October 28, 2006

"I commend Oprah Winfrey for the very fair and balanced treatment she gave O'Reilly..."

Says Lorie Byrd.

I saw the show (only because I hastily set up a season pass for "Oprah" so I wouldn't miss... Madonna!). It was extremely well-done, with strong participation from audience members. Oprah was gracious to Bill O'Reilly, but still asked hard questions. O'Reilly complimented her for being nice while doing a show with someone she clearly disagrees with. Not like that jerk David Letterman who -- here's the clip -- went on and on about how O'Reilly wouldn't bow down to the moral superiority of Cindy Sheehan.

Oprah's website has lots of coverage of the show:
In his latest number one bestseller, Culture Warrior, Bill warns that America is in the midst of what he calls a vicious culture war between two factions.

Oprah: What is the war?

Bill: The war is between traditionalists like me, and I believe you, too, by the way, who think the country is noble. America's a noble nation.
I like the slickly inclusionary "I believe you, too."

Here's a good example of O'Reilly in full-out stream-of-consciousness mode -- with Oprah getting in one exquisitely specific line:
Bill: You know, we have our military fighting for our country overseas. We at home have to fight for our country. Do you want to be Denmark? Do you want to be Holland? That's what the S-Ps [secular-progressives] want. Anything goes: euthanasia, legalized narcotics, unfettered abortion, on and on and on and on. Look, when you and I were growing up, what kind of music did we listen to?

Oprah: I listened to The Temptations. …

Bill: What are the kids listening to now? Ho's. Glocks. Drugs. We've come a long way, haven't we? … These are the kids at 9, 10 …They know all about it. There's no more Temptations. They're obsolete. How about movies? What did we go to see? We went to see The Blob. Steve McQueen running around going, "There's the blob." We had a lot of laughs. Popcorn. Now they have a chainsaw guy cutting off people's arms. That's what kids are seeing. Oh, we've come a long way, haven't we? This country is under siege.
Oh, no! There's the blob!

ADDED: I'm just checking out the Letterman appearance. Before bringing out O'Reilly, Letterman had a chat with Paul:
It occurred to me: I know very little about anything. I mean, it's not like you have to have a license to run one of these shows. But then when a guy like Bill O'Reilly comes on... I ... I believe he probably doesn't know what he's talking about either. So.. it's just... when you get right down to it, it's a couple of dumb guys out here... just yakkin'.
AND: Dave was prickly but O'Reilly did a good job of going back to humor and Dave would come back too. They kept taking breaks to say they really are good friends, but you could also see Dave -- like a lot of people -- is quite upset about the war. It's appropriate to show real anger there. It's a war. It's no joke. I thought the two of them did a decent job. I liked when Dave said he hadn't read the book, but "What's it about? Sailing?" (You have to see the jacket photo to get the laugh.)

(I note that the show I'm watching from last night is not the same one O'Reilly was talking about on "Oprah," shown in the linked clip.)

49 comments:

Ron said...

Will someone inform O'Reilly that the movies with the chain saws were made by those benighted souls who watched Steve McQueen chase The Blob!

Director: "...and thank goodness we don't have to do that nonsense anymore. Hey! Put a little more blood on that stump!"

AllenS said...

The blob never scared me. Godzilla, now that's a different story. Thank God, for the brave Japanese.

Fenrisulven said...

I still think he's s a blowhard, but it was nice to see how "normal" he can be when he's not playing his game on FOX.

Ross said...

O'Reilly is the only talker I can stand to listen to on my local AM station, but his "secular-progressive" schtick annoys me.

As someone who is secular but not particularly progressive, I just think he has the diagnosis wrong.

Denmark is a lovely place, and legalized narcotics and unfettered abortion are just fine with me -- not because I'd take advantage of either, but because it's none of the goverment's dad-gummed business.

However, what does that have to do with the dreck churned out by the entertainment-industrial complex? I mean, Roe v. Wade and "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" both date to 1973.

Freder Frederson said...

Oprah asked hard questions? Did she point out that during Bill's idyllic youth when he was watching the blob and everything was so innocent blacks in the south were regularly being lynched and probably weren't even allowed into the theaters that were showing The Blob?

O'Reilly makes shit up and when he is called on it he tells his guests to shut up. When he goes on someone else's show where he doesn't control the microphone and they call him on it he acts like a five year old and then goes back on his own show and complains about how mean they were to him. Then all his fans say he was treated unfairly. And of course The Paris Business Daily will print another fawning article about what an impact Bill O'Reilly has on the economy of France (When O'Reilly was threatening to boycott Canada he fabricated a bogus report in a bogus French business publication to "show" how his call for a boycott of French products succeeded.)

O'Reilly is nothing but a deranged bully. I don't know why Oprah would even give him the time of day. Letterman obviously only has him on to mock him, which he deserves. One day O'Reilly will figure that out.

David said...

Ross and Freder;

You say it isn't the governments business? That it is fine with you that life is cheapened and the results of unrestricted behavior kills innocents?

Consider the following partial list;

1. Motorcycle helmet laws;
2. drunk driving;
3. rape and murder of children;
4. abortion/capital punishment
5. drug use;
6. fales moral equivalence comparisons;
7. gay marriage;
8. social security;
9. health and welfare;
10. law enforcement;
11. standing military;

and the list goes on. What do they have in common? People want government to recognize, sanction, and support their actions, no matter how destructive.

I think you need to rethink your comment on what is and is not the governments "dad-gummed business" and the fact that we have learned from mistakes in our history as a democracy.

Freder, you speak from the perspective of a victocrat who wants all the advantages of big government and none of the responsibilities to be held accountable for your actions!

You might believe you can have it both ways but don't expect the rest of us to pay you for the experience!

Palladian said...
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Palladian said...

Freder Frederson makes shit up and when he is called on it he tells his guests to shut up. When he goes on someone else's blog where he doesn't control the microphone and they call him on it he acts like a five year old...

Frederson is nothing but a deranged bully. I don't know why Althouse would even give him the time of day. Ann obviously only has him on to mock him, which he deserves. One day Frederson will figure that out.

Anyway!... It's fitting that the billionaire misery vampire interviewed the angry talking cudgel (and former "Inside Edition" host). They're quite similar, actually. They both take advantage of their audience's ignorance and neuroses for financial gain. They should do a show together, like Regis and Kelly. Bill could scream at guests and make them cry and then Oprah could get them to talk about it while the tears are still wet.

Joe said...

I am not a fan of O'Reilly, but I could not sit through the Letterman interview. Here is Dave, who makes a living out of being a self-proclaimed moron, pontificating on matters of national security. Nice lefty dogma but simply idiotic to anyone who is paying attention.

Max Klein said...

The myth of a cultural war is so tiresome. While clowns like O'Reilly make these broad, sweeping claims, the average person in America--left or right--lives the quiet, dignified of a decent, law-abiding citizen. I would no doubt fit O'Reilly's specious "S-P" definition because I live in a blue state, vote Democratic, and attend a liberal church. Meanwhile, I have been married to the same woman for over 20 years, I teach Sunday school and coach sports, my children are active in their church group, and I contribute my time and money to a number of civic and charitable causes. And I am nothing special--there are millions of people out there just like me on both sides of the aisle. I think it is time we recognized our common good traits and rejected the loud, irrational voices on both sides who work so hard to divide us.

Palladian said...

I agree with Max.

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David said...

MAX;

In the meantime we can't say Merry Christmas or display the Ten Commandments in public even though we still use "In God We Trust" as a defining slogan.

I presume you teach under the banner of a western religion. It should bother you that your religion may be fair game for muslims and secularists but you can't engage in the same 'fair game' against the very same muslims and secularists because you may offend their sensitivity!

CAIR would/will have you teach the opposing view of Islam in your sunday school class if they have their way! In case you have forgotten, you are an apostate, and infidel, or an unbeliever.

There is a fatwa against you right now if some horny, deranged jihadist decides he wants to claim his 72 brown-eyed virgins at your expense!

Get with the program!

Garage Mahal said...

I am not a fan of O'Reilly, but I could not sit through the Letterman interview. Here is Dave, who makes a living out of being a self-proclaimed moron, pontificating on matters of national security. Nice lefty dogma but simply idiotic to anyone who is paying attention.

What are O'Reilly's qualifications on national security matters?

Zero.

What are O'Reilly's qualifications for anything for that matter. I find incredibly ironic he lectures us every night about moral values --after he paid 10 million bucks to a subordinate employee that was about to go public with phone recordings of O'Reilly's sexual fantasies with her.

Next up on The Factor - Toe suck prostitute hiring Dick Morris!

Sydney Carton said...

"The myth of a cultural war is so tiresome."

Riiiiiiiiiiight. And when Catholic Charities is forced to end adoptions because they only refer gay couples to other services instead of their own, and when they're forced to provide contraception and abortificent drugs in their health plans, and when the Boy Scouts are sued because they don't want to associate with gays.... is that all part of the "myth" of the culture war?

Do you think it should be illegal for anyone who has the power to perform a marriage service to refuse to perform that service to gays?

Do you think it should be permitted for a teenage girl to have major surgery - an abortion - without her parents' knowledge or consent?

Why should it be ok for a school guidance counselor to hand out contraception to a teenager? Should that activity be permitted only with parental consent?

"Myth" of the culture war indeed.

luagha said...

Having just read O'Reilly's recent book:

Max, that is why O'Reilly would call you a traditionalist, and would urge you to understand what those he calls the 'secular progressives' are up to.

It's specifically not republican-democrat.

But to use examples from your own post, in a 'secular progressive' world you would instead have a list of 'required' charities that you would have to devote your time to, or pay a fine from your government-designated salary. Your church would be denigrated if not eventually outlawed, and your children would be required to go to a school where the textbooks had examples in them of routine divorce, multiple partner marriages and 'social arrangements' and all kinds of 'mandated diversity.'

David said...

Dave;

Your lack of intelligence is manifest in your limited vocabulary! Reducing the dialogue to execrable comparisons is beneath you and an insult to the rest of us!

If you are trying to shock us into submission, forget it! the only thing you accomplish is to not be taken seriously.

That should come as no shock to you as I am certain you are used to being taken with a grain of salt! I find your use of language repugnant and not fit for mixed company!

Mr. Forward said...

"Here is Dave, who makes a living out of being a self-proclaimed moron,..."

Different Dave referenced but a possible career path nevertheless.

Freder Frederson said...

and the list goes on. What do they have in common?

I give up. What do motorcycle helmet laws, "false moral equivalence" (whatever the heck that is), and a standing military have in common? Or with O'Reilly and Oprah for that matter. I am completely baffled by your list.

Joe said...

GMahal, O'Reilly's qualifications have nothing to do with it, the substance of their positions is what I was talking about. Something you did not address either, instead attacking him personally. But if you want to talk about qualifications, O'Reilly is qualified by the fact that he has become enormously successful opining on current events in a free market of ideas. Letterman makes a living as a clown. And he isn't even funny.

David said...

People who don't wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle run the very real risk of being in an accident, bouncing their head off the pavement or curb and living out their lives as a vegetable at societies expense. The government bails them out for their hair-in-the-breeze version of ride free or die. Sometimes you don't die!

The same with the police and military. Nobody likes getting a ticket for speeding or having the skyline of a city rearranged. We call out the dogs-of-war when we get attacked by the bad guys and then complain about their response time or tactics after the bad guys are arrested or run off.

There is no moral equivalence between terrorists (so-called freedom fighters like the thug Che Guevarra, Taliban, Islamic terrorists) and the police/military. The terrorists hide behind civilians, wear civilian clothes and bait the military to take them out with maximum collateral damage. Our military takes casualties to save lives only to have their sacrifice used against them as their body count rises.

We all have our faults and skeleton laden closets. At least O'Reilly correctly identifies the good and evil. Oprah and Letterman seem to have difficulty with enemy recognition as do you!

Who speaks for the dead and dying in Darfur, Hussein's Iraq, North Korea, China, Russia, Mexico, etc.?
Who speaks for the innocent people killed by drunks or the rapist/murderers (Tookie Williams) who can count on the idiots among us who try to save them with no thought to their victims?

I suggest you google Kittie Genovese as her dying screams fell on 38 of her neighbors who closed their windows and turned up their TV.

Fenrisulven said...

The myth of a cultural war is so tiresome.

No, culture "warriors" who boo boy scouts is tiresome. There's more. Should we make a list?

Garage Mahal said...

We all have our faults and skeleton laden closets. At least O'Reilly correctly identifies the good and evil. Oprah and Letterman seem to have difficulty with enemy recognition as do you!

Yes Dave, O'Reilly correctly points out who the real enemies are. By and large, other Americans. And is it no surprise who he tells us is the "enemy", just so happen to be exactly the ones who take him to task, and ridicule him the most often? If he is "really looking out for me" - why do I give a shit about all these incessant gossipy catfights with Clooney, Ludacris, O'Donnell, Soros, Media Matters -- and basically anyone that's pissing him off at the time?

It's nothing more than one-hour of unabashed wingnuttery, cloaked in an independant-truth-seeking-looking-out-for-you sermon -- ripe with nightly McCarthy-esque paranoid theories about -- (that just so happen to be) left of center groups, finacieers, actors, lawyers, "shadowy" websites, op-ed columnists, tv personalities, and on and on. So basically any-thing, or anyone that is left wing, that either have too much money, or too much power in his view.

He is a polished, slightly better looking, (albeit talented) David Horowitz. Nothing more. Nothing less.

George said...

Oprah, O'Reilly, Madonna, Kim Jong Il. They're all scary narcissists. Below is from the DSM-IV:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
(4) requires excessive admiration
(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Fenrisulven said...

And is it no surprise who he tells us is the "enemy", just so happen to be exactly the ones who take him to task, and ridicule him the most often?

No, he qualifies his statement - its not everyone on the Left.

But the Anti-Americans DO exist amoung the left. Thats hardly "McCarthy-esque paranoia".

BTW, McCarthy was right. You might not want to use him to make your point.

Fenrisulven said...

A pervasive pattern.. attitudes

I'm nodding in agreement with your points, like I said: I still think he's a blowhard. But I'm seeing something else - you may be confusing the man with his on-air personality [same with Rush]. Try to put that aside and address his actual arguments...

Garage Mahal said...

BTW, McCarthy was right. You might not want to use him to make your point.

"Macht alle kaputt."

Fenrisulven said...

Bravely ran away.
When logic raised its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled..

Cedarford said...

Ross - his "secular-progressive" schtick annoys me.

How about???? - "A well-organized cabal of Leftist, wealthy Jews and Gentiles who don't believe in God. And are using behind the scenes manipulations to bypass the American people and reshape America into something entirely different, via the institutions they still own or control and an activist judiciary."

That sound better?

David Horowitz has done some good work in describing the Network of Secular Progressives. How the people bounce between the ACLU, Ford Foundation, working for Soros. How the lawyers move in their own little Ruling Elite sphere between academia, the media, the judiciary, and gathering the money from other secular progressives or straight from the masses unwittingly via Foundations or NGOs in Leftist hands to attack Christianity or Western institutions. Mainly by using the threat and intimidation of lawsuits backed by the deep pockets of secular progressive moguls.

O'Reilly does have irritating labels, (he thinks "Name, rank, and Jihad number is the pinnacle of his incisive wit), but secular progressive is about the least offensive thing you can call the people and the network O'Reilly is referring to.

And O'Reilly also got on Letterman the same day and tried his usual schtick and I think Letterman - who I don't ally with politically - got the best of O'Reilly. One specially good moment was O'Reilly trying to make his position the "White" side, and simplify opposing veiws and "The Dark side" and demand that Letterman agree or disagree on those terms. Letterman said he couldn't. O'Reilly took the bait and demanded a "Yes! or No!" out of Letterman and asked by he wouldn't take one of O'Reilly's constructed choices - his, or the strawman...Letterman answered he couldn't answer because he was a thoughtful man and thinking moves him past O'Reillys "choices".
A good lesson. Something Hannity, who is stupid, unlike O'Reilly, should start factoring in when he gets into his "Yes or No!" inquisitor mode and his "victims" should come back with.
On those talk shows, I hate the "Yes or No!!" faux confrontation rhetorical device almost as much as I hate the person or pol that refuses to give any effort at a straight answer and brainlessly regurgitates up the daily Party talking points and smugly smiles if they get it all vomited out before being cut off...
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Max - The myth of a cultural war is so tiresome.

Not as tiresome as Lefties who think the American people are so stupid that they fail to observe the war for the gay agenda, against Christianity & Boy Scouts. Or the onerous demands of compliance with matters they never were allowed to vote on - affirmative action, feminist agenda, Open Borders, transnational laws, politically correct codes at work and in state agencies, abortion on demand.

Fenrisulven - But the Anti-Americans DO exist amoung the left. Thats hardly "McCarthy-esque paranoia".

BTW, McCarthy was right. You might not want to use him to make your point.


Agreed. Decades of work to rehabilitate American communists was wrecked when the Soviet Union fell, the KGB files were opened. The files showed McCarthy, Nixon, and many patriotic Democrats of that era were dead right about the Soviet fronts in Hollywood, State Department, academia. Hiss was a spy. The Rosenbergs were guilty as sin.

Nor was Mccarthyism anti-Semetic. Jews were disproportionately involved in working for the Soviets - and old Soviet spymasters involved in the A-Bomb ring and other busted rings of the 50s confirmed that they considered the heavy involvement of Jews with communism a big recruiting plus in the 30s and 40s - for them for use in spying and in manipulating media organs to put out pro-Soviet propaganda...Which is why Stalin pretty much got a free pass in Hollywood, American unions, the ACLU, and in papers like the NY Times until "McCarthy".

When McCarthyism rounded up the Commies, it was unsurprising that a large percentage were Jews..who were not singled out for being Jews, but for being Communists.

Amazingly, the Left was able to use McCarthyism to convince uninvolved Jews that Republicans were out to get them..and the only safe place for Jews was in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Before the late 1940s, Jews split their vote between Dems and Republicans.

Garage Mahal said...

Fenris -

The stars do seem to align together under O'Reilly, Coulter, and McCarthy.

One lied to advance totalitarian forces in Europe against American interests, and also lobbied to commute death sentences to Nazi war criminals that massacred 84 American POW's

One lied that it was the *Americans* who massacred German POW's in said atrocity

One is just dreamy about the other two.

Fenrisulven said...

One lied to advance totalitarian forces in Europe against American interests

I think you mean Kennedy - recently discovered to have been feeding the Soviets info to undercut Reagan's efforts during the Cold War.

Maxine Weiss said...

If you really want to see how brilliant O'Reilly is, go to the transcript of him facing off with Bill Maher.

O'Reilly trounces Maher.

Bill Maher's kind of a lightweight anyway, just a comic, but falls apart when confronted ....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216041,00.html

Peace, Maxine

Ross said...

OK, but whether you believe in this atheist cabal or not, what is the connection between, say, George Soros and Ludacris? Besides the fact that Bill O'Reilly doesn't like either one of them, I mean.

Freder Frederson said...

David Horowitz has done some good work in describing the Network of Secular Progressives. How the people bounce between the ACLU, Ford Foundation, working for Soros. How the lawyers move in their own little Ruling Elite sphere between academia, the media, the judiciary, and gathering the money from other secular progressives or straight from the masses unwittingly via Foundations or NGOs in Leftist hands to attack Christianity or Western institutions.

Man, you're on to us. Guess I'll have to cancel the meeting/baby sacrifice/motza baking (with babies blood of course)/orgy I had planned for Halloween.

You would think with this great conspiracy we have going, we could manage to win an election every once in awhile or actually advance our socialist agenda. But no, through the tireless efforts of people like Bill O'Reilly our plots are foiled once again.

Cedarford said...

Ross -

Folks like Ludacris are backed by the studios, marketing and distribution channels of the music Moguls, who also offer their gangstas an entree` into mass media TV and Hollywood productions in return for a hefty agent's cut.

The same Moguls, now 100s of millions richer annually thanks to gangsta rap, feed a part of that into the ACLU and other secular humanist legal Fronts, and organizational Fronts like the NGOs under their control, and of course Soro's Open Society...

Soros, in turn, employs not only the past two leaders who ran the ACLU for 40 years and set up Human Rights Watch (Neier and Glassman), but helps coordinate the Network's litigation arm - fueled by billionaire Moguls funding of the lawsuits and attendent legal intimidation that ensure their clients like Ludacris and others are free to pump their poison unfettered into every corner of America.

Their money fuels the Left wing of the Democratic Party.

Worse, their human rights lawyers control whole branches of the UN in keeping with the Transnational objectives of the Network, and seek to internationalize the worst of American cultural products, while binding US citizens to "international law" and "UN conventions that limit their Constitutional national rights that infringe on global rights."

The Network Horowitz describes is fanatically anti-Christian, it is enormously powerful, backed by not only the institutions the Network directly controls, but draws on others outside the Network that share secular progressive goals like the Ford Foundation..It is wrong to see Soros running the show. He's just a key player. It is set up like a Politburo, and is characterized by the smooth interactions of people that regularly move between branches of the Network and regular consultation with their wealthy benefactors.

Cedarford said...

Freder Frederickson -

The passive-aggressive technique of claiming to be a victim solely for the purpose of sneering at others and denying the obvious wins no friends.

Nor do your insinuations of anti-Semitism make your argument any more credible against Horowitz and O'Reilly and others that are fighting back in the culture wars.

The 1st rule of war-fighting is to know and understand your enemy. Otherwise, you have little chance of beating them.

With the Culture War now out in the open with gay marriage initiatives and anti-Christian measures on dozens of state litigation dockets - protestations of "Who us?" or allegations of silly paranoia don't cut it anymore.

Palladian said...

Where does the Trilateral Commission fit into all this, Cedarford? The Illuminati? The Masons?

Fenrisulven said...

Soros funded MoveOn just got busted peddling anti-jew propaganda. Keep looking the other way...

ShadowFox said...

David,
Using the word "secularist" makes you sound stupid, because you pretend to make an argument when all you do is whine about people who don't take religion seriously.

In the meantime we can't say Merry Christmas or display the Ten Commandments in public even though we still use "In God We Trust" as a defining slogan.

This makes no sense--largely because the first part is not true. No one is stopping you from using "Merry Christmas" or the Ten Commandments in public. You are not the government. If you were, there is a very simple reason why it is unconstitutional to do so.

I guess, I am one of those "librulz" who believe that the annoying addition of God to the pledge of allegiance should be removed and the statement should be restored to its original state. I don't really care much for the slogan on currency. It bothers me, but not enough to have it removed.

But, David, do remember that the USA is NOT a Christian nation. The US was the first state to ban religious test for office (and only second to ban religious test for citizen participation, following the Dutch Republic). Jefferson and Madison were ardent opponents of letting the government get into the business of organized religion--for the protection of both the government AND religion. If you feel otherwise, perhaps you'd feel better if you were surrounded by people who take religion more seriously. Would the Taliban be OK?

Derve said...
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Ann Althouse said...

Derve: I need you to stop posting and find something else to do with your time. I will delete all your posts. If you adopt a new pseudonym, I will continue to delete you.

Freder Frederson said...

The passive-aggressive technique of claiming to be a victim solely for the purpose of sneering at others and denying the obvious wins no friends.

I was not being passive-aggressive, I was being sarcastic. I wasn't claiming to be a victim, but rather part of the grand conspiracy you are so afraid of that wants to convert your children to homosexuals and force all churches to perform homosexual marriages.

Your (and Horowitz's and O'Reilly's) paranoid delusions of vast conspiracies to undermine the culture are just ridiculous. O'Reilly is a particularly poor standard bearer to lead the fight, even if there was a real enemy out there, considering his alleged harrassment of his subordinates. Mr. Loofah man apparently not only loves writing cheap porn, but he apparently subjects his female producers to it during harassing phone calls.

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Fenrisulven said...

Derve, throwing a temper tantrum is ill-advised. If you're hot about something, go outside for a walk in the sunshine and fresh air. We are guests here.

The Jerk said...

And here i thought the Jon Birch society was defunct. Hey McCarthy fans, please provide a link to the list of 57 or 205 people in the state department known to the sec. of state to be Communists.

Garage Mahal said...

Fenrisulven said...
Soros funded MoveOn just got busted peddling anti-jew propaganda. Keep looking the other way...


Fenris, I'm not sure where your source material is coming from, but I noticed you never cite any, after you drop the most hellacious bombs.

Just cuz you're paranoid, it doesn't mean George Soros is always out to get you.

Maureen said...

Ignoring most of the issues discussed in the comments, all I can say is I think it's telling that one of the countries O'Reilly lambasts as an out-of-control, "anything goes," Sodom or Gomorrah, The Netherlands, (or, in O'Reilly-speak, "Holland," which does indeed have the most liberal abortion laws in Europe) in fact has the second lowest abortion rates on the continent (behind Ireland). Those rates aremuch lower than American abortion rates, and the Netherlands also has lower rates of teen pregnancy and STDs than the U.S.

Fenrisulven said...

Fenris, I'm not sure where your source material is coming from, but I noticed you never cite any, after you drop the most hellacious bombs.

No, I do often cite source material. I just read the articles on Soros and MoveOn Jew bashing a few days ago and didn't think to save the link. I can hunt it down for you if you really need it. Or you can go to Moveon - it about jew bashing on their forums, about their moderators insisting they screen every comment twice.