tiny space like a meager 25 pages. For a complicated issue involving disputed facts and argument over what the law is, 25 pages fills up very quickly.

So lawyers have to learn to write concise sentences that get to the point but are nonetheless clear. Good lawyers are actually really good writers, not in terms of banging out a novel, or captivating you with a blog post, but in terms of not wasting your time when it's something you want to get through quickly, and increasing understanding when you are confused on a subject.

Someone who respects the audience does not want to waste the audience's time. A lot of people do enjoy being in the spotlight, which is why they talk too damn much. We serve alcohol at parties so when these people do start talking, we can scream at them, "you're drunk," and then they have to sit down.

I try to write like that in general in all aspects of my life (I put in varying degrees of effort in composing blog comments). It's worth striving for.

hdhouse said...

ohhh gee oohhhh pee

happy ann?

i wonder how many con law lectures start "ohhhhh class come to order"

Anonymous said...

I see that someone has said something about me here.

Look, honey, I'm not Audrey Hepburn, but I'm not chopped liver, either. What's with that crack?

Mr. Cottage, isn't it? I knew some cheese by that name.

You'd think someone in the furniture business would know better than to piss off customers. I had an uncle who sold furniture. He went broke, too. Kept telling people this or that color upholstery made them look years younger. He was supposed to sell a couch, not a goddam fountain of youth. I've looked at your catalog. Not bad. One of those tables next to my bed won't make anyone want to hop in now, but it might be a good place to put all the pictures of those who have. On the other hand, it doesn't look like you make any tables big enough.

Oh, and Audrey Hepburn's dead.

Anonymous said...

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